Deja Vu All Over Again: An Unsolicited Whitney Tilson Explains Why He Is Short Green Mountain, Long Netflix

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Sun, 11/13/2011 - 23:33 | 1874606 trav7777
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dumbasses, bitchez

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:00 | 1874644 Careless Whisper
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Mister Tilson's hedge fund needs a new business model. May I suggest the following: sell worthless (aka shitty) CDOs to Police and Teacher Pension Funds, then buy Credit Default Swaps that pay big bucks when the shitty CDOs default. Why re-invent the wheel?


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:15 | 1874657 X.inf.capt
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and when that wave pushes us onto that reef....


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 10:12 | 1875305 Pegasus Muse
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:26 | 1876436 Barbar
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actually below 80 netflix is a good buy if you care to look at their financials.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 01:07 | 1874753 Freddie
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Who runs a hedge fund out of NYC?   I thought the good ones were in CT or even Long Island like Simons.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 01:33 | 1874788 Freddie
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LOL!  Are you serious? This guy's returns match the S&P 500?  You can get that from SPY or even the cheaper ishares S&P500 ETF.  I wopuld guess you can get an S&P 500 ETF for less than 20 basis points.  Who invests with this clueless clown?

Sun, 11/13/2011 - 23:34 | 1874608 caerus
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too little too late i think...

Sun, 11/13/2011 - 23:37 | 1874610 Hopium Dealer
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Netflix will never be a $150 stock again, let alone, $300.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:12 | 1874659 onarga74
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Jackin their prices up when everyone was trying to figure out what to cut back had to be one of the top corporate blunders of the year. 

Sun, 11/13/2011 - 23:46 | 1874623 Freebird
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Exactly, who friggin cares?
Regarding these muppets, that vegetable byrani has been quiet lately no

Sun, 11/13/2011 - 23:50 | 1874629 tom a taxpayer
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Uh-oh…Obama and Christine Lagarde - the hot, new POWER couple.

  Was that Obama surfing in Hawaii?


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:07 | 1874653 whoisjohngalt11
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They do make a beautiful couple ;-)

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 01:14 | 1874765 slewie the pi-rat
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i think he's a little bit old for her, altho christine will never be the darling of the private high school boyz like our blythe

if we had a caption contest:  "Qadaffi's gold?  No...Sylvio told me you had it..."

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 02:28 | 1874871 MsCreant
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He wants to suck her nose. I feel the tension.

Sun, 11/13/2011 - 23:57 | 1874640 disabledvet
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What did i do to lose my blue status?

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:04 | 1874649 jmoney
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When was the last time Whitney had an ORIGiNAL mountain after einhorh, Lear after Ichan, and who knows how many positions following ackman .....why does anyone listen to this follower?

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:10 | 1874655 navy62802
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The T2 fund performance chart above also shows a lack of originality and foresight.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 01:44 | 1874806 Freddie
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He could have just bought the S&P 500 or do what "smart" mutual fund managers do - buy Berkshare Hathaway.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:04 | 1874650 Astute Investor
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Publishing his investment treatise on a Sunday?  Tilson must be trying to show he is the hardest working man in show business, but it won't change the fact that T2's returns still suck.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 01:08 | 1874755 Freddie
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Maybe Tilson can get a job as a junio analyst at Bridgewater.  Sucky returns only last so long in the hedge fund world.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:12 | 1874658 Roy T
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Tilson completely ignored the huge off balance sheet content expense items that NFLX has to bring on eventually, including the recent one billion dollar deal for hit shows like Gossip Girl or some other nonsense.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:17 | 1874660 MrPalladium
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Oh, boy!!

These investment analysts do not understand the entertainment business and do not understand the power of copyright. Netflix streaming is a pipeline operation and they do not own the pipeline. Amazon actually does the streaming for them.

In contrast, the media libraries and content owners will, over the long haul, extract all the profits. The price of content for Netflix has gone up ten fold over the past 3 and 4 year licensing cycle, and nary a word in the analysis about whether this catastrophic cost trend will continue.

What nobody seems to understand is that, unlike patent protection, copyright is for all practical purposes perpetual. The fact that Reed Hastings fails to understand this simple fact is fatal to the long run profitability of the company. Back when NFLX was trading north of $280, it could have purchased LionsGate (LGF) at a 100% premium for about $2 billion in stock. If it had done so, NFLX would have attained a blocking position. No other streaming company could ever have purchased the rights to stream Lionsgate's 8000 film library plus its television distribution properties. If Hastings really believed in the future of streaming he would have pursued several other media properties simultaneously as well.

What he did instead was to sell a huge percentage of his personal stock holdings while NFLX was the coctail talk darling stock.

He missed the boat and will end up, if he is lucky, with the equivalent of a new and unexciting public utility equivalent driving up the stocks of media companies such as LGF.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:08 | 1875196 fourchan
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that entire report misses that.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:14 | 1874662 Buffet's Jet
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I'm gonna fade this if that's all right

That guy is right in the pit about to get barrelled and just leaps of his board into the lip like that. WTF? Oh wait I get it. I didn;t know Tilson could surf


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:20 | 1874665 Conman
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The momo ride is over.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:26 | 1874674 SunBlaster
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Even the name Netflix implies you gonna get screwed, it's worth $35-$40 per share max, not more than that.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:32 | 1874689 random shots
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Geez, Tyler...the way you are kicking the poor guy you think he forgot to pay his Zero Hedge advertising dues...err...uhh...yea...

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:44 | 1874712 Coldfire
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You'd have to be an idiot to give money to this Tilson fellow. Those performance charts are fu-gly.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 01:20 | 1874777 chump666
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That surfer try to kill himself? Hilarious, just jumped right into the rolling lip.  Then the rocks.  That guy is f*cking dead.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 03:26 | 1874909 jomama
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epic wipe out, dude, watch that reef!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 03:42 | 1874920 Colonel
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Nice animated gif Tyler. All that's needed to go with it is the Beach Boys
Wipe Out song.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 06:28 | 1875007 Carlyle Groupie
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This time, "it will be different.".

I believe! Praise be. The lord will provide.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 07:38 | 1875065 Taint Boil
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Deer in the headlights = you see it coming.

Wipeout = you never saw it coming.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 08:43 | 1875137 tmftdoyle
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Mr. Tilson suggests that Netflix Enterprise Value/Subscriber of $199 makes it cheap relative to other media company's valuations without discussing the impact of monthly churn or monthly free cash flow per subscriber. Netflix, with monthly churn pushing 5 percent, and negative cash flow per subscriber (when one accounts for the payable build related to streaming rights), is laughably overpriced at $200 per subscrber. Drop a zero Whitney and you get toward an appropriate per subscriber value.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:04 | 1875181 privatehedge
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Perfect Tyler - in the pocket , all it needed was a commitment to make it - classic metaphor for these market. indecision = injury / harm .

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