Did Interactive Brokers' CEO Commit Insider Trading By Buying 8 Million Shares Of MF Global Ahead Of Its Bankruptcy?

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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 17:57 | 1858428 Irish66
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What did Flowers do.....???

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:08 | 1858474 rubyruffruff
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sold the shares they had to peterffy (sumone has 2b the dumbass in the room).......flowers ain't tht stupid......if there was any value to mf he would have swooped in and made a deal with johnny boy corzine to steal the company at a cheapo price.........flowers ran cause he must have a an early look see at the cooked books or knew how fk'd the trades corzine had put on were.........peterffy suffered from the simple ailment of gross greed......he thought he could milk all the brokerage bus. and neutralize the sovergn losses in mayb 2 or 3 yrs.......with all the brokerage cash missing he got handed a massive bag of shit 2 hang onto........betcha he was buying b4 interactive brokers had done full due diligence.......posted by an interactive brokers custy of the last 8yrs........mayb peterffy wants 2 explain sum his facinating market making algo's in stock options

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:15 | 1858495 Irish66
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6% preferred

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:28 | 1858543 Hard1
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Reverse engineering bitchez!

Wed, 11/09/2011 - 07:25 | 1859997 AldousHuxley
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That's the kind of idiots heading up the financial sector. Even with INSIDER TRADING, they still lose money.

Yet they have sell side analysts pumping the idea that somehow they can guess the price of a stock 6 months from now just because they stroke the CFO's ego during an earnings call.


Bankruptcy Bonuses? MF Global Rewards Staff Just Before Bankruptcy




For wall street, it is wall street first.



Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:30 | 1858549 mynhair
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Flowers made some hand gesture that scared a Lib.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:00 | 1858429 Seasmoke
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looks like he was corzined

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:25 | 1858517 hambone
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<Rant on> I'm 41yrs old, happily married, and two great kids in their teens - I'm generally a "winner" in this economy as I'm part of the 1.5% (though a long way from 1.5% to 1%!) so what the fuck do I have to complain about?  Why the fuck am I so mad?  And yet, I feel my guts are being torn out daily as I watch the thievery, lies, misdirection, manipulation, and collapse of faith, trust, honesty, justice, and optimism.  I have no interest in working within such a fraudulent system any longer and can only bring myself to do the absolute minimum.  Some days I don't recognize myself.  Day by day I'm clearer that the collective is dead and that we are all on our own, dog eat dog (not exactly the lesson I’d like to teach my kids).  Maybe because I'm a fucking nerd that studies history, economics, finance, politics in my spare time that I care to see what is being done more so than the average person???  Maybe because I believe in America and I can't look away and isolate myself from the "big world" - I feel America's shortcomings as my own.

I've likely 40yrs to live and fuck if I'm going to watch broken gov. and crooked private institutions steal what little I've saved, what opportunity my kids will have by inflation, taxes, outright confiscation all so a few can live oh so well, to fulfil pledges I never made to unions, to make whole foreign bond buyers, to bailout and bonus bankers who played the moral hazard.  Likewise I've no interest in joining the few to screw the many.

I now know there are many like me that are fucking seething w/ rage at what is being done...I yearn for the opportunity to destroy the system that rewarded me and likely lose some or all of what I've saved but at least have a chance to rebuild a society where my kids can have faith in money, trust in the law, hope for their future, and pride in being American.  In fact, my greatest fear is that nothing will happen, no blow-up, no "justice", no realignment but instead just more of the same.  I hold out what little optimism I have for Americans to remember what is great about our nation and cull that that is so antithetical to what we hopefully stand for.<Rant off>

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:31 | 1858554 mynhair
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Destroy the System!

Re-Elect ODummer!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:36 | 1858565 I Got Worms
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Good rant. I am a 4 years younger version of you.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:47 | 1858585 spinone
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Suffer in silence.  Cherish and nurture your rage.  Prepare.  Keep a low profile and stay away from crowds.  Find like minded individuals.  Keep a list of names, crimes, address, and known accomplices. Wait and be patient for the correct moment, if it comes, which it might not.  But it might.  Timing is everything.


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:46 | 1858587 InconvenientCou...
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Your core values are at odds with the values of predatory machines and traitors that serve them.

It's a dangerous time for you in the belly of the beast, but clarity of spirit and conscience are a surprisingly strong defense.


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 19:09 | 1858694 hambone
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Thanks all - I'm sure much of what I write is correct and some undoubtedly is wrong.  Glad to have a forum to share my ravings....unfortunately I am in a minority of one among my co-workers and friends regarding my beliefs.  I'm not attempting to convert or even converse about the issues that I feel are so central to our present and future.  Not that they neccessarily disagree, they just haven't a clue what I'm talking about (sorta like RP w/ the general electorate).   Helpful for me to visit w/ others likewise operating on the fringes of "conventional wisdom" and the "herd".

Wed, 11/09/2011 - 03:17 | 1859805 Omen IV
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you said it well - i am negative also but just this week i am starting to look at it all differently - the fraud is so pervasive and so deep everywhere not just government but all facets of every day living which to me is a turning point

as in the market when everyone is fully bought there is no one to buy anymore and the market goes south - i think many people see the same thing and there must be record levels of cash - no one wants to risk being defrauded so the system is stopping - velocity going to nothing  

i was at a lecture sponsored by publica tonite at the tenament house -on orchard street - with a harvard doctor and two pulitzer prize winning journalists and  the place was packed -

the topic was the payoffs of doctors by the drug companies and how they funnel the money thru various vehicles in the billions to get their drugs prescribed with impunity - massive operation - people see it and are now reacting  - just one small area of where the system is gamed but it all is the same everywhere - we may be at a turning point  



Tue, 11/08/2011 - 19:39 | 1858791 SRV - ES339
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Nice rant hambone!

Buy silver... visit your local OWS protest and offer your support (be very suspicious of the hippy/anarchist meme approach to the divide and conquer game)... turn the rant back on and never turn it off, no matter who you're with!

Wecome aboard.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 20:20 | 1858910 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Take this one and put it in the textbooks.  Perfect example of a lone wolf domestic terrorist here.  So are you gonna man up and become a self appointed judge jury and executioner?  Don't answer that, just watch your step.  There must be someone at the FBI who reads Zerohedge.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 20:34 | 1858948 hambone
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really???  I'll tell that one my sons basketball team I coach, to the carpools I drive, to my wife in bed tonight.  Good stuff. 

Don't know where judge, jury, or executioner comes from...remeber the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building in Texas?  probably not and likely hardly anybody else does either...just a wasted life.  Nope, only way we'll change this around is changing the narrative, the conventional wisdom.  From what I see, tea party and OWS are both good starts but still seems too soon for the masses.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 21:43 | 1859153 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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I'm just speculating here, but would not be the least bit surprised if you just bought yourself a spot on some high priority watch-list somewhere.

Access to resources: check, don't buy into the propaganda: check, pissed off: check, willing to sacrifice self for justice or some other ideal: maybe.  That's a lot of red flags there, and I'd say there's a better than average chance that ZH is monitored.

That fool in Texas couldn't even see who the real crooks are, couldn't see past the IRS.

If you ever do reach the point that you want to sacrifice yourself for whatever it is you believe in, self immolation is your best chance of making a difference.  It worked in Tunisia.  Don't kill innocent people, it's ineffective.

If I could start a meme that would be it.  Self immolation works, killing innocents doesn't.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 22:18 | 1859286 RiverRoad
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Take heart hambone; it was folks thinking just like you who built this country in the first place.  And who will save it in the end.  Forget the trolls.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 23:15 | 1859461 nah
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 20:33 | 1858938 Freewheelin Franklin
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But you want real change? Real freedom from those who would impoverish and abuse you for their own benefit? Well, if you’ve been reading my stuff for very long or thinking for yourself since you escaped the government propaganda camps, you know exactly where to find it. If you don’t, then here’s the Big Clue:


YOU are the one thing that government and their Siamese twins in the financial world can’t manipulate, can’t “reform,” can’t control. Your independent mind and your intelligent desire to live separately from their concepts are the most powerful freaking weapons in the whole wide world.


Can government and their incestuous siblings in power really, truly eff up your world? Oh my. It’s the one thing they’re absolutely great at. We always have to work around the damnable things they do, and it gets harder by the day.


But that won’t change if we do them the honor of throwing ourselves at them in protest. That just tells them we believe in their authority.


You want a real freedom revolution? Then go inside your own head and demand that you free you. Heavens, the influence you can have there! The change you can spark! It’s awesome.


You can just go in there and tell your ownself what it needs to do to be more free — and it happens. No v*ting, no protesting, no petitioning, no lawmaking required.


Do the details get complicated? Of course. That’s the nature of the real world. Will outside influences always try to keep you from thinking and living free? Yes. Does individual freedom (as opposed to the eternally elusive ideal of political freedom) require hard, sometimes frustrating, work? Do bears sh*t in the woods politicians sh*t on reality?


Yes, what’s ahead of us is difficult. But it’s difficult no matter what we do — whether we hang our heads and comply, whether we v*te, whether we protest in the streets — or whether we build a homestead, build our skills, build a Good Bad Attitude and establish a freedom bulkhead in an unfree world.


The question is, are you going to give your mind and your life to outsiders, hoping those outsiders — who fundamentally don’t give a damn whether you live or die — will eventually change in your favor? Or are you going to give your mind and your life to you, your ownself — to do with as you think best?




I've been diggin on some Claire Wolfe recently


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 21:48 | 1859173 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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die gedanken sind frei

Wed, 11/09/2011 - 00:50 | 1859633 JPM Hater001
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We should be together. You are my perfect twin. We are like...made from the same cloth.
Both 41... Tell me you are a Sagittarius

Wed, 11/09/2011 - 07:29 | 1860001 AldousHuxley
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you should be worried because top 400 richest will now go after top 1.5 to 0.1% high wage fatcats...they are done with blue collar, they outsourced white collar, they will go after gold collar....


Plus you have kidS. Unless they have a massive trust fund, their future will be in ruins.

Wed, 11/09/2011 - 08:24 | 1860104 russki standart
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Hambone, thank you for a most eloquent rant.....wish I could have said it so well.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 17:58 | 1858433 ffart
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Wait what, did the article say that you can cancel a trade if it turns out to be worthless?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:01 | 1858445 Lady Heather...UNCLE
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How big a donor (political) is this prick?  That alone decides his fate

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:03 | 1858451 Godisanhftbot
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  Mr P runs a very tight ship, unlike Corswine. If he's a prick, then the list of non-pricks is very short indeed, and YOU might not be on it.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 19:40 | 1858793 defencev
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Interactive brokers is probably the best brokerage in US. Provide access to a number of international markets and currencies.

I am pretty sure that all allegations against P. will prove to be total bullshit (and face it: a lot of bullshit is posted on this website).

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 20:12 | 1858890 DeeDeeTwo
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Peterrfly is the best of a rotten bunch. But even Good Guys need a mansion on a hill with 23 bathrooms, baby.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:01 | 1858446 Godisanhftbot
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 Guess Mr P didnt realize Corswine was a complete miscreant.

 I suspect any buying came well before any takeover was contemplated.

 Mr. P does not need the money so badly, and this is a drop in the bucket. You will be financing much of the loss through a tax loss deduction, so Mr P thanks you.



Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:08 | 1858475 jcaz
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"drop in the bucket, don't need the money..."

Yeah, that's what RajRaj said, too.....

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:40 | 1858574 MissCellany
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Guess Mr P didnt realize Corswine was a complete miscreant.

Hey, now, don't you go hatin' on MsCreant like that!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 19:02 | 1858656 rubyruffruff
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huh???? mr. p???? u an ib employee or drank 2 much of the horse urine koolaid.....if the charitable mr. p didn't need the money then why the fk did he move on 8mil. shares for the pa acct jerko......more benevolence from the good ppl at ib????......as for the drop in the bucket statement.......did tht whacky bitch martha stewart go 2 jail for few hundred thousand?????....peterffy's greed was the driver for his purchase.........ur good buddy mr. p was trying 2 jack....mmmmm.....let's say $10 if he avg'd in arnd $5 a share.....so if 80 mil is sumthing u and  mr. p does really need

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 19:02 | 1858657 rubyruffruff
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huh???? mr. p???? u an ib employee or drank 2 much of the horse urine koolaid.....if the charitable mr. p didn't need the money then why the fk did he move on 8mil. shares for the pa acct jerko......more benevolence from the good ppl at ib????......as for the drop in the bucket statement.......did tht whacky bitch martha stewart go 2 jail for few hundred thousand?????....peterffy's greed was the driver for his purchase.........ur good buddy mr. p was trying 2 jack....mmmmm.....let's say $10 if he avg'd in arnd $5 a share.....so if 80 mil is sumthing u and  mr. p does really need

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:02 | 1858448 lizzy36
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Well MF global did pay bonuses in the US and the UK hours before it filed for bankruptcy (confirmed by the WSJ). 

So really all parties involved continue with business as usual. 

The only thing these markets have locked in is MORAL HAZARD.

Now chase that rally.....rainbows and unicorns, baby!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:07 | 1858470 Panafrican Funk...
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:23 | 1858521 GoldmanSux
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Really? I didn't see that. That is fraudulent conveance.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 19:21 | 1858738 Blano
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Aren't those therefore clawbackable??  (I know that's not a real word)

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 22:30 | 1859335 RiverRoad
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If you can pay yourself a bonus before filing for bankruptcy why can't cha write a book after payin' for yo' crime????

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:03 | 1858453 JPM Hater001
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LOL...for a second there I thought they were going to let one of the 1%fail.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:03 | 1858454 Zola
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Of course the SEC will look into it , after all isnt the SEC : Slumbering Extremely Concerned ??

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:04 | 1858458 Dr. Engali
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If an insider commits a blatant act of fraud inside the SEC .. Will anybody hear it?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:05 | 1858460 jekyll island
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Wouldn't it be poetic justice if he went to jail for insider trading on a trade that lost him millions?  Snowball's chance in hell of that happening. 



Tue, 11/08/2011 - 20:20 | 1858911 Rainman
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...mighta been his short hedge pocket money...always look for the other side with the bilzonaires

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:05 | 1858462 mayhem_korner
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Randolph and Mortimer strike again!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:06 | 1858465 jcaz
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Eh, lose this one, don't go to jail-  of course he won't bitch too much, lol.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:08 | 1858477 tasmandevil
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All he did was buy the effing dip..

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:11 | 1858483 HedgeAccordingly
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:31 | 1858553 tasmandevil
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most assuredly, your honor

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