Crossing The Fiscal-Cliff Chasm, And Why Boehner May Be Right

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Between Boehner and Reid's comments today, the dial on the politicization-of-the-fiscal-cliff amplifier just got turned to 11. This is no surprise to regular ZH readers who know the record levels of polarization that remain among our politicians (and citizens). While some (cough Insana cough) believe the magical faeries are at work behind the scenes to solve the fiscal-cliff; we present, via Citi, the best visualization of the changing face of hands-across-the-aisle compromise 'change' in the last 45 years is presented below. Sigh...

 

 

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Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:47 | 2782871 Dumpster Fire
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Pugs have moved to the right and bluedog dems have disappeared

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:51 | 2782895 Everybodys All ...
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Used to be a few more reps and now there are more dems as well.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:10 | 2782975 metastar
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D&R, sleeping on opposite sides of the bed, but still in bed together. They're probably taking a smoke break.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:18 | 2782996 Kitler
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I fully expect there is going to be a lot of smoke and ashes alright.

Burning Down the House (Talking Heads)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:26 | 2783042 LMAOLORI
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Let it burn baby burn then we can have a do over and kick all the thieves out

Here It Comes (Moody's)

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 17:04 | 2783164 boogerbently
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How, as a nation, will it EVER be possible to choose/agree on anyone other than the two-thief option we hve now?

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 17:20 | 2783215 imbtween
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publicly funded campaigns.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 21:32 | 2783882 old naughty
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BTW, the left chat meant to cover 1969-2009?

Now I get it.

More control ^p again?

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 17:57 | 2783322 Pool Shark
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"Don't blame me; I voted for Kodos..."

 

 

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 18:18 | 2783379 Row Well Number 41
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I'm writting in Lerm.  With a platform like "A fair and balanced death for everyone>" what's not to like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv3NYybt7Y&feature=related

#41

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 18:42 | 2783435 LMAOLORI
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We used to call that the $64 thousand dollar question, I suppose it's the trillions dollars question now. I imagine we would have to do like any society starting over maybe we would even have to have a divorce where the nation was divided into ideologies.  Like that chain e mail that goes around. 

 

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:16 | 2783003 kaiserhoff
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When interest expense is 100% of tax revenue, it will be a lot less fun to be a politician.

Coming soon to a country/city/state near you.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:20 | 2782987 ZerOhead
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Americans would do well to Reid the writng on the wall and prepare to get Boehned.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:39 | 2783092 LMAOLORI
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This is Reid's writing on the wall

Rewarding Idiots with Democratic Totalitarianism

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 17:46 | 2783281 Stoploss
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The only thing missing is the dividing line down the middle.

Left tightened up further to the left and the right shifted wayyyy right.

Where's my parachute...

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 18:02 | 2783330 Pool Shark
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That scale is meaningless: Both parties have moved left.  

Actually, if JFK ran for the presidency today; he'd be branded a right-wing reactionary...

 

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 18:22 | 2783386 Row Well Number 41
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If that's true how is it that Reagen, Nixon let alone Eisenhower could not get the nomination of the Republican party today because they would be to "Liberal".

#41

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:54 | 2782905 Ahmeexnal
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Thug asks the question we all know the answer to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL935D820388D04D26&feature=player_deta...

In the same film, Reagan's undelivered speech calling for a second revolution. Is that why he was gunned down?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL935D820388D04D26&feature=player_deta...

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:54 | 2782908 docj
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Everyone loved the GOP congressional caucus... until 1994, when they actually started to win elections and were no longer the Chicago Cubs of politics.

But yeah, the GOP moved right, bluedog dems are now repubs, the dems that are left went moonbat. Thank you redistricting.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 17:17 | 2783202 milkchaser
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The Blue dog Dems ran in 2010 and got creamed, because they voted for Obamacare.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 20:09 | 2783664 Redhotfill
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All they had to do was just say NO!   Jeeze Nancy Reagan told them that for 8 yrs and they didnt learn!

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 20:14 | 2783680 TimmyB
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Right, Obamacare sucks.  However it sucks because it is the GOP-Heritage Foundation plan from 1993.  Obamacare turned over America's healthcare to the private insurance industry, also known as Wall Street. 

Please don't tar the left with that abomination.  Obama made deals with the drug and insurance companies to enrich them with hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies.  Obamacare is just another example of good old USA style corporate capitalism, where the money you invest in politicians pays off a hundred fold.   

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 22:05 | 2783966 nmewn
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Just so you know, it was a thought...not an actual policy and/or law. A paper or proposal is not the same as meeting behind closed doors and rammig shit through by bribery and graft just because you can.

It was discarded as infringing on individual rights...the left had no compunction whatsoever in taking it up. The Fascist's will have to deal with it and live with it...or apologize to the People for it and renounce it.

I won't hold my breath for Pelosi, Reid or Obama doing so.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:49 | 2782876 Jonas Parker
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Interesting charts. Which one is "pages" and which one is "interns"?

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:59 | 2783150 Renewable Life
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If anyone in this Country thinks anything will get done, before February of 2013, they are smoking crack!!!

The Election is Nov 6th, which regardless of who wins, it's going to be nasty and the losing party will be butt hurt BIG TIME, then its the holidays, new years, and the swearing in of the new President and Congress (whoever it is)

Where in that time table do you think that comprehensive fiscal and legislative policy will get passed to avoid the "cliff"???????

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 18:24 | 2783389 agNau
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Truck after truck is backing and dumping at the cliff's edge now by one studious, determined, driver Ben.
Proof that even an ivy league education is a waste.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:49 | 2782881 HelluvaEngineer
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fail

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:49 | 2782883 Vincent Vega
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Republicrats and Demicans. Two sides of the same fucking coin.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:18 | 2783012 Colonel Klink
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Two head on the same snake is my saying.  And this snake is consuming itself tail first.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 17:30 | 2783238 FEDbuster
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My new favorite bumper sticker:

http://www.zazzle.com/roflmao_bumper_sticker-128409120648805235

H/T Michael

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 17:19 | 2783211 milkchaser
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Anyone who cannot see the distinctions between these two parties is not paying attention. Do they sometimes agree on the wrong things (e.g. bailouts, TARP, Patriot Act, etc)? Yeah. But are they both as dedicated to the same principles? Hardly.

Cynicism may be trendy and it may make you feel superior, but it accomplishes nothing.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 18:37 | 2783423 sessinpo
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I would agree with your post except for history says the opposite. Just because one side expresses a certain ideology, history has shown that the actions don't support it. You even named a few. One can disguise any action by wrapping it up in patriotism or whatever to justify ignoring the principles they are suppose to be for. What counts is the action.

 

On the converse of you cynicism statemtent, optimism can also be a trend. How about dealing with facts and history - its called being realistic. And where do you get off making superior accusations? Sounds like you are doing the same.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 21:24 | 2783865 Lednbrass
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If neither party has much to do with the principles they supposedly stand for and instead follow the same path in the real world (massive government overspending and expansion, growth of domestic "security" apparatus, foreign adventurism, propping up of private financial institutions and businesses through public backing, etc. etc. etc) just how stupid would a person need to be to actually believe there is any substantive difference when it is crystal clear that neither "party" has any principles whatsoever beyond the extension of their own power?

Naivete and childish faith in the words of your "betters" may be the norm and make you feel safe, but it accomplishes even less than nothing. At least the cynic is likely to take measures to prepare for things unwinding as they inevitably must.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:49 | 2782885 dick cheneys ghost
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Thelma and Louise baby.................lets get this over with,......

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:02 | 2782938 TrustWho
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Beautiful way to go. Boehner and Reed look each other in the eyes and Boehner stomps on the gas and off we go....wwweeeeee like the pig (-:)

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:52 | 2782898 pods
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Easy way to make that one single peak.  Just have the scale be liberty on the left and statism on the right.

And we all know where that peak will be.

pods

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:57 | 2782917 docj
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Well said.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:19 | 2783017 Colonel Klink
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Yep, the federalists won!  It's no longer a thin veil above us, but a cement block.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:37 | 2783087 pods
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Hell I think even Hamilton would shit a brick if he saw where we are today.

pods

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:40 | 2783089 Colonel Klink
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At least one can hope it's a gold brick.

A gold shitting president = skittle shitting unicorn.

Death of our country one fiat confetti note at a time.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:46 | 2783113 hannah
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more like a 'bricked' iPhone5

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:43 | 2783103 LawsofPhysics
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Should we expect anything else after years of giving goldman sachs zero precent interest loans so they can gamble and pay themselves huge bonuses?

All of this and their failures come at the expense of the taxpayer.  Say it with me; "capital and resource mis-allocation and mal-investment."  That is what this is, the people will pay, the money-changers will retire to their private islands.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:56 | 2783144 kaiserhoff
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and there is nothing much to stop it, until everything hits a fucking wall.  I've thought for a long time that Comrade Ben was mostly lucky, the collapse in our trading partners being even more retarded than ours, but this shit has developed a life of its own.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:52 | 2782899 Dr. No
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This graph (as all graphs) only tell the story the Author wants told.  The graph implies there is no compromise.  That is true.  But it does not mean legislation comes to a stand-still.  The party with the most members (i.e. votes) gets to stear the ship without consulting the rest of the crew.  Thats how democracy works and is intended to work by design.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:05 | 2782946 schatzi
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Well not in multi party democracies based on national proportional representation. The US winner-takes-all principle of voting has the rather unsatisfactory outcome of only allowing for two parties and in consequence a bipartisan gridlock. Personally prefer the proportional representative vote (5% hurdle recommended) with all the fringe loonies on either side to colour up the picture. In a system with more parties, no party usually has more than 50% of the vote and therefore must compromise.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:19 | 2783014 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Whether there are 2 parties or 12, it still boils down to a majority and a minority. Governments in Europe all have multi party systems and look what it's gotten them. They are no better off then we are. In fact I'd say they are worse off. When the majority wants more and more government, that's when the problems start.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:20 | 2788082 rambo1028
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2 parties...12 parties...makes no difference if they are owned by the same group of psychopaths.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 16:05 | 2782952 TrustWho
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Yea, it is actually worse

Repubs push thru congress

Dems push thru senate

???? force compromise

...Damn, we are doomed

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