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Credit Closes at Lows As Equity Ends At Highs

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Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:32 | 1867758 GeneMarchbanks
Thu, 11/10/2011 - 18:16 | 1867933 junkyardjack
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The deadline for the review will be after all futures brokers can figure out how to segregate client funds without blowing up

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:13 | 1868133 Hard1
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Moylcorp (MCP) the bubble getting pricket this afternoon.  Despite their misleading name, rare earths are actually abundant and cheap to extract.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:34 | 1867774 Deadpool
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could be rotation out of debt into equities for Santa Clause rally.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:34 | 1867777 oogs66
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jobless claims?  equities are all so afraid of missing the next bailout - which technically is still the same bailout because it never got finished


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 20:56 | 1868411 LooseLee
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Anyone who advocates, supports, awaits, or desires bailouts is the very definition of a Fascist/Communist/Socialist. They are Un-AMERICAN to the CORE and will end up with bulleseyes on their foreheads when TRUTH prevails......

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:36 | 1867785 Belarus
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I'm going to stop reading these end of day "trading" pieces. They don't help me with anything actionaable, which I'm sure says more about me than the summary piece but for me I've realized it's a waste of time reading it.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:40 | 1867809 Deadpool
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thanx for sharing. now go pull your pud...put don't tell us about it.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:43 | 1867820 Belarus
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Deadpool, you should put on the "I'll take it in the ass for ZH" t-shirts anytime now. you'll look good in it. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:47 | 1867839 Deadpool
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The Tylers are our hosts, dontcha know. You can read Marketwatch or yahoo finance if you'd like. Internet is still free...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:57 | 1867873 Nucking Futs
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don't you know?  down is the new up.  and as someone made an astute observation a couple of days ago.. no means yes, and yes means harder.  right now the markets are saying no, but soon they'll be saying yes to QE.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:41 | 1867816 Caviar Emptor
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Africa's Western Black Rhino is officially extinct


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:48 | 1867835 SheepDog-One
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African 'Native Peoples' should have stopped poaching them for China consumption at $5,000 a gram. 

Then they blame it on 'the environment' yea OK lmao...see its 'your fault' of course.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 18:06 | 1867894 RobD
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Well of coarse it is extinct. The damn thing has great hearing but when it hears the poacher cock the hammer it can't see anything because it has this huge horn sticking up right in it's line of sight which makes it cross eyed just like those glasses Steve Martin's character invented in the move The Jerk. Darwin at work my friend.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 20:24 | 1868294 Reptil
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Darwinism? You mean that delusional apes (us) murder pivotal species in their biotope for some deranged idea about ingrown hair (which is what the horn actually consists of; hair)? That we're working very HARD the last oh say 50 years to make our planet totally uninhabitable for ourselves?
It's NOT a "thing", it's a living creature with DNA related to ours. It's demise brings ours closer. Everything's connected.

Usually the next step is that someone comments "yes but the planet will survive", which makes our impending demise even more stupendous.

FWIW today's catch from the sea of information:
the good
the bad
and the ugly

sorry for the OT, I feel compelled to react, this fake "wildlife conservation" has been on my mind since seeing this today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAxAAU9QZ0

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:18 | 1868592 RobD
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It was a joke dude, lighten up.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:43 | 1867823 Silver Bug
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Well that was a interesting day to say the least.



Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:43 | 1867826 SheepDog-One
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All indicators point to a dead economy, collapsed banking system totaly reliant on 0% free money yet still insolvent, Eurozone bankrupt with no possible solution other than breakup and even then nothing is fixed, all with equities near all time highs....yet somehow all is well for today, and next day.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:45 | 1867833 Deadpool
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Picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:49 | 1867853 Caviar Emptor
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....and China, HK circling the drain, dragging down shipping and emerging markets. 

The transformation since 2008 is now complete: A corporate welfare state now exists with a social welfare state dependent on it. Without the money printing press on full blast 24/7 and jackbooted "peace officers" there's nothing holding it up

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:22 | 1868156 mynhair
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Sounds totally bullisht!


(dam t's)

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:46 | 1867838 0cz
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I miss the glory days.  Just to think....only 2 months ago I was living in a world where the markets actually reflected the economic atmosphere:


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 18:22 | 1867967 Manthong
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A blast from the past.

I'm sure glad all of that craziness is behind us.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:49 | 1867852 wrs
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Very strange last half hour.  The SPX feed was showing spikes down to 1230 all day long and they came and went.  There are several places with RT charts that displayed them so either they were real or data but they were from the exchange.   The last half hour saw a lot of volume compared to the rest of the day, more than normal it seemed to me.  I thought that there was a hedge fund liquidating in that last half hour and someone was just buying everything in sight to hold the market up.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:50 | 1867857 scatterbrains
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Full moon today bitchez and going into 11/11/11 tomorrow.  100+  /ES points down would look awful pretty on the charts.


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:50 | 1867858 wrs
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Very strange last half hour.  The SPX feed was showing spikes down to 1230 all day long and they came and went.  There are several places with RT charts that displayed them so either they were real or data but they were from the exchange.   The last half hour saw a lot of volume compared to the rest of the day, more than normal it seemed to me.  I thought that there was a hedge fund liquidating in that last half hour and someone was just buying everything in sight to hold the market up.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:54 | 1867870 wrs
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Very strange last half hour.  The SPX feed was showing spikes down to 1230 all day long and they came and went.  There are several places with RT charts that displayed them so either they were real or data but they were from the exchange.   The last half hour saw a lot of volume compared to the rest of the day, more than normal it seemed to me.  I thought that there was a hedge fund liquidating in that last half hour and someone was just buying everything in sight to hold the market up.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 18:05 | 1867887 mynhair
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wrs, what feed were you watching?  Use Scottrade here, and they are notorious for strange data spikes and drops.  They even show up in T&S, but the time stamps are off.  Switch to a different interval, and they disappear.  Switch back and they are gone.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 18:38 | 1868035 wrs
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The one on Yahoo for the S&P chart and then on another website I follow they have a live feed that is charted and it was spiking all day long. I haven't observed this behavior before.  Interestingly enough, the spikes are retained in the data.  Here is the final chart from Yahoo today.


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:09 | 1868115 mynhair
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WTF?  That's 3 more than I saw today.  Who knows in this crooked market?  I've been seeing this kind of stuff for a year, but get no answers from Scottrade.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 18:05 | 1867893 slaughterer
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I get the sense that this is a calculated sell off to the bottom fishing dip buyers, as a set up for a nice two-week decline to 1000.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 18:19 | 1867943 chump666
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Smart money (which is getting dumber) was gamed by HFT waiting for fat momo trades.  You go long in this market you are going to get fleeced.

Strange session, that and the flat rally, the ECB do the print job, and they probably did something last session,  it might not fix credit spreads.  Then there is the inflation trade as everyone jumps into oil.  Which Germany (close to recession) and France (done) will love.

No one is taking this market higher.  HFT's ony offer that illusion of support.  Can't see equities holding up much longer.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:14 | 1868137 reggiehammond
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Please keep in mind the S&P is APPRECIABLY LOWER THAN 1998-2000 so money in the market for the past decade is basically DEAD FUCKING MONEY especially when you factor inflation FUCK YOUR %10 HERE AND THERE (if you can even afford to pay the inflation associated with health care). What we are really looking at is a circus that is becoming more and more antiquated and disfigured by time and circumstance. In bygone years, people would go to circus and watch the amazing clowns and animals defy preconceived notions. What a spectacle to see someone shot out of a cannon!!!! Then the masses started to realize that the circus treated the animals like shit and the performers were generally weirdo junkies. Now people aren't really going to the circus giving a fuck about lion jumps or dudes with helmets on a tightrope. Basically our society fucked up and gave these pricks way TOO MUCH POWER AND INFLUENCE. THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THINGS IS TO INFECT ELITE CALL GIRLS WITH DEADLY STDS AND RAISE THEIR HOURLY RATES SO WALL ST EXECS/CEOS/SPITZERS GET IN A PISSING CONTEST TO FUCK THE GIRLS WITH THE EBOLA/AIDS HYBRID. THEN WE CAN LOWER THE PRICE SO MIDDLE MANAGEMENT GETS A TASTE AND THEN I WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BEACH ON A NICE DAY AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT AMERICA.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:24 | 1868166 mynhair
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...and cheers to you!



Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:31 | 1868187 madbuilder
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SIR: arguably the best solution i have yet to hear.  but i wouldnt want to jeapordize the well-being of the call-girls being they are the only morality based actors in such a transaction.  can we just main line the pricks?

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 20:33 | 1868343 Reptil
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this might get you in the right direction: http://www.crabrevenge.com/index.html



Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:17 | 1868147 chump666
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Just got wire reports on Goldman calls for FX plays...it's all USD weakness.  Goldman are getting dumber by the day.  The do realize that there is only a slight pause in the EU endgame, Italy yields (10yr) are still  4% high from last 'auction'.  And the German wing of the ECB may can the bond buying insanity.  Y'know, the Germans are paranoid of inflation and the like.

EUR is overbought relative to the European sh*tstorm.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:27 | 1868173 mynhair
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I don't think the EUR is oversold.  Our sh*tstorm beats their sh*tstorm hands down.

We have ODummer, and his voters.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:35 | 1868190 chump666
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To form one massive sh*tstorm?  Yeah I can dig that.  But order of collapse Europe, US, then China (which will be the end of everything)

In the meantime  some money to be made here.  Friday night sushi, Sake (vodka is better), good female company etc etc

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:58 | 1868261 chump666
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 can smell a 7% again as the ECB/Europe implodes. C'mon Silvio, you gamed these a-holes last time, you aint gonna let some dumbass economic butnut take your country?  As for Greece...what a joke that county is...

Lets go.

BERLIN (Dow Jones)--European Central Bank executive board member Juergen Stark Thursday reiterated that the central bank wouldn't overstep its mandate and agree to monetize public debt, throwing more cold water on calls for the ECB to assume a more proactive role in combating the euro-zone's debt and banking crisis.
Stark's comments come as the focus of the euro-zone debt and banking crisis shifts to Italy, where government bond yields have soared to what are likely unsustainable levels due to uncertainty about the government's ability to cut debt and shore up the economy.
"We won't allow any monetization of public debts," Stark said in a speech Thursday night in Berlin. Proponents of more active ECB intervention to fight the crisis have called for broader bond buying by the central bank in countries like Italy.
Stark suggested unlimited bond buying would overstep the ECB's independence and core mandate to promote price stability. The central bank has repeatedly cautioned that its bond buying program is temporary and aimed at restoring the transmission of its monetary policy to the economy.
Stark called moves by Greece to make former ECB Vice President Lucas Papademos its next prime minister, and the likely selection of Mario Monti to lead Italy's government "a slap in the face" to the politically incapable class in those countries.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 20:21 | 1868312 dcb
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as someone who trades, I expect equity to open down and credit to open high. they just trqade differently. credit always trades back to baseline,equity races  ahead.so in general it is better to be short equity long credit at the open. edpending on situation of course.


I like trading credit because it gies back to baseline much more often than equity. I find myself often shorting equity waiting for it to go back to my entry point, see yesterdays action) where credit seems to prefer to go back to a base. in equity if you fuck up the initial trade (esp in this environmet) it haunts you credit gives you a chance to go ack to a baseline.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 20:37 | 1868355 mynhair
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But that reverse split in TMV was meant for us peons to stay out of shorting TSY long bonds.

The bastards.  Totally unwarranted.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:58 | 1868543 WhiteNight123129
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Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:10 | 1869021 undercover brother
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if the powers that be sensed the shit was going to hit the fan and all this negative news meant anything, the S&P would be down into the 800s or lower by now and the dollar would be over 90.  but they're not.  why?  because none of this crap matters. the fed's new mandate has been to rescue the stock market at all costs, even if the result is full currency debasement and inflation. and despite the fact the treasury has been raided for generations to come, now the fed has decided to rescue europe too.  hey, at least a rallying stock market  keeps grandma and her 401k hedging the cost of inflation, not to mention voting for the incumbents.    Every dip is bought, every sell off reversed within 2 days.  the euro will not die, the dollar pops then reverses that lower.   this is full on bull market action primed by the money printers.   Its' exactly the same as the QE1, QE2 & QE2.5 days.  step back and think about your shorts because if you think we're going lower any time soon, you're just wrong.  moral hazard is back. BTFD baby!

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 02:26 | 1869138 Bear
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I don't this deviation is too strange ... equities have been deviating from fundamentals for over two years now.

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