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A "Crystal Ball View Of Europe In 2022"

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Zero Hedge has presented the work of Bulgarian modern artist Yanko Tsvetkov previously, both in 2010 and 2011. We are happy to see that his work which is meta irony on the weakest link of European culture: centuries worth of stereotype formation and development, has finally made its way into the mainstream media with the Guardian's "Stereotype maps: Is that what they think of us?" We are even happier to see that Tsvetkov has released a new one: a Crystal Ball view of Europe in 2022 which is his cartographic exercise in forecasting the political layout of Europe. While it is mostly an exercise in irony, we have to admit that the probability of him being spot on is high to quite high. We would however point out that by 2022 the "European (Dis)Union" will be a satellite region of Russia, or as it will be better known then, Gazpromia.

 

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Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:22 | 2173474 toothpicker
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...in taxes

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:49 | 2173655 Umh
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With the coming mini-ice age they'll just skate by.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:31 | 2173823 Tompooz
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"... Global warming will have drowned them."

 

Bullish for Bos Kalis. They will prosper like never before building dykes around the world...before they find in 2030 that CO2 is only a minor driver of climate change and that we actually face another 150 years of mini ice-age.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 15:40 | 2173309 Schmuck Raker
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I think it's noteworthy nothing is marked AAA.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 15:59 | 2173382 PontifexMaximus
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Because he did not know that Switzerland is and will be for the next 2000 years AAA rated.....

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 15:50 | 2173339 Beastmanager
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And finally the basques are germans, what they always wanted to be.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 15:50 | 2173342 falak pema
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This theory has a big Ifffff : What if Merkel is beaten in 2013???

Its a real possibility.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 22:44 | 2174181 infinity8
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What if she has a heart attack in 6 mos? What if she gets hit by a bus next week? What if she gets assassinated tomorrow? Or any other of our world's "important" (impotent) people. There's always a lot of big "ifs". And I didn't down you.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 11:11 | 2174711 old naughty
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What if Merkel is beaten in 2013???

Will Germany become more facist, or ...???

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 15:56 | 2173369 Hugo Chavez
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Hehe.

Stereotyping for humor reached its apogee with the Simpsons on their trip to Brazil. The Brazilian government complained, and sadly Simpsons writers never again achieved such a masterpiece and became too boring to watch.

When you have to start thinking about who you might offend then humor loses its mojo.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:00 | 2173388 bugs_
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Missed the portions that will be taken by The Caliphate.  Fail.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:05 | 2173412 Cheesy Bastard
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Gazpromia FTMFW.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:17 | 2173434 Martin W
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Wow, I didn't know I live in the capital of the European Union!!!

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:10 | 2173436 navy62802
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What? No Ottoman Empire 2.0??

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:10 | 2173438 walküre
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Here's a good way to explore 2000 years of European history in maps.

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/100/de_index.html

The continent had 2000 years of wars, revolutions, progression, enlightenment, literature, art, philosophy, language, traditions, folklore, myth and so on and so forth.

Then came the two greatest wars, WW1 and WW2 which were both financed and orchestrated by a small group of bankers and industrials. Many of whom called Wall Street their home. After the last great war the playing field was literally levelled. Then those same bankers and industrials were all too eager to step up and refinance the rebuilding of Europe, primarily Germany. Originally their plan was to try and bleed Germany dry again but the results of Versailles were not really profitable enough. Remember Weimar and the dilution of debt? Didn't work for long.

Why is it you wonder, did they have an interest in rebuilding the German industry after WW2 which allegedly and singlehandedly caused the death of millions and the destruction of an entire continent? It had strategic reasons to advance and protect US imperialism on the European continent. Also, a nation in ruins was dying to rebuild and would take loans which were even more profitable. Money was no issue in America because the Fed was printing and everyone was eager to get Dollars. Backed by debt.

The bottom line is that Europe has always been in turmoil of some sort. It's always evolved into something else and to think that the last 67 years without a war have completely pacified the people and turned them into a quasi collective Borg family is absolutely ludicrous. I'm not advocating a war in Europe. But what goes against my grain is the obvious way in which the entire continent was dragged into war twice, then got rebuilt and got forced into multinational agreements with the intent to exploit and oppress millions of people for the benefit of a handful of elitists.

Many argue that we had an uprecendent prolonged period of peace and prosperity in Europe. Apparently that's all that matters to them. They don't realize they were setup and enslaved to bring even greater prosperity to the elite at the very top. The elite that setup the agreements and the financial system which indebted nations and their people for eternity. Ensuring the elite a hefty paycheque without ever lifting a finger!

Give me back the raw and barbaric old Europe. The Europe that was not shackled by Wall Street and dumbed down by Hollywood. That Europe had spirit and progression. This new Americanized Europe is plain and simple worth SHIT.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:21 | 2173468 machineh
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To amplify your point, Germany, Italy and U.K. are still hosts to U.S. military bases, while a Danish puppet heads NATO as America jerks the strings.

'Sovereignty' is a joke when you're occupied by a nuclear-armed foreign military.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:59 | 2173675 francis_sawyer
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Looks like Gaeta (the American 7th Fleet) is still in Italy... I sense a "chink" in the armor...

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 22:14 | 2174126 prole
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Sovereignty is a joke when 99% of your masters -- oops, "elected representatives" are loyal and subservient to a foreign country.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:14 | 2173439 Apeman
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FML I live in the Shitzone... I mean... Scheissezone

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:14 | 2173451 dwayne elizando
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What? No United Bond Servants of America?

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:24 | 2173478 max2205
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Alaska takes over Iceland?!! Good one!

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:34 | 2173951 Don Birnam
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"I can see Reykjavic from my back yard."

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:28 | 2173488 slewie the pi-rat
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is taiwan still part of the US?

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 22:12 | 2174123 Curtis LeMay
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Yup - and thank God for that...

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:29 | 2173491 toothpicker
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Warsaw

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:31 | 2173496 debtor of last ...
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Holland's still triple-a though, funny ...

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:32 | 2173497 Curtis LeMay
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Did that hurt Jewboy?

Come on you guys. You can do better than this.


Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:49 | 2173851 Lednbrass
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While using "jewboy" against a guy using Le May as a handle is pretty stupid, your comment wasnt a helluva lot brighter.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:20 | 2173903 Think for yourself
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I reckon that "jewboy" referred to his attitude of immediatly standing to attention when the Rothschilds were mentionned, and not to the handle. Lots of Israelis, for instance, are propagandized into thinking of the Rothschilds as great benefactors of Israel. I mean, the land practically belongs to them, the legislature (Knesset) and Supreme Court of Israel buildings belong to them, and their names are plastered everywhere.

Many of those I spoke to had an automatic, nearly physical reaction of aversion when I told them the House of Rothschild financed Hitler through its proxy banks, and although only volunteering a tidbit of information they will get physically threatening as if you had spit on their newborn baby.

By the way, LeMay isn't that brilliant an alias. I mean, a general whose biggest claim to fame is being the main architect of an insane number of bombing campaigns against civilian populations, among which the great fire-bombing of Tokyo - he probably oversaw and directed the massacre of a million people in his missions. Is that something to be proud about?

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 21:17 | 2174037 Lednbrass
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I dont recall seeing anyone claim it was brilliant or any of the other things you seem to read into it- but as he was George Wallace's running mate its pretty unlikely the guy using the name is a jew. I would give it a .000000000001% probability, most jews of that day were too busy being self righteous and mobilizing the forces of the central government against the south again. No matter how you look at it, its as reflexively stupid as the poster LeMay's response. I am quite familiar with Gen. LeMay's career, my opinion is that the firebombing of Tokyo and the nuking of Japan were infinitely preferable to the alternative of invasion. My own mother and grandmother barely survived his B-17's but the point of war after all is to inflict such catastrophic destruction and misery that the other side gives up.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 23:41 | 2174241 Think for yourself
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Good. I won't pursue that LeMay line of discussion with you (I'd argue about the point of the war, although you do seem to know that guy more than I do) since it is not what I wished to point out - I only intended a brief, in passing mention of the Israelis' conditioning, but I have to admit that your initial point stands and that I misread whatever it was I read into your post.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 11:25 | 2174730 my puppy for prez
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Your heretical sin against Zionism:  Speaking the unspeakable!

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 22:15 | 2174129 Curtis LeMay
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Is that supposed to mean something?

And no, I won't take the bait...

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:58 | 2173999 ekm
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Suck it up. No censure. I disagree with it, but no censure is better than insult.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:35 | 2173501 palmereldritch
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Here's the real plan for Europe and the World. The UN's Agenda 21.  It's happening in your local government right now.  No Joke

Rosa Koire interviewed by Alex Jones this week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnfReKnmNkQ

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 00:54 | 2174342 Problem Is
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Alex is a tad excitable on NWO issues...

He does have correct analysis on the Fed, Oklahoma City and 911...

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 11:23 | 2174728 my puppy for prez
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I can vouch that Rosa was amazing!  I have studied A21 for years now, and she was able to put it all together in an understandable and powerful way.  So I ordered her book.  You can never have too many resources on this piece of crap "agenda".

To the reply below, I would say that I am not enthused with AJ much anymore...especially since I think he is a dis-info tool that will never discuss Zionism...but his site does have many useful articles and interviews when approached with a wary and discerning eye.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 14:23 | 2175306 palmereldritch
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I think 'disinfo tool' might be an exagerrated over reaction.  He mentions Zionism and addresses the danger but it is not his sole focus.  I suspect Alex recognizes the attack for the broad spectrum threat that it is and fashions a broad defense and reaction accordingly. There are so many fronts and the enemy takes many forms.  He constantly contextualizes the threat matrix as levels of the pyramid.

I agree, his website is an invaluable resource for awareness and political action.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:04 | 2173559 Catalonian Capi...
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Catalan Empire. I like the sound of that. Fuck madrid, fascist pigs! Visca Barca, bitches!

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:44 | 2173743 Don Diego
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Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:05 | 2173560 Sandmann
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Russia + Germany will be The European Power. France will have its offshore island Britain plus the Agricultural Belt of Southern Europe in its orbit. The key is the Germano-Russian Federation

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:10 | 2173568 flyme
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Agenda 21 got major amounts of funding in the UK from Shell.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:39 | 2173642 Umh
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Gays; like in Janet Gay?

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:44 | 2173648 Badabing
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Ponzaina the center of growth

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 00:49 | 2174332 Problem Is
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That's fucking funny... +1 for the avatar...

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:45 | 2173651 Alex Kintner
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Where is Transylvania? The blood sucking bankers will need a place for summer homes.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 00:47 | 2174329 Problem Is
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+1... Castles... Summer castles...

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:26 | 2174448 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Prince Charles is not happy with you talking about his ancestrol homeland like that.  Don't believe it!  Check this out!  Eugenics R US!

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/prince-charles-i-have-a-stake-in-transylvanias-future-2376584.html

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:54 | 2173663 Zero Govt
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Gazpromia

prefer Europe to be run by BMW ...and America by Apple.. not that we have any democratic choice but i like the odd flight into fantasy

Oh well, back to being a politico-bwanker debt-slave watching the carve-up of their minions to patch up their last lot of tragic economic errors

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:03 | 2173678 Eclipse89
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Northern Italy not a part of Italy anymore... I wish it was real...

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:20 | 2173700 Jim in MN
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Europe becomes vassal state to Gazpromia

Americas energy markets detach from Eurasia

USA no longer welcome or interested in Eurasian affairs

India and China vie for Persian Gulf oil

Israel not so peacefully absorbed into polyglot Mediterranean fringe area ironically named Phoenicia encompassing present day Israel, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria

All is well.  Sort of.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:57 | 2173868 rsnoble
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Greetings motherfukin ZH'ers...............RsNoble at your service.  Well, I haven't ecxactly read this article because after 2-4 hours per day reading about this shit over the past few years I am a virtual encyclopedia set on all of it. The collapse of the EU, NWO you name it.

The other reason is I just took 8 shots of Jager on an empty stomach. My main reason for doing so was I realized I only had 15 beers on hand. Not only that I wasn't in the mood to wait for the beer to kick in.

As I type it's slowy creeping in. Do you guys like Jager? I need to get on eGay(no offense pretty boys I don't care if you like cock or not) and order a Jager machine the fridge just doesn't cut it.

Here's to our demise!

Cheers!!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 01:15 | 2174368 Vic Vinegar
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Well, I haven't ecxactly read this article because after 2-4 hours per day reading about this shit over the past few years I am a virtual encyclopedia set on all of it.

Take a time out dude.  To quote a wise man quoting his father who used to comment here: 'Knowledge only gains you the booby prize.'

And look on the bright side - now you have 2-4 hours a day freed up that you can play with.  Not too shabby! 

Maybe it's time somebody opens up a "Hobbies while waiting for TEOTWAWKI" thread in the forums...

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:52 | 2174469 Prometheus418
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I don't know about you, but I made my shotgun into kind of a hobby.  I'm pretty sure with all the mods and the shells I managed to drag out of deep, dark holes,  I could reduce an average car into a steaming pile of slag in short order.  I don't actually foresee needing that level of destruction, but that's why it's become a hobby, rather than a mere self-defense weapon.

Oh, and I also got some goldfish.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 11:31 | 2174739 rsnoble
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Yes I am working on the transistion. It would be a shame to wait the next 10 years wasting all that time when have the ability to do so much. So yeah I've pretty much come to that conclusion myself. It doesn't change my views of what's going on but sitting around waiting on it isn't very productive.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:25 | 2173930 Monedas
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The Fall of the Fiati has now surpassed the JFK assasination. all UFO sitings and Obama's "Immaculate Birth Certificate" theories in the generation of minutae ! A whole industry has been spawned to monitor the inevitable ! Don't be distracted !  All you really have to do is HOARD !   Monedas  2012   Mimicking the wisdom of the founding fathers every day plus adding his own two fucking cents !

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:41 | 2173963 rsnoble
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Fukn A brotherman preach on!

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 21:16 | 2173993 Monedas
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Thanks !  What is Jager ?  Scotch ? German liquor ?   All I know is 5 litre boxes of Vella "Delicious Blush" $8 at the duty free store ! Kind to my proletarian hoarder's budget !  Monedas  2012  Does anyone know where you can get Absinthe ? It's a very addictive, borderline poisonous, liquor made from the wormwood tree ? Hemingway was always plying himself and his babes with it !

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 01:12 | 2174363 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Absinthe is great.  And it's now legal here in the USA (wormwood and all).  My favorite brand is the Pernod.  But "Absente" is good too.  May the Green Fairy smile upon your countenance!

DoChenRollingBearing's "Death After Midnight":

(partly based on Hemingway's "Death in the Afternoon")

1 part cold water

1 part absinthe

3 parts raspberry vodka

All stright out of the freezer, mmmm....

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 11:37 | 2174759 rsnoble
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Here is the Jager website:

http://www.jagermeister.com/

Some people refer to this as devils cough syrup.  If you don't like black licorice you may not like it. They actually make chilling machines to get it as cold as possible, I have a priest that lives down the road I know he has one because I seen the box in the trash when I drove by on the 4 wheeler.

People also like Jager Bombs which is Jager mixed with RedBull. I used to like those also but I no longer drink caffiene or any stimulants. In fact other than alcohol all I drink is water rather at home or out to eat. 

Some people claim the stupidest things they've ever done drunk was while they were drinking Jager. It has a reputation, lol.

The Jager girls are cute also.  They show up at parties and such and hand out free shots.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 22:19 | 2174136 prole
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Jaeger, cause the Whiskey, ain't workin anymore......

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 20:57 | 2173995 joeybasu
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"Passive Aggressive Kingdom" was a nice touch.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 21:27 | 2174054 laosuwan
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No, Europe will look more like this...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZJYPhd5rE0&feature=related

 

 

 

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 22:21 | 2174139 prole
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Nothing they said on that bus that I disagree with.... Have another Yaeger!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 01:57 | 2174390 laosuwan
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Have another Yaeger!

 

While its still allowed

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 00:43 | 2174327 Problem Is
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Looks rather Holy Roman Empire--ish...

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 02:50 | 2174425 constantine
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nice... I'm back on the net.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:03 | 2174428 Maxter
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I don't know if anyone already posted this, but there is some weird talk at the Uk parliament.

see here (column 1016) : http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201212/ldhansrd/text/120216-0...

 

The talk is related to black financial markets.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 04:58 | 2174488 Colonial Intent
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMccY_xXfCg

Place your bets ladies, its the last race of the day.

From the post above's link,

In April and May 2009, the situation started with the alleged transfer of $5 trillion to HSBC in the United Kingdom.

Seven days later, another $5 trillion came to HSBC and three weeks later another $5 trillion.

A total of $15 trillion is alleged to have been passed into the hands of HSBC for onward transit to the Royal Bank of Scotland.

It starts off apparently as the property of Yohannes Riyadi, who has some claims to be considered the richest man in the world.

He would be if all the money that was owed to him was paid but I have seen some accounts of his showing that he owns $36 trillion in a bank.

It is a ridiculous sum of money. However, $36 trillion would be consistent with the dynasty from which he comes and the fact that it had been effectively the emperors of Indo-China in times gone by.

A lot of that money has been taken away from him, with his consent, by the American Treasury over the years for the specific purpose of helping to support the dollar.

Riyadi has sent me a remarkable document dated February 2006 in which the American Government have called him to a meeting with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which is neither the Federal Reserve nor a bank.

This astonishing document purports to have been a meeting, which was witnessed by Mr Alan Greenspan, who signed for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York of which he was chairman, as well as chairman of the real Federal Reserve in Washington.

It is signed by Mr Timothy Geithner as a witness on behalf of the International Monetary Fund. The IMF sent two witnesses, the other being Mr Yusuke Horiguchi. These gentlemen have signed as witnesses to the effect that this deal is a proper deal.

I do not have a photocopy; I have an original version of the contract.

Under the contract, the American Treasury has apparently got the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to offer to buy out the bonds issued to Mr Riyadi to replace the cash which has been taken from him over the previous 10 years.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 05:06 | 2174499 blunderdog
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Thing is, Blackheath's always talkin' crazy shit.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 05:47 | 2174521 Olympia
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Loan sharks knew that if they took the dollars printing machines under their control they could suffocate the world ...they could initially suffocate USA and after taking the USA from the Americans, they could move and suffocate the whole world and take the countries from their people.

FED printed cheap money and loansharking multiplied this money in an unnatural way within the American economy boarders and they discarded them abroad so that they did not threaten USA. USA became the first state in the world with artificial “breathing”...

It cannot be possible but just in the USA for only the last year, more than one million houses were seized. It cannot be impossible but the New World has returned to tents and shelters ..has returned to the ages of Columbus. It cannot be possible that we allow to a few loan sharks looting the toils and the assets of people...

http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html

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Global Debt Crisis

Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:38 | 2174457 frosty zoom
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this is all wrong.

this entire map will be called greater persia in 2022.

 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 03:39 | 2174459 frosty zoom
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except albania..

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 07:25 | 2174554 TradingJoe
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WWIII WILL BE ABOUT DISPOSING OF THESE BLOODSUCKERS! They will start it for "profits" WE WILL END IT FOR FREEDOM!!!

BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 10:19 | 2174651 Hannibal
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The money masters are the scum of the earth.

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 10:56 | 2174693 Thomas Jefferson
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Change the Netherlands to Euthanasia land.  Rick Santorum told his audience that the Dutch euthanize 10% of their hospital patients every year because they are old.  Rick said that people walk around with bracelets saying, "dont euthanize me."  You Europeans wonder why Americans are so dumb. 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 11:28 | 2174732 reutersanalyst
Sun, 02/19/2012 - 16:12 | 2175657 Monedas
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Watching how Europe and Asia have changed hands from one empire to another dynasty over the last 3,000 years.....STFU forever about Israel doesn't have a right to exist ! If you can possess it and defend it and make it fruitful.....it's yours.....just like everything else in life including your soul !   Monedas   2012   Unofficial Spokeshole For The Jewish People ! 

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 17:11 | 2175794 Darkness
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Won't it all be "America" by 2022?

Sun, 02/19/2012 - 17:25 | 2175826 Bauglir
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Turkey will be an EU canditade, we have been a candidate since 70's and nothing will change in 2022. that's a good guess I think.

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