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Credit's Not Buying It

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We discussed earlier how various non-US-equity asset classes were differing in their opinions on the likely events going forward. Even more short-termist, it seemed a large number of people really didn't want European financials exposure. Well, this afternoon has seen volumes dry up in ES and limp higher as IG and HY credit spreads have moved wider and wider quite comfortably. While we can never be sure, it seems credit professionals are not so comfortable being long and unhedged into the weekend.

UPDATE: and the more broad-based risk basket diverged too...

Charts: Bloomberg


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Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:00 | 1678374 101 years and c...
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squeeze the shorts before the markets implode.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:00 | 1678376 zorba THE GREEK
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Credit never lies.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:27 | 1678481 X.inf.capt
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either does physical PM's

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:05 | 1678399 Comay Mierda
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keep the serfs ignorant and you can take everything they own

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:05 | 1678404 Cleanclog
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Perfect presentation of American attention.  Sigh

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:33 | 1678409 Cdad
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**Now who could junk J. Aniston?  Personally, I think the chart above should be replaced with her pic**

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:38 | 1678519 GeneMarchbanks
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a homo.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:47 | 1678546 john39
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clearly brad thought angelina had more refined qualities...

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:51 | 1678563 Rodent Freikorps
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If so, he would be right.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:12 | 1678806 jdelano
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Doing heroin, injecting you ass fat into your face, and adopting 19 third world babies so you can go around being a sanctimonious frigid bitch are what passes for refined nowadays? Gimme Jen--she's gooder people.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:37 | 1679071 trav7777
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she's old...who gives a fuck about her?  She has no discernable talent either and all those pics you drool over were after 4 hrs with a makeup artist. 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:13 | 1678442 sodbuster
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Too bad that weren't Geithner and the Bernank- could've just shoveled the hole in.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:21 | 1678473 NotApplicable
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A giant onion, you say? Do go on!



It's a friggin' monkey.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:45 | 1678537 duo
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Sad about the plane crash.  Looks like a stall turning base-to-final.

A little watering and good soil will keep puppy-size cracks from appearling in  N. TX soil.

Link to Instant Noodle Museum more interesting than giant onion.  Never has so much sodium been placed into such a small styrofoam container.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 20:38 | 1679072 trav7777
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never even close when i was flying...know your approach speeds.  Nothing else really matters.  They may have crossed the controls, who knows

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 21:24 | 1679126 IQ 145
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"know your approach speeds. Nothing else really matters."  Well, I'm glad you're not still flying. I think. "They may have crossed the controls" There must be a less probable statement that could be made, but off hand I can't think of what it could be. The aircraft is described as suddenly "The left wing went down, and it spiralled into the ground" Tell us, oh master of aviation; what is the one hundred percent certain symptom of a low speed low altitude STALL in an American Propellor tractor aircraft? "The left wing will drop". You're beginning to annoy me.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 13:40 | 1682189 LongBallsShortBrains
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Approach speeds don't matter.

Angle of attack does, and was probably exceeded.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 21:26 | 1679133 IQ 145
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"A stall turning base to final." You have trouble distinguishing between an airport and a golf course?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:22 | 1678951 o2sd
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At least the puppy is OK.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 19:38 | 1678972 Cdad
Cdad's picture makers.  The facilitators of much of the shenanigans we are seeing in the market.  Bid lifters, the ones who arrange for selling that cause equities to rise.

We talk often about the HFT...but manipulative market maker activity is huge, as is the massive problem of ETFs.

Pachinko machine.


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 21:37 | 1679144 IQ 145
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The charts are completely incomprehensible, and probably don't mean anything anyway. But this is a very interesting post; personally I liked the Giant Onion best.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:02 | 1678387 Hephasteus
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Equity can water down stocks with 6 billion shares all it wants. It still has to be able to sell it to get paid. Sure it's ponzi financing but if people aren't buying then it doesn't work. Which is why stock pumpers gotta pump so desperately.

Get robot trader out here he'll keep em out of the credit markets when they need money for 2 billion 4 billion 10 billion a year losses that they book as gains.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:10 | 1678429 Pay Day Today
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"Equity can water down stocks with 6 billion shares all it wants. It still has to be able to sell it to get paid."

And that is when the Fed, the Bernank, and the primary dealers appear, on cue and as if by magick.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:59 | 1678586 Hephasteus
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They chewed through savings. Then they chewed through 401k's pensions. Now they are going to chew through cops and soliders and citizens.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:03 | 1678392 Comay Mierda
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how does this compare to the Lehman shit fest of '08?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:09 | 1678425 Id fight Gandhi
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Were gonna need a bigger fan.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:04 | 1678398 Id fight Gandhi
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But da guys on cnbs tell me stocks are cheap right that dat be?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:13 | 1678444 SwingForce
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There's a E/P ratio opposite of PE that takes into account INTEREST RATES, very positive.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:06 | 1678411 SwingForce
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Take a break people. 1973 Led Zeppelin, Madison Square Garden, NYC

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:34 | 1678498 caerus
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hellz yeah bonham...and page...and plant...and jpj!

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:10 | 1678416 greyghost
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silver took off after the u.s.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:08 | 1678417 gjp
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Surely the action in AMZN, Nasdaq, and retail (esp luxury retail) qualify as some kind of blow-off.  AMZN, a $100b company that makes razor thin margins on $50b or so in sales looking forward, went up by 15% this week and today went up non-stop with barely a downtick on no news at all.  Short covering or not, where does this all end?  And how come it wasn't hit harder when all the shorts were established?  The short covering logic doesn't compute, this is just another enormous bubble, not tech so much this time as consumer.  How on earth can a triple-digit PE bet on the US consumer be expected to pay off at this point in history?  Incredible stuff. 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:18 | 1678460 Iam Rich
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Wish I could hit the green arrow more than once.  Incredible stuff indeed.  Can you use food stamps to buy iPads?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:35 | 1678505 Rodent Freikorps
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It has been a while since Amazon told California to get bent.

Wonder what's up.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:37 | 1678506 d00daa
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amzn up 36% in 19 trading sessions to new highs after the initial aug crash. you know that kind of action always happens at market bottoms.  always.   /s

blow-off top indeed.

next leg down is where they get all of the momo growth leaders that refused to die the first time around.  bye bye amzn, pcln, lulu, cmg, gmcr, ulta etc etc etc

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:49 | 1678552 Bam_Man
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The trailing P/E on AMZN is OVER 100.

The company has never paid A PENNY in dividends and probably NEVER WILL.

Not that anyone even looks at that stuff anymore.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:10 | 1678431 Cdad
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If you want to see the nature of institutionalized criminal syndicate Wall Street bankers and their computers in action, check the options on AMZN today.  Check those 235s.  Now that's how you make money for the bonus pool as a parasite attached to the jugular of the American non market capital markets.

From .o3 cents to five bucks.  Presto.


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:16 | 1678449 GeneMarchbanks
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'Now that's how you make money for the bonus pool as a parasite attached to the jugular of the American non market capital markets.'

We need a word for markets that aren't markets. Suggestions?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:18 | 1678457 Cdad
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Pachinko machine.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:24 | 1678480 GeneMarchbanks
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Nice. That'll do. Look @ last 20 minutes of BAC if you wanna see investing.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:28 | 1678485 Cdad
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Not to worry there.  Wait another 20 minutes, and they might just be boarding up the windows at every branch in the  nation.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:31 | 1678489 NotApplicable
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Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:52 | 1678567 Bam_Man
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"Carpet joint" or how about "Bucket shop"?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:11 | 1678437 riley martini
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 Hedge dont leave home without it.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:11 | 1678438 John Law Lives
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The DJIA surged approximately 720 points from its intraday lows of 10,789.87 on Monday, September 12. That is a substantial move in 4+ trading session... especially when you consider had bad much of the macroeconomic data has been this week.

What is going on? This must be something more than short covering. Maybe The Great Chairsatan really is going to blow us away with the latest tool from his toolbox. Maybe the Fed will start buying up all distressed mortgages and/or some other form of LSAP.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:17 | 1678452 LawsofPhysics
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Short term, I am banking on it.  Thinking that long term treasuries are going to get a bid as well.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:19 | 1678463 hambone
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your attempt to make sense of the senseless is admirable...but I think this is simply a MIRACLE!!!  Since March 2009, a modern day miracle is taking place!!!  Jesus turned the water to wine and now modern day saint Ben has turned shit into shin-ola.  Don't question what the lord has given but simply praise his newest apostle.

All praise the wonders of heaven on earth.


Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:11 | 1678805 CrashisOptimistic
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It's just redefining what a loss is.

All the toxic paper still exists and is valued at whatever the fuck they want to value it at.  Value it at reality and every bank in NY folds the next day.

So the bankers ordered the world to become oncologists.  The game is to live life as if you didn't have cancer.  Then you die.  Soon.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:21 | 1678474 centerline
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Still looks like be f'ing bear flag.  Sharting to run short on time though.  One more push higher maybe.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:43 | 1678531 Hansel
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2% interest rates are not compelling for savers.  That money is going elsewhere.  Some blue chip stocks are paying 6% dividends.  A 2% 10-year is about as far from a buy as I can think of.  Look at the chart of yields this year.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:45 | 1678541 d00daa
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this is your typical retard, rip-your-face-off bear market rally.

major indexes crash 18-26% in a week.  amzn up 36% in 19 trading sessions since initial aug crash to new highs ON ZERO NEWS.

does that kind of action happen in bull markets??  at bear market bottoms???  hell fucking no!

sell the news wednesday.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:14 | 1678445 Belarus
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The credit guys being more conservative than the equity guys could just be taking cover before the Chairsatan as a, you know, precaution of the "great surprise" not transpiriing. 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:15 | 1678448 Iam Rich
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Quite the little rally into the close and into the AH.  Who didn't see that coming.  Let me get this straight at 3:35p and sell at 4:20p.  By the way...really do like the chart porn.  Looks like Wile E Coyote heading over the cliff.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:17 | 1678451 Al Huxley
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Credit's a drag, credit's the designated driver of the global casino, always worrying, always complaining that it's time to go home. Equities are where its at - the 'spike the punch, smash the guitars, drink straight from the bottle, puke in the flowerbed' partiers who, even when they get their asses kicked by the bikers at the after-hours club they decide to stumble into on the way home, always shake it off and are ready to go the next day. Fuck credit, hang with the equities, they may be stupid, but you get better stories with them.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:19 | 1678462 centerline
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Have you been spying on me?

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:18 | 1678454 centerline
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The rubber band is getting pulled very tight now.  The snap-back is going to be violent.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:20 | 1678470 Bithead1
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Who clogged up the fan with all this brown stuff?  Next time please have the decency to perform a courtesy flush

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:34 | 1678500 flyr1710
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can't wait for the compression to start next week!

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:46 | 1678543 Kali
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it seems credit professionals are not so comfortable being long and unhedged into the weekend.

Hell, would you be?  I don't even leave more money in my checking account than to cover bills over the weekend.  I don't like to leave anything subject to counterpary risk, including the US $, into the weekends anymore.  : )

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 16:56 | 1678579 Hephasteus
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The canonical five murders were perpetrated at night, on or close to a weekend, and either at the end of a month or a week or so after.

I read this in a jack the ripper book or a comex delivery schedule. I forget which.

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 17:11 | 1678627 John McCloy
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It is a complete disconnect from treasuries.

Complete disconnect from credit.

Complete disconnect from the EUR.

  Promises of bailouts, faulty accounting and corrupt government are the only thing that fills the gap. Volume proves all these prices are lies all over again and one week this market will lose 2000 points BEFORE the margin calls. Stay short and be happy because the markets are reliant upon a daily not even weekly tax payer subsidization just to pretend their are solvent along with austerity. Eventually a nation will leave the Euro or a black pterodactyl politically will end this charade. All you need to know is that HFTs have marked up all stocks on no volume 400% more than they are worth and sleep well. 

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:36 | 1678860 YesWeKahn
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Credit will catch up eventually

Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:36 | 1678862 YesWeKahn
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Credit will catch up eventually

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 11:23 | 1679692 DosZap
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We knew it was a matter of time before China started using their useless Treasuries to buy up REAL assets, our land.

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