The Diplomatic War Between France And Britain Goes To DefCon 2
With Europe in desperate need of some entertainment in advance of what looks set to be a sad holiday season, the UK and Britain are willing to oblige. In a spat that hit fever pitch after (the ECB's!) Christian Noyer said two days ago that it was Britain that should be downgraded, not France, we have just had the first two blank ICBMs lobbed at opposing territory. As the BBC's Hugh Pym reports, Deputy PM Nick Clegg, calling in from Rio (unclear if he was there battling the imminent invasion of unhacked US drones following the pseudo act of war on behalf of Brazil telling Chevron to go to hell) tells French PM "recent remarks from members of the French government about the UK economy were simply unacceptable." Clegg comments follow French Finance Minister Baroin saying "economic situation in Great Britain is very worrying...." And so the childishness escalates more, pushing Europe even further into crisis instead of someone doing something about fixing the only thing that can possibly help the insolvent world: starting preparations for a global restructuring. As for the idiotic pissing contest between the two countries with epic chips on their shoulders, the final appropriate outcome would be Moodys and S&P coming out and downgrading them both to junk, and even that would be optimistic.
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Merry Fuckin Bankrupt Christmas!
Strange twist is that the Windsors are actually the Saxe-Coburg Gothas. A germanic dynasty. Many twists to this un-Holy Roman/Franco/Prussian tale. Wheels within wheels... the change to the Windsors was only after WWI.
ori
/this-that-and-the-4th-reich/
an $80M wedding....some money there.
Rothschild bought a barony from them...a few of them
Right. One cannot downgrade France w/out downgrading a whole bunch of countries, including Britain. That'll be fun to watch as we went all cash again as of yesterday... ;-)
Dear He Who Carried sh1t for brains
Newsflash - Britain is not in the Eurozone
France is being downgraded because Eurozone fiscal union means they are on the hook for the debts of Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Spain and all the other free spend lemmings.
Britain is only responsible for its own debt and will slowly print and devalue the GBP for two decades until it is all paid back so at the moment is not being downgraded.
Sarkozy is woefully unpopular and up for re-election in the spring, so bashing the Brits is a useful tactic to divert attention from the fact that there is no Union in Europe.
The treaty of 26 is a massive power grab by the very idiots that created this mess in the first place and Merkel should be seen as the architect of the Fourth Reich and Sarkozy as her Vichy lap dog.
History will see Sarkozy follow Jacques Chirac into ignominy when he is thrown in the Bastille after leaving office.
Britain is an extremely wealthy country. Our Queen is the largest landowner in the world, by quite some distance. They say Qaddafi was worth $200 billion, well I'd say Lizzie is worth at least $200 trillion. Shame her assets are not distributed more evenly...
Such is neo-feudalism.
"Britain is an extremely wealthy Country" what a joke! All the colonies are gone. The slave and drug trade money spent........ Dream on!
"Britain is an extremely wealthy Country" what a joke! All the colonies are gone. The slave and drug trade money spent........ Dream on!
The best line in the US constitution: No titles of nobility.
The markets will ultimately decide. The more important issue here is that we have no leadership. That senior officials of ANY country engage in such puerile behaviour so as to divert attention from a total lack of any substantive solutions to problems closer to home is very sad and a very poor reflection on the "Quality" of leadership in today's world.
Wedding was paid for by taxpayers. Must be nice.
Quite true, quite true. Thanks again for being a light of truth and honesty in our current times, ORI.
"The only people who mock and ridicule those who understand history are those who do not." - Tsar Pointless
:-) Well said Tsar Pointless. That is a quotable qote.
ori
How are things in Conspiracy City?
I don't know.
Tell me - what does sand feel like when your head is buried deep within it?
I'd add happy PM shopping
The SALE is on.
Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Cupid, Comet and VIX
remember earlier this year when the pommys decided to slash their defence budget and axe a lot of current programmes and hardware ... and suggested the idea of off-setting the capability downsizing via joint sovereign ownership and operation of capital ships ... with the french ...
That would have went well ... not
Stupid and childish French behaviour.
Perhaps French voters should take a look at this story. It might help them to make up their minds in the Presidential Elections in April.
Dwarves are too Expensive!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/8958330/Dwarves-axed-from-panto-as-too-expensive.html
lock them in a room an let them out only when they have built a new Condorde or something similar - who knows, perhaps a new financial product?
and no dinner until they have invaded a new country together in a brotherly manner!
Pfff..smoke a fag
Whats French for misdirection?
CNBC is reporting that a France downgrade would be bad for everyone. So with that being said maybe we should let them be. CNBC is looking out for us. We need to listen.
Bonus points for subtlety.
The dissolution and isolation begin.
The only outcome will be a reversion to national interests and currencies.
What's so wrong with hard-fought for nation states, the ability to elect ones own leaders, parliamentary limitations, your own constitution and free-trade? Why do the continental Europeans want to destroy what their forebears "fought" (caveat US / Canada / UK + empire / ANZAC / USSR fought..) for and build a supranational empire based upon Belgian socialist ideals? They're sleepwalking into a quagmire of unrest and unemployment and irrelevance.
Good luck fucktards. You deserve everything that's coming at you. Ultimately the continental electorates are to blame for their own woes. Oh and Goldman Sachs.
Otherwise, Merry Bankruptcy everyone!
Good. The smaller and less powerful the state, the better. Maybe someday we'll all be our own states, population = 1 (a guy can dream). I've already got my currency picked out.
I fart in your general direction... LOLOLOLOL.
Your mother was a hamster and your father smells like elderberries.....
beat us to it!
J'accuse !!!!!!
where tf is zola when you need him?
the only thing the british are good for!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cx-DyxXyLNs
let's be fair, that waffling posturing worthless French cock, Not-achieved-anything-at-all Sarkozy, is a heavyweight on the global stage of political windbags
but he's met his match in the snotty socialist public school boy, David Camer-moron. Our PM likes nothing better than the sound of his own voice and to bore 28 journalists silly from behind a pulpit twice a week putting the world to rights with all the wrong policies
the public will wake up one day soon and realise the non-stop hot air coming from No.10 and that their British Prime Minister for the past 4 years is nothing more substantive than a hair dryer
I am told by friends that at social gatherings, Cameron is an insufferable know all. That there is no subject on which he is not absolutely ready to pronounce his knowledge, wisdom and expertise.
And these friends are well used to moving among the connected and concieted, but apparently the PM is in a class of his own when it comes to bare faced arrogance and social boorishness.
But Fuck the French too.
This reminded me that Bob Woodward said something similar about having to sit next to Al "The Big Bore" Gore at dinner parties.
"It is wrong to be French." Ironhead Haynes Commandment from "Married with Children", as spoken by Al Bundy.
Cameron went to boys school with Natty "Ice" Rotheschild, what do you expect?
Better. Do watch the whole 7 minutes and change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh56geU0X8&feature=player_embedded
Defcon 2 = cocked pistol (?) Too long ago to remember.
What a dummy. According to google DF2 is Fast Pace.
It's been 70 years since the Brits sunk the French Fleet in their harbor, time to do it again!
"It's been 70 years since the Brits sunk the French Fleet in their harbor, time to do it again!"
I think they sank it in Africa for fear that the French will turn the ships over to Germany after they marched through Paris. Cocky French admiral decided to fight off the British rather than surrender the fleet. The British admiral sent a captain (or some other lower rank messenger) which infuriated the French Admiral. He ordered the cannons to point at the British. The British sank the French Fleet, while still at port, which could have aided the war effort. Even tough the Germans were the enemy, they decided to fight for nothing more than pride and fear.
It just goes to show you that when the chips are down the French and British much rather duke it out than help each other. History repeating itself over and over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_French_Fleet_at_Mers-el-Kebir
Classic.
French Taunter - YouTube
+1 anything Monty Python.
This Monty Python skit just keeps getting more relevant by the day!!!!!!!!!
+1 love it - clearly a good example of unprovoked English Aggression, thankfully the glorious arms of France prevailed
HAHAHA, DefCon2 ? Read this: UK rejoins talks over new EU treaty. That´s what called an own goal.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uk-rejoins-talks-over-new-eu-treaty-201...
face france and give them the agincourt 2 fingered salute. up yours delors!
Nuclear aircraft carrier jousts in the Channel--loser gets rated junk. Winner gets AA-.
Britain ain't got one...TRIOMPHE LE FRANCE
Neither did the VietCong.
Guess who got their asses beat to a pulp in the Bataille de Diên Biên Phu.
French fucktards:
Zut alors!!
The British knew better than to fight... they simply walked away from the "Jewel of the Empire"
is that you, peter sellers?
hey, flak, is this a re-make of a tale of two cities?
L0L!!! DSK's imprisonment and release...banksters...georges danton...madame lafarge knitting away...heads getting rrrready to rrrrooollll...linkBiCheZ
Cato! Is that you my little yellow friend?
No....more like Crime and Punishment, or grunge remake of Oliver!
As an aside, how the fuck did Oliver! win the Oscar for best flick?
i am so happy to hear your voice, i kicked your doors in!
hmmm...streisand had money invested?
chat among your selves...
'LA FRANCE,' mon pote.
'France' is a feminine noun.
oui,... and it was she - that lit up the world's 'renaissance'
like I give a fuck
Actually we do have a carrier - but no carrier bourne a/c. I kid you not. The plan was that we would let the French put their fighters on our ship. Stupid idea, unless the plan was to make the French airmen walk the plank and just steal the planes.
your carrier is pathetic invincible class piece of shit. The French have the de Gaulle.
Triomphe LA France
Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick who uses Aircraft Carriers anymore; exocets and stingrays flyin and swimmin - instant artificial reef. Sure ACC's are fine for blasting the shit out of peasants but next door neighbors? The french can simply lob grenades at this distance the brits can pull the pins and lob them back - too easy
Besides when it comes to stealth weapons of mass destruction the limeys have it hands down - enter Blythe she may be a frigid brit but she can certainly stick a knife between the ribs of a financial system. Aircraft carriers..... give your heads a shake......
Britain IS a big aircraft carrier...
really? ... so how long would it take to steam through the english channel? .... I keeed
If you want range and strategic depth ... you need a continent ...preferrably one completely surrounded by ocean and no land-bridges. There are only two of those ... and one of them is covered in ice. The other one stradles the junction of three oceans.
in the summer France and Britain agreed to share Aircraft Carriers to enable defence cuts -its going to be interesting how this works out .
so what! the US and iran are sharing drones!!!
Take turns using the flight deck? Raid one country and then the other? Crews get drunk together in Holland between sorties? Tricksters push the other sides planes off the elevators and other practical jokes...
You don't frighten us you silly English pig dogs....
DOG BITES DOG....
Check out this video capturing a dispute between Sarkozy and Cameron after the last summit meeting....when Sarkozy takes off his shirt it gets really interesting! just 37 seconds, but very thought provoking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUrj_D13_Y
Childishness?
This tirade reminds me of a mother confronted by a recalcitrant child’s accusation against an innocent sibling and solving the problem quickly by punishing them both. By all appearances, Britain acted in her own interests, as well she should, in an age of criminal bank fraud sweeping the continent. So to stir up ill will and to try and pass the buck, France decides to accuse Britain of not wanting to take part in the crime game and the author simplifies the event by blaming everybody! IMO, Cameron is a hero.
Could it be that the interpretation of “someone doing something about fixing the only thing that can possibly help the insolvent world” means Britain giving up sovereignty and increases her taxes in order to pay for continental crimes?
And, specifically, what is meant by “global restructuring?” How about sovereign restructuring?
Cameron might be a hero, or not, it was still unusual bad diplomacy from UK's side.
I think Maggie Tatcher would have handled it better without leaving the table.
Perhaps Mr. Cameron needs a handbag as negotiating tool?
David Cameron's finest hour | Pat Buchanan 12.12.2011
Prime Minister David Cameron's decision to veto Germany's demand for a new European fiscal union will define his premiership.
More than that, Cameron has raised a banner for patriots everywhere fighting to retain their national independence.
With his no vote on fiscal union, Cameron declared to the EU: "British surrenders of sovereignty come to an end here. And Britain will deny Brussels any oversight authority of any national budgets or any right to sanction EU members." …
And while he may have been unaware of the firestorm that would follow his decision, Cameron has exposed the backroom game that is going on in Europe. The Germans have seized on the crisis caused by the fiscal promiscuity of Club Med – Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal – to effect a giant leap forward into European fiscal and political union. …
Cameron may seem isolated, but he speaks for tens of millions outside Britain – Italians, Greeks and others fed up with the imposed austerity, North Europeans fed up with having to bail out Club Med deadbeats who do not work as hard or as long.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=376961
With his no vote on fiscal union, Cameron declared to the EU: "British surrenders of sovereignty come to an end here." Because otherwise Tory party funding from the City (and PR firms fronting more discrete city/corporate interest might end too:
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/02/08/city-financing-of-the-co...
Since when did the Rothschilds give up their hopes for world government and decide to circle the wagons around the declining British Empire? IOW, we can’t control the world anymore, we can’t control Germany, we can’t control Europe, we’ll just have to settle for the declining British Empire. I don't buy it.
Has the world forgotten that J. Pierpont was the Rothschilds' man in America; fast forward to Chase, JPMorgan, the Federal Reserve, and hope for world government. The Rothschilds have been there all along and still are.
The underlaying purpose of Central banking is to supply addictive easy-money to Govt, to put the host Govts deep into debt, to Rothschild's 'pus.
The last thing they want is any system that seriously limits Govt deficits, and thus public debt growth, or a desire to mass default.
So on all counts the tribe Rothschild won't want Merkozy's new-and-improved Eurozone, but they may settle for it ... for now ... if it can even hold together for awhile longer.
This provides time so they can fester a European war from which they can generate the financial and political beast they would rather prefer, to metastasise in its place.
It may take a quarter century, or so.
It did the last time anyway.
Good points.
However, IMO, there’s nothing that the Rothschilds want more in the world than a single currency. They have their gatekeepers in place; and they are doing their negotiations through partnering with the big banks. I’m convinced they have enough leverage with Soc Gen, Deutsche and the others to proceed with the approach they want. Why would you put Mario in place if this is not true; was it the Italian patriots who did that? No, of course not. IMO, it was the Rothschild cabal, i.e., the united controlling authorities (they don't fight each other).
Your first point is well taken. The financial elites do want governments to go more and more in debt; that’s how they operate, indebtness gives them the power over kings and presidents (the old Rothschild formula), but not so much indebtness, of course, to the point that they lose the game.
At the moment, IMO, the bankers are flirting with the breakup of the euro zone, a breakup that will benefit the people and hurt the bankers – with breakup the people can return to sovereignty and self rule.
Today’s government-controlled standards of living, where a family keeps putting more and more people into the workforce, working harder and harder and getting nowhere (in fact, actual household income is on the decline), coupled with more and more and government regulations, is the exact opposite of representative government where the people elect parliamentary members to serve the people’s interests, thus,enabling them to improve their lives and social order.
Except for what the warmongering US is doing, Europe has gone through more than 60 years of peace time. So why, with improved technology, greater efficiencies for business and input, labor-saving devices, inventions, advancements in healthcare and control and eradication of disease, why is it that Europeans are struggling harder and harder to make a living? It’s because every time they attain a little bit of an edge, the criminal bankers skim off the cream - every single year. And, now, the money manipulators are going after all the milk and honey.
I think we must realise they are OK with waiting another century, if they must, to get these things.
They have proven historically to be very patient long-term planners, and their known aims may take another 250 years to get all they want in place.
'And, specifically, what is meant by “global restructuring?” How about sovereign restructuring?'
Obviously I can't speak for Tyler but I think we need something akin to a global debt jubilee from pre-biblical days. We can all poke fun but this is how wars begin. Early stages of finger pointing until someone goes too far. Be all that as it may, I have no illusions about any of this actually coming to fruition since there are never any 'soft' defaults. Default is almost always ugly and all we need is one Leeroy Jenkins and then it becomes the norm.
Leviticus 25: 9-17
Interpretation: “The Year of Jubilee was meant to be celebrated every 50 years. It included canceling all debts, freeing all slaves, and returning to its original owners all land that had been sold. There is no indication in the Bible that the Year of Jubilee was ever carried out.”
IMO, if Israel had followed this practice faithfully, they would have been a society without permanent property. Which may have been all right for Israel at the time in that they were a like-minded communal nation under one sovereign God. But it would not apply to today's populations.
I think this person reads ZH.....
http://seekingalpha.com/article/314288-who-s-the-sucker
Interesting that he artfully calls Bernanke a lying sack, without actually saying it.
Great stuff actually.
Just more evidence that the EU is a failed supranational entity and lacks democratic and moral authority to lead anybody. The central planners continue to expose themselves as unworthy petty miscreants. The idea that the collective wisdom of hundreds of millions of people is inferior to the whims of a handful of unelected supersovereign elites is medieval.
Long live the dissing.
There are a whole lot of glass houses in this stone quarry.
Very well said Quinvarius.
ori
yeah,... but, there ain't no stone crusher - so, just let me get out of the glass house before the ceiling crashes in on itself
Never get in the way of twits arguing with each other, you'll just look like an idiot. Both countries need to be bitch slapped.
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How Jeffersonian!
My daddy always said it like this:
"Never get in a pissing match with a skunk."
Two old, worn out former empires duking it out in their last days...kinda funny, isn't it.
They’re really not empires; they are representatives of people as well as business interests. And Cameron’s situation is that he has a highly educated, freedom-loving electorate to satisfy. As well, there are politicians in his coalition who are just waiting for a chance to gain seats through cutting more ties with the continent – these are parties that are growing that say we want the Muslims out, who were opposed to the tunnel, not because it would give them a chance to go to Europe easily, but they didn’t want Europe to come to them.
Would that the people of the United States had similar representation.