This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Deutsche Bank Hides The Hopium: "The Next Recession Should Start By The End Of August"

Tyler Durden's picture





 

If there is one bank report that Obama wishes is absolutely wrong it is the following note from Deutsche Bank's Jim Reid (definitely not part of the bank's laughable Trinity Of Perma Bull consisting of Bianco, Chadha and, of course, La Vorgna) who, looking at the timing of business cycles, makes the following ominous, for both the economy and Obama's reelection chances, prediction: "If this US cycle is of completely average length as seen using the last 158 years of history (33 cycles) then the next recession should start by the end of August." The only saving grace for the president: since the advent of centrally-planned markets, nothing is as it used to be, and the business cycle no longer exists ("JP Morgan Finds Obama, And US Central Planning, Has Broken The Economic "Virtuous Cycle""). Still, maybe, this is the one last trace of free capital markets that the Fed has (so far) been unable to totally destroy. We are confident it will get right on it.

From DB:

Our shorter business cycle theory (or return to normal length ones at least) first discussed two years ago was based around what we saw as a future lack of policy flexibility from the monetary and fiscal side. It feels like Europe has proved us right but that the US has the ability to disprove the universal nature of our theory. If this US cycle is of completely average length as seen using the last 158 years of history (33 cycles) then the next recession should start by the end of August. The average expansion has been 39 months over the period. One way the US can disprove us over the next 6-12 months is if they find a way of maintaining what are record peace time budget deficits thus showing that they retain fiscal flexibility where virtual every other country has had this reduced. Perhaps much depends on the election, the next budget ceiling point and crucially the Fiscal cliff debate.

Of course, just to confirm that every major bank is both schizophrenic and covers all bases at the same time, a member of the abovementioned trinity of Perma Bull came out literally at the same time as Reid with the following piece of "analysis":

MAPI, our US macro data surprise index, last week hit the bottom of its 2 standard deviation band. This has typically characterized the end of data disappointment cycles. Economic forecasts which were slow to come down have been downgraded sharply. The typical pattern from here would be for fewer negative surprises and then positive ones. The risk to our view is that the joint decline in the US, Europe and EM for the first time since 2009 has  crossregion multiplier impacts that result in a deeper data disappointment cycle.

The world may be ending, but at least we are all laughing, all the way.

 


- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Rahm
Rahm's picture

August Suprise, Bitchez!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Colombian Gringo
Colombian Gringo's picture

Translation: God forbid that the Banksters summer vacations are affected by the mess they created.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:10 | Link to Comment CPL
CPL's picture

It actually starts in two days, but since the complete collapse happens during the quarter and is only reported at the end of the quarter.

 

Please keep that in mind when banks spout this drivel.  Quarterly reporting still counts, in Deutsche bank's terms, the recession starts at the end of Q2.  For all of us though it will start on Thursday.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment Marginal Call
Marginal Call's picture

Don't worry.  Europe closed a half hour ago, and everybody is going to lunch.  We're gonna ramp this fucker up. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment oak
oak's picture

After London Olympic.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:06 | Link to Comment idea_hamster
idea_hamster's picture

I wonder how this fits in with September/election-year banking crises?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:26 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
Caviar Emptor's picture

But in a centrally planned economy can we really have a recession? Any monetary pump, inventory channel-stuffing stunt, fiscal stim grunt, or accounting rules lump and we end up with 0.001% growth. Fixed!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment MarsInScorpio
MarsInScorpio's picture

Once again, the world shows how ZH leads the pack. No sooner do I finish reading about the September Syndrome of banking crisis genesis, than I read about the predicted recession within The Second Great Depression in which we now live.

 

But I really have to ask, "When will people stop lying about being in The Second Great Depression instead of acting as though we go from one disconnected recession to another?"

 

A depression is the umbrella that covers all the series of recessions - what we are now experiencing. We are in The Second Great Depression, and this upcoming recession is merely another of those that will occur under that umbrella.

-30-

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment bigwavedave
bigwavedave's picture

Great. Lets put Mitt 'The Banker" Romney in charge

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
Caviar Emptor's picture

Mittens will save us!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
Abitdodgie's picture

America is not very "free" if you can only vote for one of two people.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment mrktwtch2
mrktwtch2's picture

if it gets bam bam out of office ..im all for it..

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:06 | Link to Comment bigkahuna
bigkahuna's picture

2 party system. bam bam is going to be in office whether he is reelected or not.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment XitSam
XitSam's picture

Bush will be elected to his 4th term no matter who people vote for.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment CPL
CPL's picture

You honestly think a president or a government has the power to stop this situation?

 

Smarten up.  This is not a movie.  There is no happy ending.  The villians always escape and nice people will be destroyed.  This is what happens when the math is completely correct.  There is no "mistake" or anything to point blame at.

 

The system is built to collapse in on itself.  Failure was always a guarentee, not an option.  Ponzi schemes always fail.  Paper money always fail.  Banks always fail.

 

Always, not some times, always.  It is the fatal flaw in all fractional reserve currencies.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment CPL
CPL's picture

To those in the intelligence community or any government attached role to any country with a central bank.

 

This is the end of you getting a paycheck and any of those "benefits" you were promised.  In two days they will be gone forever.  All of it.  Please be aware to take note of where you are when the "news" hits your department.

 

tick tock tick tock.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment knightowl77
knightowl77's picture

I hope that you are correct...

However I have heard this way too many times in the past to think this time is the "actual" event

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment Chump
Chump's picture

What happens in two days?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
Totentänzerlied's picture

1 week to live, 3 days to save the euro, 2 minutes to midnight (The hands that threaten doom! 2 minutes to midnight! To kill the unborn in the womb!)

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment bigkahuna
bigkahuna's picture

Oh damn...Iron Maiden!?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment ONO47
ONO47's picture

You forgot,  "Run to the Hills" and, of course, "The Number of the Beast"

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment Abner Doon
Abner Doon's picture

If former New York Fed Chairman and Goldman Sach's alumni Stephen Friedman knew about secret loans to Goldman in 2008 and 2009, how did he not buy GS with unknown information?

http://hartzman.blogspot.com/2012/06/if-former-new-york-fed-chairman-and.html

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment midgetrannyporn
midgetrannyporn's picture

JPM, the biggest fascist of them all, is complaining about the death of free markets?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
Poetic injustice's picture

That's corporate policy. As companyface, you care about saving trees while your subordinates dump toxic waste into rivers and open polluting factories in third world countries.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
Shizzmoney's picture

sftrue on that one. 

Save paper and plastic at the US office to look "green", yet your vendors are dumping lead and dangerous resin plastics into mud and river.  Donate money to breast cancer research, while you use the pink branding to pinkwash products you sell to make 100x's more money than you donated.  Give loans to community projects like BOA does to make neat commericals out of it, yet take all of your deposits of your customers onto the Fed's balance sheet as collateral for your toxic debt.

Bullish on bullshit. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Rainman
Rainman's picture

Rather than the next recession beginning, it's more like the rent-a-recovery program is ending.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Stock Tips Inve...
Stock Tips Investment's picture

I agree. I think it is very likely to be so. The problem is that the market, usually "discounts" these events several months earlier. Therefore, it is I think is very important to follow the movements and the tendency of Wall Street. Otherwise, Cundo we realize what is happening, it's too late to take remedial measures.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Temporalist
Temporalist's picture

But house prices "only" fell 1.9%.  Everything must be awesomer than when the recession ended 3 years ago.  The only way things will get better is if Obama and Mitt could be genetically spliced into one super president that also kills vampires.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:59 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
mayhem_korner's picture

 

 

+1 "awesomer"

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment GolfHatesMe
GolfHatesMe's picture

You're not supposed to look at that.  Prices were up from March to April by 1.3%.  Pretty soon we will see that prices were up from 11:00 EST to 1:30PM EST on some mild Sunday. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
Shizzmoney's picture

Look at it this way: Housing prices are off from their lows of the year.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment JohnG
JohnG's picture

Recession my ass.  This is a full blown depression, and anal-cysts just turn a blind eye.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment earleflorida
earleflorida's picture

the eye of the anus, i presume dr john

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment txsilverbug
txsilverbug's picture

How can we enter a new recession when we never left the last one?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
mayhem_korner's picture

How can we enter a new recession when we never left the last one?

 

I think that's the 2012 version of the Riddle of the Sphynx...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment dirtbagger
dirtbagger's picture

You have that right Silver Bug.  How can the author use statistical analysis when there has been so much manipulation of the economy from the Fed?   He should start his article with the preface " all things being equal...."  the economy will tank in August.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
Poetic injustice's picture

To get out of recession, we turned 360 degrees. There.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
mayhem_korner's picture

 

 

Yes, the last 158 years of history is a relevant for what lies ahead.  They've really outdone themselves this time in terms of robust statistical analysis.

Forecasting is an arbitrary means of buttressing some other decision or view.  I say spare us the "analytics" (/sarc) and just spout off unabashed - it's more entertaining.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
Chupacabra-322's picture

Recession?  We're in a Goddam Depression.  By the way, after the Great Depression ended the Global Elite decided to change the word from Depression to Recession.  That way, it conditions the Sheep to interpret the deep shit we're in as not so bad.  Recession just sounds better.  Better to be fucked with vasaline than without.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture

And before that, depressions were called recessions. 

Like windmills in my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iP0q1xIkB4

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
francis_sawyer's picture

No, the next and all future recessions will be called "Obamacare"...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment El Oregonian
El Oregonian's picture

Better yet, The crew at CNBC would rather you used "Soft Patch" that way it sounds like something you have to clean off your shoe.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Bam_Man
Bam_Man's picture

According to ECRI, we are already in "the next recession" and have been for several months.

Just more useless sell-side drivel from Deutsche Bank.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:59 | Link to Comment BBullionaire
BBullionaire's picture

US cycle is of completely average length as seen using the last 158 years of history

There aint no average anymore. The Central planners fixed that. Thus far.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment midgetrannyporn
midgetrannyporn's picture

agreud. pricing fixing in stocks and bonds has permanently remedied all problems. /sarc

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment ebworthen
ebworthen's picture

Cue Joe La Bologna on CNBC saying that the Euro crisis will be solved and he can see European green shoots and mustard seeds; time to buy, buy, buy.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment Temporalist
Temporalist's picture

But of course the markets look poised to only go up for the next 10 decades; there's never been a better time to buy again.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment asteroids
asteroids's picture

Wouldn't it be neat if interest rates started to rise to reflect "risk" in August.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
francis_sawyer's picture

 "by the end of August"

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, even the Mayans gave more specific timeframes than that...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
SheepDog-One's picture

The real funny part is anyone still believes the people have any choice in the matter of who is president.

BTW....what 'recession'? Depression papered over for 3 years with funny money.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:07 | Link to Comment No Euros please...
No Euros please we're British's picture

Speaking of funny money, you can make a really neat green dye for paper using arsenic. Just saying.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
Dr. Engali's picture

August...just happens to coincide with the next printing cycle. Isn't that covenient ?  Hey douche bank. We have been in a depression since 2000

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment dwdollar
dwdollar's picture

Well... we're already in a Depression. So... expect a Recession during a Depression? Fantastic.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:08 | Link to Comment txsilverbug
txsilverbug's picture

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

 

Magic 8 ball says we are in a recession..

 

Its accurate, the same one that bernanke uses.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:13 | Link to Comment dwdollar
dwdollar's picture

"Are we in a depression?"

"outlook not so good"

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
Miss Expectations's picture

Since the Charlotte Motor Speedway will now be available on September 3rd, Ron Paul should rent it out and headline with Ted Nugent.  The party of yes is a failure.  The party of no is a failure.  I'd call it The Party of I Told You So Recession Kick Off Concert."

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment dannynewmexico
dannynewmexico's picture

I Love the way that bankers use terms like ressision like it means anything!

 

What have we been living through for the last 4 years??

 

 

survivingsurvivalism.com

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Euro Monster
Euro Monster's picture

/rage!!!!!!111111

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Father Lucifer
Father Lucifer's picture

 

Charles Nenner - End of the Supercycle

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXeF_bnvIPU

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
Shizzmoney's picture

Wait, we are out of the last recession?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment potlatch
potlatch's picture

Why do I get the impression these dudes also graphed and quantified their wedding nights?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment adr
adr's picture

Hundreds of billions in inventory was produced to support "2012 The Year of Recovery". This all sits in retail channels and wholesale warehouses unsold. August is back to school season and traditionaly the big kickoff for retail sales. It isn't going to happen this year.

It is terrible for me, more than half of my back to school orders have been put on hold. Open to buy dolars are non-existent. Retail buyers have told me that discounts of 50% haven't even made a dent in the overhanging inventory.

People are buying necessities only. Thanks to Bernanke the necessities all cost at least double what they cost before. There is no money left for the fun stuff.

You think Apple "sold" all those iPads and iPhones? Nope, more than half the inventory is still sitting in the backrooms of retailers. Sprint doesn't know what to do with all the stock they have. It is pretty telling that the prepay carriers are starting to carry iPhones.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:09 | Link to Comment TimmyB
TimmyB's picture

I have to agree with you.  I see discounts of 75% for spring and summer clothes, and its only June.  My wife told me she thought it looked like the sales of 2008 all over again, when retailers were almost giving stuff away. 

I may not know shit about shit, but I think the two things that our economy runs on are oil and money.  Low interest rates and oil prices show a lack of demand for our economy's major imputs.  On what planet is that good news? 

 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Cycle
Cycle's picture

I use the DJIA since 1896 as a surrogate for extracting economic cycles.  Beginning in late 2011, there was an increasing divergence between the predicted and the actual price levels, which has now turned into an interesting chart - where the actual price curve is offset from the predictive price curve but is following it in parallel fashion as shown on this DJIA chart at http://econocasts.blogspot.com/   One possibility I put forth is that while the central planners may have delayed a normal cyclical contraction by 6 months or so - we're now at the beginnings of a major decline.  There are some cycles that emerge out of the DJIA chart that are related to natural cycles, such as the 11.8 yr solar cycle, which are outside the purview of the central planners. For example, agricultural production tends to decline during years peak solar activity  because of draught which likely impacts the economic cycle.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
Lebensphilosoph's picture

And you need to look at the pseudoscience of economic 'cycles' to figure that one out. Jesus. The next recession? When did the first one actually end?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment nobusiness
nobusiness's picture

Recession start date will be revised so that it is over before it began.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
Totentänzerlied's picture

"The Next Recession Should Start By The End Of August"

Don't make St. Bernank the Biflator angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment TheObsoleteMan
TheObsoleteMan's picture

The "next recession" never ended.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment zrussell
zrussell's picture

Recession, depression, 50% unemployment- inside information has it that the Global Elite have decided that Pres O gets two terms, then heads G20. The Nobel PP was an attaboy for getting the healthcare bill signed. He has done a amazing job for them- to transition and prepare this nation to dissolve into the NWO.

 

Strap in!

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment BotMightFly
BotMightFly's picture

  Perhaps we should start our own business cycle by trading outside the system and not suffer dependency anxiety while we engineer opportunity along the way.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!