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Couple Lives In $1.3 Million, 4,900 Square Foot Home For Five Years Without Making A Single Mortgage Payment

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Wonder how Americans can afford to buy millions of iGadgets, a second LCD TV for the shoe closet, and eat at restaurants more than almost any time in the past despite sliding personal income? Simple - increasingly fewer pay the biggest staple bill in a US household: their mortgage. The following story of Keith And Janet Ritter, who have lived in their Fort Washington, MD $1.29MM, 4,900 square foot McMansion for 5 years (which they purchase with no money down) without ever making a single mortgage payment, and who are not even close to being evicted, may explain much about the way US society currently operates, and why other perfectly responsible and hard-working taxpayers (who do have to pay for their mortgage) continue to fund tens of billions in Fannie and Freddie losses who are first on the hook to absorb the implicit losses by allowing families such as the Ritters to live in perpetuity without paying, and the banks to keep said mortgage on the books at par without any impairments.

The Washington Post has more on this absolute horror story of a case study of just how busted the USSA has become:

The eviction from their million-dollar home could come at any moment. Keith and Janet Ritter have been bracing for it — and battling against it — almost from the moment they moved into the five-bedroom, 4,900-square-foot manse along the Potomac River in Fort Washington.

 

In five years, they have never made a mortgage payment, a fact that amazes even the most seasoned veterans of the foreclosure crisis.

 

The Ritters have kept the sheriff at bay by repeatedly filing for bankruptcy and by exploiting changes in Maryland’s laws designed to help delinquent homeowners avoid foreclosure.

 

Those efforts to protect homeowners have transformed Maryland’s foreclosure process from one of the country’s shortest to one of the longest. It now takes on average 634 days to complete a foreclosure in Maryland, compared with 132 days in Virginia.

 

“The market won’t fix itself,” said Anne Norton, Maryland’s deputy commissioner for financial regulations. “By the time it does, how many homeowners will be churned up and spit out by the machine?”

 

Critics, including economists and lenders, blame the state’s go-slow approach for a growing backlog of foreclosures and a weak-to-nonexistent recovery in home prices. To them, the system puts too much emphasis on helping individual homeowners and not enough on quickly clearing the market of foreclosures so prices can rebound and hard-hit communities can recover. And they say it also creates opportunities for abuse by those determined to drag the process out for as long as possible.

 

“How is it people can stay in a house for five years without ever making a mortgage payment?” said Thomas A. Lawler, a former senior vice president at Fannie Mae who now runs his own consulting firm in Loudoun County. “That’s a screwed-up process. It’s an example of how the process is broken.”

 

The Ritters, who bought their house for $1.29 million with almost no money down, are hardly representative of the vast majority of Maryland’s distressed homeowners.

 

During the boom, they set out to become mini real estate moguls, buying properties and flipping them for a profit. In the process, Keith Ritter, 54, went from being on probation for bankruptcy fraud and making minimum wage to being a successful real estate investor and landlord with a six-figure income. Then, when the housing market tanked five years ago, the couple found themselves facing multiple foreclosures.

 

The Ritters have tried to negotiate different payment arrangements with their lender to save their posh home near National Harbor, they said, but to no avail.

 

“It was never our intention to get here and never make a mortgage payment,” Keith Ritter said. “We don’t believe in living for free.”

 

But he and Janet, a 51-year-old real estate agent, make no apology for using every tactic available to them to stay in their house, including challenging the foreclosure sale in court, requesting mediation and claiming they had a tenant living with them. Their adversaries, they argued, are giant financial institutions with armies of lawyers that are out to make as much money as possible at the expense of homeowners.

 

“When a bank does all it can to save itself, that’s good business,” Keith said. “When a homeowner does the same thing, he’s called a deadbeat.”

And that, ladies and gents, is why this country is fucked.

Meet the Ritters:

"Keith and Janet Ritter inside their home in Fort Washington, Md. In five years, they have never made a mortgage payment, a fact that amazes even the most seasoned veterans of the foreclosure crisis."

"Janet Ritter in the dining area of their Fort Washington home. The
Ritters make no apology for using every tactic available to them to stay
in their house, including challenging the foreclosure sale in court and
requesting mediation
."

"Keith Ritter has a business, Beat It Movers, that involves eviction services, property preservation and cleaning of foreclosed homes. Here, he checks out some ceiling damage in one such home in Fort Washington. Ritter gets the irony of working for some of the same banks that have foreclosed on him. But he has to make money somehow. “All I know is real estate,” he said."

Casa de Ritter:

"The Ritter's Fort Washington home. They have kept their home for so long by repeatedly filing for bankruptcy and by exploiting changes in Maryland’s laws designed to help delinquent homeowners avoid foreclosure."

"Interior of Keith and Janet Ritter's Fort Washington home. Efforts to protect homeowners have transformed Maryland’s foreclosure process from one of the country’s shortest to one of the longest. It now takes on average 634 days to complete a foreclosure in Maryland, compared with 132 days in Virginia"

 

And when all else fails, beg god for debt forgiveness: "Bible verses are marked that pertain to debt and forgiveness on a table in the Ritters’ home in Fort Washington."

Then again, who needs god when you have hope and change... for some.

 


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Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment idea_hamster
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#Winning!

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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Extend and pretend baby!

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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This is extreme but not out of the ordinary.

 

I work in the bankruptcy field and know dozens, if not hundreds of unpaid mortgages just in Monroe, Ontario & Wayne counties NY.

 

This shit will flame out in the most unreal ways someday (hopefully sooner rather than later)

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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So that guy was right, with Obama POTUS, no one has to worry about their mortgage anymore.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Capitalist10
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You are thinking about Peggy the Moocher.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Leopold B. Scotch
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Only logical. Why should we have to pay for anything. Let the government do it for us.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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This just goes to show what is possible with perpetual debt issuance accompanied by easy monetary policy. By constantly demonizing entities like the Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS, libertarians are denying America a new golden age of fiscal and monetary stimulus. This couple are showing us first hand that the concept of "living beyond our means" is simply a lie. One day, people are going to look back at libertarian propaganda, and they are going to be embarrassed and ashamed that these ideas of "balanced budgets" and "personal responsibility" ever surfaced.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:15 | Link to Comment Comay Mierda
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produce that note!

only question i have is arent they going to receive a rather large 1099 for tax purposes when the bank forecloses?  I heard the banks have been doing that even though foreclosure isnt taxable as "income"

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Ima just bite my tongue on this one...these "people" have been bilking the system since they were teenagers.

They never made ONE SINGLE PAYMENT.  WTF does that tell you?  It wasn't their "intention"?

These are not homeowners nor people we should give even ONE SHIT about.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment centerline
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These are thieves.  Nothing more.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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I've seen many a case just like this in my work.  The Ritter's have also probably avoided $40-50K in property taxes and hazard insurance coverage....

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment economics1996
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MDB is on to something.  We should license ATM machines to the right people and spit out cash on demand.  Negroes would be #1 on the list followed by lesbians, illegal Mexicans, Yids do not need one, and they have their own now.  Spit out that cash and solve the world’s poverty problems.

We could export the cash machines to Bangladesh and solve world poverty while we are at it.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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"Negroes would be #1 on the list followed by lesbians, illegal Mexicans, Yids do not need one, and they have their own now."

 

I am soliciting donations for my skin and sex change surgery, i also need a jewish mexican female to help me sneak across the rio grande asap.


The lesbianism kinda goes without saying.................

 

Donations of 20$ recieve a photo, donations of more than 10$ ensure no photo is ever sent to you.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:44 | Link to Comment macholatte
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I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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LOL I use that one at parties from time to time. Still get drinks thrown into my face.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:59 | Link to Comment redpill
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It's all lulz that they are "sticking it" to the bankers, until you realize that they both are getting bailed out with taxpayer money so....the rest of us are paying for it.  Fuck 'em.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:28 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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The parents of both these Congoids undoubtedly "worked the system" with equal efficiency. They learned well. A prime example of what Hunter Wallace @http://occidentaldissent.com calls...the Black Undertow.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment zaphod
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These nitwits are setting themselves up for a very sad retirement.

They've gotten used to free stuff, and expect a comfortable free retirement paid by the government.

It's going to be hard to move out of that house and into whatever hovel SS will pay for in 10 years when the government is flat broke.....

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:58 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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What retirement?

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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In the long term, these folks are spoiled by the higher standard of living in a large McMansion for free that when it comes time to pay or get kicked out, they will be more depressed than the ones living in the ghetto.

 

Blacks just transitioned from physical slavery to debt slavery and then they joined the typical American slavery as consumption slaves.

 

But then they are just following Obama's example as Obam hasn't paid mortgage for the whitehouse for 4 years now.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:26 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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This will all end well.  Like a shot of Drano in the carotid artery.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 02:37 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Free at last.

Free at last.

Free at last*

 

 

*Assuming their lender hasn't received a broken title (title as a result of breaking the chain of title, via MERS or other fraudulent transfer), and/or hasn't robosigned, robo-notatized & robo-stamped affidavits and other documents that professed things not true, under penalty of perjury, and/or hasn't literally 're-created' legal documents relevant to the chain of title via a 'title re-creation shop,' which is the very textbook definition of fraud, misrepresentation, violation of fundamental real property law and criminal activity that rises to the level of multiple felonies.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 08:08 | Link to Comment taxpayer102
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         Negroes at Auction
         BY J. & L.T. LEVIN

WILL be sold, on MONDAY, the 3d January next, at
the Court House, at 10 o'clock.
22 LIKELY NEGROES, the larger number of of
which are young and desirable. Among them are Field
Hands, Hostlers and Carriage Drivers, House Servants,
&c., and of the following ages: Robinson 40, Elsey 34,
Yanaky 13, Sylia 11, Anikee 8, Robinson 6, Candy 3,
Infant 9, Thomas 35, Die 38, Amey 18, Eldridge 13,
Charles 6, Sarah 60, Baket 50, Mary 18, Betty 16, Guy
12, Tilla 9, Lydia 24, Rachel 4, Scippio 2.
 The above Negroes are sold for the purpose of making
some other investment of the proceeds, the sale will
therefore be positive.
 Terms - a credit of one, two and three years, for notes
payable at either of the Banks, with two or more approved
endorsers, with interest from date. Purchasers to pay
for papers.

 

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 09:53 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Too bad they didn't bail on real estate to start a solar company when Obummer took office.  Being black, oppressed and bankrupt would have given them a head start for federal funding of their company.  I hope the FED owns the paper on their home (along with the Red Roof Inns).  Let the Bernak deal with the McMansion squatters.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 01:43 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Better question, what SS?

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 04:01 | Link to Comment Michael
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Dr Ron Paul Can Get the Price of Gas Down to 10 Cents! : Theoretically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xreIsZpHzSk

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Element
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Article mentions they have a 'tenant' is one of the excuses they used to renegociate ... what's the bet it's the maid?  

Does that free-loading scum look like she's doing the house work?

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 07:38 | Link to Comment azusgm
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More likely a cardboard cut-out.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Blow up white girl for threesome night?

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I personally know someone (not a friend, for what it's worth) who has lived in a 7000 square foot+ home that was built in 2003 since that time, and he has not paid a morgage payment on it in over approximately 5 years, and just like in the example above, the mortgagee hasn't even initiated foreclosure proceedings yet (he hasn't filed bankruptcy, filed any legal challenge, or done anything - he, his wife and children just live there, uncontested, and do all the neighborhood things, cut the grass, trim the hedges, kids playing on the trampoline and playset in the backyard).

I think there are a whole lot of homes in the U.S. of A. that the banks don't want back, and many of them are high end ones.

Wait, let me alter my statement:  Given that I have a very good friend who is exclusively handling foreclosure matters for 5 large or regional banks/lenders, I know for a fact that there is a literal algorithm used whereby, depending on whether it's a recourse or non-recourse state, priority on the timing of foreclosure depends on many variable, including chances of obtaining a deficiency judgment that's collectable, whether the occupant has been maintaining the property and paying the taxes and utilities (they actually keep tabs on this), what the local housing market has been doing in terms of price trends, the relative heftiness of real property taxes on the property, how much the property is underwater based on the note, and what the realistic prospects are for what the property could be sold for today and how long it would take to do so.

If the prognosis for selling the house at a price that comes close to allowing the note holder to recoup anything remotely allowing for a recoupment of more than a certain ratio of the balance of the note, if the occupant would be uncollectable on a deficiency judgment, and if the property is being 'kept up' in terms of maintenance and property tax payments, most of those files go directly to the bottom of the pile.

And those piles are growing larger, by the way, no matter what teaser CONfident-inspiring headlines are splashed across the front pages of MSM papers.

One more thing, if you think high end areas are not suffering from this trend, you couldn't be more wrong.

As just one example, the lake front area of the Chicago area (like Glencoe, Illinois - a very exclusive area) is seeing many live without making any payments in 2 and 3 million dollar homes (well, that's the mortgage amount, at any rate), or just have people mail the keys to the bank (as the property taxes are about 45,000 per year on many of these homes, and they're worth half or less than they were back in 2006).

This is a July , 2010 article on this precise issue, and it has not improved, and has arguably gotten worse since then, despite the trillions in gifting to banks by Geithner & The Bernank:

Walking Away From Million-Dollar Mortgages - NYTimes.com

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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These "nitwits" are why OUR retirement is less probable.

I've ALWAYS felt the reason for the "recession/housing" problem wasn't banks, but the clowns agreeing to mortgages they couldn't or wouldn't pay.

What needs to happen is STREAMLINING the foreclosure process, not making it tougher for banks.

The "recovery" won't happen until all these homes are owned by the banks and resold, OR being paid for by the owners. It's that liberal mindset...."you can't throw people out in the street" that's ENABLING these MORALLY bankrupt people to cause US to pay for their irresponsibility.

BTW:

The banks don't want these homes back because then they would have to claim them as liabilities, and we'd see what TERRIBLE shape the banks are really in!

 

 

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:01 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Eh?  No, it's the nitwits that stole our money to make them whole in direct contravention of natural law.

Let them burn as they should, and the economy will be fine again within a couple of years.  Continue this path, and we have at least a decade of darkness in front of us, assuming we don't experience a total collapse.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 03:53 | Link to Comment Bloodstock
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Yep, fuck 'em! But for now, who really cares?

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment Willzyx
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I am somewhat dismayed that I will never have the opportunity to participate in a lesbian orgy.  sigh

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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A significant percentage of folks caught in the situation the Ritters find themselves in were, like the Ritters, speculators - often 'Realtors' and mortgage loan brokers who went all in and couldn't unload the portfolios they'd assembled before it became financially impossible for them to do so.  And why not go all in if the banks will lend you the money - if the market turns you live there and/or collect rents as long as you can and then hand over the keys?  And why not lend the money when you can immediately offload the risk by selling the loan into MBS?  And why not purchase the MBS cuz it is AAA rated?  Oops.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment Captain Kink
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WHY NOT?

Moral Hazard, Bitchez!

Never be a scumbag.  [Rule #3]

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:45 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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GOVERNMENT don't care as long as they pay property taxes....

$20,000/year in taxes isn't pocket change.

 

and it is porbably $500/month for heating bills for 5000sqft house.

 

 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Xkwisetly Paneful
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Correct they came into the game with nothing and therefore had nothing to lose.

and why not just consider the MBS as US Treasury paper that just happened to yield substantially more but magically and largely implictly contained the same guarantees?

while you're at it, consider the buyers of that paper the creators of that market,

supposed adult aged, professional money managers investing in shit they knew less than nothing about for that extra return lined up three wide around the globe twice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:13 | Link to Comment centerline
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It makes them no better than the banks.  It is that simple.  Remember the old saying that "if it is too good to be true, then it probably is"?  When did it become socially acceptable to live like a rock star without any assets to back it up?

Ok, don't answer that last question.

 

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:10 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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WINNERS

banksters who got bonuses for flipping MBS

politicians who got lobbyst jobs/money for passing favorable laws

government workers (most notably fire and police) who set pension, benefits, salary formulae based on the bubble property prices

people who quit real jobs and became home flippers or real estate agents

lower class and faux upper class Americans not paying mortgages after years of partying, vacations, luxury cars, etc.

baby boomers who are still able to sell crappy ugly old homes at over-inflated prices for retirement funds

spenders

 

LOSERS

middle class Americans in private corporate cutt-throat jobs paying mortages in expensive urban areas and surrounding suburbs.

young Americans paying high rents and never getting the opportunity to purchase an entry level home at a non-bubble price on top of huge BS student loans

savers

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment optimator
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Negros should NOT be #1 on  the list, the category of folks that gave Obama the highest percentage  of their votes should.......er, on second thought how do I delete this post.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment trav7777
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they are already provided with free money and still remain at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.

The difference between the rich and the poor is NOT MONEY.  It is the innate ability to hang onto it!

Dey jus needz mo oppuhtunateez nshit.

BTW, I wonder if these frickin freeloaders get that THEY are the servant in that parable...I'm sure Mr. Ritter doesn't just forgive what's owed him, hell no.  People of this demographic are MERCILESS when it comes to reaping what they don't sow.

Kinda like how post-emancipation ex-slaves were given Liberia and immediately established themselves as plantation owners in the IDENTICAL style as their former masters, enslaving the natives who had remained there.  They even aped the dress of southern gentlemen.  Slavery persisted in Liberia for the most part until the mid 1900s.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:58 | Link to Comment BlackMagician
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Ok...Ok...I get it...Being born black means you are DuMb and stupid and genetically inferior...The Romans probably said the same about the BARBARIANS at the GATE...As one of the INFERIOR...I hope that you don't reflect the view of most decent ZeroHedger's...Dat's OK masta we all ain't dum...GeT a LiFe...and I forgive you...you are probably ignorant and know NO minorities...When I see individual whites do EvIL I won't say...damn all those whites...rant OFF.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:03 | Link to Comment tmosley
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I'm pretty sure Trav's death worship and collectivism aren't representative of the majority of ZHer's, but I am starting to wonder.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:19 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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I'm pretty sure TM's white-cosmic, self-destructive liberalism isn't at all typical of ZHrs. Otherwise they'd be spending their time at the Puffington Host. Where you belong.  

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 01:39 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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actually this is a comment on trav's assertion that the difference between the rich and the poor isn't money but the ability to hang on to it.  apparently it is neither or a little of both (or why anderson cooper has a day job): 

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1064655.Fortune_s_Children

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment tmosley
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"Hurr, ur teh librul, durr."

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:33 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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Better get the lemonade and cookies ready; the Thought Police are coming soon.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:59 | Link to Comment BlackMagician
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DO you REALLY need someone to tell you that you are an ignorant arse?..

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 01:41 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Obama sold out blacks just like African Kings sold out his own race to European slave traders.

 

Give it up for the white race for pulling this off all the while still not having to say a full 100% black person was the US president.

 

Now Obama ready to send blacks and latinos to fight wars for white folks in Iran. Even in Iran, elites are European Italian looking.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 04:23 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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Blacks have very little racial solidarity it seems. In Southern California Blacks are maybe 10-15% of the total metro area population yet if you follow crime sites like the LA Times Homicide Map you'll see that seemingly half the murders in LA County are black-on-black. They're tearing each other apart. Over what? I have no idea. Nothing it seems. Same deal going on in Africa with the two wars in the Congo and in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Rwanda, etc. Just meaningless violence, looting and raiding.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 05:30 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Shhh, if they ever work out they're being screwed just like the rest of us too the cats out of the bag,

Hip hop, dr dre and 50 sense says its cool for blacks and latino's to kill each other, just dont let them think about shit other than guns, god and fucking and fashion.

So obama favors blacks and women in his actions in office, pretty fucking stoopid to piss off the demographic that put him in the white house.

That tag team bullshit with him and hilary got all the blacks and all the women riled up before the election and then they voted.....DEM.

The repubs saw that and decided they needed that kind of a primary, one with two historic, radical, candidates.

Unfortunately its not working, they have lost the initiative to obama who have framed their primsary campaign as racist and sexist(keeping the women and blacks onside, none of the candidates is serious about balancing the budget ,RP is the only one who would spend less than obama.

The current state of the GOP is bad, not just for them but for the entire country.  without competent opposition, you will have dems using the Patriot act to go after "domestic terrorists" or "religious fanatics".

Anyone willing to bet obama wouldnt misuse the patriot act?

Anyone remember waco?

Just saying.

 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:30 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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am soliciting donations for my skin and sex change surgery, i also need a jewish mexican female to help me sneak across the rio grande asap.

Will you accept a Catholic? Jews for Jebus!

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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MDB is on to something.  We should license ATM machines to the right people and spit out cash on demand

 

We already did that!..ohhhh, I misread ATM machines - thought you said white middle class Americans. My bad.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Andy Lewis
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Yer breath stinks.  Go brush yer teeth.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 01:16 | Link to Comment Mugatu
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Yah, but I bet they aren't behind with the Homeowners Association!  You never fuck with "the Association".  Worse than the Mafia! 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment walküre
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Students of the Great Chair Satan?

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment Grey-Ghost
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The whole country is a fucking theiving monstrosity devoid of law or morality so why not join the club and enjoy while you can?

Just look at the treasonous poison, a.k.a. the House of Representatives and ponder how they'd managed to legalize bribery ("lobbying") and enabled themselves to profit on insider information ("insider trading" puts mere mortal criminals to jail) and start researching this gigantic joke of a country from there.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Augustus
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lobbying is enshrined in the US Constitution.

However, you are correct to note that the Congress Critters have managed to pervert that as well as most other parts of the document.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Find me another modern democracy where bribing a politician is legal?

 

 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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WE dont live ina Democracy we live in a REPUBLIC , I see the main stream media brainwashing works

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:23 | Link to Comment aerojet
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We live in neither, so it doesn't fucking matter.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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You don't think this shit is going on in Europe and the rest of the world? We have special interest buying politicians, we have politicians buying votes with welfare, kickbacks and government contracts. What do you think causes revolutions and governments to collapse? The parasites will continue to feed on the host until the body is cold

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:22 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Germany?

They had political corruption in Egypt 2000 years ago, France during Napolian rule, and will exist 300 years out and more....

 

The truth is politicians are too powerful for what they are paid so they trade in power over nation's huge resources for money in one way or another. But elites make it really expensive to join the club (low salaries, high price to even run for elections) to keep the masses away.

 

Politics is for children of the super wealthy to protect their status in society by keeping the masses fooled except when it comes to their property. In the beginning, politics were played by the religious elite via churches, then by governments, and soon by multinational corporations.

 

Billionare Koch brothers aren't talking to each other due to family politics of who gets what.

free markets might tackle ineffiency of the financially traded resources, but there is nothing addressing the proper allocation of power except politics.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment CH1
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lobbying is enshrined in the US Constitution.

Of what passage are you thinking?

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 01:51 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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1st Amendment:  You have a right to petition the Government for redress of greivances (or, in the case of Lobbyists, petition the Clowngress for tax loopholes)

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 02:03 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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The Constitution guarantees all of us the right to lobby, along with the right to practice religion freely, to express our opinions in public and to rally for a cause. It’s all in the First Amendment

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

The problem is that capitalists have convinced middle class not to lobby for themselves by leveraging the power of labor unions to fight for their labor rights while using corporate funding to lobby for themselves. The problem is the middle class who thinks they are top 0.1% elite aka capitalists.

 

Imagine if all workers (low middle uppermiddle) contributed $10 to American Middle Class lobby....that's funding of almost HALF A BILLION DOLLARS to fight for middle class. but they are dumb and paying $120,000 for useless college degree where you get it for free in even in 3rd world. Imagine all parents of college bound kids paying $120,000 to a lobbyst to fight for them instead.

 

As long as there are competition amongst lobbysts for dollars, system will work ok. It is not like rich people love giving money to lawyer types. But when lobbysts have their own lobbyst's lobby, you know you should have one too.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Theta_Burn
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Dude, I've thought about this many times, and to be honest don't have a clue as to how.

If I dont pay my bills they simply turn shit off

If I stopped paying mortgages they simply foreclose

If I dont have health insurance I owe for the rest of my life.

Anyone have a solution here?

 

 

 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment trav7777
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yes, be black.  People will fall over themselves, aka DWLs will, to attribute your every failure to someone else.  Nothing will ever be your fault.  You can up and beat the fuck out of people and murder them over $5 and your savagery will be blamed on some other group.

The problem is, in bygone times, the people from the group that created civilization would have stood up and beat down this ghetto mentality.  Now that such a thing is verboten as it beez rayciss, they are forced to capitulate and even go along with it.  Half of this group is suicidal and pretty much regards being murdered by a minority as the honest honor achievable.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:25 | Link to Comment aerojet
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The situation you describe is only temporary.  The ghetto classes get away with so much only because we currently have the luxury of putting up with their bullshit.  If times do eventually get tough, that luxury will end very rapidly and we will be back to calling lazy, worthless, shitpiles exactly what they are.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment trav7777
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I have some sympathetic friends and I say the same thing.  Their opinion in many cases is that the USA is lost, that there is no recovering from the suicidal zeitgeist.

I have said that having fucking wheelchair ramp tributes to the disabled is a luxury parasitic drag that we can only afford in good times, just like we can afford the black middle class when we have abundance.  But when scarcity comes, that will be thrown overboard.  Still waiting....

it used to be that people got literally smacked on the head for doing shit like this story.  However, as long as women vote, we get a government and a narrative conversation revolving around "safety," "fairness," and "protection" - womeny bullshit.  This trend necessarily aligns ghetto classes with 50% of the population...so wtf is gonna happen, are white men really going to reestablish apartheid?  There are too many of them trying to suck up to women in the vain attempt to get the pussy that goes to guys who smack them around and treat them like shit.

Try this, go on facebook and say obama sucks and watch these DWL types call you a racist.  Your own kind is going to shit on you trying to score brownie points or thinking they will score pussy by being a bitch.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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  Try this, go on facebook and say obama sucks and watch these DWL types call you a racist.

I've ragged on Obama pretty hard in many environments and never once been called racist for it.  I'm "white," too.

It could be a personal issue, Trav.

In the long run, though, these folks deserve no blame for staying in the house.  The foreclosure process is entirely up to the bank that's servicing the mortgage.  They're obviously scammers, though--a great deal like the guy who gave them them the mortgage in the first place, and also rather like the bank who sold the mortage to a pension fund as a "security."

If there's ever any incidental justice, they'll end up at a collective farm picking beans next to Corzine.  Hah.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:18 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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You haven't been on facebook or many other websites. I've been called racist because I stated he was a whore to the bankers for bailing them out. 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Well, I might phrase it a bit differently--maybe if you have a tendency to call names and curse and use epithets, you're more likely to get all that sort of thing thrown back at you?

Just common sense.

I pegged him as the banker's candidate back in '07, and I've been telling people ever since that he works for the banks and big finance.  Never once called a racist for it.

If you're getting a lot of flak on Facebook, incidentally, your "friends" aren't.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:58 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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That was just another facet of his plan to get into power. Shaking down the banks, helping use the CRA the courts and Fannie/Freddie to do what they did, all about gaining political power.

Obama used to teach a seminar for ACORN, the quasi-communist semi-anarchist web of shady rabble rousing activists, on how to obtain power, based on Alinksy's teachings but not only.

The purpose of gaining power, in his case, was unrelated to the things he espoused and supported in order to get the power. He got the power to harm the United States and the western world generally speaking, by imploding them. It is working.

See Dinesh D'Sousa's book The Roots of Obama's Rage for a decode of what makes the guy tick. It ISN'T identification with African-Americans, not by a long shot. He's got nothing in common with them. He used them, put on a "black" identity as a means to power.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Yeah, I dunno, I don't think he's as special as you do, apparently.  I think he's just another glad-handed opportunist who made a few popular speeches and realized he had a shot at the Most Powerful Man in the WORLD position.

What you're saying sounds strongly like bullshit (ACORN quasi-communist semi-anarchist?  WHA?), but for sure Obama's just another asshole. 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:48 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The shakedown of the banks began with lawsuits brought by groups like ACORN too, not just by the Clinton administration. At least one of those suits was brought by Barack Obama as ACORN's lawyer. So he was a heavy for and with ACORN. He's been at the banking sector shakedown business for a long time, and reaped the campaign donations that go with that.

The black identity he put on..remember he mostly wasn't raised by black people and was NOT raised by or amongst african americans...he put on when he moved to Chicago with his "community organizer" plan. He found out getting involved in the black churches would be critical to developing cred with a target audience with whom he shared exactly nothing other than negro genetic heritage. So he joined the most radically anti-american black church available, and got himself close to Reverend Wright, who spoke a message 100% in line with the anti-colonialist ant-occidental ideas Obama prized from his father. Obama explains in his damned memoirs, plural, what drives him. He pledged on his father's grave to realise his father's dreams. His father was super pissed about western imperialism and hegemony over the rest of the world, including of course the islamic bits of the world.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Cadavre
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The "shakedown of the banks"  WTF is you smoking boy?

THe banks are running the shakedown and these clowns live in a state that is little more than a judicial compound filled with occupants that helped rig the "bankers shakedown".

The banks and these clowns and the state of Maryland are all part and parcel of the same SCAM.

Without US tax dollars, Maryland would not be in business - the whole f*cking state is a Civil Servant "Nest". Most wf the executive employees for DHS, CIA DoD, DoJ, and senior congressional and White House staff and FBI live in Maryland.

Maryland's modification of foreclosure laws is not an accident. The law was designed to have US tax payers pay down MD mortgages held by wanna be rich and famous Civil Servants,. There are a lot of free loading civil servants living in MD Mac Mansions living the same life style. It wouldn't be Kosher to kick out their worthless asses in front of g*d and everybody.

Maryland, or "Israel on the Potomac", as MD residents living outside the blue collar barrios of Baltimore, refer to it, boasts one of the largest population of US/Israeli dual citizens. U-NO they ain't gonna get the boot.

Jus shutup, hum this catchy little tune, and pay your sahare of their mortgage suck-a.

 

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:29 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Sounds like you're saying the current President had some kind of crazy insider connections from before the election that helped get him elected.

Fuckin' amazing.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 05:13 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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Not true. Obama's father came to the U.S. as part of a CIA program to recruit young African leaders and impart them with a pro-Western ideology, which took place with the Cold War and African Decolonization going on in the background.

Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/madsen1.1.1.html

Obama's mother worked for various CIA-connected think tanks, non-profits, government agencies etc. like the East-West Center, Ford Foundation and USAID.

Obama must have been on the CIA radar since he was a child, with both of his parents being "assets." It is my own conclusion that there is a strong possibility that he may have been groomed for the post from a relatively young age. I find it interesting that under the Obama administration General Petraeus became Director of the CIA and Leon Panetta went from Director of the CIA to Secretary of Defense. To me this indicates a kind of "peace-making" negotiation between the armed forces and intelligence community after the policy disputes of the Bush administration (see any of Bob Woodward's books about the strategic debates at the time). That doesn't indicate to me any kind of "mole" who subverted their way into the White House. Obama is Establishment (political, military and corporate) through and through.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 05:05 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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I don't buy the ACORN conspiracy theories either. ACORN is a group of welfare pimps, leeches and enablers of "benefits"-addicts but I don't buy the whole "decades long secret plot to subvert the US from within the White House" narrative. I mostly see Presidential contenders as the primary PR rep for a management team, nothing more. They're the public face and the literal embodiment of the group in power but I don't think the individual convictions of any one President have mattered for a while now. Reagan and Carter may have been the last two to have administrations that weren't completely corporatized.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:19 | Link to Comment Element
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Ok, I'm confused, how does someone score pussy via facebook?

Don't answer that.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 04:54 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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We really need to end LBJ's "Great Society" monstrosity: doling out welfare to single mothers on a per child basis. It's encouraged the creation of entire families that are government-dependent from cradle to grave.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:43 | Link to Comment centerline
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When times get tough, these folks are going to step up the game to a point that no one will be safe - anywhere.  The ghetto mentality will turn on everyone, including themselves.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:41 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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When the food cards stop working and the sec 8 chex bounce, I look 1st of all for the urban blacks and latinos to have at each other...and substantially reduce each others #s. Those that survive will then turn on their former urban white cosmic/Jewish masters and reduce their #s as well. Those of us well outside the cities, and in flyover country, will then go into the cities, clean up the mess, and restore the Republic.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Sounds like a great story, but it's not going to happen overnight. If the first part of your narrative proves true, the second part will be decades in the making.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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History moves in fits and starts. When the gears break altogether, it will move very rapidly.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Agreed, when the gears break, shit will get very bad very quickly. It was the rebuilding part that I was talking about taking decades.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Larry Dallas
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Why are we Red Arrowing anything that has to do with race here? This is ridiculous. They got this house because they checked a box on their 1003. I guess we can't be real anymore.

Affirmative Action at it's finest.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:50 | Link to Comment trav7777
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DATS RAYCISS

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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Damn straight it is. It's also the truth.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:30 | Link to Comment taxpayer102
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@trav7777

Why did the Washington Post pick Black Americans for this article ?  To create a scapegoat for you to direct your anger towards instead of staying focused on crimes committed by the blood sucking bankers.   Those same bankers that  financed and managed the slave trade for 310 years using *free* Black slave labor to build financial and industrial empires.  Ironic that today bankers have created a nation of indebted slaves of every color but thanks to their media accomplices keep us thinking race is the problem.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:19 | Link to Comment chindit13
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We have 310 year old bankers?  Damn, those guys lobbied The Almighty, too!  It's good, though, that they're still around, because otherwise we'd be stuck with that sins of the father fall on to the son can of worms.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 01:40 | Link to Comment captain_menace
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Banker-bashing is a daily affair around here.

It's nice to see another group get thrown under the bus from time to time.

Variety is the spice of life (or so an alcoholic customer once told me).

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 07:06 | Link to Comment o2sd
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Why did the Washington Post pick Black Americans for this article ? 

 

Because black people don't read the Washington Post? In a similar vein, why did ZeroHedge pick this particular article to post up?

Plenty of parasites, scammers and hustlers of all colors and creeds, but articles about the theivery of black people gets the clicks. And of course, any article on black people brings trav7777 out swinging, which is mildly amusing, like watching a retarded kid have a hissy fit.

The REAL truth is that the great majority of people are just fucking useless. Can't do anything, don't know anything and have no apparent purpose. And they know it, so the only way they can get by is to work out how to bilk the system, and when the system starts to collapse, look for a convenient scapegoat to blame.

Racism is how the useless stupid people deflect attention from their own ineptitude and perdifidy. Like trav7777.

 

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 04:46 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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Domestic animals can change dramatically (temperment, appearance, habits, instincts) over 100 years of breeding selection. What makes us think that humans aren't subject to the same genetic evolutionary forces? Africa more or less developed in isolation from the rest of the world up until a few hundred years ago due to tropical diseases.

In Europe, Asia and the Americas, wealth was based on farming, animal husbandry and complex division of labor. In other words, societies were generally selecting for traits like patience, intelligence, cooperation and discipline. These societies developed sophisticated numerical and linguistic skills. In Sub-Saharan Black Africa, wealth was based on hunting skills, internal social competition (ie being the Alpha Male, getting the biggest share of the tribe's spoils) and physical strength (for raiding and looting other tribes). Most of these societies never really developed any true mathematical system (and those that did mostly did so due to influence from Arab traders) nor developed written language.

300 years of multicultural societies doesn't and can't trump at least several thousand years of development in radically different social and cultural contexts. "Mainstream culture" (for lack of a better term) won't accept this reality. It peddles the silly fiction that racial discrimination is an irrational hatred over the color of someone's skin. Yet in reality we see that racial discrimination happens all over the world, and has happened for as long as we can remember, on the scale of hundreds of milions of people. Is it really likely that that many people are simply delusional? Or is racial discrimination a logical result of the social friction that often (but not always) happens when different racial groups interact due to differing and contradictory social and economic practices and beliefs?

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:24 | Link to Comment cossack55
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1789

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:53 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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It may indeed come to that, yes.

But I haven't given up hope.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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New currency backed by Gold/Silver and an erasure of all current debt. Return to the Constitution - because the Federal Government has so FUBARED everything there is no choice left. It's either we become a third world hell-hole enslaved by permanent debt or the problems are fixed.

 

 

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 21:06 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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what a way to fix the F*cking problem....cancel debt.....i'm fine with this is I can take my ZERO debt load and lever it up 40 times.....then make it all fair and cancel debt. the problem is fairness, plain and simple. follow the law.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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These are little league thieves, to really hit it big they need to start trading currencies..............

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:37 | Link to Comment tmosley
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You're going to have to be more specific.

More specifically, it's thieves stealing from thieves using thieves to stope from having those thieves take back that which they contracted to pay them for.

Burn the system down.  There is no way to repair it.  We are just going to have to start fresh.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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The system is being burned down.  This couple is doing their part.  Are you?

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:59 | Link to Comment nmewn
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What does this all mean, do I get my "free" penal implant or not? ;-)

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Bad news for your wife :), you don't but teachers negotiated free plastic surgery for themselves on the back of the tax payer.  We are so pissed about these two people gaming the system and we are being raped everyday for BILLIONS by the Government class over and above us..  Free plastic surgery, its for the cheeeldren..

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/it%E2%80%99s-kids-buffalo-teachers-receive-free-plastic-surgery

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Yeah, I heard about that...and of course you know it was a joke on my part ;-)

It's like an addiction, you have to reach rock bottom first.

And it's a long hard slog...it's much easier to tell people that you will give them "free" stuff that someone else will be obligated to pay for than to say, you want it...pay for it.

People have been conditioned to expect anything and everything...and if they don't get it...it's an injustice, a crime even. So, the debt climbs higher as the moochers clamor for more baubles from politicians and the producers turn to the bribery of politicians to prevent property theft.

You and I see clearly who the real winners are in this charade.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 02:06 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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teachers are not getting richer...they got plastic surgery for free but that's not capital investment that grows over time.

 

what that really is plastic surgeons getting richer by having large number of customer demand paid by tax payers.

 

doctors don't find cure for cancer, they just doll it out and make tons of money due to lobbying.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 05:50 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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"not getting richer"  right..  Perhaps you've heard this old saw, "A penny saved is a penny earned"?

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment fourchan
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THEIVES/DEMOCRATS

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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These are thieves.  Nothing more.

 

Yes.  Transferring to you and me their indiscretions.  Sadly, some will view them as heroes and be motivated by their actions to "beat the system."

And the spiral into the abyss accelerates...

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Heroes? seriously?

These people are pragmatists, it's just stupid to be honest in a system as corrupt as ours.

 

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment aerojet
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I disagree.  What really matters about character is what you do when nobody is overseeing you.  If you drop yourself to some uncivilized level, then whatever happens to you after that is exactly what you deserve.  Pragmatism is just rationalization of bad behavior in this case.  The US is a better place to live than the Ivory Coast because people used to understand having principles.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:05 | Link to Comment brokenclock
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Aerojet,

 

Principles...... Priciples are you freaking kidding. These banksters are going to shit you out then piss on you. I'm happy these people are doing this. It will hopefully speed up the zero sum game.

It's people like you with there heads up there ass that's keeps letting the system run wild. Wake the fuck up and smell the roses. The bank fucks stole from you first by selling your shit they never had documents to prove they owned. second They sold them to your pension fund, third they took all your tax dollars to pay for the big fuck-up. They walked away with everything and you got shafted.

So shove character, morales, and priciples where the sun don't shine. Because bankers don't have any of these traits, so neither should you when dealing with them.

It's business. straight up business.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 01:24 | Link to Comment The Navigator
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If we live long enough to see TEOWAWKI secanario, the Bankers will be the 1st to be hunted down because of their immoral, no-character, non-principaled lives.

2nd to be hunted down will be those that look like bankers that imitate their immoral, no-character, non-principaled lives.

Character really is how you act when you believe no one is watching.

It's Business???? Exactly the type of thinking that rotted and sank this ship.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:12 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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Spot on aerojet.

Brokenclock is not right twice today.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment tmosley
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They didn't do that.  The government did.  Let's place the blame where it is due.

These people are certainly moochers.  But who cares?  Moochers were never the problem.  It is the system that feeds them that is the problem.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment trav7777
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people like you are part of that system...wtf are you gonna do if they ever cut the government and people start bleating about how RAYCISS people like you are because the artificial black middle class that the .gov has created totally collapses?

The disproportionality of mooching is well-known, coward.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment tmosley
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What am I going to do?  Rejoice!  I don't really care about what they say.  I want a new system, where people are forced to stand on their own, and thus get stronger.  This is as opposed to you, who wants to make everyone weaker, and to sterilize the population to fulfill your savage jerk-off fantasy.

Sure, a guy who stands up for his unpopular principles while posting using his REAL NAME is a coward.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:51 | Link to Comment trav7777
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so, you are a RAYCISS LOL

In reality, if the "disproportionate impact" of what you advocate starts to bite and ANYONE called you a racist, you are FAR too cowardly to not just fold like a fucking lawn chair and go along with your own destruction.

Sterilizing the low IQ population would make the fertile stronger.  It's called "punctuated equilibrium."

You want to cut out all the assistance blacks get to survive and overcome white racism everywhere, don't you?  Blacks are in the best socioeconomic position in this country they've ever been and racists like you want to cut out all dey oppuhtunateez and send them back to the plantations.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:01 | Link to Comment dugorama
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you know this stuff was tried in Germany in the '30s and they learned that it doesn't really work out so well in the long run.  Who decides who stays and who goes.  TMosely might denounce you, for instance.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:32 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Actually we're trying the opposite. Womens liberation promoted birth control and free un-attached sex, whilst beating up the white hereto male, and outright attacking the traditional family unit.

Toss in years of Great Society brainwashing for good measure.

So now we've got an Idiocracy type of situation where smart folks are postponing or going without children. Yet the low IQ masses continue to shoot babies out like gatling guns.

The Alternate universe Nazi eugenicist is jizzing in his pants.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Rearranging Dec...
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+ 1000 green arrows

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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damn, so it IS the feminazi's fault!!

"free un-attached sex" with. . .white hetero males??? wimmin's lib PROMOTED this and you guys OPPOSE this?

DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

you lot are hilarious when it comes to the logic fail outside your "markets" chatter.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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What's a Feminazi?  Sound delicious.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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ask their hero, Rush Limbaugh - he coined it, they use it.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:59 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Now Cat.

What is one to say about life without consequence and responsibility?

We have a government and many in society that say obese people are abnormal, all the while promoting body builder physiques and anorexic super models as normal...yet recoil in horror when a schoolyard bully beats up a fat kid.

We have the same government and society that say stay out of my bedroom, all the while demanding that the consequence of the act (or at least the expense and/or unintended consequences) be born by those who were not in that bedroom at all.

Apparently they fear they're breeding like or with rabbits behind those closed doors and are afraid the dreaded Bunny Hop Flu will get out into the general population..or sumpin ;-)

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:30 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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not exactly sure what your point is here in relation to my snarky post?

I'm just trollin' the bait nmewn, making sure ZH gets some revenues. . .

*wink*

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:55 | Link to Comment nmewn
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;-)

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:28 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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"Women's Lib". i.e, Red Jewesses: Friedan, Steinem, Brownmiller, Aptheker, Feuerstein, Jong, Dohrn...& etc.  

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:30 | Link to Comment trav7777
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mosely-claven is an idiot...it doesn't matter who he denounces.

As far as Germany in the 30s and whatnot, who cares?  I have already provided criteria for selection and it applies to me as well.

It shouldn't be THAT hard to do if you use your left brain.  Once you mix in emotion and "fairness" and feelgood shit, nevermind the disproportionality of impact, then you have a recipe for people not being able to stomach the outcome.

See, we long ago left the point where answers were right and wrong.  Now they are only acceptable or unacceptable.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:08 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Right, I AM a coward because I MIGHT "fold".

You are such an idiot.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Stanwick
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why constantly be a self righteous cunt you trroll?

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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What's a cunt? sounds delicious.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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only if you don't let it sit out to long.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Theta_Burn
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Dont interfere, this is forum GOLD

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:31 | Link to Comment trav7777
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you would fold like origami, punk.  You already have.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment BlackMagician
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TRAV7777= I HATE ANYONE NOT WHITE MALE

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:19 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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I agree.  This pair didn't make the rules.  They were just smart enough to understand what the rules are and how to take advantage of them.  We're just pissed because we weren't as smart as they were.  Them being black, and therefor "stupid" -- who's really the stupid ones? --, only makes us feel worse.  Unfortunately crime does pay in 21st century America.  All the way from this couple to the very top at JPM and "our elected representatives".

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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thats sociopathic

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment vato poco
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"They are theives, nothing more."

Maybe. OTOH, maybe they're people who took careful notes when they went & saw 'Titanic'. IIRC my Titanic lore, J. Bruce Ismay - Chairman & CEO of White Star Lines - made sure he got his sorry bitch ass into a lifeboat. Meanwhile, his minions were doing their best to keep the rabble in steerage belowdecks so as not to incovenience their betters clamoring for boat space, "women and children" be damned. Over the years, I've seen ZH-ers use the Titanic analogy repeatedly when describing the economy, the country, and what's ahead for the world. The lessons of 1912, 1913, 1929, 2008, and Obaminflation are crystal clear: The old rules do not apply, if they ever did. And the proles didn't break the covenant: the scum who gutted American manufacturing, education, innovation and competiton did. All while raking in hundreds of millions for themselves. THEY sank the ship, and now it's every man for himself. Tut-tutting the impudent proles scrambling into lifeboats instead of blasting the self-satisfied BSD dumbshits who drove the ship into the ice is.....tellling, I'd say, old boy.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:58 | Link to Comment centerline
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Nicely written.  Enjoyed it.  And yes, I fully agree.  Class warfare, moral hazard.... hell, might as well throw in some pro-life/womens-rights, gay rights, religion, race, Democrat/Republican, etc., and so on crap into the fire.  Most will squabble and fight right into the icy abyss... clueless about what really happened.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:20 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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aye, pretty much any meme not associated with "white, het, male" is a target for hate here. . . so much bitter, we should open a pub. . .

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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Actually, bogus flix aside, the lifeboats went out filled - or half empty - with mostly women and children inside, while hundreds of MEN stood aside and watched, then drowned; Ismay was an exception, and Lightoller - passed off as a "hero" - a fool and an incompetent. F***K Hollywood JewHistory.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 03:05 | Link to Comment vato poco
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OK. I'll bite. As i understand it, 5th Officer Lightoller was the guy - the only fucking guy - who went back into the wreck area to hunt for/save survivors in the water. True, he got there late - but then have read that life expectancy in water that cold is about 3 minutes, so he didn't have a lot of time. The rest of 'em didn't even bother. There's certainly no record of Chairman Ismay agitationg to go back and help, that's sure. ("I say! We should at least go back and steal their wallets, innit?")

So why again is Lightoller, the only guy who tried, a "fool" and an "incompetent"? Lemme guess: based on your post, is it ""cause he was a goddamn Jew!"?? So what were all the other White Star assholes 'captaining' the lifeboats who ran like scared bitches, letting the folks in the water scream and drown while they did not one fucking thing to help? What were they, CF? MEGA-Jews? Or just gutless Brit WASP pussies? Like the good, kind, brave Christian Ismay was?

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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Yes the banks are so honest too.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:18 | Link to Comment THECOMINGDEPRESSION
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The banks can steal from YOU, but if the public does..GOD FORBID! They sell you 100 dollar bill, made for a measely sum of 5 cents. The public thinks that's a good deal. DUMB SHEEP.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment Theta_Burn
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Maybe it was their intention, but you got to ask, are they really that clever or are they being "advised" on what to do

I'd say 100% they are, and i bet those invoices get paid ahead of time..

This is simply disgusting

Let it go Trav, this post is Tyler made for you...

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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indeed, this is the most obvious clickbait anger rousing post in a while - the detailed close-ups with attendant inflammatory highlighted text . . . tabloid.  this post is playing to the known demographics here.

weigh up the percentage of non-black people playing the system - *cough* banking class for a start - and one will see that it's not about individuals as much as it is about systemic profiting from those who can.  this has NOTHING to do with "race" people, NOTHING.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment trav7777
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horseshit.

banking class is totally dominated by jews.  Moocher class dominated by blacks.  EVERYTHING to do with race.

Eliminate the moocher and banker class and you have HOLOCAUST or something.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:37 | Link to Comment MrTown3
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damn...spoke too soon

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