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Credit Card Fueled Binges No Longer Bring A Smile To US Consumers' Faces

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To be happy is to be confident. And at least until the recent past, in America to be confident, meant to have purchasing power, which pretty much always, at least for the bulk of the population, meant to lever up, i.e., to take on debt and to spend it on worthless crap. Well, as we reported earlier this week, in December the US population literally jumped head first right back into the credit frenzy, experiencing the largest jump in unadjusted consumer credit since the peak of the credit bubble. however, very much contrary to naive interpretations that this would reignite the economy, as Lance Roberts explained, and as Charles Hugh Smith confirmed showing plunging gasoline usage, it merely indicated that with savings again at record lows, US consumer have no choice but to dig deep into their credit card stash merely to pay for staples, and non-discretionary spending. And one hardly is happy when one purchases a roll of toiler paper (not to be confused with US Treasurys - there is far less than 15.4 trillion pieces of toiler paper in the world) on credit. Sure enough, as the following chart from John Lohman demonstrates, the recent (mini) reincarnation (because it will last at most a month or two) of the consumer credit bubble has done absolutely nothing for consumer confidence. In fact, today's UMichigan data showed a decline in confidence. Which shows  all one needs to know about just what the true state of the US consumer is...

 

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Fri, 02/10/2012 - 17:57 | 2147751 Texas Ginslinger
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I ride a bike to work whenever possible, weather and scedule permitting.  Blame some of the gas usage slump on me.

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:04 | 2147780 SemperFord
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I do the same thing and it only takes me 20 minutes more since I take the metro part of the way but I have been dropped twice in 3 years and if I really get hurt by a dumbass driver I'm going to wish I had just driven!!!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:07 | 2147792 Sudden Debt
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I drive my bike at least once a month... I try to ride it once a month and.... When it doesn't rain of course and..... And it isn't to cold and... Or hot.... And windy.... So i drove my bike last year and it was kind of fun. I think i might even do it this year also!

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:07 | 2148677 Janice
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I ride my bicycle, roller skate, don't drive no car
Don't go fast, but I go pretty far
Sometimes I feel that you're avoiding me
I'm okay alone, but you've got something I need.

Oh I've got a brand new pair of roller skates, you've got a brand new key.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 14:33 | 2149460 DavidC
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I was going to link the Queen video for 'Bicycle Race' but YouTube won't let me view it without signing in or creating an account that it might be inappropriate for some users...

No, I'm not joking!

DavidC

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 10:04 | 2150612 EnglishMajor
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Here are some statisitcs from 2005 regarding the number of people bicycling to work. Did these numbers suddenly double, triple, quadruple? Did Portland ban cars altogether? 

 

Percent of Trips to Work by Bicycle in Largest U.S. Cities

Bicycling rates are higher in cities than throughout states.  Employees in major U.S. cities are 1.7 times more likely to bike to work than those in the states surveyed. Portland, OR has the highest share of those who bike to work with 3.47 percent of all trips to work by bicycle, followed by  Minneapolis (with 2.42 percent) and Seattle (at 2.31 percent). Kansas City has the lowest bike share of work trips of all major U.S. cities with only 0.02 percent of work trips by bike.

http://trafficsafety.org/safety/sharing/bike/bike-facts/bicycling-to-work

And do people really bike to work in Minneapolis in the middle of winter?

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:08 | 2147797 Spastica Rex
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I ride my bike to the grocery store to buy rice and beans becasue I'm unemployed.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:21 | 2147827 CrashisOptimistic
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As I pointed out, Charles Hugh Smith is perpetually weak in analyzing matters oil relevant.

No, gasoline use did not fall because discretionary driving fell.  That's absurd.  Sunday afternoon drives with the family ended decades ago.

The reason we are seeing a fall in gas use is 1) unemployment and consequent reduction in commutes and 2) most importantly, compression of household total means 1 trip to the grocery store to stock up on necessities for 1household, not 3 or 4 households.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 15:08 | 2149535 TheMerryPrankster
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The december credit binge can be laid at the feet of old st. nick. Credit cards are used for travel and presents. December should be the peak,except for those who buy groceries and diapers with plastic.

Unsecured debt,aka credit cards will be the last thing the unemployed stop using but they have to be close to banging up against their credit limit by now.

So will the riots of the summer of 2012 be bigger than the riots of the summer of 2013?

People are reaching their limits, things are unravelling. desperation is being felt, fear cannot be far away. Desperate people will do desperate things.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:22 | 2147832 kito
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Spas you are far too witty to be unemployed.....

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:15 | 2148000 Esso
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Hey, how's the "KITO 2012 SNAP BEER" presidential campaign coming along?

The only guy I hear less about in the MSM is some dude named Ron Paul. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:29 | 2148358 Spastica Rex
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I keep looking for "Wit Wanted" advertisements in the paper, but so far nuthin'. Society rarely needs more than one Oscar Wilde at a time.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:13 | 2148453 lotsoffun
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have you tried re-elect-obama.com?  he is the funniest thing i've seen in decades - and he needs some new writers.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:57 | 2148529 rufusbird
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Joe Pine type TV anchors are always in demand if you can make the transmogrification...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:01 | 2148537 Ned Zeppelin
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Spastica totally rocks. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:33 | 2147870 HD
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Rice and beans are excellent - almost nutritionally complete.  Unfortunately, if that rice you are buying is grown in the southeast United States - it has a "perfectly safe" level of inorganic arsenic from pesticides used decades ago.

FDA denied it, then tried covered it up, then to spin it, now ignores it.

Gotta love America.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:02 | 2148117 Sam Clemons
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Brown basmati seems better for health.  Plus, rice should be soaked in a food grade hydrogen peroxide/water combo prior to cooking to improve digestibility and kill mold from processing and storage.

You would be amazed how much mold is on most rice, walnuts and barley.  Good quality beans aren't too bad.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:30 | 2148359 Spastica Rex
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Actually, I switched from rice to buckwheat groats. A little more expensive, but nutritionally superior, I think. 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:32 | 2148761 DaveyJones
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beans are easy to grow and return nitrogen to the soil. Fava beans are amazingly tough. They can grow right through a northwest winter and you can eat the leaves. Brown rice has the protein as well. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:09 | 2148440 lotsoffun
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arsenic isn't so bad - you can develop an immunity to it.  check out the ages old arsenic eaters assasins from mediteranean region.

 

 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:31 | 2148758 DaveyJones
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Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:12 | 2148691 smb12321
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Whereas Indian and Chinese rice is eco-friendly, safe and nutritious?   Their use of pesticides is like ours in the 60's.   In fact, the difference between usage now and then is stark since many rice types are modified against weeds.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:34 | 2148607 lasvegaspersona
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Riding a bike in Las Vegas is considered a suicide gesture....actually it is closer to an attempt

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 19:09 | 2149837 Freddie
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Hope & Change with the Democrat's muslim.

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 03:43 | 2150409 Deo vindice
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I ride my bike to the grocery store to buy rice and beans becasue I'm unemployed.

Hey. At least you're part of the % that has a bike!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:22 | 2147833 mumbo_jumbo
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SemperFord,

i think it's great that you ride your bike to work but i take issue with the stupid driver comment.  it's been my experience that it's the bike riders that have the 'stupid' label.  just today i almost ran over a biker......he was riding on the side walk going in the wrong direction. As i was pulling out he decieded to come off the side walk into oncoming traffic and pass in front of me as i was pulling out......he'd gotten really hurt had i not slammed on the breaks (and almost got rearended as someone else was behind me).

bike riders here in socal are out of control and ride as if they are a mix of pedistrain and automobile.....

just sayin.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:40 | 2147895 HungrySeagull
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I hit some shit on a bridge that was never cleaned up in the dark and did a face plant right in front of a heavy haul.

So there I lay hearing the air brakes and jacobs brakes kick in coming down on me figuring I was finished.

Truck driver got it stopped 10 feet from me.

I told him I was a driver too and he asked me what the *&^% am I doing on a *&^% bike?

I still have that bike. It's over 30 years old and unfit *As I am) for any more riding.

I use credit as a weapon because the account it draws from has cash in it. No worries.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:14 | 2147811 taniquetil
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Hey gas and insurance ain't cheap y'know. I walk to work, although it's getting mighty cold these days.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:24 | 2147838 LaLiLuLeLo
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I gave up my car in august albeit not by choice. Americans should take the initiative and get used to riding a bike before its necessary.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:34 | 2148609 SwingForce
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When you think about all the taxes and gov't fees that a car generates:


  1. Income tax on the factory worker
  2. Corporate tax on the factory
  3. Sales tax on the sale
  4. Income tax on the salesman
  5. Corporate tax on the Dealer
  6. Corporate tax on the Finance Company
  7. Insurance fees, income tax, etc to Insurance agency
  8. Title and license plate fees
  9. Yearly Registration fees
  10. Gasoline tax ( 70+ cents a gallon)
  11. Tolls on highways and bridges
  12. Parking Fees (Municipal, events)
  13. Tickets & Citations (parking, speeding, accidents)
  14. Sales tax again when 2nd owner buys used car
  15. Sales tax again when 3rd owner buys used car.....

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:36 | 2148063 ilion
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The US economy will collapse together with the Eurozone. ArmadaMarkets daily market digest said the most important development would be to watch Greek austerity package being approved this weekend. Greeks will most likely come to the streets en masse.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:17 | 2148157 nodhannum
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I drive my motorscooter if at all possible, which is a lot.  So far, I have put 22,000 miles on it in three years and that is going to go up.  Try 70 mpg for a change.  My truck which gets only 17 mpg, stays at home unless I need it for some heavy duty work.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:28 | 2148357 mlbs
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Hear, Hear. I got one of those cheap, generic, chinese scooters about 7 months ago. I crack up at all of the people in their giant trucks that gun it to pass me, only to have me catch up to them at the next red light.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:05 | 2148430 lotsoffun
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you have it right mister mlbs - but they have much bigger 'things' then you do.  and tv advertising has made most of us feel smaller with out big things.

 

my tv is 80 inches.  my freezer can handle two sides of beef.  my washing machine does thirty loads.  my wife has boobs the size of texas.  (they aren't real - but does that matter?)      :)

buy more, spend more and wait for obama bailouts.

 

 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:46 | 2148774 DaveyJones
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Boobs are a lot like Texas or should I say, parts of Texas. Some are filled with valuable fluids, others have dried out. Some are hotter than others but overall, as they get older, many tend to move south.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:13 | 2148963 duo
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Same here.  If the weather is nice, I can commute to work and back, including going out or home for lunch, for a week on a gallon of gas.  At my previous job I probably used 3 gal/day in city traffic.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:11 | 2149144 Abitdodgie
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I had a freind who bought one of those electric scooters to go around town ,in 12 months she put over 17,000 miles on it (on the same batts as well) it was chinese and i cannot say it was a pice of shit.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:17 | 2149030 cjbosk
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I drive my boat on weekends, twin 502's, 415 horsepower each, 60 gallon per hour consumption.  I love American made big blocks, brings a smile to my face only matched by the exhaust note!  I cannot be credited for a plummeting fuel usage.

As for the article, credit cards now being used to for utilities, so says Rosenberg....this won't end well.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 17:56 | 2147752 drink or die
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Gotta pay for alcohol and firearms somehow.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:06 | 2147791 Reformed Sheep
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It'd be interesting to see some sort of correlation between so-called survivalist items being purchased and the surge in spending (or debt accrual). If this is a last gasp splurge before cards are maxed out, essentials (and the means to protect them) are probably top of the list for a lot of people...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:57 | 2148419 dwdollar
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Yes it would. I remember reading somewhere that guns were a popular gift for Christmas.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:06 | 2148674 Osmium
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I bought another gun 3 weeks ago.  The gun shop was doing a brisk business that day 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:37 | 2148775 DaveyJones
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that's because they remind us of Jesus

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:22 | 2148574 Wolf-Avatar
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VERY salient point there, Reformed Sheep, I would love to see that correlation.

I wonder just how high the coefficient would be.

It would completely change the look of things wouldn't it?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:06 | 2147980 Pool Shark
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Don't you mean:

Alcohol

Tobacco

Firearms

(who brought the chips?...)

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 17:56 | 2147753 Stoploss
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Vindication is sweet.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 17:58 | 2147756 lolmao500
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Other fun facts about credit cards :

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Debt_Slavery%3A_30_Facts_About_Debt_In_Am...

#1 Today, 46% of all Americans carry a credit card balance from month to month.

#4 Right now, there are more than 600 million active credit cards in the United States.

#5 For households that have credit card debt, the average amount of credit card debt is an astounding $15,799.

#6 If you can believe it, one out of every seven Americans has at least 10 credit cards.

#9 There is one credit card company out there, First Premier, that charges interest rates of up to 49.9 percent.  Amazingly, First Premier has 2.6 million customers.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:10 | 2147799 Texas Ginslinger
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Deadbeat, here.   Wife and I never carry cc debt.

Several years ago I signed up for a Costco / American Express cc that has no annual fee.  Asked the sales lady how they expected to make $$ on me and she said "They hope you carry a balance and only pay the minimum."       Yea, like that would ever happen...

Who else is a deadbeat - the term credit card companies use for folks who never carry a balance...?????  Have prudly been a deadbeat since the day I got my first cc.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:13 | 2147812 lolmao500
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I am. Never had a credit card.

One of my friend made 800$ in the last few years with his.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:16 | 2147819 taniquetil
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I'm definitely in the same boat as you. But my dad is definitely the king of deadbeats.

 

Although I think people like my dad may be skewing those numbers. It's not bad to own multiple credit cards as long as you pay them off. He has one that gives more rewards on gas. He has one that gives extra rewards on groceries. He has one that gives extra airline miles if you use it to buy airplane tickets. And then he has an Excel spreadsheet hanging over the kitchen that tells him what card to use to pay for what and which months certain cards have different rewards.

 

I lack his dedication.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:21 | 2147830 lolmao500
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Damn. Your dad really sticks it to the banks. Good for him!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:26 | 2147846 taniquetil
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More like he sticks it to the dumbasses who run up their cards on Apple products. Think of it being long on People Being Debt Slaves (ticker: IRDUMB)

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:28 | 2147855 AldousHuxley
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pay your student loan off with credit cards, buy big screen TVs, guns, then declare personal bankrupcy.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:19 | 2148163 nodhannum
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Now your onto something there Aldous!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:52 | 2148405 HungrySeagull
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Our Lender will not take credit card as payment.

They are getting smarter.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:55 | 2148410 slyhill
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Cash advance! Build your limit with regular payments, then strick at once!

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:06 | 2148959 Taint Boil
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That is what this guy did. Funny Story on Patrick.net about sticking it to the Banksters.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:01 | 2149016 MachoMan
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just get a forbearance in perpetuity and wait for the student loan principal reduction handout to get some assclown elected or keep the mob at bay.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:52 | 2148407 slyhill
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I love that. I see Jimmy Johns written all over that!

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:10 | 2148685 Osmium
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Don't forget the ammunition.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 07:32 | 2148915 Pemaquid
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That only works if your income justifies a cc with a limit high enough to pay off the student loans. Not the case for most.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:29 | 2147857 Sudden Debt
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NOW THAT'S FINANCIAL PLANING!! WAW!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:48 | 2148383 slyhill
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TU, Me too. I've got a bp (ya, boo hiss) get 5% back for bp purchases (unfortunately, my job (fortunate to have one) requires travel.) I've got hh for the points = free Hilton stays. Never paid a penny in interest. I get $25 check every month. One free hotel a quarter. It isn’t hard. They bet you are stupid. Enough must be, or these freebies wouldn't exsist. And because I can't get a decent return on my savings, I feel compeled to get AlL tHe FReeBIES I POSSIBLEY CAN!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:00 | 2148427 lotsoffun
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at the bottom of the cheerios box, there is a free toy.  i eat throught it faster to get to the toy.  doctor told me i'm obese.  i wonder why?

sarcasm off.  let's take some pride in what we do and dump the sociopaths manipulating us.  if my income is x - spend x and live within your family means.  if you want to buy a box of cereal - buy it.  don't sell me free toys.  if you are mcdonalds - sell me (the worst food possible) - but take some pride in it and don't manipulate me with 'free' monopoly' tickets to win a trillion dollars because i ate your burgers.  leave the monopoly to the gamblers and make me a good product and people will purchase it.

i don't want 'free' redeem points on my credit card purchases that spur me to buy more that i don't need with money i don't have.  i want to purchase what i need to live a decent llife and pay a fair price that insures the seller makes money and their employees (think apple?) don't make 70 cents an hour.

 

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:08 | 2147987 Rincewind
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Same here. I have been using credit cards for long time and never paid a cent of interest.

For a while now, I have cash rewards card, where I get percentages back. Would be stupid not to use it...

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:10 | 2148317 Mike North
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7 years ago I over paid my MasterCard by $10 and cut it up. Every month I get a letter saying they owe me $10. It has no annual fee and they hate me the most!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:45 | 2148392 cbxer55
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My wife and I have no ccs either. Been without since about 2002. Ten years.  ;-)

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 03:22 | 2150426 Deo vindice
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Bravo!  There is no better way to get even with the banks than to simply get out of their system.

I bought a car awhile back for cash. The dealer didn't quite know what to do with someone who walked into the office and had cash to purchase from him.

If it wasn't so sad, it would have been funny.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:05 | 2148546 swmnguy
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Deadbeat here.  I had a bad business situation a long time ago that forced to live cash-only until about 15 years ago, by which time I was 30 and had developed some habits.  I have a few credit cards now but really only use the one that gives me frequent flier miles.  I've set up those utilities that will do it for free to bill directly to my various cards to keep them all active and pay the balance in full each month.  One of my Chase cards has me at 7.9% and a $25,000 limit.  My Capital One, by contrast, has been at $1,000 and 14.9% for ten years.  It's hilarious.  Neither is enticing me to get on the dope train, but it's funny to see which cards try which strategies.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:34 | 2148718 I should be working
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I'm a total deadbeat. 4 credit cards credit score 820, yeah bitchez

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 03:23 | 2150427 Deo vindice
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I am working to get a credit score of '0'.

Real success will come when they type my name in and nothing comes up.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:41 | 2149212 roadhazard
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I have one card, never carry a balance. I hope I can max it out just before the hammer falls.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 14:48 | 2149495 Nobody For President
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Proudly deadbeat.

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 00:40 | 2150239 dolph9
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Proud deadbeat.  I only use my two cards to make purchases, and get cash back in the process.  With the cash back I, of course, buy more gold and silver.

Fuck the banksters.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 17:59 | 2147764 Ineverslice
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Hardly driving for the past six months.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:01 | 2147770 Burr's 2nd Shot
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Hmm, looks like the last big spike was right around Y2K.  I wonder what that means...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:29 | 2148193 true brain
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it doesn't mean a damn thing because it's not real.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:06 | 2147790 true brain
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Come on guy: you guys are not going to fall for that gasoline usage decrease are you? That number is manipulated to justify the Iran war coming in this summer. The logic is simple: less gasoline use equals less demand of crude oil from Iran, paving the way for invasion of Iran with minimal consequences. I can't wait to see that war. Pop corn please.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:09 | 2148552 Ned Zeppelin
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The reduction in gas purchases was reported elsewhere as well

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/02/petroleum-3-month-rolling-average-turns.html

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 13:13 | 2149269 Abitdodgie
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Of course gas consumption has gone down world wide, America keeps killing everyone.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:08 | 2147796 tony bonn
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"...And one hardly is happy when one purchases a toll [sic - roll] of toiler paper on credit...."

however, said purchase with paper bills is actually a fair trade which hardly merits the expenditure of gas....and thus the plunge in gas consumption....americans have stopped going to the store for toilet paper because they are instead wiping their asses with frn in an economizing move - a move not to be confused with said bowel movements....

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:11 | 2147805 A Lunatic
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I'm glad I don't live in Michigan.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:15 | 2147817 element115
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I drive my new Range Rover, on 22's, with the AC on and the windows down, because I can.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:26 | 2147843 kalasend
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Of course you can, until you tap the last ounce out of that credit card

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:52 | 2148645 Havana White
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Element:  Congrats, you're officially a dick.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:43 | 2149216 roadhazard
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Go for it, son.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 18:46 | 2149798 koperniuk666
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im with you there element. fuck it. i earnt it cos im smarter than everyone else.

and anyway gas is cheap in switzerland.

 

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:41 | 2147900 flattrader
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Coming Soon--"Total Recall"--Staring Gov. Scott Walker

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:37 | 2148065 grid-b-gone
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Tobacco money was used similarly. It was supposed to be for long-term health issues and to decrease tobacco usage.

No pile of money is safe when held for future needs by a public entity. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:28 | 2147853 Schmuck Raker
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"Confidence is very Sexy, don't you think?"

- Palance
Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:28 | 2147854 Frastric
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When you buy toilet rolls with a credit card you know things are bad...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:33 | 2147871 gookempucky
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 there is far less than 15.4 trillion pieces of toiler paper in the world) on credit.

My question is this ---- is it single ply or 2 ply---Im thinking single ply.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:42 | 2147907 Caviar Emptor
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The post-Holiday slump is already evident. Lots of store closings. The hangover will last longer because of the bump in credit card debt. Everyone was smoking the hopium that "the economy will turn around". Oops. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:42 | 2147909 VyseLegendaire
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...Good times.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:44 | 2147915 Scalaris
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I only apply for credit cards so that I can buy iPads on credit, sell it in Japan for cash/organ payments in order to flip healthy livers in the black market for wealthy clients who are dying from alcoholism.

But that's only to finance my real estate buying spree/habit in the US, my butter speculation in Norway, and my foray into the Greek black market for stolen pharmaceuticals from bankrupt hospitals.

 

- shrewd investor / entrepreneur / moralist

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:19 | 2148164 Dermasolarapate...
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Sounds like you have an MBA from a top 10 school with a solid business model.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:56 | 2148654 Scalaris
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Thank you Sir, I've been known to roll with the best.

I also supply Kim Jong Un with proprietary (semi-legal) fat-burners and pimped out hybrid Kia Optimas (metallic dark cherry only - don't ask) for his cabinet. 

 

I can also find beluga whales and ocelots for a substantial discount - tweet me on facebook if you are interested. Cheers. 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 08:25 | 2148941 PolishHammer
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My good friend Jon Corzine is looking for work, would you mind giving him an interview?

He seems a good match and his work ethic is non-existent.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:48 | 2149113 Scalaris
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I don't know, the other time he insisted on paying me with Italian bonds for some reason.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 18:50 | 2149802 koperniuk666
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butter in  norway? thanks for the tip

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:57 | 2147953 non_anon
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if the dumbed down masses wake up and stop spending, especially on credit, and buy the essentials, including precious metals, collapse the corrupt system!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 18:59 | 2147960 chet
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I've resorted to the credit card a few times over the last year, and I hate it every time.  It pisses me off until I get it paid down.  Using credit is the opposite of "consumer confidence" in my case.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:01 | 2147966 Yen Cross
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BarFrnankeinstien i guess the pie slicer would make it easier.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:04 | 2147976 Seasmoke
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looking at the pile of credit cards balances (unsecured debt) that i have laid to waste brings a smile to my face daily

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:53 | 2148104 zerotohero
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Just today I bought 12 rolls of double ply on sale $4.50 (cdn) - I just about shit.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 19:06 | 2149828 HungrySeagull
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16 rolls of paper towels at half off.

If I had credit I would have made another trip.

However, it's hard competing against a city preparing for a ice event.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:17 | 2148158 Dermasolarapate...
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I see more and more people runnin gup their cards to the max and then refusing to pay. How do they get the cards in the first place when they are already behind on other cards?

One neighbor stopped paying over $53k on her cards and one of those large hardware/home decorating stores gave her a brand new one to remodel her house?!

Something has to give imo. This farce seems to be endless....

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:06 | 2148675 Havana White
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FYI, Amex is the most aggressive in pursuing cc fraud (planned default).  They're not reluctant to take abusers to court, even over 5 or 10K and after successful BK (BK doesn't shield from fraud).

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:45 | 2149108 GrinandBearit
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Plenty of ways to get around this.  Most people too dumb to figure it out. 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:04 | 2149127 Waterfallsparkles
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Dermasolar,

With 33% interest the Credit Card Companies break even in 3 months on the balance.  Or, at even 20% interest the make the principal back in 5 months.  So, where is the loss if someone stops paying say in 1 year?

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 19:12 | 2149843 Dermasolarapate...
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water, I did not know that but suspected the losses had to be passed on to others who do not pay their full blalance each month. It's sort of like my health insurance that soared 42% the last year. The insurer says,"it's to pay for Obamacare...you are paying for the people who are not paying for their insurance."

People like me are going to run out of money supporting those who do not pay.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:36 | 2148212 John Law Lives
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The SNAP/Food Stamps participation level increased again in November, 2011 vs. October, 2011 (the data was released on February 3, 2012).

http://frac.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/snapdata2011_november.pdf

Nothing says recovery like ~1 in 7 Americans on SNAP/Food Stamps...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:06 | 2148547 dark pools of soros
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more texans BY NUMBER than in cali.. that is the stat of the decade.. all those high talking great state fools.... you suck

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:39 | 2148620 John Law Lives
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Texas is proud to claim Ron Paul as a citizen and a Congressman.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:12 | 2148322 sadpanda
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Ran up one of my credit cards on buying silver eagles. Transfered the balance for 15 months 0%. One of the cards was Jp morgan chase card. Fuck them and their short silver postions. 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:45 | 2149109 GrinandBearit
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Bingo.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:55 | 2148412 HungrySeagull
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I think we once slapped a transfer onto a Chase 0% intro for a few months and managed to make it vanish without a penny of interest.

At the time our minimum was 300, interest 400 and when we moved to -0% with the threat of 29.0 something percent, we paid it off with it all done.

They did not treat us too well after that.

Every year at tax time my preparer asks me how much bank interest did you earn.

I would laugh and say shit for nothing incoming and dozens in interest TO the bank for the credit. HAH. /sarc.

But Metal is good and there will be a day....

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:07 | 2148435 angelsand
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you may not be giving credit where credit is due lol, the proles are smarter than you think, you see without savings interest and protection against the banks, the best strategy is to sign up for the 0$ card for 15 months with 5x the cash back points, pay it off before it is due, take the cash, close the account, and move on to another bank, why would you spend just plain cash when plain cash buys you so much 5x more? even reggie simpleton can figure that one out

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:14 | 2148458 BKbroiler
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I learned my lessons.  Debt free since 2008. No mortgage, no credit cards, I owe nobody cept my mama for givin me life.

"Hello, my name is BKbroiler, and I'm a debtaholic"

"Hi BK"

"It's been 4 years since my last swipe"

 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 08:21 | 2148937 PolishHammer
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I too last swiped in 2008.  Life is good.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:30 | 2149044 Temporalist
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I don't wipe anymore either... Wait what were we talking about?

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 00:36 | 2150231 dolph9
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I have no debt and have personally decided that I'm never going into debt, ever again, not even a mortgage.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:19 | 2148469 Yen Cross
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 The gaps are filled. SUNDAY

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:21 | 2148755 Mister Minsk
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For everything else, there's Mastercard...

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 13:01 | 2149251 DaveyJones
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they've modified the motto and removed the "else"

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 05:33 | 2148875 Zero Govt
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So consumers get even deeper in debt and consumer confidence drops.. this is how it's supposed to work isn't it?

I mean if they spent like say the GOP and Democratoc Parties and felt over-confident (euphoric) isn't that the root of Americas mess?!!

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:24 | 2149038 watmann
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I believe the credit card data that is used to support the consumer demand statements is flawed by the inclusion of the number of credit cards that have been issued to small to medium sized business that are using them to pay vendors and also using them for payment from customers, The reward points that are issued are fueling vactaions and other items for sales people of these entities and other fringes. The credit cards have become a signifincat part of our shadow economy and is providing bridge liquidity for small business. The addition of this shadow financing is driving both the reproted numbers and earnings of the credit card industry. The results that you seeing in no way reflect the lack luster retail reprots that have been reproted. This is why in my opinion your post of todayshows this marked difference.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:38 | 2149050 rsnoble
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I went from 30k credit card debt to nothing in about 5 years. It sucked ass. I now have zero credit card and use a debit card in places where id need one. I think part of the problem in the rise of use, asides being broke, is that I get credit card offers in the mail all the time trying to entice me. They go in the trash. I've heard many other people say this also.  Wasn't that dodd-frank crap supposed to help people?  The offers I get these days seem draconian to years past.  This is one group of assholes ill never deal with again.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 13:12 | 2149264 DarkStarDog
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Maxed out cc over two years ago. Cant repay, now they sue. I got nuttin. Me file.bankruptcy.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 16:40 | 2149661 Olympia
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Global Debt Crisis

The greatest private fraud of human history.
Who are the great fraudsters who are becoming the murderers of the human kind? How does the economy "illness" threaten Democracy and the freedom of people?

http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html
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By knowing what happened in indebted Greece, where loan sharks created “bubbles” and the current inhuman debt, one can understand the inhuman plan in total ...understand where this plan started just to bring all states at the same end ...understand how this type of plans are established...

Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU

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