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Deflecting Attention From The Real Question

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Courtesy of Bill Buckler, author of The Privateer,

On April 26, the US ratings agency S&P cut their rating for Spanish sovereign debt by two notches. S&P justified this downgrade in a three-page press release. As usual, the "concerns" which led to this downgrade have been echoed since the very beginning of the "European" debt crisis more than two years ago. As usual, they are pertinent as they apply to Spain. They are equally pertinent as they apply to the other nations in the world which are up against the utmost limits of credit expansion and therefore of the issuance of yet more reams of paper money. There is no nation in the world which is NOT up against those limits. But like its two equivalents, S&P is a "US based" ratings agency.


The US is now about to enter fully-fledged "election mode". With only two candidates left in the "race" for the Republican nomination - only one according to the mainstream media, but more on that [below] - the "issues" at stake in the upcoming election are now being very carefully tailored for an increasingly unruly domestic US political audience. A less polite way of phrasing this is that the spin is becoming dizzying. The foremost task of preparing for the November vote is to maintain the illusion that any and all economic or financial "hiccups" which might affect the US in the next six months are not home gown. There is one "issue" in which Mr Obama, Mr Bernanke, Mr Geithner and Mr Romney are in total agreement. That "issue" is the source of the economic malaise still affecting the US. The source is NOT the US government, nor the US central bank, nor the US banking system. Above all, it is NOT the debt-based and government guaranteed US Dollar.


The debt morass sucking down the entire world is happening in Europe, not in the US. The lack of jobs and economic opportunity wearing "main street" down is a result of "unfair competition" from Asia, and China in particular. The US establishment MUST point the finger anywhere but at their own seat of power and keep on doing it until the election has safely been put to bed. They are going to have to keep it up for a bit more than six months. The US establishment has never fooled all of the people all of the time -just enough of them to keep their power. The problem is that this keeps getting harder to do.




In early April, Rick Santorum announced that he was "suspending" his bid to become the Republican presidential nominee. In the wake of the five primary votes contested on April 24, Newt Gingrich let it be known that he is seriously contemplating doing likewise. Most US mainstream media are predicting that Mr Gingrich will drop out of the race sometime during the first week of May. If that proves to be the case, there will be only two contenders left - Mitt Romney and Ron Paul.

Needless to say, both the departing Republicans have endorsed Mitt Romney as their "preferred" candidate. The mainstream media in the US, and most of the rest of the world, have now happily taken it for given and granted that Mr Romney will be going up against Mr Obama in November. At best, they grudgingly admit that he does not yet have the number of delegates required to secure the nomination. But that is just a formality, they say, and will be settled by the end of May when a sufficient number of primaries have been run. In this scenario, Ron Paul will be consigned back to the obscurity from which he never should have emerged. This exhibition of intellectual cowardice continues unabated.

You Don't Actually Take This Stuff Seriously, Do You?!!:

Here are two typical headlines from the US mainstream media in the wake of the five primary votes held on April 24. Officially, Mr Romney won all five contests, thereby further swelling his "delegates" to the late August Republican convention:

"Ron Paul Supporters Need to Sober Up"

"Supporting Ron Paul is Naive: Small Governments are for Small Countries"

And here is a quote from each of the stories behind these headlines:

"...for some completely unapparent reason, Ron Paul and his campaign have refused to acknowledge what should be common and logical sense. Instead, they march onward with their futile and meaningless campaign while continuing to immorally solicit donations from their similarly blinded supporters."


"Young people with little experience in the real world are drawn to Ron Paul's small government championship. ...Yes, size matters in government services as it does in business. Too many customers without enough servers drives folks elsewhere in search of better customer service in the real business world. A large population requires a large government service organization to effectively manage. So, if Ron Paul supporters want a smaller government, they might try going to a smaller country."

The first quote is merely puerile and unappetising nonsense. The second quote is far more brazen. It is an exhibit of an extremely befuddled reporter doing his or her best to rabbit the party line and making rather a hash of it. The equating of business and government is as old as the hills. The implication that one is a "customer" of government is equally hoary. And as for the suggestion of establishment America - love it or leave it - the level of historical ignorance is breathtaking. What turned the US from a wilderness to the most free and prosperous nation in history was the smallest government ever seen.

A Warrior In The Battle Of Ideas:

The level of the political debate which the US establishment wants to preserve is very well illustrated by the quotes given above. Anyone who has any familiarity with Dr Paul's platforms and ideas can hardly be surprised at the concentrated venom being spewed out by the US "mainstream" against him. And yet, he remains unbowed. His goal is to give the American people something they have not had for generations, a CHOICE in November. But to do that he has to get past the Republicans, a HUGE task.


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Sun, 04/29/2012 - 10:57 | 2383567 UP4Liberty
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Ron Paul's delegate strategy is legitimate, is winning - and will continue to win as we approach the convention.

The best thing for this country would be for Ron Paul to run against Barack Obama.

This would be a true test of the intellectual strength of the ideology of the individual vs. collectivism.

 Bring it on, MF's...

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:09 | 2383572 Captain Benny
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The establishment will blame RP for why Obama and/or Romney loses and why the stock market collapsed during the election and why we slipped back into a severe "recession" (really -- depression) before the new president even takes office.  Its called political opportunity and thats the only "change you can believe in"...

No matter what, having Romney and Obama forced to confront the issues Ron Paul refuses to dodge for 30+ years, they'll need to deflect, attack, and distort by any means necessary -- OR -- actually talk about the real issues at hand.  Ron Paul is still quite the force to be reckoned with in a debate.  The prols that wanted/were cheering for Cain, Bachman, Santa-orum, Palin, Mccain, and sleezy Newt are now forced to find a new candidate to rally behind and they all absolutely hate douchbag Romney.  They feel "lost" without someone to relate to and Paul is the only guy left who has nothing wrong with him other than being the guy blacked out by the media and degraded by the establishment as being a "third party" and "not electable"

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:20 | 2383643 Ace Ventura
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It's not just the media blackout, the GOP faithful (particularly the older folks) see him as a threat to their SS and Medicare benefits, and have bitten hard on the hook that he is 'soft on foreign policy appeaser' and wants to let the evol terrzits wipe us all out.

The delegate strategy is working, but I fully expect the GOP to go to any lengths necessary, including breaking their own rules at the convention if keep a Paul nomination from happening. The number of times they have already done this during the primaries/caucuses in 2012 is comically ridiculous, and the mainline GOP faithful remain mostly silent because a Paul presidency makes them uncomfortable.

I wouldn't even be surprised if the media adopts the 'Baghdad Bob' method of coverage during the RNC convention. "There are very few Paul delegates here. All that noise you hear is cheering for Mitt! All those Paul signs are leftovers from an earlier primary, were someone ordered 10,000 signs instead of 10. Simple typo! Mitt wins!!"



Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:37 | 2383662 CrashisOptimistic
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Ron Paul can do nothing about oil.

This is pointless hype and enthusiasm.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:52 | 2383722 JW n FL
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The Real Question?

Like WHO?? Owns the Lobby Whores in Washington DC?

and the FACT! That the same 400 Elites! Own BOTH Team Red and Team Blue?

or how Ron Paul.. isn’t going to Lower Taxes for the Top 400.. Ron Paul wants NO! Taxes for the Top 400! LOL!!

all of these bullshit conversations are just controls for the system.

Hurry waste your time and brain power on 1 million different BULLSHIT!! Conversations! and do ANYHTHING! but look at the Causes! of the Largest!! Issues!

LOOK! -----------------------------> its Snookie! or Bernake!! or whatever bullshit blows up your skirt.




LONG LIVE THE STATUS QUO!! (or at least until the Baby Boomers Die Off! that way the Rest of Us are left to clean up their participation in the LIE! for the last 50 fucking years!)


NATO asks Chicago Red Cross for Evacuation plans for the City! No Power! No Cameras!! And No Peaceful Protesting in America! The Constitutional Right to Assemble was signed away by the Liberal!



Hurry hand over more of your Constitutional Rights! It will help keep the Masses in Line so you can the Spoils of your participation in the LIE during your Golden Years Baby Boomers!! LOL!


More Cow Bell! I mean FEAR!! More! FEARRRRRRRRRR!!!! And sprinkle on Top Off Shoring Manufacturing Jobs Subsidies!! And just a fucking DASH!! Or $100 Trillion Dollars in Secret Federal Reserve Loans to the Masters of the Universe to Jew Filled Wall Street!



Do not mention the 2 Largest Lobbies and how they get the Most Tax Dollar Hand Outs and Federal reserve Hand Outs!

Because they are Both JEWISH! And You will be a NAZI for sharing the Numerical Facts!

Long Live the Zionists!

Death to Palestine! Geneocide is Good when the bi-product is FEAR! For the Sheepeople in the Untied States!! Fantastic Circle! Better than the Slave Trade for the Jews!

Instead of Importing Slaves to Build the Country!

The Jews are Not importing FEAR!! Into the United States to Destroy the Country!!

Our 40 Years is UP! Time for someone else to be top dog!

Thank GOD!! The DHS / NSA / CIA are on the Job protecting Americas Interests!

These same FOOLS! Can NOT make AIPAC Register as a Foreign Entity!  With Proof Positive Money Trails in Hand!

Just like Wall Street HFT's trading at faster than the speed of light! LOL!

all the evidence in the World for the SEC! and they are BLIND! to the Facts!

and becuase CNN / FOX doenst run the FACTS in Heavy Rotation! they are NOT! Real!!

No Corporate Stamp of Approval!

No Heavy Rotation?

Then it is NOT TRUE! as far as the Un-Educated, Poor, Wall Mart Sheepeople are concerned!


America is Beyond Fucked!

The JEWS! Want America Gutted and Destroyed and the Christian Zionists are so Greedy as to go along with the Plan of wage arbitrage!

America deserves it!

Natural Selection! The Stupid will be dispatched as nature intended! Bill Gates / Rockefeller Death Inc will make sure of it! Mother Earth / Agenda 21 for YO! AZZ BITCHEZ!!!

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Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:40 | 2383725 Canaduh
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As an outside of the USA observer, Ron Paul seems to be a 'savior' to people who really should know better.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 17:54 | 2383950 GeezerGeek
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Although I thoroughly support Ron Paul's ideas and platform, I doubt he could be elected even if he won the Republican nomination. The reasons are numerous. My hope is that, like Barry Goldwater in 1964, he will herald the arrival of newer politicians of similar ideology who will, like Ronald Reagan, pick up the banner and carry it to victory sometime in the future. Not many of my boomer contemporaries like or would vote for Paul, but he seems to strike a chord with the youth of today. Some day those youth will become the electoral mainstream, I hope.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 19:21 | 2384031 gtb
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When you say "sometime in the future" I'm guessing you mean sometime after the great re-set.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:41 | 2383726 BooMushroom
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Ron Paul could slash the EPA and allow drilling in many parts of the USA, increasing supply, and thus lowering the price of oil.
He could audit the FED and stop inflation, which would make oil a less attractive long position.
He could stop BOMBING all the countries that are producing oil, getting rid of the uncertainty premium in that market.

0bama and Mittens could do these, too. But they won't.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:51 | 2383736 JW n FL
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Ron Paul would do as he is told.. just like the liberal Obummer!

or??? ------------------------->

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:19 | 2383761 Vince Clortho
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and then blame it on another "lone nut".  Scary thought.

Will America believe the LeeHarveyOswald/SirhanSirhan/JamesEarlRay/ Lone Nut Fairy Tale one more time?

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:36 | 2383780 UP4Liberty
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When have you ever seen Ron Paul "do as he is told"?

Patriot Act - Ron Paul voted against it.

Unbalanced Budget - Ron Paul has NEVER voted for an unbalanced budget - IN THREE DECADES!

While the "Monetary Mandarins" (Thank you Jim Grant for that phrase) like Ben "Helicopter" Bernanke at the Fed F**K this entire thing up - and knuckleheads like Paul "Klepto-crat" Krugman actually advocate HIGHER INFLATION be foisted upon us by the Fed...let me remind you about the following:

Federal Reserve Act - ever heard the phrase "End The Fed" or read a book by the same title?  Guess who wrote it?  RON PAUL.

IRS - Guess who has been the strongest advocate for ABOLSHING the IRS for over 30 YEARS?  Yep - Ron Paul.

BTW - I agree with many of your perspectives and enjoy your rants...I share many of the sentiments you express.

But to say Ron Paul will "do as he is told" flies in the face of his LIFELONG DEDICATION TO THE VIRTUOUS PURSUIT OF FREEDOM AND LIBERTY FOR ALL!


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:59 | 2383796 JW n FL
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I was very clear about those who dont do as they are told!

I pray DAILY! for Ron Paul and / or other to come along and reinstate the Constitution!

I am all for ENDING THE FED! even when I was Stupid! I wanted the FED Dead!

and te Lobby? well that is my personal war cry! I hate the Lobby more than anything else! becuase the Lobby is who pulls the Tampon strings and lets the Blood Money Flow like a Rover into the Pockets of those Whores! in side the belt way!

how many lobbyists per Government Whore?


the FACT that We the Sheepeople! SPLIT 7% between 300 Million of us!

while the Top 400 Split 93% of ALL! Profits!!??!!??!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?? WAHT THE FUCK?



Sun, 04/29/2012 - 15:54 | 2383839 IrritableBowels
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Good call on the name change- if Stupid were my name, I'd reconsider as well.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 17:06 | 2383893 JW n FL
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Israeli Minister Admits Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel Should Be "Wiped Off the Map"


P.S. Mr. T is a Pimp!

I Pitty Da Fool Who Ain't Got No Gold And Silver!

Jew Rocks is for Suckerz!


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 16:08 | 2383847 Things that go bump
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Obama is no liberal. He is what used to be considered a moderate Republican (in wolf's clothing).  Romney is probably the more liberal of the two (all the better to eat you with, my dear). I just don't see any real difference between the two of them and I am simply buying anything they are selling.  

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:05 | 2384077 Harbanger
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Obama is no Liberal.  Great Observation!  Now go read up on progressives.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 23:49 | 2384310 Things that go bump
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Nope, sorry, Obama isn't one of those either. I'm not sure what he is besides a sleezy little opportunistic pied piper who got lucky once and attained a station far about his skill set.  You can call yourself a Catholic and even go to church on Sunday, but that doesn't necessarily make you a good Christian, know what I mean?  

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 01:29 | 2384383 Breaker
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"Obama is no liberal. He is what used to be considered a moderate Republican (in wolf's clothing)."

LOL. Richard Nixon, Gerry Ford and Nelson Rockerfeller were no great shakes. But Obama is way, way, way far to the left of them. Way far. He's even way to the left of the John Lindsay types.

"Romney is probably the more liberal of the two..."

As to Mittens, I have no idea what he really believes. It would be hard to be more left than Obama and be a national politician in America.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:11 | 2383751 LetThemEatRand
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You have it exactly backwards.  The cost of oil would skyrocket under Paul if he implemented any of his foreign policy ideas.  Right now, we don't factor into the price of a barrel of oil the cost of our military  1) keeping the oil flowing from the Middle East, and 2) keeping oil priced in dollars.    The taxpayer (mostly the future taxpayer) bears this burden, so that the oligarchs can maintain the myth that oil is the most bang for the buck in terms of energy source.   Take those two things away, and oil shoots up to God knows where.  I say this as someone who voted for the guy because he wants to dismantle the police state and the military industrial complex.  But my eyes are open about what that means to the status quo of things like the price of oil. 

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 18:29 | 2383984 NewWorldOrange
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"The cost of oil would skyrocket under Paul if he implemented any of his foreign policy ideas."

Bass ackwards. The imperialist policies the U.S. practices in the Middle East do not suppress oil prices by "maintaining the flow of oil". They increase prices by heightening risk and by impeding the free market flow of oil. Ron Paul' foreign policies would lessen political risk factors in the Middle East. His domestic fiscal policies would also put the brakes on money printing which would be deflationary in the long run, pushing oil prices down. Lastly, his deregulatory policies would meke it far easier for that domestic pipeline to be built, and lower the oil industry-supported barriers on the opening of of competing fuels like natural gas.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 19:31 | 2384042 Xaqaria
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The US military is the largest petrolium consumer in the country. Cutting military spending and ending foreign occupation would cause oil demand to plummet and prices would drop.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:24 | 2383769 mudduck
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Send Geetner down to the minors and bring in Bill Black as the starter.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 17:17 | 2383913 JW n FL
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Just Hang ALL! of those Fuckers for Treason and SAVE! the tax payers the Expense of having to listen to thier bullshit on Court TV??


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 23:33 | 2384290 chipshot
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all really quite simple old chaps..



1. there is not oil shortage... domestic energy.

2. wind fails ;solar has potential.

3. have the badest ,fiercest military in the world...ON our shores.. no-one would dare invade or press our interests.

4. collapse the welfare/ govi/regulatory state...use saving for healthcare.

5. no funding for education...colleges compete and show sucess rates of students...or fail.

6. a" hang em high" judiciary...economic/political/corporate/banking crimes should be a very risky[lethal] affair.

7. secure borders... illegals' gravy train is over.

8. hard ass tariffs for cheap shit imports...made in USA means something again.

9. change the meanig of WWW...... to weed,whiskey,women.

......see ? not that hard...........:^)


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:32 | 2383646 CH1
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The best thing for this country would be for Ron Paul to run against Barack Obama.

I love RP and am thrilled to see him speaking to crowds.

That said, there is NO WAY he becomes Prez - they'll remove him before he gets close. There's also very little chance he'd make it to a national candidacy, except maybe in a hospital.

It ain't gonna be fixed.

Time to walk away from the game and start building a better life... by yourself and with your neighbors.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 19:44 | 2384059 cooperbry
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Very well put.  Great comment.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:35 | 2384109 ISEEIT
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I've got three delegates in my family.

This is going to happen.

We will get our asses kicked, but that is fine. We will show.


And it will matter.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:03 | 2383571 Seorse Gorog fr...
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Just make Ron Paul the fucking president now! And I'm not even a fucking American! Either that or revolution!

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:28 | 2383770 L_Estasi_dell_Oro
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JFK had an insight:

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 18:00 | 2383955 GeezerGeek
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Great line from a guy who had the lawful leader of South VietNam murdered.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:43 | 2384115 NidStyles
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You mean the dictator that was implanted by the French years before and that was known for being brutal and unforgiving to opposition? Give me a fucking break.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 01:31 | 2384387 Breaker
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So it was a good murder. As opposed to an icky murder?

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:04 | 2383575 peekcrackers
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"His goal is to give the American people something they have not had for generations, a CHOICE in November."

You must be a compleat jackass if you dont Vote RP 2012


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:59 | 2383746 Race Car Driver
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Still believe that voting fairytale, eh?


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:34 | 2384106 StychoKiller
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As you know:  If ya cain't solve the problem with the ballot box, the ammo box is next up in the rotation...

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:05 | 2383578 Oquities
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Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:07 | 2383579 toady
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Then there are those of us who have given up.

RP is the only one I would consider, but it looks like I won't have that option.

I'm expecting a low turnout.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:08 | 2383691 Temporalist
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The turnout for the primaries was your expectations have been exceeded.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:11 | 2383584 Crab Cake
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There are no solution under the current paradigm. I will write in RP, but one would be fool to think that either the ballot box or soap box make two shits of a difference at this point.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:02 | 2383748 Race Car Driver
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Then, why waste your time being foolish? Stay home. Do something productive... even if just taking a nap.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:45 | 2383792 fuu
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Who are you to decide if time spent by someone else is a waste.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 16:11 | 2383849 robertocarlos
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All 3 choices are a waste of time. It's team red or team blue or team about to get blown away. The only hope for America is General Patreaus stages a coup.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 16:57 | 2383884 Crab Cake
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I actually agree with you on the coup. One of the last unknowns is how does the military fit into the domestic picture; as it is the last line of defense before citizen warfare, and or its instigator. This is a deadly tightrope though; the stuff of dictators and dead republics. I wager well see if the oaths to the Constitution are worth anything soon enough. One of my best case scenarios, on a truly terrifying list I might add, for the US is a "benevolent" coup.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:17 | 2383586 LongSoupLine
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It's unfortunately going to come down as Paul being a "write-in"

That's what I plan to do in this farse labeled as "democracy".

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:49 | 2383734 CH1
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That's what I plan to do in this farse labeled as "democracy".

I understand, but when you're done, please consider walking away from it all.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:35 | 2384110 StychoKiller
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"Walking away" implies walking towards something else.  WHAT might that be?

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 21:37 | 2384154 CH1
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That would be building your own world, your way.

No boss, no giver of orders - you give your own orders and take responsibility for your own life.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:20 | 2383588 q99x2
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Ok I vote for RP but where are all the retarded people going to work if not in the Government? The TSA or DHS might be in jeorpordy as well.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:09 | 2383631 Ace Ventura
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Now that's funny right there, I don't care who ya are!  +1

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:22 | 2383589 rodocostarica
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Never give up Ron Paul!!!

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:26 | 2383591 Motorhead
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If it weren't for Ron Paul, I'd write in Pat Paulsen.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:48 | 2383612 sagerxx
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Or write in Robert Paulsen.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:06 | 2383627 toady
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In death a member of Project Mayhem has a name.

His name is Robert Paulsen.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:39 | 2383721 pops
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Maybe this time Harold Stassen can pull it off.



Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:27 | 2383592 I am Jobe
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Amerika has become so fucking inbred that no one knows how to think. Parents and kids alike.

Shows the complete stupidty in the USSA

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:07 | 2383629 Ace Ventura
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Not inbred. Indoctrinated. In that sense we aren't much different from the rest of the world. Unfortunately, despite creating the best type of self-government ever conceived, it only took 236 years of indoctrination for us to fully destroy it.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:29 | 2383593 tony bonn
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a vote for obama or romney is a vote for adolph hitler.

the concentration camps in america grow like weeds. romney was a corrupt dishonest records shredder in massachusetts and will make george bush look like an amateur murderer instead of the professional one that he was (9/11, afghanistan, iraq, etc)....the bush crime syndicate thrives....

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:51 | 2383735 CH1
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Well, I wouldn't say Hitler, but the game is for suckers... that's for sure.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:31 | 2383597 HurricaneSeason
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If Ron Paul got elected, he'd still have to answer to the banks that make any important decision or they would threaten 20% interest rates and martial law and total destruction of the country. If they want a war or new tax, that's what it'll be until it implodes. They can't put import taxes on the 25 cent Chinese labor or make "American" companies bring their foreign profits home to be taxed. If they did that, prices at Walmart would quadruple. All they can do is start more wars to provide employment and great profits for the military industrial complex and let the tax base disappear while the safety net costs explode. Ron Paul could only give the play by play. It's too late to do little tweaks. It's the millions of government tweaks that screwed things up anyway and congress would only vote with Paul to raise their wages and the like.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:51 | 2383613 Vince Clortho
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So, therefore, continue to vote for the squid puppets ... ?

Ron Paul cannot single-handedly bring the entire cartel to its knees ...  I think we all understand that.

All great changes begin somewhere, sometimes with a small step, or an individual act of defiance.

Step One for the American people right now is to Wake Up.

Ron Paul is attempting to wake up sleeping Americans to the ugly reality of who is controlling their country.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:13 | 2383634 cossack55
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Mon, 04/30/2012 - 11:27 | 2385129 Demologos
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Created by the hedge funds to put another banker's stooge in should either Obama or Romney appear to be unelectable.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:35 | 2383658 HurricaneSeason
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I haven't voted in years, but if the right candidate showed up in my district, I would. A candidate like Marion Barry or Sarah Palin. There was a candidate in Sarasota Florida that fought some police officers and was running for the state legislature. The reason he was fighting with them was because he thought they were travelers from outer space. I really wanted to vote for that guy, but he wasn't in my district.

I think Obama should max out the credit card. Build warehouse full of whatever the Chinese will send. Sell bonds backed by the warehouses and derivatives on those bonds. Paul would tighten the belt and make things real tough now, based on the theory that the government could then build a grand utopia 10 or 20 years down the road. I have 99% confidence that they could make things much tougher now and 1% confidence anything could be made better 10 or 20 years down the road.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:52 | 2383738 CH1
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I haven't voted in years, but if the right candidate showed up in my district, I would.

I used to say the same, but not anymore. The "government" is a giant beast, comprised of millions of parasites.

Changing a few of the televised faces is almost meaningless.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 16:50 | 2383879 Cathartes Aura
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indeed, voting is the least one can do. . .

meantime, as you are suggesting, dis-engage from the scenery & do something for yourself, family & community.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 18:15 | 2383975 CaptainObvious
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Dude, do you ever read any of the articles the Tylers post?  That credit card has been maxed for at least ten years already.  We just keep opening up new credit cards (bond auctions, trade deficits, new taxes, higher taxes, debt ceiling increases) to keep the can rolling down the road.  Eventually the nation will, like a compulsive gambler who just pissed away his last stake and has no more buddies to borrow from, either go bankrupt or dissolve in an orgy of destruction.  I have a feeling I know which one's going to happen.  Hint:  It won't be the reasonable option Iceland chose.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:51 | 2383680 Amagnonx
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What RP could do if elected President is talk to people everyday, and explain all the things they need to know.  It is very hard to ignore the President - and if he wants TV time, he is in a position to get it.


I think more than anything - simply explaining the real situation from position of president, on TV would be well enough - after all, people are conditioned to follow authority figures and believe TV.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:35 | 2383660 smb12321
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Please, a little reality!   I worked for the Paul campaign in '08 and was struck by how few Americans view the State as a threat to liberty.  Most thought Ron's views were so "odd" that he was soundbited to death.  I've always said that Ron's worst enemies were his supporters and their rabid "take no prisoner" attitudes.

Ideology is pure but politics is the art of compromise.   It's been that way since the founding of the Republic for obvious reasons - no one wants someone else's view imposed no matter how right they seem.  Any financial advisor will tell you that NOTHING is going to improve until Obama is gone.  That is the goal.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:42 | 2383670 ReeferMac
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I whole-heartedly agree. I don't think many sheeple see the state as a threat, either. When you talk about potentials, they simply don't believe it could happen. Cite historical examples, and they brush you off (because they don't remember that part of history class, I guess?)

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:19 | 2383705 worbsid
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Those same people never thought they would be searched before getting on an airplane either ... but alas if one creates enough fear they will submit willingly.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:14 | 2383695 Temporalist
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The founders did not fucking compromise on Liberty, money (gold and silver), taxation, sovereignty, limited and enumerated powers (with checks and balances), engaging in war without approval (foreign affairs), being a republic instead of democracy nor religion.  So there goes that senseless remark.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:31 | 2384103 AurorusBorealus
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The number of Americans receiving "entitlement" payments or who soon will be receiving "entitlement" payments nearly guarantees that Ron Paul cannot win any national election.  The simple fact of the matter is that "the people" have the government they voted for and the "the people" will support the status quo until its final hour.  What comes after, only God can know.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 19:24 | 2384030 defencev
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For starters, it is possible to encourage US corporations to bring their overseas profits back to America. It is simple. It should be tax free for them. Of course, it would lead to the strenghtening of US dollar which is not the government game (they try to get rid of dollar-denominated debt by debasing the currency). By the way, a lot of left wing crap about growing wealth gap in US stems from the simple fact that US corporations mostly earn their profits overseas due to difference in labor cost.

   Let me try one more time to sugest the strategy for Ron Paul (the only one which is realistic). Those who saw the most recent exchange between Paul and Bernanke, know that Paul raised the issue of allowing Americans to use Gold and Silver as exchange

media instead of paper money. That would validate the Constitutional right of States to issue Gold and Silver money. The only practical obstacle to that is capital gain tax when Gold or Silver sold or bought.

  Ron Paul should bargain with Romney that elimination of this tax should be precondition for his support of Romney as GOP Presidential nominee.  Introduction of alternative barter system in US based on Gold and Silver as a media of exchange will protect Americans who are willing to participate in it in case (of inevitable) collapse of US currency.

   Just tell me, what is wrong with this Proposal? Those people who plan to do anything except for voting for Romney will definitely help Obama reelection and hence establishing a Marxist regime which will follow immediately after collapse of US dollar and confiscation of precious metals from Americans.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:34 | 2383598 max2205
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Obama is counting on continued MSM oppression of truths to eke him by.

The true disappointment of the last 4 years has been the neutering of the press. Too bad for US

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:13 | 2383637 sskid
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The press has been a collection of lying whores my entire life, this is not a recent development, they have not been neutered they never had any balls to begin with.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 19:12 | 2384029 WonderDawg
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Sounds like maybe your eyes opened four years ago. The press has been a propoganda machine for decades.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:39 | 2383604 bugs_
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Suppose Ron Paul did win the presidency.

What tools would he really have to inflict true change?

Primarily it would be the veto pen and it would be used to precipitate a government shutdown.

Would the electorate support a government shutdown this time when they did not in previous shutdowns?

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:59 | 2383622 Ace Ventura
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First off, he could recall the entire U.S. military from overseas. This requires no approval from congress or signing of 3,000 page legislative abortions. Right off the bat, untold billions would be saved, and the government would not have to shut down anything. At least not immediately. Then he could get to work phasing out the deeply entrenched tentacles of leviathan in all manner of domestic life. No way he could accomplish this in his two terms, but he could certainly get the ball rolling.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:16 | 2383641 Screwball
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I would like to think RP and the veto pen would not have allowed the moral hazard inducing TARP and other bailouts, and these festering piles of insolvency known as the criminal TBTF banks would not be here.

Just a thought.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:26 | 2383711 worbsid
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He could get rid of a couple dozen czars. He could get the DOJ working overtime on the fraud in banking and the government.  DOEnergy, DOEducation, and a few others could be trimmed without congress.  Etc. Etc. open your mind and there are thousands, no, hundreds of thousands of ways to improve this bucket we are driving into the wall. 

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 15:32 | 2383829 ebworthen
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"Would the electorate support a government shutdown this time when they did not in previous shutdowns?"

Sounds good to me.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 18:18 | 2383978 CaptainObvious
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The first thing he could do is write an executive order rescinding all those heinous executive orders the other jackals instituted.  You don't think that would change anything?  Then read some of the executive orders in existence and tell me otherwise.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:49 | 2383610 sagerxx
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Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:51 | 2383615 BobPaulson
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Paul knows his chance of winning the nomination is exactly 0.0 percent, so I hope people are not too delusional out there. What he is trying to do, bravely, honestly and with great determination, is to get his issues into the national discussion; he won't run as an independent because he doesn't want a repeat scenario of Perot in 92. For an independent to have the slightest chance he would have to be rich like Perot but sit squarely in the middle of the political "spectrum" like Paul does on many issues.

So I am saying Paul could win as an independent if he were younger (needs more time to raise more money) and if he could undo the MSM's effort to paint him as ultra-right.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:45 | 2383664 samsara
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Your mistake is thinking that Ron Paul's Campaign has one goal of being elected as president. 

He has already fulfilled much of his goals.  Take 40 seconds or so and see the effects of his REAL goal.            Just listen to what he says, and listen to the students at UCLA's response.   THAT is a generation that will not go quietly into that good election.....     Most of all listen to what he says at 4:45ish and what that really means.           Any and ALL people of all ages who have been 'Woken' up by Dr. Paul will NOT,  will NOT support Obama or Romney EVER.   Unlike the Newt(ered) supporters, or the Sanitarium supporters.  They will not be corralled back into the fold.   EVER, They have been awaken to the understanding that both parties are a hoax.   Watch the video,  there is a whole generation that is waking up.  No small part to Dr. Paul.
Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:39 | 2383665 smb12321
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I;ve talked to Ron about this once and he absolutely refused a third party run due to the immense time and effort it would take raising money.  He pointed out that 3rd parties that do well are  privately financed (think Perot) and it would just too difficult to get funding.  It all comes down to money, I guess.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:01 | 2383686 Harbanger
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Ron Paul like everyone in the TP is working hard to take back the Republican Party from the Establishment.   It will take a few election cycles, but it will get done.  His son Rand Paul, a TP member, has a great future within the Repubs.  

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:21 | 2383762 WAMO556
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Go FOAD! I am glad that you aren't leading any men in: Battle, corporations, or any contest that requires having a daring attitude, fortitude and guts. What a toad!!! You DON'T JUST FIGHT the battles that you can win, You fight the battles that need to be fought!

Wed, 05/02/2012 - 14:38 | 2391828 BobPaulson
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If you mean figurative battles maybe - but the philosophical graveyard is full of futile wastes of goodwill and good effort. I am more about keeping the powder dry.

If you mean real battles where you send other people's kids to die, I defer to Sun Tzu.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:58 | 2383618 tarpuranus
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"What turned the US from a wilderness to the most free and prosperous nation in history was the smallest government ever seen."

Amen!  So what would happen with Zero Gov'mt ?

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:12 | 2383633 cossack55
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Paradise would break out all over.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:41 | 2383667 smb12321
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This should be posted on every web site. 

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:43 | 2384117 Harbanger
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Maybe then we'd have free markets.  But if you wanted America to fail, this is what you'd do...

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:42 | 2383669 HurricaneSeason
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You wouldn't be able to flush your toilet and you'd be stacking the garbage high. There already is a 25 square mile mad max zone in Detroit with no fire, police or garbage collection. Houses are cheap.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:15 | 2383698 MeelionDollerBogus
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You wouldn't need to flush your toilet - composting toilets work quite well - and you wouldn't need to stack your garbage either - many of us are actually clever enough to realize you don't need 10x packaging in plastic whereas paper-wrapping or a re-usable box would work very well. See, that's ignorance and subsidy for you.

Corporations and people have learned to be wasteful in production and wasteful in every part of living expecting government to clean up after them. There was a day when we flat out didn't do that and it was a better day in terms of waste per-person and waste per-product.

Now that we have recycling technology we can use that in addition to sensible approaches to urban sprawl and nature. In other words no one ever need pile garbage again. Ever.

Add to that thermal depolymerization: turning garbage into oil.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:26 | 2383710 Temporalist
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I literally almost wrote the exact same thing, then changed it to my sarcastic reply below, only to see that you wrote this at the very moment I was.

Strange days indeed.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 15:36 | 2383831 MeelionDollerBogus
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very much so!

And here I was thinking my replies like so many others might be lost in the fray and get no votes up or down :D got 7 so far...

I guess it's my own fault for being the MDB-mockery-clone so at times it's funny but at times I'm ignored on the basis my 'sole existence' would be to mock MDB. I actually think MDB's funny even when the comments are quite offensively ignorant but I've seen enough of the implied /sarc to know that MDB is not indeed "genuine" in the literal sense.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 21:33 | 2384150 NidStyles
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Yeah just blame the public for the corporations that chose their packaging on their own, right?

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 22:46 | 2384238 MeelionDollerBogus
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Market participants share blame according to their level of participation - production and payments. I avoid buying such packages so companies have less financial incentive to be so wasteful.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:20 | 2383707 Temporalist
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You are so right...humanity never existed before flushable toilets and garbage collection.  It's a good thing god invented both on the 2nd day.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:35 | 2383720 blunderdog
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If you want liberty and prefer to live without flushible toilets and garbage collection, it's not like anyone's stopping you.

You can tow a cabin into the woods in most states in the USA and no one would ever notice.  It's a big country.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 17:02 | 2383888 Cathartes Aura
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I'm all for composting toilets, low-to-zero packaging, etc. - but you're subtly highlighting something not yet taken into account - the "olden days" had billions fewer people using outhouses & burning their trash. . .

when your fancy suburb neighbourhood has everyone burning their. . . shit. . . up close and personal - there will be conflicts, to say the least.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:11 | 2384084 blunderdog
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You'd think people would realize: there's something intrinsically self-defeating about boasting about one's enthusiasm to return to a 19th century standard of living on the fucking INTERNET.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 21:53 | 2384176 NidStyles
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What is with you morons that always say it can only be one way or another?

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 12:32 | 2385292 blunderdog
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Because most of what comprises "modern life" is inextricably intertwined with our current institutions and structures.

About 50% of the global population is urban, and you can't sustain cities without huge infrastructure, including very intensive communications, transport, and resource dependencies.

Most of the infrastructure that was built which enabled high population densities cannot be maintained without constant ongoing investment in both the actual mechanical elements AND the "legal" frameworks.  People here complain constantly about the size of the Federal goverment, but the main reason it has become so intrusive is because individuals (corporations, actually) *demanded* intervention.

Understanding this really shouldn't be beyond your ability.  Consider for a few minutes how you can provide water to ANY city of more than 2 million people.

Or keep the same strategy--skip the thinking part and just call people names.  It's obviously done a great deal for you.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 23:10 | 2384263 Cathartes Aura
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I have both interwebs and a composting toilet situation, and know many others who live similarly - it's really just about not being connected to "city sewer" - my point was merely a realisation that not every first worlder can make that conversion whilst trying to maintain their 'burbia.

it's not 19th century as much as it's living with some awareness of what you want, and what you're prepared to surrender or work towards achieving it. . .

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 12:36 | 2385305 blunderdog
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   a composting toilet situation, and know many others who live similarly - it's really just about not being connected to "city sewer"

The poster I was responding to wasn't talking about composting toilets--he was talking about FLUSHABLE toilets.

A modern composting toilet is not 19th century technology.  We *can* go back to stone-age technology as a species.  Realizing this isn't some kind of great insight.  It doesn't really get us anywhere.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 19:36 | 2384047 Harbanger
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Sure they existed but they stank.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:16 | 2383759 WAMO556
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Sun, 04/29/2012 - 11:59 | 2383620 bnbdnb
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Is there any reason a candidate running for president can't just make up a party name and run on that "Democrat, Not Obama?"

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:47 | 2383678 Vince Clortho
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getting on the ballot is the trick.  The current system set up our uber-lords makes this a rather stifling process for someone who is not backed by $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:29 | 2384101 Harbanger
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It's best to remain hopeful.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:00 | 2383623 David Wooten
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Even if Ron Paul does not get in, it is important for him to carry the message for getting rid of the Federal Reserve and the IRS, not to mention the EPA and the killer agency (FDA), and to end the drive for empire.  The collapse is coming whether the PTB want it or not and the next 'wave' will be driven by the dominant ideas of today, good ones or bad ones.  Ron Paul's ideas are the good ones.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:24 | 2383768 Lucky Guesst
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Exactly. I cant believe Obama or Romney either one even want the job. They both have to know that they have no idea how to fix anything and that they will be hated and called out for every mistake and blunder that they put us through.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 17:34 | 2383934 granolageek
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I went to college in Ron Paul's home town (Pittsburgh) before there was an EPA. And then I got to see acid rain first hand up here in New England.


I have yet to hear a plausible explanation of how he would prevent a return to pre-1970 Pittsburgh, or why preventing a power plant in Ohio from poisoning my fishing lake in New Hampshire is not a valid exercise of federal power.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 18:27 | 2383988 David Wooten
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All 'federal power' as you call it ultimately ends up under the control of (and in favor of) those who are politically-connected and is used against those who are not politically-connected.  If the EPA is preventing 'your' fishing lake from being poisoned by a power plant in Ohio, their purpose in doing so is more likely for the benefit of some other power plant (that pollutes more or gets taxpayer subsidies), etc. than it is to benefit you - unless you or 'your' lake's other users are politically-connected.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 18:34 | 2383996 JW n FL
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granolageek ,


Bro.. understand the Majority of the Audience that you are speaking too..

Evangelical Christians.. who pray for the end of the World..

and just because your tap water glows green, blue, purple or any other color..

is not their problem.

their job is to spread the word and turn the other cheek for everything else.. like your or your children’s problems.

The Koch Brothers.. are who you want to talk too.. they are reasonable nice Jewish boys.

The Koch’s would LOVE to help you fix some of the pollution issues that you have communicated to these evangelicals, they are following their GUT(s). They are ALL! stuck on a feeling!


P.S. enjoy the Money hole video as well!



Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:14 | 2383638 JR
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Thanks for a good analysis.

The media’s impatience to get Ron Paul to suspend his campaign reflects the danger to Establishment candidates – Obama and Romney – if the Paul campaign continues.

Romney strategists know that their biggest obstacle in defeating Obama is not Ron Paul but the Ron Paul supporters. Paul supporters are not likely in this milieu to support or work for Romney in the general election campaign; in fact, at this stage, every state group that has worked for Ron Paul is likely to be an active opponent.

Additionally, a large number of delegates have yet to be selected, including those states where primaries already have been run and Romney declared a victor. The media’s calculation of how many delegates each candidate now has is incredibly inaccurate, not only for Ron Paul but for Santorum and Gingrich as well.

With only two candidates remaining until the GOP convention, Ron Paul with a nationwide organization of activists and healthy campaign contributions still coming in can draw distinctions between the elite political parties and free thinking Americans as never before. This is a great opportunity for Ron Paul and a major problem for Romney.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:53 | 2383740 worbsid
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If you want to see something that will make you laugh and then cry watch this Face The Nation interview with Ron Paul.  This is exactly  how the media works.


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 18:39 | 2384001 JW n FL
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More Vote Fraud - Georgia Must See 2012 ELECTION BEING RIGGED!

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 23:03 | 2384253 JR
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These are the signs of the cancer in a once great political party; it can’t win with fair elections so it has to cheat.  When there’s a groundswell and it’s going against the Establishment, they feel they’ve got to stop it

This is the sign of a dead party.

From Maine to Nevada to Washington, we’ve had these railroading tactics against the Ron Paul campaign.  They’ve got to stop him!!  He’ll ruin their "system."  If you want to know why Ron Paul is dangerous to them,  this is it. The party bosses are operating from a position of weakness – pushing ahead with inferior candidates. Those inferior candidates are the ones who go on to lose to the liberals; why should a liberal vote for a liberal-lite when he can have the real thing, someone who supports all his issues? And one of the best examples was John McCain.

The Republican Establishment we’re seeing in action is the same group that selected John McCain and the media was delighted! Some liberals liked him, yes, but why take McCain when you can have Obama?

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 20:08 | 2384043 WonderDawg
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Every time RP destroyed the guy's position, he said, "Well, moving on..." I had to laugh. RP hit him like Dexter Manley taking out Danny White in the '82 NFC championship game.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 18:40 | 2384002 JW n FL
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More Vote Fraud - Georgia Must See 2012 ELECTION BEING RIGGED!



Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:15 | 2383640 Zero Debt
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Too many customers without enough servers drives folks elsewhere in search of better customer service in the real business world

The government has customers? The business is government, and the government is business? This is called fascism - the merger of state and corporate power.

Here is a free documentary video (1:41:52) about Corporate Fascism: The Destruction of America's Middle Class in YouTube:

But make no mistake, this trend is not limited to America, this is a world-wide trend.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:41 | 2383668 Milestones
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Tried to give ya a greeenie, but it didn't register.           Milestones

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 17:37 | 2383936 The Gooch
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ditto. welcome to CISPA.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:43 | 2383671 MeelionDollerBogus
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Here's another one: What is Fascism, audio from Von Mises institute I gather from credits - by the way no one can vote up or down on your comment because it starts with italics

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:07 | 2383690 Zero Debt
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Thanks for the link.

Didn't know about the italics bug, think it was a citation block though.


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 19:36 | 2384050 WonderDawg
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Just put a space in first, before the italics, should allow for votes.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:43 | 2383672 FeralSerf
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Too many customers without enough servers drives folks elsewhere in search of better customer service in the real business world 

That falsely implies that being a taxpaying subject of said government is voluntary.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:45 | 2383677 onlooker
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Deflection attention from the real Question


The trick and wrong part of the above is the singular (Question) rather than Questions.


The hard Questions are maybe 10 or 100 with subsets. This is for the Presidential and Vice Pres. Then there are questions and subsets (largely different for each category) for the Senate, House, Governor, and on down the line of elected officials including Judges and sheriff.


A recent story on the inability of 40% of Americans to properly read and understand the directions on a container of medication is but a small indicator of the mental abilities of the U.S. voter. Another recent story said that only about 25% of our young people qualify for the U.S. military. Given that smarts are not the only disqualifier, drugs and criminal records being on the list.


If my paragraphs above are in the ball park, there are at least two difficult problems.

  1. There are way too many issues for the voter to be well informed.
  2. There are way too few voters who have the ability to usefully process the information in order to cast a well rounded vote.


Then there is the obvious to most ZH readers. The information system sucks. It takes a lot of time to glean information that then has to be balanced with other information. Unless, you are reading a bill that is law or becoming law. But, then time is again a big factor. As a starter try reading your tax code.


Depending upon the NPR, CBS, ABC, NBC, and other main stream news systems to produce clear and factual news information is now of questionable benefit.  


With representative Government, we vote for whom we hope will do the best job for our interests. Unfortunately, that hinges upon honesty and integrity. Without oversight and the ability to control criminal and other bad behavior, Representative government does not work.  

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:50 | 2383679 Vince Clortho
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Well let's start educating our neighbors.

And make no mistake, there is one main issue, one 800 pound gorilla in the room that dwarfs all others.

Let's deal with that main issue first and then we can concentrate on the household chores.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 22:25 | 2384211 NidStyles
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Doing away with the Federal Reserve system will solve a lot of those other "issues" (read as symptoms to the actual problem).

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 12:52 | 2383681 TicoTiger
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One can make (at least) a superficial comparison between Ron Paul's current delegate strategy with Warren G. Harding's winning delegate strategy, which resulted in the largest presidential popular vote landslide in American history (60% to 34%).

It now appears that Ron Paul's organization has won half or more of the delegates of at least three of the five states needed to become nominated at the Republican National Convention: Iowa, Minnesota and Washington. He may well also win in North Dakota and Maine in the next weeks. Of course the fraudulent MSM continues to ignore him but hopefully the old corrupt convention stew may well get a good stirring up in Tampa this year.

Of course it's a long road to Washington and even if Paul manages to win it would not be surprising if he "passed away" suddenly and tragically, perhaps on a trip, just like Warren Harding.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:17 | 2383701 cjbosk
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Paul doesn't stand a chance, I like the guy, love his fiscal ideology but 1) the lame stream media chose our candidate, 2) most American's are too f'n stupid to understand just what's happening to us as a coutry and 3) politics is the ultimate charade of who can look better on stage et. al., not RP's strength.  Remember, don't shoot the messenger here.

One thing in the article I do disagree with entirely is the following: "The debt morass sucking down the entire world is happening in Europe, not in the US. The lack of jobs and economic opportunity wearing "main street" down is a result of "unfair competition" from Asia, and China in particular"

Though Europe is a massive issue; over-regulation, poor/anti energy policies currently, lack of corporate confidence in the political and tax environement to come, excruciating transfer payments, I can go on and on here.  Point is, the current crisis of confidence in the [Obama] economy and his [lack of] leadership is crushing any chance of a recovery.  I think the U.S. could potentially decouple from the Eurozone if we had a raging economy, not going to happen though thanks to the aforementioned.

All I know is this, if Obummer gets a second term, Heaven help us all as the end result could be dire indeed!

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:56 | 2383744 Meatier Shower
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"One thing in the article I do disagree with entirely is the following: "The debt morass sucking down the entire world is happening in Europe, not in the US. The lack of jobs and economic opportunity wearing "main street" down is a result of "unfair competition" from Asia, and China in particular."

You misunderstood. The article is saying that that is what Obama, Bernanke, Geithner and Romney believe.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 19:33 | 2384044 Milestones
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Your last comment lacked one word, they WANT the shepple to believe that. They sure as hell know better.          Milestones

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 16:49 | 2383878 Poor Grogman
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Low probability events happen sometimes, get over it...

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:41 | 2383729 insanelysane
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Unfortunately Paul doesn't have a shot as too many people are ingrained into the 2 party system and Mr. Paul falls outside of both parties' real agenda.  The electorate is too fucking stupid besides.  In the Massachusetts' senate race, Elizabeth Warren, a Harvard U professor making $350k/yr, has ads on tv complaining how the high cost of education is hurting young Americans.  The sheeple eat it up.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:44 | 2383732 1C3-N1N3
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"A large population requires a large government service organization"

No. A large population requires a large market. Jag-off.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:47 | 2383733 Bagbalm
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If 80% of the people voted for Paul you'd never know it. The party members run the election and own the software.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 13:54 | 2383741 Dapper Dan
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BREAKING NEWS: MSM and others.



Ron Pauls Wife reveals truth about their early marriage,

"Ron was looking at other womens viginas, sometimes touching them while I was home raising our kids"

Over 4000 women have testified.

  see story on page 3.


*see how easy it is to discredit Mr Paul in these United States?

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:16 | 2383758 Lucky Guesst
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Neither Romney or Obama have said anything that makes sense about how to fix a single problem we are facing. Everything that comes out of Ron Pauls mouth has sounded true and right to me. I'd vote for RP if I knew it was the only vote the man would get. I'm not following the crowd or doing what I'm told. I'm voting for Ron Paul because I believe he is the best man for the job. I cant control what others will do but at the very minimum I can vote honestly. We will get exactly who we collectively deserve.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:39 | 2383785 snarkolepsy
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I didn't think RP had a chance to win until a month ago. Just browse through youtube and you will see the crowds he is drawing everywhere. And is is winning delegates - It seems every day.

Just search for - ron paul delegates,today - on youtube.


Sun, 04/29/2012 - 14:41 | 2383787 ebworthen
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Obama or Romney...a choice between having teeth pulled or a colonoscopy.

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