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Deutsche Bank Exercises In MADness: "Crisis Likely To Get Worse Before It Can Get Better... If Indeed It Ever Does"

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Deutsche Bank's Jim Reid, who has taken etudes in Mutual Assured Destruction to a level not even Leopold Godowsky would be able to execute (which is expected: DB is the one bank in Europe that has the biggest disconnect between reality and where the market trades its securities) reminds us once again that without the ECB stepping in it is all lost: "We are fast running out of options. The great hopes of the last few weeks for Europe have fallen one by one. We first had China pulling back, then a Levered EFSF scheme that has stalled before it has taken off, a powerless IMF and now yesterday we had even more insistence from Mrs Merkel that Eurobonds are not the answer and neither is a more aggressive ECB. It leaves us scratching our heads as to what the answer is." Yet the ultimate step: the questionable integration of Europe's countries in a union whereby they abdicate their sovereignty to Germany in exchange for the issuance of Eurobonds, is not only extremely unlikely, it will also come too late: "Should we get excited ahead of the treaty changes? The answer is that we are undoubtedly slowly moving closer to the start of a path towards fiscal union. However this process, even if it runs smoothly, will likely be a long, drawn-out, arduous journey. Unfortunately markets are moving at a much, much faster pace and we probably don’t have the time for a slow measured path towards fiscal union." In other words, even if the ECB, and thus Germany were to relent, the markets can at best hope for a few days rally before risk tumbles off once again, only this time there will be no scapegoats aside from the bloated and terminally broken European bureaucratic engine which, when all is said and done, is the fatal flaw of the European experiment.

From DB's Early Morning Reid

We are fast running out of options. The great hopes of the last few weeks for Europe have fallen one by one. We first had China pulling back, then a Levered EFSF scheme that has stalled before it has taken off, a powerless IMF and now yesterday we had even more insistence from Mrs Merkel that Eurobonds are not the answer and neither is a more aggressive ECB. It leaves us scratching our heads as to what the answer is. The press conference between Mrs Merkel, Mr Sarkozy and Mr Monti ended with us being told that information about plans to change the EU treaty will be announced in the coming days ahead of the December 9th EU summit but it won’t involve changing the ECB’s mandate. The leaders agreed to respect the independence of the ECB.

Should we get excited ahead of the treaty changes? The answer is that we are undoubtedly slowly moving closer to the start of a path towards fiscal union. However this process, even if it runs smoothly, will likely be a long, drawn-out, arduous journey. Unfortunately markets are moving at a much, much faster pace and we probably don’t have the time for a slow measured path towards fiscal union. As a result the crisis is still likely to get worse before it can get better, if indeed it ever does. The only hope is that there’s enough unity and encouragement in the leaders’ upcoming statements that persuades the ECB that notably upping their bond purchasing is a worthwhile interim measure prior to a fiscal union that they now think is likely.

The market had initially hoped for a tone change from Germany, particularly after the Bild hinted that Merkel’s coalition may be warming up to the idea of euro bonds. The mood quickly reversed after the Trio confirmed that there are no quick fixes to the problems. The news also completely overshadowed the stronger-than- expected German IFOs in the morning. The Stoxx600 fell as much as 2% from the highs to close -0.15% on the day. The FTSE (-0.24%) extended its consecutive down days to nine, a run that was last seen in January 2003 where the FTSE dropped 11 days in a row on the back of geopolitical tensions in the Middle East and on signs of economic slowdown in the US. The Stoxx600 Bank index rallied 1% though after having fallen 8 consecutive days. Dexia gained nearly 28% after a French official said that a deal between the French and Belgian governments can be reached within days.

Asian markets are mostly softer across the board as we type. The Hang Seng and the Kospi are -1.2% and -1.3% lower respectively. The market remains on the back foot after Merkel’s continued hard line stance yesterday. Somewhat interesting is the 6bp rise in JGB 10 year yield to 1.025%, the highest in about 3 weeks. The market is perhaps still digesting S&P’s comments yesterday. To recap, the agency said that “Japan’s finances are getting worse and worse every day, every second” and added that “it may be right in saying that we are closer to a downgrade”. Japan’s Sov CDS were +6bp wider overnight at 131/134bp. Elsewhere in credit the Asia IG and the Aus ITraxx are +4bp and +7bp on the day.

In other overnight news, Moody’s has taken the lead to cut Hungary’s sovereign rating to Junk. The rating was cut to Ba1/Neg from Baa3 with the agency citing rising uncertainty around the country’s ability to meet medium term fiscal/debt targets and the rising susceptibility to event risk

Moody’s decision is somewhat at odds with S&P which decided to deferred its decision on a negative action until February pending negotiations between Hungary and the IMF on a financing deal. Hungary is rated BBB-/CW Neg by S&P and BBB-/Neg by Fitch.

Whilst on rating actions Fitch yesterday downgraded Portugal to BB+/Neg from BBB-, on a day which saw an organised strike paralyse the nation’s capital. Portugal’s 10-year yield rose 84bp on what was another difficult day for the EU government bond market. 10-year BTPs closed above 7% for the first time in 6 days. Elsewhere in Europe, Irish 5yr bond yields rose 47bp to 9.62%. The 10yr Bund yield rose nearly 5bp to close at 2.19%. The recent rise in Bund yields has also seen the Bund/UST spread widened to 31bp, the widest since April 2009. Back to Portugal, the agency said the country’s large fiscal imbalances, high indebtedness across all sectors and adverse macroeconomic conditions as no longer consistent with an IG rating. Portugal is rated BBB-/Neg by S&P and Ba2/Neg by Moody’s.

 


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Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:55 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Rotten To The Korzine ...

 

No chance ever of this Mega-debt to be paid off.

AND Don't think the US is any different.

Same shit, they print more Paper Fiats, and its a Fiat Race to the Bottom...

 

While Russian and other CB's loading up on DELIVERED Physical Gold.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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And selling eurozone gold is also out of the option table, because....it's already gone!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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I see the beard and will myself not to read your comments. I try, Lord knows, but I can't stop myself and each time I read, a little piece of me dies.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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I personally share Jim Reid's sentiments. The process of European integration and fiscal union has been painfully slow, and lacking in real economic reforms. President Herman Van Rompuy summed up Europe's central weakness nicely when he said:

"We cannot have a common currency, a common monetary policy, and leave everything else to the states involved, and yet this is what we have experienced"

In order to implement effective and broad fiscal stimulus programs, the European commission needs more power over legislation and indeed taxation. Europe is at a cross-roads: it is time for them to decide whether they want capital to be allocated by

(a) Experienced economic and political professionals of the highest degree

or

(b) Smelly Euro-trash party animals

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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I'll take Euro-trash party animals for $200, Alex.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:54 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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"" (a) Experienced economic and political professionals of the highest degree ""

 

Hahahahahahahahahaha ... Thats so funny .

PS, I Gata Bridge to sell you ...

 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment caconhma
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Normal people always prefer a "nice & clean" girl rather than a highly professional and experienced whore.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Why is it that the word "reform" always means sticking it to the powerless?

Prison reform--now we just tazer them when they get out of line.

Economic reform--cut benefits like SS and Medicare, cut back on poverty programs such as heating supplements in the NE, cut back on unemployment benefits, raise taxes on the middle class and cut out deductions for RE taxes and mortgage interest, etc

Health Care reform--giving the Insurance industry everything it asks for, thus raising deductibles and premiums while disqualifying people who might have the temerity to get sick.

etc. You get the point. One of those weasel words, like your boss saying there are "concerns" about your performance.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"Why is it that the word "reform" always means sticking it to the powerless."

Because you cannot say "stick it to the powerless".  You need to go to the Orwellian double speak style guide and use "reform".

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Amen to that.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:22 | Link to Comment fonestar
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A better alternative is for the citizens of Europe and the UK to rise up and overthrow their respective governments, charge them with treason and imprison them.  If they offer resistance, execute them.  Set up a vetted citizen's tribunal on both sides of the Atlantic to investigate anyone who holds public office for any financial ties to entities such as GS, MS, JPM, Barclays et al.  Expell them from office or put them on trial.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:36 | Link to Comment english serf
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Please please please let me be on the committee!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 15:00 | Link to Comment upWising
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How about the same "reform" program that you suggest for European Government functionaries and lackeys (prison or execution) apply to their sops and apologists here on ZH?  Yes, I am talking about YOU :: Million Dollar Idiot!  Off with your tiny little head and other tiny little appendages!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 18:48 | Link to Comment BlakeFelix
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MDB is hilarious. I often get a couple sentences in before I stop and have to ask myself "Is this guy serious?" Then I glance back and see it's MDB. Then I lol. Gallows humor is the best kind.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Schmuck Raker
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"Toga! ... Toga! ... Toga!"

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment ratso
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It is unrealistic for anyone to expect Germany to bear the burden of the Eurozone debt.  Any plan in which they become the ultimate guarantor will be still born.  It is also unrealistic to think that Eurozone countries are prepared to surrender their fiscal sovereignty at this stage of the game when they have no leverage and have to bargain from a position of weakness .

So, there will be a painful but gradual dissolution of the Eurozone as it is now constituted. What kind of arrangment the present Eurozone morphs into can not be seen from here because the current members have not adequately viewed this option and understood its consequneces.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:44 | Link to Comment WALLST8MY8BALL
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Husum- we have a problem...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment He_Who Carried ...
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Politicians need to stop giving costly presents to their client constituents and BIG government has to stop spending the money of our kids.
Right on, Mrs. Merkel. Your fight is pro democracy!

All this blabla about ceding souvereignty to the Germans is fear mongering germanophobe nonsense as has been displayed by the London Times. This is about the EU which Germany wants to prevail and ALL governments finally have to give up some fiscal souvereignty in order to make the monetary union work. If the Brits are scared of it, so be it! Italians, French and Germans have to and will work together on this.

If markets are impatient and want a quick fix a la Bernank they need to wake up. There is no legal background for QE-style intervention neither in France nor in Germany and politicians do not want to end up in jail afterall (although some clearly deserve it already!)
Fact is: Companies inside the core Eurozone are earning well, so does a good part of corporate America. Stop being hypocrite about the future by predicting Armageddon. It won't happen! Stop being impatient, start de-leveraging, stop overspending and if trading does not support the lifestyle of those dumb Squid managers anymore, they better go and find themselves a real job!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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If the US is anything to go by, giving up local or state rights in favor of federal oversight is the road to serfdom. The Europeans would be fools to fall into that trap. It just leads to a vast centralization of banker and corporate power with no say for ordinary citizens.  Smaller is always better in matters of politics and government.  Let's hope the Europeans don't give up one iota of their sovereign power.  In addition, Brussels is trying to pull a Paulson, with the insistance that the financial reforms it institutes will be irreversible, un-auditable, and secret, with no legal recourse.

Hopefully, at some point, power in the US will return to the states and the odious and illegal debt imposed by the bankers will be spurned. Only in smaller judicial entities is there any chance for justice for ordinary people and control over sociopathic elements ranging from individuals to giant corporations.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:04 | Link to Comment He_Who Carried ...
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Oh sure. Revert to petty chiefdoms and funny principalities is the answer.
Having fun living in the medieval eating acorns and riding barren horses to town to grab some garb and lettuce? Ridiculous idea! You shoulda changed the type of weed you're smokin' some time ago.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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What wheezing mule did you ride into town on?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:49 | Link to Comment He_Who Carried ...
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Its called BenB, its for sale actually. Want it?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Only if it doesn't mind being insulted.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:45 | Link to Comment bugs_
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is it really a crisis anymore?

political class standing around the crater waving hands in denial.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:05 | Link to Comment donsluck
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Excellent, simple and clear. I like your thinking. It is no longer a crises, now it's a predictable process, trade accordingly.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:46 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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DB knows the end is near. Eurobonds are dead. Germans aren't giving in to this 'engineered crisis' and Merkel appears to be the honey badger...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:06 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Honey badger dont give a damn.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:46 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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I had never heard of "Honey Badger" here is a link to the video that explains it :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:44 | Link to Comment JungleJim
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"Honey Badger", or, "Honey Pot" ?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:47 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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good - let the crisis get worse to wipe out the crapulence infesting europe's economy - to say nothing of the usa economy

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:48 | Link to Comment michaelsmith_9
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The crisis will likely get worse.  The technicals are pointing to a longer term move lower in coming in the weeks ahead.  A short term retracement seems to be underway for the SPX and DX as they continue to move inversely to each other.  The DX continues to remain in a very bullish formation.  The chart technicals are available here.  http://bit.ly/v5PdJS

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:48 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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post-apocalyptic fiscal union. 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Elwood P Suggins
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The insolvent leading the insolvent.

Sat, 11/26/2011 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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"post-apocalyptic fiscal union." 

Monetary unit?

 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Yes. It should be scary to all that things are getting worse slowly and not suddenly like in a crash. It signals that the rebound will be slow and painful and may never reach the previous peak. It means that business as usual is bad and that the economy is retrenching. No external shock, just internal weakness

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:50 | Link to Comment sabra1
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after all is lost, we 99%ers are coming after you, your families, even your pets! you can chem trail us, place more flouride into the water supply, inject gardasil into boys, build more nuclear reactors on fault lines, nuke us with those airport scanners,we're still coming after you! even if we're all mutants, we're coming after you! GOT IT???

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:06 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Chem trails?

Buwahahahaha!

We have another million dollar bonus and hamy here.

A paranoid wacko socialist-survivalist.
Chem trail believers usually dont talk the 99% talk.

Whats next? A drag queen oath keeper?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:26 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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Keep your commie hands of my Constitution! ... and my nylons...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment economics1996
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Go after the politiciians.  Start with Princess Nancy and her court jester John Kerry and his corrupt skinny ass.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:23 | Link to Comment CORNGUY
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How are you going to tell who 1%ers are?

 

Sat, 11/26/2011 - 20:31 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Peasant #1:  "He must be a King!"

Peasant #2: "How do you know he's a King?"

Peasant #1:  "He hasn't got shit all over'im!"

"Monty Python's Holy Grail"

 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:51 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Duh. Deutsche Bank found their brain?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:51 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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Have we seen the bottom for gold/silver - $1,671/oz and $30.88/oz ?

Record Gold Hoard Spurs Bullish Bets Eric Sprott Asking Silver Producers to Save in Silver
Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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I dont care what silver and gold are price at in USD.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Pegasus Muse
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I don't know if precious metal investors can trust Sprott and Sprott's funds anymore. He has repeatedly issued Follow-On Offerings in his PHYS (gold fund) which effectively robbed investors of their accrued premiums resulting from the increase in the POG in the market. Investor put their capital at risk by investing in Sprott's fund. Instead of being rewarded, they watch as the fund manager skims off some their premium.

And now, after promising not to, Sprott apparently is going to do the same thing in his PSLV (silver fund). Ref: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1494728/000091957411006436/d12437... https://www.caseyresearch.com/gsd/critical-read/sprott-asset-management-files-15-billion-short-form-shelf-prospectus-pslv-0

Sprott told Eric King, in his Jan 29, 2011 interview, that he “would not do anything to hurt existing shareholders of PSLV”. At the time, Sprott was well aware of the anger and pushback he getting from existing shareholders after he diluted them by executing several Follow-On Offerings in the PHYS. Clearly, Sprott implied in this interview he would not do Follow-On Offerings of PSLV shares.

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2011/1/29_Eric_Sprott.html

You listen. You decide.

I am coming to realization investors cannot trust anyone in the financial services industry. Even the advocates of Precious Metals. Buy the physical. Hold it yourself so you don't get ripped off.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:06 | Link to Comment WhiteNight123129
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I agree somewhat, at the same time you need more physical Silver funds out there so that the paper market gets it lesson, what would you do to increase the quantity of Silver against the paper market ? The more physical silver is traded and the more people decide not to lend their shares, the harder it will get to have the paper market dictate teh price.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:52 | Link to Comment fonzanoon
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Once the ESFS deploys the trillion dollars into the bond markets things will calm down substantially.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:08 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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We have shrinkage... the ESFS has shrunk to about $500 billion already ... maybe it's the weather, maybe it's Merkel ..but the ESFS gets more flaccid everyday

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:52 | Link to Comment spartan117
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Tyler, it's obvious Germany wants the Euro DOWN.  I mean they ARE an export oriented country.  By telling the world how bad the Eurozone is, they get to have their cake and eat it to.  A weak Euro without the necessity to print. 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:00 | Link to Comment kloot
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and their banks will be bought for cheap in bankruptcy, seems kinda the way it should be.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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A cheap euro won't help.
People in countries around the world are already buying products made in their own countries whenever possible.
They all know someone who has lost their job/house and have finally...FINALLY...started supporting local manufacture whenever possible.
And the same goes for local tourism.
Europe (specially France, Spain, Italy) is sustained mostly on tourism.
The slow eurozone trainwreck is about to evolve into a full speed head on collision.

Sat, 11/26/2011 - 13:15 | Link to Comment DrunkenMonkey
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"People in countries around the world are already buying products made in their own countries whenever possible." Lol, wot ?

"Europe (specially France, Spain, Italy) is sustained mostly on tourism."

Spain, to a certain extent, yes,  but France and Italy ? Are you high ?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:54 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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More WW3 news... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-halts-russian-military-... UK Halts Russian Military Agreement

The UK will stop sharing military information with Russia under an international convention following Moscow's failure to co-operate, the Government has announced.

The Russians suspended compliance with the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) in December 2007.

The treaty places limits on the build-up of troops, tanks, artillery and other non-nuclear forces from the Atlantic to the Ural Mountains.

Europe Minister David Lidington said despite "considerable efforts to engage the Russian Federation" talks had broken down.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment farmerjohn2112
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Scariest bit of news in a long time - totally unreported by US media (surprize!)

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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That's some epic video. LOL

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:16 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Its ALL about start up of WW3.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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The Russians are playing chess. They are taking advantage of world opinion which has to be completely against another ME invasion by the West which, in this case is clearly aimed at Iran. They know that this is their only opportunity to forstall this invasion, which would necessitate them coming to the aid of both Syria and Iran. This seeming brinkmanship could very well be a Russian effort to prevent a wider war. Much as I disapprove of Putin, I can see how the Russians might feel they have no choice but to threaten Europe and the US.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:54 | Link to Comment defn8Dog
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Spot on about DB disconnect, trading in the $30s.  Note of caution, however, to those who would short DB:  "fail to deliver" is rampant  in the shares, has been for over a month.  Forced selling as a result (2008 SEC rule) is just another egregious insult to small investors, driving them out of this market. 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment fonzanoon
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Can you expand on this? Pardon my ignorance but I am interested but are not sure what you are saying here exactly.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment donsluck
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Fail to deliver is exactly that, you buy futures on, say, a stock. You let it expire and (hopefully) take delivery. But it doesn't exist because your counter party never had it in the first place (a naked short). SEC requires you accept a cash payout on the difference in your price at purchase and the price at option expiration. This is why, although not controlled by the SEC, all precious metals should be purchased directly and not through the futures market.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:45 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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Poor... poor Gerald... all that trendiness, and he still didn't see it coming.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment defn8Dog
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Say you short shares DB or any other issue that appears to have shares available for the borrow.  If instead, on the settlement date 3 days later (T+3) the shares are not delivered to your broker, your broker must immediately- often at the open - buy shares to cover, closing out the position at a gain, a loss, whatever.  

http://www.sec.gov/divisions/marketreg/tmcompliance/34-60388-secg.htm

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment fonzanoon
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Thank you both. Is this unique to DB or is this common among different financials?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Reese Bobby
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There is something unseemly about Kraut banks begging for a Fed bail-out.  Man-up bitchez!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:54 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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In other words, "shove it down their throats now". All hail EU overlords!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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From CNBS: Tea party retaliates to Occupy Wall Street with "BUYcott Black Friday". 

drudge.tw/uyKv5j

http://markamerica.com/2011/11/24/tea-party-opposes-occupy-black-friday-...

 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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The Tea party is totally co-opted and useless.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:55 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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I've seen Stay at home Wives jugging 30 maxed out credit cards do a better job of hiding the coming credit crash from her hard working Husband.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:55 | Link to Comment SwingForce
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Its funny the viewpoint that people within finance have of THEMSELVES. They are the ones 2 months ago running around with their Hair Onfire, now they want us to believe that there's no hope at all. Using my "Squid Decoder Ring", I say in the past 2 months they have found a solution (or at least the problems can be absorbed without the world coming to an end). Full on banksterz retard, they created this monster for themselves.

I sense a vacuum-tube meltup on the way from the reading on my flux capacitor...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:59 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Say, which cereal brand comes with that decoder ring?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:14 | Link to Comment donsluck
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It has to be Lucky Charms.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Sure.  Irish banking.  LOL.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:33 | Link to Comment SwingForce
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Tyler's got one too, he analyzes The Stolper with it.....

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Notice, each vacuum-tube meltup has anticipated another leg down for the economy. It's no coincidence: rigging the stock market through the Fed network is keeping the economy over-financialized and further killing the real economy, in part through the excess inflation that creates. But also by creating giant mis-allocations of capital and encouraging further offshoring of jobs and industries. Needless to say, it also worsens the over-concentration of capital into the hands of an ever smaller minority

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Speaking of legs down, this financialization of the economy is like economic bone cancer.  Eventually, the bone becomes so rotten that it just collapses. Not something you'd wish on your worst enemy (well, maybe we'll make an exception for Bob Rubin).

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:57 | Link to Comment 1835jackson
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Wow! Jim Reid is frickin genius! Such sharp perception! Give that man a bonus! Who could have thought that the EU would break up? WOW!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 11:58 | Link to Comment MFL8240
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Italy, Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain need to say FU to the Eurozone and depart saving their sovereignty and replacing the Euro with their own currency.  The problem isnt that they cannot do this, the problem is that the greatest losses will fall at the feet of the French and German banks and thereafter with Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan.    

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment 1835jackson
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It's sad isn’t it? Look, these filthy psychopath financers are going to create this crisis and then come in with their solution to the problem they created. The strategy this time is to get rid of European borders. You are all IMFers now. My take...short everything then long everything after the crisis.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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The answer to this lies in the following question. Who in there right mind would hold any of the EU sovereign debt in Euros? The answer lately is no one. The solution then comes from what currency you would rather hold in EU debt. The answer is the dollar.

The US dollar denominated EU sovereign debt bond offerings. Tendered either by the IMF or ECB it will eliminate the currency risk in the Euro and though it would be temporary admission of defeat of course for EU and Euro they may not  have a choice. It would likely stop the rise in sovereign debt yields. Don't be surprised when this is where we end up.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Burgess Shale
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A bloated and paralized eurozone bureaucracy is fine with me.  A speedy but poorly analyzed solution is more to be feared.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Hey Deutsche Bank get with the program, DOW is up +70, therefore 'all is well' has been declared.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Repeat three times  "Greed is good, deficits don't matter!" 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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Robot, I think you logged in with the wrong profile.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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OH sorry, forgot the <sarc> tag.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Fuck yeah. No shrinkage here.
Time to get long baby.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Deutsche Bank Exercises In MADness: "Crisis Likely To Get Worse Before It Can Get Better... If Indeed It Ever Does"... UNLESS YOU GIVE US ALL THE POWER TO US EFFICIENT GERMANS... ASK THE JEWS, TRAINS ARE ALWAYS ON TIME...
Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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But...but...isnt hope springing eternal this morning that the ECB will 'do something'?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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In the immortal words of a famous Swedish band:

The Winner Takes It All.

Germans been waiting 150 years for this moment.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment economics1996
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The parasite class needs to get the fuck out of the way of the peasant class so we can make a fucking living.

Bad shit happens when the elites do not get the fuck out of the way and continue to hold their had out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjYLRxHWKiQ

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:16 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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There are two parasite classes squeezing Joe the Worker in the middle.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 14:19 | Link to Comment MoneyScraper
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Free mortgages!  Free healthcare!  Free education!  Free jobs!  Free stupidity and naivete! (Wait! Those last two are already free.  Wonder why!?)

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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HEIL MERKEL !!!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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Look at Italian Sovs compared to U.S. Treasuries. A glimpse at our future. It's a spending/debt problem which is not politically fixable!!!!!!!

Italian Bond Auctions Reveal Their Deep Debt Problems - Mama Mia!

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com

 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:49 | Link to Comment flattrader
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This is worthy of a guest contribution,

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/upcoming-case-shiller...

unlike a lot of the crap that get posted.

Tylers, start looking for this kind of content.  It's out there.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment flattrader
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On an unrelated note, why am I seeing an ad for Muslima.com?...Muslim matrimonial website?  Sheesh...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Pegasus Muse
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Like the Godowsky analogy, though a German composer, like Brahms and his studies might better serve http://www.pianostreet.com/search/searchcollection.php?id=82 as demonstrated by legendary pianist Idel Biret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vsIV3t_TIk

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Pegasus Muse, thanks for the sheet music reference and the Brahms. I will definitely listen to more Idil Biret.

In checking out Pianostreet, I notice they do not have anything for Samuel Feinberg, which I've been searching for recently. Here is a wonderful recording by the incredible pianist Christoph Sirodeau of the 3rd Sonata. You will see what an amazing treasure Feinberg is if you listen to several of his piano compositions and you may get hooked!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfxRvFoSt8

Don't neglect to listen to Part 2 where everything is tied together in an dazzling virtuosic fugue. It's really astonishing that the human being can compose and/or play this music.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Pegasus Muse
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Powerful intense music.  He immediately brought to mind the later works of Scriabin, then I read his bio .... well there you go.  Russian.  Moscow Conservatory.  Thanks for sharing.  You might also find this worthwhile resource for Brahms piano works:  http://www.bh2000.net/score/pianbrah/

 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 18:24 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Thanks for the Brahms. Duly bookmarked.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:29 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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i think the eurozone will be reformed to 13 countries........nice number , no?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:32 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Sov spending/debt has been unfixed/unfixable ever since I was born, yet the system keeps running.  Gee, why is that?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment masterinchancery
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I doubt that even Deutsch Bank believes a word of it.  Union with countries with junk quality credit?--impossible even if the public would stand for it.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:43 | Link to Comment Burgess Shale
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Deutsch Bank douche bag

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:47 | Link to Comment SheepleLOVEched...
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dont worry about europe, american taxpayers will end up bailing eu out

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:52 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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Planned destruction leads to federation. If Germany has to foot the bill, then Germany gets to call the shots. Methinks Merkel protests too much. The plan ias to just allow the pain to become unbearable, and then say, well, "we had no choice."

A federated Europe will be dominated by the Holy Roman Empire- Germany's old name.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:59 | Link to Comment Peter K
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Angela de Grosse. Has a bit of a ring to it:)

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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So when does Merkel get replaced with an IMF/GS technocrat?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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The huge EU bureaucracy and 17 widely different countries/cultures with conflicting interests are going to somehow come together and make the changes necessary to fix this problem before the market properly fixes it for them (i.e., cuts up their credit card)?

Uh, not a snowball's chance in the equatorial regions.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 13:29 | Link to Comment WhiteNight123129
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It will get better ... in 10 years.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:54 | Link to Comment falak pema
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who will bail out the FED... Krugman is right we need the Martians to declare war on...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:56 | Link to Comment Peter K
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"The only hope is that there’s enough unity and encouragement in the leaders’ upcoming statements that persuades the ECB that notably upping their bond purchasing is a worthwhile interim measure prior to a fiscal union that they now think is likely."

This is the key. It's all happy clappy talk, with no dosh behind it. The point of the exercise is to baffle the ECB with bullshit, i.e. that the respective countries are still on board for the big win. And the end game is ECB monitization. And nothing more.

Sat, 11/26/2011 - 16:31 | Link to Comment johnjb32
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"Yet the ultimate step: the questionable integration of Europe's countries in a union whereby they abdicate their sovereignty to Germany in exchange for the issuance of Eurobonds, is not only extremely unlikely, it will also come too late: 'Should we get excited ahead of the treaty changes? The answer is that we are undoubtedly slowly moving closer to the start of a path towards fiscal union. However this process, even if it runs smoothly, will likely be a long, drawn-out, arduous journey. Unfortunately markets are moving at a much, much faster pace and we probably don’t have the time for a slow measured path towards fiscal union.'"

It makes one wonder how long supposedly intelligent creatures could or should survive. Growth is over. Good read. -- Michael C. Ruppert

 

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