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A SWIFT Denial - How In Europe, Even Admission Of A "Plan B" Is Equivalent To Failure

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Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:39 | 2010635 GeneMarchbanks
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'European Central Bank President Mario Draghi this past week said that such speculation about the euro's demise is "morbid." '

Mario remembers the days when 20,000 lire only got you cafe latte. Those days were anything but  morbid.

'The Financial Services Authority, the U.K.'s bank watchdog, has sent letters to the country's major banks asking for updates on their level of preparedness, and a similar dialogue has begun between banks and regulators in the U.S. in recent weeks, said the people familiar with the matter.'

Interesting... did the FSA include anything about hyper-hypothecation? Because that might earn them the title of 'watchdog' otherwise they're nothing but cheerleaders of a collapsing corrupt system.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:47 | 2010645 Sudden Debt
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Actually, 20000 lire / 100 x 3 / 40 = 15 euro = 19,5 dollar
Even starbucks doesn't charge that for a coffee, let alone 10 years ago.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:00 | 2010658 akak
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Actually, 20000 lire / 100 x 3 / 40 = 15 euro = 19,5 dollar

$19,500 for a cup of coffee?  Whoa!

I knew that prices in Europe for almost everything were higher, but damn!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 20:29 | 2010822 TheFourthStooge-ing
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In the Eurozone, math is pointless, thus the radix character is a comma instead of a dot.

 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 21:09 | 2010852 Ahmeexnal
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PM pits have opened for a while, yet silver is still flat.

Am I missing something?

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 02:33 | 2011346 Real Money Wins
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Just keep you eye on that floating gold/silver ratio!

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 08:19 | 2011543 User 3461
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I suspect the reaction to the posibility of the US returning to a silver-back would be met w/ similar resistance from the guys in charge of ruining the money.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 00:19 | 2011134 akak
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math is pointless

My sister certainly felt that way about algebra in high school.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 01:35 | 2011281 JPM Hater001
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All you folks so far gotta get new materials.
Now off yo Toy's R Us.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 04:13 | 2011425 akak
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Hey, gimme a break --- I was drunk on turkey, gravy, potatoes and pie, and all the blood was rushing to my stomach.  You can't expect our best wit under such conditions!

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 14:53 | 2012013 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yeah, and I was really high because slewie and I have been sparking up the peace pipe and passing it to everyone within reach; so high, in fact, that I thought the pun about pointless Eurozone math and a comma instead of a decimal point was really funny. Yep, that high.

 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:39 | 2010689 johnu78
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That's some expensive coffee!!!

 

-John
http://www.youtube.com/carmarketer

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 00:36 | 2011165 Non Passaran
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Yeah but their calc is BS. That used to be 1-2 bucks IIRC.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:58 | 2010805 PulauHantu29
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Hyperinflation History: When Hard Cash Goes Soft by Credit Suisse


Andreas Schiendorfer, Online Publications

 

"A kilogram of bacon cost 20 trillion dinars in Serbia in 1993. In 1946, Hungary released the Szazmilljo B.-pengö (100,000,000,000,000,000,000), the banknote with the most zeros in history, and in Germany, an egg cost up to 150 billion marks in 1923. These are just a few examples of the history of hyperinflation, a condition in which prices increase rapidly as a currency loses its value. There are many modern-day cases as well."

 

https://infocus.credit-suisse.com/app/article/index.cfm?fuseaction=OpenA...

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 04:26 | 2011437 jonjon831983
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Neat, thanks for link!

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 00:54 | 2011205 Buck Johnson
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There afraid to plan because the plan will make what you don't want to happen.  If they don't plan then they are out on a limb with nothing and everyone demanding something.  It's over and they are afraid of saying it's over, because once they do the first one out gets the better deal and it goes down exponentially from there.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:43 | 2010644 Sudden Debt
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I don't see any birds in that picture... Is this the kind of picture where you need to stare at for hours to recognize stuff?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:37 | 2010683 Schmuck Raker
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"I don't see any birds..."

Because you are IN Europe. :)

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:50 | 2010649 Snakeeyes
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Of course, the Euro zone will break up. They are just kicking the can down the road ,... like us!

Look at the crazy math of OUR government about paying for the 2% delay in social security tax!

Congress/Administration Allows Taxpayers To Keep 2% More Of Their Paycheck For 2 Months – Requires Almost 1 Billion Mortgage Refis and Purchases To Fund

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2011/12/25/congressadministratio...

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 18:03 | 2010702 francis_sawyer
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On a long enough timeline... Kicking the can down the road [INSERT OCCAM's RAZOR HERE]...

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:52 | 2010653 akak
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Hey Leo Kolonasskiss (whose ghost undoubtedly still haunts ZeroHedge), get ready to collect your pennies-on-the-dollar "yields" from your Greek bonds in drachmas, not euros.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:57 | 2010659 pkea
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Note that Portugal,Italy and Greece are expected to leave...doesn't mean there will be no euro in some form. Some UK banks will break the neck on EZ short n just a few couple of months

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:24 | 2010779 Azannoth
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The Bankers and Politicians are petrified that once Humpty 'Ponzi' Dumpty hits the ground they will never be able to pull him together again

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 00:39 | 2011171 Non Passaran
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The new currency could be called the Neuro, as in neurotic

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:58 | 2010662 ucsbcanuck
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Well, when that's the situation, you know something is going to pop in Q1 2012

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:07 | 2010667 bob_dabolina
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Momma says that Europe is all ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:30 | 2010679 Georgesblog
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Any fallback position from a solution to the problem is failure. What is lost in the transition to national currencies is that there will be an intrinsic need to defend those national currencies. It could be no-holds-barred conflict in the global markets.

 http://georgesblogforum.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-daily-climb-2/

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:30 | 2010680 Seize Mars
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Such a waste of time. So stupid. Central planning costs everyone their quality of life. I really think some people have been conditioned to believe that we actually need central planners. What a laugh.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 18:13 | 2010718 Fish Gone Bad
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Central planning came about because people let it happen.  Believing that all of our elected leaders have the peoples' best interest in mind is so incorrect as to not even be considered wrong.  Yes there are some good people out there.  Then there are those who just go along with the flow.  Then there are those who know how to make money for themselves.  So the sell outs and the go-alongers sell their votes and taah-dah! central planning happens.

 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 18:22 | 2010726 killedbyshortvol
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Central planning is a manifestation of arrogance by people who don't know that, in complex environments, it is often better to just do nothing.   

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:59 | 2010804 francis_sawyer
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...or sometimes it just so happens that they're just pussies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfkmCNwHNbM

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 18:39 | 2010738 SHRAGS
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I really think some people have been conditioned to believe that we actually need central planners.

99% of people I come in contact with, accept, no expect central planning.  They do not even understand there is an alternative. The propaganda & education machines have destroyed their critical thinking skills.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:21 | 2010775 financial apoca...
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u speak the truth seize mars. my housemate here at the ross b-school has full faith in the EU, the Congress and of all people- Ben Bernanke. acc to him we shud just trust these cunts for another year or so and they will "smooth out" the business cycle n get us to the good old days. Me and others waste at least 3-4hrs a day trying to fix the guy but to no avail and unfortunately most people r like him. half my friends on fb think ZH is a propaganda website trying to sell stuff by promoting doomsday fears.
WTF oh he thinks Ron Paul is crazy as a bat and says everyday how Obama is our savior and how the republican arse-holes r ruining this country.
Fuck socialist liberals

Ron Paul 2012

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:37 | 2010791 Dr. Kananga
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Have to say, there's a lot of socialist liberals saying to hell with Obama W. Bush too. You don't hear about them or their views because they don't fit the authorized political narrative (like Ron Paul's candidacy.)

Signed, a life-long liberal commie Dem who's going to vote for Paul.

And good luck with your friend too--don't give up--it can take a while to get the blinders off.

 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 22:15 | 2010921 StychoKiller
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Once their own paycheck(s) start to bounce or they find themselves in possession of a 101K (instead of a 401K), their minds will be forced to face reality -- but by then, it will be too late, as we all know.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 20:46 | 2010834 Peter Pan
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My late father would often say that the law could to some extent assist you against thieves and liars but it could not provide any assistance in dealing with wankers. And believe me when i say that wankers are the ones that drive you crazy. So i know how you feel about your friend because we all have a number of them that are like your friend. One of them was so sure of himself and Europe's rescue plans that he bought Greek bank shares in July which have since fallen by 75 per cent. He still doesn't admit his mistake.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 22:16 | 2010923 StychoKiller
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Being stupid is NOT against the law, unfortunately!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 21:40 | 2010887 Return2Sanity
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Below is the best line of argument I know to reach liberals. Usually they agree with the first paragraph, but are skeptical about the Fed's role, so you say “Well then what's your answer? Can you show me any candidate who's promising to prosecute all of the fraud and illegal activities?”

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In 2008 our economy nearly collapsed, but the Federal Reserve and the government bailed out the banks. We were told that the Dodd-Frank bill would make the system safe. Did it? MF Global just went bankrupt and as much as $1.2 billion of customer money just disappeared, even though it answered to four different regulators. Its CEO was a major fund raiser for Obama. The government helps out its banker friends while working against the best interests of the people. More regulation is useless if it's not even enforced.

The Federal Reserve is the root of the problem because the Fed makes lots of cheap money available to the financial industry. The financial industry uses it to make tons of profit that go into campaign contributions. Because of their dependency on these big contributions, politicians are rewarded for making laws that favor the financial industry and for ignoring the illegal and unethical things they do.

The big banks assume that the Federal Reserve will always have their back—they believe that no matter how much risk they take or how much money they lose, the Federal Reserve will always open up the discount window and help them out. Same for the US government—they're acting like the Federal Reserve will always be the backstop for their irreponsible spending. They think that no matter how out of control they get with the budget, the Federal Reserve will step in with an interest rate cut or a Treasury bond-buying program to save their backsides. Until we break the cycle, the financial elite will keep getting more powerful, and the government will become increasingly corrupt.

 

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 08:35 | 2011552 dcb
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As a li8beral who believes everything you wrote in the poswt, I am afraid I fail to see what liberal/ Vs. conservative has to do with this view point. in fact the vast majority of the republicn field is very pro federal reserve. you self constructed view of the world does not fit the facts.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 15:14 | 2012052 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You are correct - liberal and conservative have become meaningless terms whose only utility is as labels for pigeonholes into which people can be grouped and then set against each other. The same is true for republican/democrat and left wing/right wing.

These labels are constantly reinforced by all of the various corporate media, because keeping the American public divided and quarreling is the easiest way for the War Party to maintain control. As long as Americans continue to see their struggles as pigeonhole vs. pigeonhole (left/right, liberal/conservative, republican/democrat) instead of Americans vs. corrupt authoritarian occupational government, the War Party has nothing to worry about.

 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 22:39 | 2010947 ucsbcanuck
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"Fuck socialist liberals" - don't even think your housemate is socialist liberal. Just plain old deluded. I wouldn't even waste energy on him. Talk about waste of a BBA/MBA - the guy can't even accept an opposite viewpoint to his programmed thinking.

Honestly - I don't think we will have Mad Max. However, 2012 will be a bad year and many will be hit by poverty and suffering around the world, and we are in for a significant amount of pain one way or the other. We can't keep kicking the can. There will be a tremendous amount of wealth destruction, but we'll keep our most basic infrastructure.

Hopefully we will use this opportunity to build Bretton Woods part 3, but I'm not betting on it.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 21:30 | 2010875 sosoome
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"... some people have been conditioned to believe that we actually need central planners."

True. Most people, however, have been conditioned to not think there is central planning.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 00:42 | 2011181 Non Passaran
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Like the dude who last week pulled the mic on Schiff in the middle of an interview

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 08:39 | 2011555 dcb
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The vast majority here while "correct" in their views really don't understand why they are correct. I agree that central planning is  aproblem, but it isn't the problem. if the central planners were moving to break up the3 too big to vfail banks and seperate their functionality,l then central planning woould be a good thing. the problem is the central planning is that it is working and spending productive resouc=rces in order to maintain a dysfunctional system we would be better without. the problem isn't central planning it is smple corruption of the state from finance money and a captured system.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:51 | 2010685 bankonzhongguo
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No SWIFT.

No international money transfer.

No bank.

No dice.

 

 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:51 | 2010694 7thCardinal
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The Five Stages Of (Euro)Grief :
  1. Denial and Isolation. <-- We are here
  2. Anger. 
  3. Bargaining. 
  4. Depression. 
  5. Acceptance.

 

I guess SWIFT is loosing a great business opportunity by turning down this request. Any takers?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:31 | 2010784 Dr. Kananga
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Re: business op--I was thinking exactly the same thing.

"SWIFT won't answer the phone? No problem! Currencies R' Us stands ready to handle your transfer needs! Pick your currency, punch in the amount, and you're done! No currency rejected, no amount too big or too small! Download the iPhone app and you're on your way!"

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 00:44 | 2011187 Non Passaran
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Bitcoin :-)

A good opportunity for some UK company to jump in. And show the finger to the Eurocrats.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 04:34 | 2011439 jonjon831983
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Wasn't there some news that some Bitcoin computers were hacked and it resulted in a currency devaluation as more Bitcoins were generated? (ie printed)

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 06:19 | 2011492 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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ah, bitcoin! the biggest laugh of 2011!

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