Did They Just Shut Down The Government AGAIN? Continuing Resolution Vote Fails
Luckily the US has everything else in order, which is why it can afford to shut down the government... Again. Per Bloomberg:
- HOUSE REJECTS BILL CONTAINING DISASTER RELIEF AID
- REPUBLICAN DEFECTIONS LEAD TO DEFEAT OF BUDGET BILL
- SPENDING BILL NEEDED TO FUND GOVERNMENT PAST SEPT. 30
- REPUBLICANS OBJECTED TO OVERALL COST OF SPENDING BILL
Yep, looks like it: From Reuters:
A bill that would fund the U.S. government past Sept. 30 unexpectedly failed in the House of Representatives on Wednesday as dozens of Republicans broke with party leaders and Democrats objected to a cut to an electric-vehicle program. The measure failed by a vote of 195 to 230.
From CNN: House fails to pass continuing resolution
In a major blow to the Republican leadership, the U.S. House on Wednesday defeated a temporary spending measure that would have required spending cuts to offset additional money for federal disaster relief efforts.
From Bloomberg: Republican Defections Defeat Bill Containing Disaster Relief Aid
The U.S. House rejected a bill that includes $3.65 billion in aid to victims of Hurricane Irene and other natural disasters, a setback for Republican leaders controlling the chamber.
Some Republican lawmakers objected to the measure’s overall cost and House Democrats opposed a spending cut in it, leading to the bill’s defeat.
The vote against the bill was 230-195.
The dispute raises the specter of a government shutdown because the disaster assistance is attached to a measure needed to fund the government until Nov. 18. The current fiscal year ends Sept. 30, and Congress is in recess next week.
And Bernanke hopes to pass fiscal stimulus in this climate?
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Now, please, NOBODY plug it back in to the outlet.
I'll second that!
Here Hair!
Close that fucker down.
Do a Belgium.
Those people Do Not Need More Money To Spend, they Need to Spend Less.
God Bless the Sane!
(He takes care of small childern and drunks. The rest must fend for themselves, meaning tough decisions at times like these.)
Shutting down the government would result in the biggest economic boom, surge in job creation, and period of real wealth creation that the nation has ever experienced in its history.
Shutting down the Federal Reserve, preferably with arrests of Banksters for Treason, would be icing on the cake.
Bread and Circuses.
Except that congress is the circus and they're giving all the bread to the Tribe.
PULL THE GOVERNMENT
http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/a-sound-jobs-plan-pull-the-federal-government/
You mean they want to cut the program that hands China our electric car technology? Now the Chinese will have to work to steal it, aka "Los Alamos parlay".
Geez, just what is this world coming to?
That wasn't theft really, It was the Clinton Fairness Doctrine of leveling the field. He put Richardson in charge of the nuclear braintrust... come on!
Dont forget Al Gore rounds out the brain trust with his bhudist spiritualness. You have to have spirit if you have the initiative to invent the internet, advocate cap and trade, and at the same time run HVAC on a private home that MTV cribs would love to showcase.
It would be clever sabotage on our part to give it to them.
MUST WATCH... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq2pGd9ViUM
It would result in Mad Max until local strongmen arose, after that China in the 1920's with a dose of "The Postman" thrown in....
Hey, but I am all for arresting a few bankers for treason....
Why Mad Max, my local and State Government are running just fine. What do we need the Feds for again? I like how Texas does it. The Congress meets once every 2 years for 6 weeks. That's almost 6 weeks to many, but a great place to start.
Lets see how a few brass hats act when they aren't "needed" anymore. Or when some state decides a pipeline should be paying higher tolls....
The government shut down under Reagan and everyone just went about their business.
Yeah, how many SS checks were missed? How long till the 46 million on Food stamps start to get "restless"...
a f-instant
Who gives a fuck, they can find employment during all of that spare time they were using to collect welfare. If they get out of hand, just shoot the useless bastards.
Took the words out of my mouth.
Who gives a fuck
Don't shoot them. Let them sell chick lets like the Mexican girls at the border
Actually they would probably find employment by puting a bullet in your brainpan to get your wallet. Be careful what you ask for!
True dat! There is no employment. I was at a job fair where there were no decent employers and I was BS'ing with a guy who was trying to come up with a scheme to rob people at the casino! And, for the gun toting morons on here, I don't think your attacker will announce his arrival! Good luck to all!
If you were goofing off at a job fair and hanging out with this maniac, who was talking loudly about robbing and killing people, I think I may have figured out why you're having a hard time finding a job...
employment WHERE?
Then I suggest you start with people like me.
I had to finally come to the conclusion a couple years ago that, in fact, they were giving me a check so I didn't go off somebody in a rage.
"Yeah, how many SS checks were missed? How long till the 46 million on Food stamps start to get "restless"..."
So is it blackmail or extortion?
Yes... it is a just a plot to make *your* life a living hell...
Jeezus... just get over it and move on.
"Jeezus... just get over it and move on."
lol...my life or nanny-statism? ;-)
Your life.... SS and Food Stamps are the least of your problems with the gubbmint....
Both.
Flakmeister...
"The Postman".....the book by David Brin or the movie with Kevin Costner?
The movie..... yeah, I know, but there has be something else besides Mad Max
Who needs a movie? This shit is as real as it gets!
Actually, Mad Max may be more realistic if Peak Oil plays out.
The Postman doesn't work because the Postal Service will implode long before the collapse. :)
And Kevn Costner will be too busy growing gills and surfing Water World to bother with ressurrecting the Postal system.
http://www.fcnp.com/commentary/national/10158-the-peak-oil-crisis-the-german-army-report.html
hmm...US consumption at 1997 levels and the tards around here still think it's a monetary problem or that we can just dig up more oil lol.
We are IN the peak oil crisis. It's as plain as day and "sustained global recession" is the precise verbiage I used to describe the outcome of it.
Welcome back nuclear lol
The plot hole was that if people were starting to evolve gills, the world was about to become a paradise again. Dry land, or no.
What? No 'Water World'?
Now that's some funny shit right there !
Yeah.... Florida in about 100 years :)
Ah, yes! The old fashion SHIT AND FAN PROBLEM. I smell change in the air.....
Ja Wohl! Mein Fuhrer!
You've got that backward, Sunshine. Shut down the Fed FIRST (and replace fiat with commodity money), and you've just castrated the government. Two nuts with one stone.
Not unless you castrate the military, nsa, cia, fbi, dhs, batfe, cbp, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.......
shut down the MASS MEDIA as well, because they continue to brainwash majority of the population... the current mass media is part (probably the most important) of the elite's agenda.
I'd be psyched to see a complete gummit shutdown, but the 60 million or so Americans who are completely dependent on their "civil unrest" subsidies might be kinda pissed.
Aw, hell, it's probably more than 60 million.
I don't think it'd make sense to call the outcome an economic boom.
You'd best start shooting with me, then. People with nothing to lose lose _it_.
ROTFL...no it wouldn't. The government and its debt IS the economy now.
I'm sorry to say, shutting down the gov't doesn't do anything to cut spending. Use yourself as a (not identical) analogy. If you stop working, do the bills stop? Ya still gotta pay the mortgage, the electricity, the grocery bills, etc.
There may be some people who don't get paid with a shutdown, but they get backpay when the federal government reopens. And whether you like or not, it will reopen.
We've got a broken Congress, we have a 7-3 Fed soon going to 5-5 therefore a broken Fed, a broken Presidency, a broken EU, and it is fair to say a broken consumptive model that gives capitalism a black eye, all being run through a broken financial system jimmied up on inflated books that don't mark assets to market.
Where to start?
A new super simple tax code - junk all the deducations and lower tax rates across the board. A progressive flat tax would be nice. Elections not funded by organizations like unions, corporations, or PACs. Media that investigates, researches and reports - not entertaining jingoism. Add to the list as you like. There is much to be done.
Take money creation away from the banks & fed & give it to the "free market" (more or less). Why not? The "free market" does a great job of producing everything else. And will do much, much better when the guvmunt gets out of the way.
You forgot 501c "charities." in 1996 when Dole went against Clinton. The MSM demonized Nader for being a progressive and having a 1 Million Dollar net worth. Meanwhile Hillary was going to stay active with her law practice and Elizabeth dole was running the red cross with 1 million dollar yearly salary. Now that Hillary is SOS, Bill is running every 501c he can whether they wear a blue dress or not.
Rut Roe Ralph, you are too greedy.
They can keep the charities, just no deduction for contributions to it. People are rewarded by doing good things. Don't need a tax deduction for motivation, otherwise, it isn't "charity". It has become so absurd. Donate a painting to a museum and deduct that for years, meanwhile offsetting it's value against income in reduced taxes (due to the charitable contribution) doesn't pay for armed forces, police, education for children or elements that we do expect government to deliver via our taxes. And those contibutors usually have a nice plaque placed for the public to gush over too.
Same for churches and places of worship. Absolutely, they should exist. But they don't warrant special tax treatment. Should pay taxes just like an athletic club, a bar, or a drycleaning shop.
charities = secret subsidy
When profit margin growth is < tax savings from non-profit status you are misallocating too much wealth into charities.
How about junking the corp income tax and implementing a flat tax on revenue? Would put a lot of tax accountants out of work, but along with a progressive flat personal income tax, would slash the IRS payroll in half. Then a new small business would be able to cut overhead dramatically. If we could only simplify healthcare, you could actually start a business in this country!
We left 'progressive' when you added the word tax. Nations were progressive when the control of the money supply wasn't in private hands. Jefferson outright stated it - if the money supply were to move to banker hands, we would have the outcome we have now. You want progressive, past leaders that supported the right to keep what you earn... they were the progressive ones.
Yah right, and the next day after the flat tax is implemented the army of lobbyists would start in and in six months we would have a flat tax with humongous tax loopholes for the big corporations and the rich and powerful.
Wake up bozo!!
Well, you can't blame a guy for dreaming!! But seriously, I like the idea of the tax code not being longer than the constitution.
A progressive flat tax would be nice.
What in the world is a progressive flat tax? It seems like an oxymoron to me.
No deductions, just a flat tax on income, graduated according to income level. IOW, maybe 1 percent on all income under $40,000, 5 percent thereafter to 10 percent on all income over a million. And I would tax everyone, even if it's only $10 on a $10,000 income. That way everyone would have skin in the game.
Well said. What I meant by the term and the way I envision it too. Everybody pays something in. All income is the same - whether earned with wages, investment produced with dividends, or something you buy for $1 and sell for $2. All income. All taxed at a rate that increases with wealth, but is almost universally lower than the rates paid by current taxpayers. And bonus point - people can actually understand the formula, and plan accordingly.
Why have a tax on wages to begin with? Nothing but slavery rewrapped.
And if we had your perfect system, when it eventually returns to the oligarchy that we have now, then what?
If debt money is issued with interest, we will always be slaves.
Why fight for a better prison?
Your silly idea is just a different flavor of Legalized Plunder.
pods
Slaves don't get paid.
Serfs, on the other hand, only owed about 20% of their labor to TPTWere.
So we are like Slarfs, or something.
Historically slaves have been paid in the past 5000 years. It wasn't until the invent of Chattel Slavery that slaves were outright owned and never compensated.
You'd think you'd use that GI bill instead staying an uneducated moron.
Really?
When was Chattel slavery "invented?"
You know, the very first instance.
And do you think it is intellectually honest of you to take my present tense sentence and insult me because you can think of an exception sometime in the last 5000 years?
"All taxed at a rate that increases with wealth..."
Wealth or income?
that's not a flat tax, dipshit, it's a progressive tax and what we already have.
dup
dithch the dem/rep political system while you're at it, bought and paid for by the wanksters
...that ''outlet'', labor, unplugged? Did you buy sell or trade based on labor not showing up for a negative rate of return today? Sheeeit. Has Tiny Turbo Tim paid for the last blackout yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naSPSTZsHYA
Tis the Moon ...Bitchez http://bible.cc/john/9-4.htm
The capital of the Capitol is nothing but an expanding contraction ...of the black hole. The darkness remains charged by the strong delusion of labor, aborted in the belly of the Whore of Hussein, as she rides this corrupt pathetic self devouring market Beast ...Bitchez. http://bible.cc/revelation/12-4.htm
To Hell with this government (and all the nations which have consumed the wine of wrath in Chairsatan's BTFD Cup of Fornication) and it's Sodomite Department of Offense. It is time for it's own judgment call to come. It has aborted the Constitution, life, independence etc... The call of the fallen rules this pathetic country, and the ''change'' to come upon it, as with those whom have fallen to serve this country, is the second death. Fear not, sudden destruction shall come upon the land, which is now moved to be delivered. The shit storm is risen and the whirlwinds are already blowing. Only the blind in spirit do not realize the call of the ecclesia.
Maybe we could surround the outlet with land mines.
Let me translate that for you:
Republicans object that their pork projects were not well represented in the budget.
Welcome new guy (fyrebird)...just so you know...at least from what I have observed...people on this board tend to think ALL politicians are full of shit.
So please...take your side picking shill ass somewhere else. (Grats on your 8th week)
That is all...Thank You
The only politicians I care about are: Obama, Ron Paul, Huntsman, And Cain.
Every single one of them proffers the idea of sound money and/or a simpler tax code (which would force people to like the idea of sound money)
does this make me a side picking shill ass?
You know that old sales phrase "That guy could sell ice to an Eskimo!" You = the Eskimo.
Thank you for acknowleging my polish heritage.
more walrus
less ice..
wtf Obama?!?
Yeah I was kinda wondering that myself.
SS check comes from Odumber. That's gotta be it.
And yes, ALL politicians are nothing but a bunch of self serving idiots. Maxine Waters bringing up the race card while grilling Benocide on TARP recipients wins.
Good little republicans send thier kids to LLM Tax School. Just Like Bachman.
Good little democrats send thier kids to community organizer school (a.k.a. constitutional law, a.k.a. interstate commerce clause)
In our two party gladitorial system, the only way we regain any liberties whatsoever is when one side accidentially does irreversable damage to the other side. Did any of you watch the teleprompters speach on monday? He said snarc: "the tax code for individuals, if printed out, is 5 foot high. Thats taller than my shorties! and they are smarter than warren buffet."
But seriously, what do you think the federal government does? There has not been a declaration of war since 1941. The civil rights acts were in 1964/5. NEA died in the 1970s. Everything since then is tax code/interstate commerce, and appointments to federal agencies.
No, no fuu fuu. His name is Barack, not WTF?!?
Or maybe we're confusing WTF with his uncle's cousin 3rd time removed from the darkest inner reaches of the South Bronx, Boston or whereeverthefuckit was that he's been hiding out in since the federalies sent him a deportation order before he go his SS number, driver's license, passport, unemployment checks and medicare card. Is that the same one?
I'm confused
me too
"I'm confused"
So's the AP... FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?"Warren Buffett's secretary shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. There is no justification for it," Obama said as he announced his deficit-reduction plan this week. "It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million."
On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.
In his White House address on Monday, Obama called on Congress to increase taxes by $1.5 trillion as part of a 10-year deficit reduction package totaling more than $3 trillion. He proposed that Congress overhaul the tax code and impose what he called the "Buffett rule," named for the billionaire investor."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iP3lhS4ZQ-UhyUvFfUgdPCiu-jJA?docId=47a565563a294b2bad96544a7f0ddc1b
Look for the AP to show up on AttackWatch very soon...lol.
Robslob - Please be kind to the newbies, (unawakened, still learning), unless of course they are trolls.
Welcome, fryebird. Good luck here.
ReallySparky...Sorry, whenever stawcks go down hard I get Irritable Bowel Syndrome
Your dog is really fucking ugly...or is that your pic?
Grats on making it 2 years here...you must not be a side picking shill.
PS All politicians are fucking liars....so why choose a side?
Yay. Everyone suck the new guys dick because he has an opinion.
People who align themselves with a "party" missed the boat a long ass time ago and probably still think their vote counts.
Share your opinion even if people disagree with you... and that's what it's all about (think Madden)
Peace love and harmony.
Welcome to ZH.
"Think and talk like the group and express only group-sanctioned thoughts, or get out?"
Yep. Typical ZH asshole group-think.
people on this board tend to think ALL politicians are full of shit
Group think is dangerous.
Criticizing the Republicans does not mean that he is endorsing the Democrats.
Congress has just voted to shut down the whole government on October 1 and they are planning on taking next week off. I think they should all be required to surrender their passports before leaving the building.
Why? I think they should shut it down and go on a nice long vacation for like a year. Keep the passports, let them go somewhere far far away. Let some other third world shit hole deal with their self-serving bullshit.