Credit Suisse: "Debt Ceiling Hike Delay: Market Down 15%; Default: Market Down 30%+"

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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:49 | 1501057 SheepDog-One
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You better print some more unrepayable DEBT up in this joint or else bad things is about to happen to ya'lls!!

Signed- Wu Tang Clan, Obamas senior advisory staff.

PS- Memo to the media, Old Dirty Bastard has changed his name to 'Old Dirty Chinese Restaruant'.

PPS- Diversify yo bonds, bitchez!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:05 | 1501154 baby_BLYTHE
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Timmah's worried about a default/downgrade only because it puts the cashflow to his primary dealer butt-buddies at risk

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:34 | 1501224 caerus
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LOL that shows not on anymore

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:38 | 1501063 BrianOFlanagan
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no mention of gold?  So let's discuss it here.

I say, no debt deal = gold plunges.  Rationale: the resulting forced austerity would be highly deflationary.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:42 | 1501082 SheepDog-One
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I never look at PM's as a daytrade like most people do, wondering if it will be up a couple bucks or down, its for LONG after the USD fiat piece of trash is defaulted, and we somehow or other rise from the ashes. And even then, theres no guarantee it will do you any good, in fact likely to make you a target of the New World Govt.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:50 | 1501113 Hedgetard55
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And the local warlord.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:31 | 1501191 Ahmeexnal
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Even more dangerous:  golddiggers

There's a reason they're called gold diggers and not creditcard diggers or dollar diggers.

some women do know gold is money


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:58 | 1501131 BrianOFlanagan
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this has nothing to do with day trading.  If the US ends up putting steep austerity measures in place, either as a result of default or politicians coming to terms with the long-term issues that got us to this point - that will be the end of the gold bull market.

The dollar can still be saved, but only if dramatic changes are taken or forced upon us right now.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:27 | 1501208 Transitory Anomaly
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"politicians coming to terms with the long-term issues that got us to this point"

LOL good one, that a joke right?


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:04 | 1501323 el Gallinazo
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The Owners overrule the politicians.  Case in point, when Volker hit the economy over the head with a 12 pound sledge to kill runaway inflation in its tracks, it killed any chance that Carter would have a second term.  It's the economy, stupid.  Remember, the politicians are sock puppets to the Owners.  And if people don't like starving or freezing to death, there is always the $1T+ military / DHS.  Their budget is off the table.  I see a sixth front coming in the Long War - the USA.  To quote that weird astronomer on late night PBS, "keep looking up!"  But not for (yo)Uranus - rather for  Preditor drones.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:03 | 1501517 Reptil
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"Steep Austerity Measures" ????
pffff go visit Athens see how that works out. you'll see a bunch of greek working hard....................... making molotov cocktails.

the problem is a loss of production capacity, because of outsourcing in the eightties and nineties. part of the global economy, the american so feverishly advocated, and still do... saving cost by not having to pay workers' pesky healthcare, or worry about environmental concerns. Granted, taxation in the USA suffocated the business that decided to stay (mostly small - medium). And guess what.... outsourcing... it also has a downside. it means the USA is destined to become a wildlife reservation. get used to it, or move to a country that kept it's production intact despite globalist pressure.

Moreover, to think that this can now be "fixed" somehow is "pie in the sky" thinking. The looting will continue, until the looters are thrown out, just like in Argentina almost a decade ago. Even if you'd roll out the guillotines, and restructure the banks overnight, it would still mean collapse, I'm sorry to say.

It's the jobs.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:15 | 1501551 rufusbird
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You say, "no debt deal = gold plunges." I have to disagree because you are making an assumption that the US Problems is the only reason why Gold is higher. The rest of the world does not look so hot either...

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:42 | 1501083 r101958
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Gold down to 1609 right now. Silver down over a $1. Something is up or some are taking profit to pay for those treasuries.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:00 | 1501143 caerus
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healthy retracement imho...

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:17 | 1501177 Ahmeexnal
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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:28 | 1501211 malikai
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It means the fix is in. "Smart" money is repositioning and we should see $36/slver, $100+/oil, and 13500/dow imminently. After that, "deflation" for maybe a month or two so that outright QE can be justified. After that, who knows..

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:12 | 1501541 mayhem_korner
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Options settlement.  Normal this time of month.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:44 | 1501092 Reptil
Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:46 | 1501099 swissinv
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a typical banking idiot forecast - forecasting the unforecastable

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:46 | 1501100 packman
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I don't understand.  Option 2 is simply not possible.  At this point we either extend, or default.  Those are our only legal options, at least.


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:07 | 1501509 Biggvs
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That's what I thought too. Curious. Maybe because Obama might pull the 14th amendment trick instead of defaulting.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:02 | 1501103 Cognitive Dissonance
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This all reminds me of those YouTube videos where one monkey starts screaming and quickly every other monkey is hollering his or her head off.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:47 | 1501104 SheepDog-One
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I laugh at suckers daytrading gold, cashing it in for margin calls or whatnot. Bunch of bitchez.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:47 | 1501105 TSA Thug
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CS is the new Lehman. I give them 6 months till they collapse. They defiantly do not know how to make the news like a uber strong maketmaker Goldman.


--You WILL Obey!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:54 | 1501121 MobBarley
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Tyler you're being unfair. You know full well that in the new rules

of doing business Gold remains strictly unmentionable like a

Lady's silky underclingings. In other news, I had a vision

of Obama on TV telling the nation that starting as of now,

Foodstamps may be used to purchase Liquor and Cigarettes.





Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:58 | 1501137 Bastiat
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I had a vision of Obama on TV telling the nation


Was he wearing those "Lady's silky underclingings?"

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:14 | 1501351 slewie the pi-rat
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the PMs are ok, here, Au has found the bid, Ag, bouncing off ~~ $39.50.

the miners are soft, tho, for DAY 2, now, down 1-2%.  i guess we have "risk on" today, but lacking feeling.  tired?

our goobermint continues to do the Keystone Kopz both justice and homage.  who coulda known how expensive clowns cars would become?

i would like to declare tomorrow and monday FEDERAL H0LeeeDAZE.  postal workers can rest, and the FBI can stop trying to catch grannies cheating on their food stamp applications and draining the Treasury.

in related food stamp news, granny is tooling up the lobbyists to get vitamins & cat chow food stamp-approved BEFORE the FBI gets any more raises and free ammo, cars, trucks, choppers, jets, and new motor homes.  she joins me in encouraging the gendarmes to just hava nice slewie-approved howl-e-deyZ and enjoy the wealth!

steady, boys.  hold 'er true, now.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:58 | 1501132 Dr. Engali
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Not that I believe it's going to happen , but I never thought I would see the day where there is serious talk about default. I've prepared for it... but like insurance I hoped I never had to use it.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:58 | 1501135 CTgoldcoast
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Unless Obama raises the debt ceiling using a clause in the 14th amendment - this is his last ditch plan, the debt ceiling would be treated as unconstitutional, so no need for a vote to increase it.  I guess this course is little known or discussed, so the "analysts" have not baked this event into thier calculations...

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:00 | 1501142 Dr. Engali
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Then we have a costitutional crisis. I wonder if the Republicans will challenge him on that or just roll with it.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:14 | 1501168 CTgoldcoast
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I don't think it would be a constitutional crisis.  Obama raises the debt ceiling.  Then congress can work on what they should be working on.  Reducing spending.  They hold the purse strings, so, in effect, are they not at least partially responsible for the debt?  How about cutting defence, and reducing/eliminating entitlement payments to the rich - read means testing before benefits are paid out. 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:27 | 1501203 Dr. Engali
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Sure and let his majesty usurp more power. No my friend it would be a constitutional crisis. The 14th amendment does not allow the president to raise the debt ceilig. Congress and congress alone has the power of the purse strings. It's too bad there are people such as yourself who would back his dictator and chief in cosolidating more power.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:30 | 1501215 SheepDog-One
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Well thats our problem as a people, hardly anyone with a spine to just say no, they'll do anything for another hit of crack just a nation of wobbly addicts.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:41 | 1501450 CTgoldcoast
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Correct, the 14th amendment does not allow the president to raise the debt ceiling.  But that is because (and try to follow along here pumkin) there is no constitutional basis for a debt ceiling in the first place.  The 14th amendment contains a provision that says: 

"the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:42 | 1501454 CTgoldcoast
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Correct, the 14th amendment does not allow the president to raise the debt ceiling.  But that is because (and try to follow along here pumkin) there is no constitutional basis for a debt ceiling in the first place.  The 14th amendment contains a provision that says: 

"the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:03 | 1501148 caerus
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prob is nothing's unconstitutional until SCOTUS says so...but before they can, someone has to file suit...maybe my JD wont go to waste after all

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:10 | 1501717 Strider52
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Oh, it's definitely "baked in." See, the story will unfold like this:

1. Make it look like it's a dem / republican mexican standoff. Since it's a sensitive subject to our loyal subjects, don't make it look too easy to just raise the ceiling.

2. At the last minute, our Superbamahero comes crashing through the window just in the nick of time to avoid the dreaded default, saving Polly Purebread and her Social Security checks, and her vote to re-elect Oh!Bummer.

3. Ole Bammy gets re-elected.

 Why do you think Bammy will veto anything that doesn't fund the U.S. past the election?  

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:59 | 1501139 Pure Evil
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zero mention of the word gold when contemplating the impact of a US default

If the US defaults and the dollar becomes mere "garbage"

How will the zombies be able to pay for their drugs, surely the drug cartels aren't going to start expecting to be paid in gold or silver?

Oh, the humanity!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:00 | 1501141 Hedgetard55
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No doubt Reid and Boner have gotten together to short the market and make a killing, THEN cut a deal. Insider trading is perfectly legal for them.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:01 | 1501144 jkruffin
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Just goes to show you how corrupt Wall Street and this government have become:


Stocks are green with 3 trading days before default, and Treasury yields are down as if people are buying defaulted Treasury notes?

It doesn't get any more scam than this....Any other country yields would be over 10% on a 5yr note, except for in ScAmerica!!!!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:04 | 1501151 WallStreetClass...'s picture

So they can calculate all that, but were unable to predict that lending money to deadbeats is going to collapse the system? Indeed, some "talent".

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:08 | 1501160 rubearish10
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Let's take the 9% chance and see the brick wall they kick the can in to. Although, it would be truly heartwarming to see a default and flush out the Squid completely. There's at least a better than 0% chance that happens, hey?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:12 | 1501164 fishface
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and all these Healthcare stocks...


just wondering

if the US is broke and with it the health care system... hmmm

wouldn't the prices for healthcare come down to 'normal' levels as in other countries

and then profits go down and finally share prices



gold mentioned 4 time err. 5 times

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:12 | 1501165 no2foreclosures
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Let the fun and games begin!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:14 | 1501172 SheepDog-One
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Imaginary scramble to lay out all options for what will happen if this or that isnt done, as if it wasnt all planned out from the start. Just a bunch of scare tactics to put the last nail in the coffin. Personally I think theyre a bit behind schedule for the big takedown, certain things arent quite in place yet so they need a bit more time. Cold feet.

BTW is it just me or is ZH working quite slowly now? It used to hang up a bit here or there, but now Im getting 30 second page load times? 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:15 | 1501173 RobotTrader
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No doubt a deal is probably being hatched as we speak.

Probably see a huge rotation out of gold and into bank stocks if there is a deal struck.

Virtually every time King World News posts a sensational headline about gold going to $8,500, the Cartel comes in and stomps the gold bugs and smushes them on to the pavement.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:27 | 1501192 SheepDog-One
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Poor Robo, still lamenting his poor decision to clown gold since well under $1,000.

'Huge rotation out of PM's to banker stocks'...I'll happily buy that bottom from those suckers any day. If people are so stupid to sell their gold for worthless banker stocks, I'm all for it. Get the losers out of PM's.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:32 | 1501219 malikai
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Totally agree.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:06 | 1501327 caerus
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green press for use of the word "smushes"

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