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Brooklyn Deli Clerk's Face Slashed Open For Refusing To Sell Beer For Food Stamps

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The face of Yemeni deli clerk Mutahar Murshed Ali was slashed nearly in two for committing that most grievous of offenses: refusing to "sell" a Colt 45 to a drunk 20 year-old in exchange for foodstamps (whose usage Zero Hedge readers know, recently reverted back to all time highs). Of course, Ali was perfectly in his right to refuse to exchange booze for EBT: we reported recently that "New York would prohibit welfare recipients from spending their tax-funded benefits on cigarettes, alcohol, gambling, and strip clubs under a bill passed overwhelmingly by the state Senate." That however appears to not have bothered the assailant, who nearly cut off the deli vendor's face off in retaliation for not getting the "entitled" quid-pro-handout.

From NY Daily News:"His face almost fell off,” said witness Abdul Bin Ock, 17. "His cheek ripped. There was so much blood. Every time he looks in the mirror, he has to see the same scar the rest of his life," Ock added. The suspect fled the blood-spattered bodega on Broadway near Gates Ave. — and is being hunted by cops. Ali, a married father from Yemen, was rushed to Kings County Hospital, where he received multiple stitches... The slasher "was drunk, falling and stumbling." Prior to the confrontation, Ali said, he saw the man receive cash from an underage girl outside the store. Ali believes the man was planning to buy the beer for the girl — and make money on the deal by using his food stamp card."

In retrospect: cash in exchange for barter in exchange for handout... Not a bad idea for a nationa increasingly reliant on "assured" entitlements for its survival.

As for Ali: did the cut up foreign father and husband file for immediate disability benefits (for which he is ineligible)? "A shaken-up Ali returned to the store hours later."


“It happened so fast,” Ali told The News. “He took the knife out of his pocket and it happened.”


A dramatic video obtained by The News shows Ali sitting in a chair behind the counter before the assailant slyly pulls out his blade. In a flash, he flops onto the counter and cuts open the helpless clerk’s face.


The suspect was described as a black man between the ages of 25 and 30, with short black hair and brown eyes, wearing black jeans and a white T-shirt — and carrying a black backpack.

And the video of the robbery:



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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:20 | 2714366 Gubbmint Cheese
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Billy Dee Williams does not approve..

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:21 | 2714373 Hippocratic Oaf
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Like I said in earlier's coming people!

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:25 | 2714383 El Viejo
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Ban guns and knives will take their place.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:29 | 2714398 Bring the Gold
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You think this is bad, you should see what happens when Banksters don't get what they want...oh right that never happens.

Who gives a shit about this article again?

Oh noes! A random poor person committed assault, STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES! They were a minority too! OOOHHH scary!

Seriously what the fuck? Who gives a fuck?

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:30 | 2714414 financial apoca...
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It furthers the ZeroHedge agenda

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:41 | 2714476 francis_sawyer
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FaceBOOK shares have been slashed in half from their IPO too...

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:48 | 2714510 MsCreant
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I really shouldn't have laughed at that...

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:11 | 2714775 AldousHuxley
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 this is everyday America.


Woman snatched off the street, raped while waiting for a cab in second Brooklyn sex assault within hours Read more: Cops bust 15-year-old gunman accused of opening fire on Brooklyn basketball court, injuring four youngsters Read more: Cops bust thug who mugged 9-year-old in Bronx Read more:




Two men slashed with beer bottle in bloody Times Square subway brawl  Read more: Queens man charged with groping a sleeping  18-year-old on JetBlue flight  Read more: Woman, 24, sexually assaulted in Greenwich Village by stranger who offered to walk her home after a night of drinking  Read more:





Blacks actually work for a living and are dying while fighting for labor rights American learned after Ludlow strike versus Rockefellers...

34 miners on strike at South Africa’s Lonmin platinum mine killed by police  Read more:


Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:18 | 2714807 Campagnolo
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I am sure the one who did this was a black man. In Detroit they used to robbed the arabic bussines owners until these started killing a few niggas. It has nothing to do with the financial collapse, gold or Obama, it is simple and pure crime from the same ones, either in good or bad economies. Poor guy, think about their families, their lifes. And he came back to work the same, wow, my respect to the arabic guy and his courage. 

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:31 | 2714842 derek_vineyard
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i feel for the guy that got slashed......but Obama knows beer is primary for sustinence-----

BEER before BEANS   <<<<picket sign at food stamp debit card printing facility

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:24 | 2715233 TruthInSunshine
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How dare this Yemeni-born shop keeper deny the EBT Swiper his nutritious Colt 45 malt liquor, bitchez!

Give the people their new bread & circus (scatch & lose lotto tickets, Kool cigs & malt liquor) or there will be consequences!!

They gonna put y'all back in chain!

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:46 | 2715494 Campagnolo
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so concequences will be a eternal smile on your face bacause one refused to give the negro their beer and cigar with a EBT Tax money card?, gezz, we are screwed as a society then. Now, I understand why the arabs on Detroit carry massive guns on their stores, you need steel balls to do bussines in Detroit, police not even bother to stop the shootings that ocurr every day.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 18:54 | 2715655 Disenchanted
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Maybe a can of peas should have been offered instead. Surely the young brother would have been down with

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:26 | 2715726 chumbawamba
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The suspect was described as a black man between the ages of 25 and 30, with short black hair and brown eyes, wearing black jeans and a white T-shirt — and carrying a black backpack.

About a good fifth of of New York City is suspect.  Not to mention every black man between the ages of 25 and 30 with short black hair and brown eyes that lives somewhere within the jurisdiction of the United States.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 21:16 | 2715908 FEDbuster
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Just think how mad they will be when Uncle Sugar is unable to refill their EBT cards.  

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 06:17 | 2716268 derek_vineyard
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guess the 'how to slash non black cashier' reality series will debit on BET tv very soon

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 12:39 | 2716675 Campagnolo
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they will be burning entire cities!!, at the end that's what they like most: chaos, entropy, so the crime can continue without obstacles. Just look Detroit, a city in ashes. Even the last mayor, Kuamme Kilpatrick is in prison now for unlimited numbers of criminal activities.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:39 | 2714866 AldousHuxley
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democrats give out EBT to these animals and republicans and catholics want to ban abortion....


In Iowa, blacks are 3% of the population but commit 30% of homicide, 8% rape, 50% of robberies



Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:31 | 2715274 island
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In Iowa, males are 49.6% of the population but commit 90% (or more) of the violent crimes you mentioned.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:11 | 2715390 AldousHuxley
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young uneducated black males....yes



Sat, 08/18/2012 - 04:48 | 2716243 jeff montanye
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according to you 92% of the rapists in iowa are white.


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 08:51 | 2716357 nmewn
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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:32 | 2715451 Moe Howard
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I think that most people understand that men, esp. young men, commit most violent crimes. That is why it is shocking when women do so. However, many people are unaware how much more crime is committed by black males than the percentage of population would allow. So your answer to suprising statistics is to respond with a number everybody already new.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 09:49 | 2716378's picture

You've missed the point. If vilifying all blacks is reasonable due to statistics which show that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime then in would also be reasonable to vilify all men due to statistics which show that men commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 05:35 | 2717745 Kobe Beef
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That's sexist. Obviously these males are victims of feminist oppression. You can't blame them, they are not responsible for their actions.


Fri, 08/17/2012 - 18:27 | 2715606 Overfed
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It's raciss to use any statistic that fails to villify whitey.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:45 | 2714889 Blue Vervain
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Correct on all counts Campagnolo. Over here in the UK we had an epidemic of looting, arson and mob violence last summer, in which my home town's centre was burned to the ground by groups of laughing blacks. The media is still claiming in regular broadcasts that it was political unrest on a par with Greek and Spanish protests. The racial dimensions are vigorously denied. As you may know, we've had no austerity in the UK so far.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:54 | 2714925 AldousHuxley
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only good blacks are african blacks....they know how bad shit is in africa so at least they work to improve.


blacks in america are the worst....


looting, arson, mob violence is nothing compare to sick shit African  American ghetto blacks would do......


Never live or do business in a hood where 10% more are blacks!


rich blacks all live in white neighborhoods!

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:58 | 2715124's picture

I count black folks amongst my loved ones. You, not so much.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:15 | 2715407 AldousHuxley
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in USA, people use the word "love" to say they merely "like" as in Paris hilton saying "I Love that pink sweater on my dog"


let's see if you love them after they slit your face....

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:18 | 2715411's picture

You do realize that you're insulting my family don't you?

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 01:40 | 2716148 foofoojin
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oh he talking about your mama! Kick his ass. you aint gonna take that!


p.s. your family  is not that important to everyone else inthe world. nethier are you. in fact. in all reality. nobody give a shit but you.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 07:53 | 2716302's picture

That's a rather sad diatribe in lieu of the reasoned argument which you were incapable of presenting. As the black fellow in this video says, "When you have honesty people will try anything to blot you out."


The Compassion of Dr. Ron Paul

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:22 | 2716426 NidStyles
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The problem is that you misunderstand Ron Paul. Your family is great for you, but guilting us into giving a shit about you or your family is coercion. 

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:36 | 2716431's picture

In what way do I misunderstand Ron Paul?

If you agree with Huxley that the only good black people are in Africa and the worst black people in the world are Americans then perhaps you should feel guilty after watching that undeniably good American black man stand up for Dr. Paul. If you find that to be coercive take it up with your conscience.

As for my family I don't expect anything from you or anyone else except that you don't publicly insult them. You might enjoy it when people say hurtful things about the children in your family but where I come from blood takes care of blood.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:26 | 2715436 smiler03
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@ Blue Vervain

I don't know which particular UK city you live in but there was no standard "profile" for these "rioters". I doubt official statistics on a racial breakdown will ever be released but this is one story, from the Daily Mail, including;

White Millionaires Daughter

White Aspiring Musician

White Aspiring Ballerina

And I forget just how many examples there were of white parents rioting with their white offspring.



Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:16 | 2716419 TheFuture_MrGittes
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The Guardian/LSE 'Reading the Riots' report provides an account. Anecdotally, I work in Manchester city centre and mainly saw young white folk enjoying the chaos/ out to rob stuff.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:35 | 2715463 prodigious_idea
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Either you're a planted provocatuer, or you need counseling.  Come to think of it, either way you need counseling.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:47 | 2714896 Nikao7
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Imagine their behavior during the coming chaos.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:56 | 2714930 The Big Ching-aso
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Too bad he didn't give him the Colt-45 at about 900 feet per second.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:00 | 2714944 AldousHuxley
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actually during a real chaos, blacks dont' know what to do.....


see Katrina...just sitting in a sports stadium waiting for someone else to help them while looting walmart.



water level should have risen higher to wipe all of them out.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:26 | 2715020 gmrpeabody
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Why hold back....?  <sarc>

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:08 | 2715135 pufferfish
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Its interesting how you paint the blacks Huxley. Especially when you consider the sheer amount of deaths delivered in this world by white european descendants. A race that in the last 100 years alone has been responsible for so much genocide, and death, its changed the gene pool of the earth forever (and that of the 'blacks'). Let alone what they did to secure the country they call the USA, and the Americas. The toll must run into the billions.

You should examine the real terms of 'civilisation'

Now tell me with a straight face that the European descendants are any better - And I'll show you someone being economical with the truth.

(Had to give that a little edit - due to copy paste format issues.)

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:36 | 2715208 pufferfish
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While Huxley, posts some poultry news story about someone being stabbed by someone black in the US.

I'll just leave these here:


5 million European Jews


10 million estimated dead blacks,


15 million


Just to wet your whistle. Those pesky blacks eh?

Downvotes without adequate retort? That smacks of cowardice. Shame on you phantom downvoter - Show yourself!

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:27 | 2715438 AldousHuxley
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Regarding Holocaust.....Jews are making good money making films in it and using guilt to build something they never had in their 2000year history.....Israel.


Regarding Slave trade...How many descendents of African slaves want to go back to Africa?


how many "I am not racist" list in majority black neighborhoods and why not?


just because their grandfathers suffered doesn't mean you go out slit people's faces while on welfare.


yes, truth hurts doesn't it.


Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:54 | 2715509 Bring the Gold
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The truth feels wonderful, your hatred and racism does not. I wish you healing brother, you need it.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:18 | 2715677 pufferfish
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Wow, you've got a fair amount of gloss (white wash?) there. No denial however, which, i suppose is a start. Shall I continue:

The kill count is exponentially higher. Europeans are the thugs of the world. When you consider they're not even the most prevelant race on earth - the numbers really start to hit home.


Also, with regards to africa. What wealth have the whites stolen from there? You talk about 'handouts'. Imagine all that gold from montezuma, all those african diamonds, the wealth gandered from unpaid work made by Africans & Chinese?


Imagine the worth in real terms?


Also, an interesting footnote to your 'Black africans' conjecture - about them being 'better'. Have you stopped to consider that they might be the ones who's mothers weren't raped by white slave masters? Sounds like your 'up-ity blacks' are the ones with white lineage. 


Fancy that?


Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:33 | 2715735 pufferfish
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More I hear you cry? Not to yellow, red, brown & black to their very own. Let me oblige:

Phew. That's a lot of blood. Got enough white wash for those stains? Huxley?

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 22:13 | 2715991 Death and Gravity
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Poor trolling, or grasping-at-straw in the attempt to construct a point.

WWII was the doing by and large by a nazist despot.

The Holodomor was perpetrated by a communist despot.

The crusades were in relatiation to agressive theocratic imperialism perpetrated by a mad pedophile.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 22:22 | 2716004's picture

I think his point is that if you can judge white folks as individuals even though many of them have been bad then perhaps you can also judge black folks as individuals despite the fact many of them have been bad. What do you think about that?

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 03:08 | 2716195 pufferfish
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"WWII was the doing by and large by a nazist despot."

Because Nazis were all Black right?

"The Holodomor was perpetrated by a communist despot."

I like black russians, only I expect; these are not, they.

"The crusades were in relatiation to agressive theocratic imperialism perpetrated by a mad pedophile."

Again white imperialist euro trash imposing its will on everyone & stealing in the name of a higher power.

Excellent attempt to derail the convo. Why don't you address my other points?


Or is it because you're the troll?


Now shhh; grown ups are talking.

Also, all this negativity and asumption that I'm black? Why can I not be be rational?


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 07:04 | 2716287 Death and Gravity
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"Now shhh; grown ups are talking."

Evidently you have just precluded yourself.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 07:37 | 2716303's picture

That's not an argument although a child might think so.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 08:27 | 2716337 pufferfish
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And it would seem that you have missed the point your entire life. Whats its like not having your own opinions?

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 20:17 | 2717257 Death and Gravity
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Whats life like when compelled to troll debate threads, and failing?

Are you lonely? Feeling dejected? Missing female company?

Fix your life.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 05:34 | 2716255 CunnyFunt
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Since when is Wikipedia the authority on anything?

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 06:10 | 2716264 pufferfish
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Implying none of this ever happened? Ad hominem seems to be a popular tool on this site.

I have referenced all my claims. I'm yet to see any phantom down voters do the same. All I see is un referenced claptrap.

When is someone going to enter into sensible discourse?


And just to cement my argument. Lets look closer to home. (PDF)

If you're going to refute, refute. Stop being little kids about this. People of European decendency through the ages are the most prolific murders on the planet. Fact.

Now, tell me different...

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 07:38 | 2716306's picture

He's got you now -- apparently Wikipedia has been covering up that fact that Hitler was black all along.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 08:29 | 2716339 pufferfish
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I know still no reply from 'the hux' either.

Seems like theres noone to refute my argument.


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:26 | 2716432 NidStyles
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More likely he had somewhere else to be on a Saturday Morning, and left his house. It's not like he actually owe's you a response you moron. 

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:39 | 2716453 pufferfish
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"posted from my iPhone"

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 08:51 | 2716358 CunnyFunt
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Chill the fuck out.

Where was the ad hominen in my statement? Wikipedia is a person?

I'm not refuting anything, merely pointing out that the ubiquitous Wikipedia references are hardly a standard for scholarship and understanding.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 09:32 | 2716382's picture

If you have a problem with specific statements made in an article by Wikipedia or by anyone else then why not cite and refute the errors? Casting undocumented aspersions is hardly a standard for scholarship and understanding.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 09:59 | 2716404 CunnyFunt
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I take it you disagree with my "undocumented aspersion" that Wikipedia articles are hardly a standard for scholarship and understanding.

For a start, consider Wikipedia's guidelines.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:17 | 2716422's picture

No, let's start with specific factual errors in the articles cited. You may begin.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 09:37 | 2716386 pufferfish
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No you aren't refuting anything. You're just being abusive, rude & irritating. There are independent references with in all those articles that are un disputed & well documented. Your ad hominen is with reference to your dismissal of the sources rather than actually addressing the argument or refuting my claims.


Using the terms 'fucking chill out' would make me think that it was you, that needed chilling out.


You might want to consider further education.


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 09:47 | 2716396's picture


Using the terms 'fucking chill out' would make me think that it was you, that needed chilling out.


He's what Huxley would call "culturally black."


In the 1980s and 1990s, chill gained currency as a slang term meaning "to relax, calm down." It is first recorded in 1979 and comes from Black English slang, which has frequently been a source of slang and informal words in Standard English, often through the medium of various African-American musical styles (in this case, rap and hip-hop)

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:06 | 2716411 CunnyFunt
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No history is "un disputed" or objective. Anyone citing Wikipedia as an authoritative source can't be taken seriously.

What exactly are you challenging me to refute?

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:16 | 2716420's picture


What exactly are you challenging me to refute?


Why don't you start with that with which you took exception -- or did you complain simply for the sake of complaining?

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:27 | 2716433 CunnyFunt
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See Wikipedia's statement regarding verifiability vs. truth, linked above. It serves as a primary source.

Wikipedia permits no original research. Its structure encourages consensus views, which often are mutually exclusive. Few articles relating to history contain primary sources, rather, most are summarized from survey texts and the occasional monograph, the selection of which reveal the article writers' biases.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:40 | 2716449 pufferfish
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Still not refuting my central point with references... Yawn...

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:49 | 2716464 CunnyFunt
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If your central point is other than the unburnished reputation of Wikipedia as an academic source, then I'm neutral. You and Huxley can kill each other, for all I care.

Where did I challenge you other than question your plea to the authority of Wikipedia? My point is that Wikipedia is not an authority, as far as I'm concerned.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:03 | 2716489 pufferfish
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You derailing the argument with semantics like a true troll. Also, you're not reading the thread. You're just shit posting. Within wikipedia, as I've already stated -there are further sources. Rather that just spouting why don't you try and read into the points I made, rather than trolling. You neve know. You might learn something.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:11 | 2716504 CunnyFunt
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I'm not interested in your argument, other than using Wikipedia as an authority. It is no authority.

And the next time you cry "ad hominem", look in the mirror.


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:25 | 2716532 pufferfish
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Ha! I'll take that as you being defeated. Better luck next time.

Good luck with night school.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:28 | 2716542 CunnyFunt
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There's no defeat here, ad hom.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 12:46 | 2716685 Campagnolo
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blacks love crimes; prostitution, raping and street drug trafficking

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:40 | 2716454's picture

Then you should have an especially easy time documenting factual errors in the articles cited above. And yet you fail to do so.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:01 | 2716483 CunnyFunt
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My criticism is not about "documenting factual errors". The selection of facts included in any text represent the author's bias, for better or worse. There is no "The History" of anything. All histories are an image of their authors' understanding. At the Wikipedia level, this understanding is minimal. It amounts to an understanding of an understanding of an understanding, etc., a completely diluted survey. An appeal to Wikipedia is the LCD approach.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:05 | 2716493 pufferfish
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Ad hominem everywhere...



Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:13 | 2716510 CunnyFunt
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I fail to see the ad hominem. Documentary criticism does not fall under that category of logical fallacies.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:20 | 2716521's picture


My criticism is not about "documenting factual errors". The selection of facts included in any text represent the author's bias, for better or worse.


Then give an example in which the authors have left specific, pertinent facts out of the articles cited above. Describe how those omissions further the biases of the authors.


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:23 | 2716530 CunnyFunt
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Here is my one example.

The article on the British Empire mentions nothing of banking.


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 12:06 | 2716608's picture

You were asked to describe how those omissions further the biases of the authors. What is the relation this alleged bias has to the subject at hand?

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 12:20 | 2716640 CunnyFunt
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The authors' judgments of value have led them to decide what is pertinent or not. I don't understand what you mean by "further the biases", except to say that all histories are inherently biased on account of the authors' judgments of value. My point is that citing a Wikipedia article leaves much to be desired in terms of authority, unless you are comfortable with the LCD approach. Now how can I take seriously an article about the British Empire which omits a discussion of banking's role? Confute ...


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:56 | 2716875's picture

The article was introduced to further the idea that simply because members of a particular race have committed crimes one can not rationally ascribe the crimes of those individuals to all members of that race. How does the fact that Wikipedia provides an entry for the Bank of England which is separate from its general history of the British Empire impact on that observation about race? Here's a clue: it doesn't.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 18:16 | 2717129 CunnyFunt
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I don't care about your argument or that of Huxley. All I'm saying is that appealing to Wikipedia as an authority is a joke. Period. Now that we have come full circle, adios.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 01:21 | 2717668's picture

Thanks for admitting that your observation was irrelevant to the conversation.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:39 | 2716855 jwoop66
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Europeans also brought technological advancement and saved them two or three thousand years of trial and error; assuming that would have happened.   

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 00:04 | 2716091 VallejoVillain
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Why stop there. Don't forget the old friendly firewater indian. American Government broke EVERY treaty with them.


Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:42 | 2716860 jwoop66
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And their Chiefs sold them out for trinkets or liquor.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:08 | 2715382's picture

Now here's a crime we hope you really like!



A western Pennsylvania man has been sentenced to life in prison for bludgeoning the elderly grandfather of his estranged wife with a tire iron while robbing the man of silver and gold coins that the defendant pawned.

Thirty-six-year-old Jason Kuhns, of Brentwood, was sentenced Thursday in the April 2011 death of 90-year-old Pittsburgh furrier Cuddy Briskin.


Mug shot:

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:19 | 2715414 pufferfish
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What? Why isn't he black?

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:30 | 2715442 AldousHuxley
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he is culturally black....


on the street, they are called WIGGERS


How would you like to have your daughter date one hypocrit!



Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:26 | 2715481's picture

That's big talk for a guy who went to the Ebonics school of spelling and punctuation.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 00:06 | 2716092 VallejoVillain
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Is that the crockett right across the old carquinez bridge crockett? 

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 07:41 | 2716310's picture

No, it's the penny press publication of the early nineteenth century.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:56 | 2715517 Bring the Gold
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I would be honored for my daughter to date a man of any race, creed or religion as long as he had honor, respect and love in his heart. I don't know if your account got hacked or whats going on but today has been eye opening and NOT in a good way.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 18:56 | 2715658 ZeroAvatar
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What a load of hypnotized, liberal hogwash.  You'll most likely NEVER wake up.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:16 | 2715690's picture

Liberals judge people by the special interest groups to which they can be classified just as you do. Rational individuals judge other individuals by their own merits and not by what are often superficial traits. Some people might see a difference of origin or of religion as a stumbling block to marriage, others might not. It is up to the individuals involved in a given situation to make that decision. That's the way it works in a free country.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:58 | 2715789 g speed
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and others don't feel the need to judge at all --- just let history do that

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 20:12 | 2715808's picture

Man can not live without making judgements about his situation and taking rational action when necessary. In order to achieve rational action one must arrive at one's judgements by the consideration of specific and applicable facts rather than a regurgitation of delusions and distractions.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:37 | 2715706 pufferfish
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I see you're blinded to sarcasm by your bigotry. I have no daughter for starters, and I'm au fait with the 'wigger' - sounds like an excuse to me. Now, if we could get back to my points raised earlier..?

Thanks in advance.

Couldn't resist this edit: Was Pope Urban the 2nd a wigger too?

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:30 | 2716438 Virginian
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Correct.  This is a cultural - not racial - problem.  Recent black emigrees from Africa, in my experience, have been hard-working, decent people.  Interestingly, they often have disdain for other blacks who were born in the US.  They beleive, as many here do, that black CULTURE in the US is the problem.  If that makes me a "culturalist" - guilty as charged. 

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:22 | 2715422 WillyGroper
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Look, everyone knows their anscestors boarded the galley's for the cotton bole rush. They were taken our jobs & trying to strike it rich.  

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 08:47 | 2716352 Papasmurf
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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:29 | 2715028 MarcusLCrassus
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ZeroHedge: official site of the Ku Klux Klan

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:59 | 2715129 Blue Vervain
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Ironically your own avatar is of a slave trader, LoL.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 07:55 | 2715147's picture

Some folks can't compete intellectually and so they substitute emotional diatribes based on hackneyed talking points for thoughtful discussion.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 09:02 | 2716354 Sean7k
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This is exactly what the Elites want you to believe and want you to respond to. They want you to depend on them: "We are your protectors", when in fact they cannot protect us- this man was not saved by the police. 

People are murdered everyday, but the police never protect them. They investigate after the fact, they file reports and then, some of the people go to a prison where we then have the pleasure to support said criminals for 50,000 dollars a year. Burglary? You get a report to turn into the insurance company. Rape? women are lucky to get a conviction. Usually, they are just blamed.

We are not allowed to defend ourselves, as one poster has already pointed out in regards to NY concealed permit laws. 

By making us dependent, we become victims and victims submit to authority. No matter how much they increase the level of police power, it continues to fail, because you cannot stop what you cannot see. Question the State and everyone immediately shouts security! But, there is no security in the State nor from the State. 

Attempt to defend yourself and you will go to jail. Only the State gets to protect you, even if its' officers kill you- then they are just let off. More tragic, juries usually go along. 

By and far, the comments here reinforce the reality of victimization, rationalization, and the disharmony necessary to keep a people slaves. The Elites do nice work and most all of you fall for it every time.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 09:17 | 2716369 nmewn
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So true...the pacification of the plebes must go on at any cost!!!

If our Yemeni friend would have produced a gun from behind the counter and put a 2" hole in this guys chest we'd be having an entirely different discussion.

Probably something along the lines of "Another Tragic Gun Death:How many more must die before we have sensible gun regulation?"

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:50 | 2714525 resurger
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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:59 | 2714752 HarryM
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Guess the Yemeni's don't know how our system works

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:18 | 2714809 AldousHuxley
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arrested banksters must be assigned a position at a liquor store in a ghetto like this.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:42 | 2714478 Doug_Canada
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ZeroHedge wants the story about the bad man to change our ideas about the aid food stamps gives. Total non story.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:49 | 2714520 Bring the Gold
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Yep, but 21 folks (and counting) are deeply angered by my sentiment that this is just a garbage piece to have in the main column here. Yes, this black kid breaking the law means that ALL Foodstamp recipients (you know including Iraq war vets who have massive PTSD and can't work, oh yes they exist I know I used to work with them) are dangerous violent alcoholics. Meanwhile within 20 miles of this event REAL crimes that effect millions if not BILLIONS of people are carried out in Goldmansachs, JP Morgan and the NY FED headquarters.

I know, I know it's divide and conquer...erm I mean ELECTION season. Naughty black people, if we only had a white facist instead of the current black fascist then we could return to...something or other.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:13 | 2714609 pazmaker
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why does it have to be either or that we outraged at?    Can't I be outraged at the crooks at Goldman JP, NY Fed AND outraged at all the damn people with their hand out for a free "entitlement"


You seem to suggest that it's ok for the little guy to be given something he didn't earn but not the big guy.


may I suggest that both are wrong !

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:30 | 2714682 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I should be able to do whatever I want with my foodstamps.  They're mine!  I should be able to use them for booze at strip clubs, cigerettes at the gas station, whatever I want!  They're mine!

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:32 | 2714691 YuropeanImbecille
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This is the general African-American attitude I am afraid to say.



Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:40 | 2714706 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Because Bumfuck rednecks would never think to buy beer at stripclubs! 


Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:48 | 2714733 ArrestBobRubin
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Ya mean with money they actually earned?

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:04 | 2714764 Manthong
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In Heidelberg, that is a mark of honor, as are massive printing presses.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:21 | 2714815 PatBateman
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what's worse for them in the long-run...the Grape Kool-Aid they can buy with stamps or menthols they can't buy? Wish the government would step aside and let Darwinism run its course.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 23:12 | 2716059 Larry Dallas
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To further your point, YuropeanImbecille:

The folks who are in the right business today are those who cater to the ignorant masses. Chad Ochocinco headbutts his wife with his scud missle looking forehead and although he's "fired", he'll be on another team or have a reality show I'm sure. A great role model for other young black men to follow.

Fucking Chris Brown beats his girlfriend, then throws a fit in the ABC studios a month or so later breaking windows and his shit is still selling well.

Remember, he's being paid to be and act like an angry negro and we're shocked it happens? Again, another great role model for other young black men.

All the single woman in Hollywood choosing to have kids without being married is fine. They make millions and can afford the proper care.

Are they a good role model for the young woman in this country who's decision can make the difference between living below the poverty level for the rest of their lives or having a decent wage career? I haven't seen this to be a good choice yet for them.

Junk away.  

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:18 | 2714997 QuietCorday
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Why not just let them? If people want to destroy themselves through alcoholism, and spend all their welfare on cigarettes and strip clubs so they have nothing left to eat and then suffer chronic malnutrition and die young, then just let them.

Why the western world insists on policing people's choices in this regard is stupid. Guys like the perp in this story can't survive long-term -- the drink or the behaviour will kill them if someone else doesn't get there first. So why stop the process? Let them wipe themselves out.

I am really sick of the "Liberal" western mindset that tries to separate action from consequence. All it does is make things worse. I am afraid to say I have just lost all patience. My "compassion" for the tribulations of these perps' lives went out the window years ago.

And I worry about that. I know that when people like me (dappy women that worry when their cat sneezes and do cakebakes for the local school trip :oD) lose patience and stop giving a toss, then *unjust things* can happen. And I suspect this is how a population slowly becomes acclimatised to radical and harsh political solutions because they have just stopped giving a shit and just want the world to be a little bit more fucking reasonable.     

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:33 | 2715044 Chump
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You would be right if the people destroying themselves weren't doing it with other people's moneyTM.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:38 | 2715058 gmrpeabody
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You beat me to it, Chump.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:44 | 2715079 Chump
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And the prize is a stout beer in a cold glass.  Incidentally, that's the prize for second place as well.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:37 | 2715054 gmrpeabody
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We don't give a damn what they do, or what their life choices are. But, some of us are getting damn sick of paying for it, and the consequences.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 05:54 | 2717756 Kobe Beef
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Beyond the viciousness of assault, that's the worst part. The fact that this clerk is working, means he paid for the welfare parasite who attacked him. How's that for gratitude.

This same scenario plays out across America every day. Hardworking, law-abiding citizens abused by the very worms their tax dollars feed and water.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:20 | 2715227 bankruptcylawyer
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i mean, seriously---why not just apply this entire diatribe to nuclear proliferation by small countries like packistan , iran, and anyone else who wants a nuke. let them have nukes and all destroy themselves. 


yes there is some logic to this. it turns out, that when you let your neihbors behave and do abusive things, it one day will effect you sooner or later. we are all connected. 

there is room for live and let live, and then there is also the reality of sticking your head in the sand, until something forces you out of your cocoon but then it's too late!. 




Fri, 08/17/2012 - 18:21 | 2714836 True.North
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Dammit this is no place for logic. How dare you be angry at both.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 18:17 | 2715562 Bring the Gold
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Pazmaker I'm saying this is a non-story and a distraction from things that actually matter. Look at the race baiting and hatred that has sprung up in the comments section. Mission accomplished.

This is the racist ass, poor hating "Tyler" not the one(s) I come here to read. This particular Tyler is a jackass and besmirches the otherwise good name of this site. I can feel the vibe of his articles a few sentences in that its this asshat. Its a pity they don't have seperate identities so I can just scroll pass this assclown like I do some of the contributors on the top bar. I only came in here to call out the bullshit. Whats far more stunning is how myopic 100+ ZHers are.

Poor uneducated people with stubstance abuse problems have been doing this shit for eons. Proven ways of fixing it are economic opportunity (there is none in America unless you have MASSIVE student loan debt accumulated or are born rich, due to global wage arbitrage) and education. This article does not point that out, but instead seems to suggest that it is food stamps that are causing or contributing to this behavior.

ZH is known for top shelf economic reporting and pulling back the curtain on the powerful oligarchs who are raping everyone in this country including the fiscal conservatives (racist OR principled) who largely populate this site.

Food stamps and other entitlements need to be looked at and reduced in a sane rational manner. This bullshit of going after the mere pennies that FS budget represents, that actually keep children fed, along with assholes like the thug in OP to be sure is foolish at best. Slashing Food Stamps while simultaneously doing NOTHING about the trillions the oligarchs are stealing is MADNESS!

Perhaps some think that maybe those kids should get a job too eh? I hear Chinese apparell makers are hiring *snark*. Or maybe we can go back to the glory days of Dickensian orphanages as children people aren't able to afford are abandoned? What kills me is the venn diagram of voters who want to slash FS and voters who want to ban aborition and even ALL birth control is almost a perfect circle.

 The weak people will always be easy to put back into check IF they are given a stake in society. The Oligarchs by contrast are gaining DANGEROUS dominon over everything. If you cut Food Stamps FIRST instead of going after the tyrants and crooks at the top you are just laying more kindling for a violent populist uprising. Order of operations guys! That kindling is getting pretty fucking dry and scary in my book.

I'm praying daily for a peaceful solution to this insanity and with each passing day that looks less likely. I have a child and work hard to keep him fed, sheltered and clothed. I for one have no desire to see this country go up in flames and am painfully aware of historical precedents where MASSES of poor people are disenfranchised and starved (i.e. no foodstamps in our global wage arbitrage gutted nation). The folks who yell for them to be slashed without FIRST nailing down the out of control elites are playing right into the very same elites divide and conquer strategy.

Amazing that 100+ ZHers are falling for it hook line and sinker. Wake the fuck up and crack a history book once in awhile. This OP was a non-story crafted into a PURE propaganda piece that plays RIGHT into the banksters hands. Think about it.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:12 | 2715695 ZeroAvatar
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There is absolutely no reasoning with you. The scary thing is, you could be the person standing next to me at the checkout counter.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:19 | 2716388's picture

It takes a special brand of coward to trumpet his pride in his own fear.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:16 | 2714615 Moe Howard
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Strangely, Iraqi war veterans who are classified 100% disabled with the qualifier of unemployable get a good tax free check from the government. Somebody is bs ing you or you are trying to bs us. A single person in the category you stated would not be eligable for food stamps. They would take in too much tax free cash. Sorry to bust your bubble of dreams.

I don't disagree that there are criminals in the Fed, JP Morgan, etc. However, they have yet to slash the face of a poor immigrant store clerk because he wouldn't help in fraud. I don't understand how you excuse violent crime because:

The perp is black

Veterans are hurting 

The President is a black facist

You are a moral midget.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:13 | 2715398 spastic_colon
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not sure how race became part of this conversation; i dont see anywhere that ZH even mentioned race, it just happened to be part of the description in the story itself.


I suppose if war is the ultimate end to keynsian econ, then a civil war would likely provide a better margianl economic return since it is on home ground.  Don't think it can't happen or has not been "considered".

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:24 | 2714651 Dasa Slooofoot
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Meanwhile within 20 miles of this event REAL crimes that effect millions if not BILLIONS of people are carried out in Goldmansachs, JP Morgan and the NY FED headquarters.


Pretty sure, no, 100% sure that ZH covers those crimes better than anyone, you simple cunt.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:42 | 2714716 chubbar
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If only the clerk would have pulled out a concealed/carry gun and shot this idiot we could have had a racial assault story instead of a foodstamp story. Then we could trot out the usual suspects like the Reverend Jesse Jackson, et al,. and perhaps have a race riot or two, which would really be a flash mob cleaning out walmarts, but this time with cause. Then the media could find an eight year old picture of the poor deceased knife fighter wearing a football uniform or something and our commander in chief could make some comments about how he looks like his son. That would make this story much more interesting IMO./sarc off/

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:54 | 2714744 SilverIsKing
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Let's not jump to any conclusions.  It's too early to rule out the man's face having attacked the knife.

We are only hearing one side of the story.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:25 | 2715018 Totentänzerlied
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There is no (legal) concealed carry in NYC unless you're "connected" or run a business and get an on-the-job protection permit. As this story suggests, very few people have or can get such workplace permits.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:10 | 2714784 Lednbrass
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I seriously doubt anyone cares sufficiently about you or your opinion on the internet to be deeply angered, that is only you giving yourself far too much credit on how much you matter. Nobody said a word about it meaning anything about all SNAP card people, once again it is only in your own head and you dutifully build a strawman to joust.

Too many tards here and elsewhere have the stupid habit of hopping on their soapbox about something nobody said on little but the strength of their own made up scenarios. Something is preceived as negative about victim group A, so the conditioning kicks in and the evil haters are reflexively denounced. Your logic boils down to your personal belief that people should ignore the numerous little fleas and ticks biting at the legs of society because there is a big fat leech on its neck, most actually getting bled would prefer that all parasites large and small be removed.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:19 | 2714824 Ima anal sphincter
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Would that be like blowing your load. You think your pleasuring someone else too, but when you look's only your hand.

Bring the Gold - one mouth "a-screamin" , but there is no one around who gives a shit.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:45 | 2714885 Pig Brotha
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Hey you candy assed white bitch why don't you come by this neighborhood and see what reality is like? You condescending little cunt you have no idea how these low life savages act, and we are not talking about a few bad apples. It is nearly a universal mentality here that believes everyone in the hood is oppressed and needs to get theirs at any cost, the sense of entitlement is sickening. I routinely travel to India and see some of the poorest people on the planet and they do not act like these sickening animals so don't give me that poverty bullshit. Own up to the fact that there is a certain segment of our population that does/will not evolve into civilized society.



Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:46 | 2715491 AldousHuxley
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black leaders don't know how to run a productive society by mobilizing human resources.

black culture do not produce such leaders.....


Africa was land of plenty...didn't have to work too people developed dancing, and singing talents.

Northern Europe sucked and harsh winters force one to save during good times and engage in thinking indoors most of the winter.

White people developed technology and ruled blacks.


black culture produces leaders in entertainment and physical jobs like sports.

but brain wins in the end. brains that develop the most powerful technology rules over rappers, athletes, dancers....


Chinese despite being poor are mobilizing their human resources to challenge US despite centuries of European colonialism on their shores.



Fri, 08/17/2012 - 20:12 | 2715815 g speed
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Yeah yeah --blah blah ---what I want to know is did the knifer give the girl her money back? huh? did he???

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:02 | 2714567 superbroker1
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You ever go to a grocery store and have some crack head approach you and ask to pay for your food items with their link card in return for cash? Happens all the time here in...wait for it...CHICAGO!

80% of link card users are losers.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:15 | 2714614 dwayne elizando
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I sure hope you took that dopefiend up on his offer!

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:48 | 2715495 AldousHuxley
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time to get out of the hood.


don't want desparate crack heads around.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:57 | 2714748 sdmjake
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Here in Fema6, $150 in fiatscos gets you $200in a SNAP. (On a game night by the stadium its only $125)

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