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As Disenchantment With Idiocy Surges, Ron Paul Support Soars

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Every legacy media and central planner's worst nightmare is slowly coming true: as the broader field of GOP candidates is rapidly dropping like US secret drones blowing up nuclear power plants in Iran, due to general idiocy, incompetence, too much baggage-ness or general reverse American Idol syndrome where Americans get tired with any given "leader" only to vote them out of the primary the following week, the one clear winner is becoming Ron Paul, who according to Public Policy Polling has seen his support soar in the past week and is now neck and neck with presidential candidate du week, Newt Gingrich. From the PPP: "There has been some major movement in the Republican Presidential race in Iowa over the last week, with what was a 9 point lead for Newt Gingrich now all the way down to a single point. Gingrich is at 22% to 21% for Paul with Mitt Romney at 16%, Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry at 9%, Rick Santorum at 8%, Jon Huntsman at 5%, and Gary Johnson at 1%."

More on this news which will be welcomed by supporters of the only person in the GOP crowd who actually deserves to be president:

Paul meanwhile has seen a big increase in his popularity from +14 (52/38) to +30 (61/31).  There are a lot of parallels between Paul's strength in Iowa and Barack Obama's in 2008- he's doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters:

 

-59% of likely voters participated in the 2008 Republican caucus and they support Gingrich 26-18.  But among the 41% of likely voters who are 'new' for 2012 Paul leads Gingrich 25-17 with Romney at 16%.  Paul is doing a good job of bringing out folks who haven't done this before.

 

-He's also very strong with young voters.  Among likely caucus goers under 45 Paul is up 30-16 on Gingrich.  With those over 45, Gingrich leads him 26-15 with Romney at 17%.

 

-Among Republicans Gingrich leads Paul 25-17. But with voters who identify as Democrats or independents, 21% of the electorate in a year with no action on the Democratic side, Paul leads Gingrich 34-14 with Romney at 17%.

 

Young voters, independents, and folks who haven't voted in caucuses before is an unusual coalition for a Republican candidate...the big question is whether these folks will really come out and vote...if they do, we could be in for a big upset.

And if Paul can sustain the surge in momentum from Iowa, he may we have a chance to take New Hampshire where Romney still has a modest lead according to Rasmussen:

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney remains on top of the New Hampshire Republican Primary field, but the race for second place between Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul is a lot closer than it was just two weeks ago.

 

The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary Voters shows Romney with 33% of the vote, followed by Gingrich at 22%. Paul now picks up 18% support, his best showing in the Granite State so far. Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman comes in fourth with 10% of the vote, with no other candidate reaching double digits. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

 

Support for Romney, Gingrich and Huntsman is little changed from the previous survey, but Paul has now closed the 10-point gap between him and Gingrich to just four points. 

Luckily, there still is more than enough opportunity for the other candidates' broad stupidity to shine through, which will benefit only one of the candidates. Furthermore, should the global economy collapse and the Fed proceed with doing the only thing he knows how to do, and as a result focus the broader population's attention even more on monetary policy, there will be only one winner: the one who has made the Fed his nemesis not only during this presidential election cycle, but his entire career.

We wish him all the best.

h/t John

 

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Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:11 | 1975715 GeneMarchbanks
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Ron Paul makes sense!

 

 

 

Bitchez!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:12 | 1975723 HedgeAccordingly
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Scotch anyone? -  ~ http://hedge.ly/gFWVSm

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:14 | 1975740 transaccountin
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but the gobbel's propaganda ministry on the airwaves says ron paul does not matter. the 2 affair fat ass is in the lead because he asked god to forgive him. what a role model!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:22 | 1975798 economics1996
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If Paul would just fuck some whores and be pro-war he could win.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:24 | 1975818 flacon
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Terry Duffy drops a bomb... LOL! He indicates his employee says that MF Global employee knew about a loan from MF Global and that Corzine was aware of the loans!

 

Watch here:

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Senate-Looks-into-MF-Global-Bankruptcy/10737426222/

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:44 | 1975959 XitSam
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wow. this may be the first productive thing to come out of a congressional hearing. ever.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:22 | 1976167 BaBaBouy
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Un Fucking Beleivable ...

 

RP Kicking Everyones Republican Butt, While  the Fucking Mainstream Media Talks more about Regis Philbin than Ron Paul!!!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:01 | 1976213 Hard1
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If there really was disenchantment with idiocy, Gringrich should get zero vote intentions in the polls and Bachmann should get a negative number.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:06 | 1976397 clymer
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The most beautiful moment of the last debate~

Rick Perry thanks Ron Paul for shedding light on the true nature of the private federal reserve and plugs Jim Rickards book, "currency wars".

If the establishment wasn't ready to cut bait on dim-wit Perry before, you just know that wonderful moment ended his campaign

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:09 | 1976411 wisefool
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Usable idiot. When he says texas should detach from the USA the HuffPost/NEA will let them get a away with it.

Dumb like a fox!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:43 | 1977286 grok
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fyi he doesn't say that..

anyway, this doesn't matter because voting in the current form is inherently inaccurate, if the goal is to make everyone as content as possible with the winner.  If there are 8 candidates, then every primary voter should be given 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36 points to distribute (or at least be able to rank all 8 candidates by ordered preference, such that the weightings are as I described).  Otherwise, how do we know that everyone who didn't vote for #1 or #2 would have preferred #2 over #1?  This better method of weighted multi-votes is much better, yet we never reform the current idiotic way of voting (idiotic if there are more than 2 candidates, at least).  F it.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:17 | 1977598 akak
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OK, WHAT THE FUCK???!!!

WHY was this article on Ron Paul removed from the ZeroHedge home webpage?  I have NEVER seen this done before to any other piece here!  Something is VERY fishy!

EDIT: Now it is back again.  Very odd.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:26 | 1976456 Teamtc321
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"Rick Perry thanks Ron Paul for shedding light on the true nature of the private federal reserve and plugs Jim Rickards book, "currency wars".

 

I give Perry credit for having the ball's to say it on air. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:31 | 1976470 NotApplicable
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Perry is trying to taint Paul by association to him. It's the only reason he's running.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:45 | 1977296 grok
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That's asinine.  I vote for who I want, period.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:53 | 1977332 akak
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You mean, Rick Perry is unworthy of being Ron Paul's taint?  I would agree.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:33 | 1977642 Hive Raid
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Heh.   Ron Paul bludgeons Rick Perry's taint while delivering his anchor baby spawn on the dirty blick floor of the Alamo... sweaty Perry adorned in a sombrero and serape, looks into the sun and realizes in horror that he's having his usual pre-debate nightmare. And so, in an unauthorized act of honesty, prostrates himself on live TV and kisses Ron Paul's gigantic old balls.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:46 | 1976724 High Plains Drifter
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i didn't know perry read books. i guess he does some reading inbetween gay trist with other government workers in austin.....

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:54 | 1976539 Armchair Bear
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that was GREAT!!!

my favorite part was when the slimy newt tried to defend himseld against Ron's true accusations of "serial hypocracy"...and failed...

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:13 | 1976603 SuperVillain
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not only fail but have to look at Romney, say some scum bag thing about capitalism and laugh like the douche bag he is. it's hard to believe people cant see through that shit.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:45 | 1977097 erg
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Rick Perry seems more stunted than I am able to fully give appreciation to. I'd need many degrees beyond anthropology and sociology (not that I have either one). Again the wooden, lurching, buzzard-like physical demeanor.

He's lucky to be in good stead with the local Neanderthals. The doe-eyed 1000-mile stare, The abject vapishness. I wouldn't let this creep deliver my paper.

I heard a Ron Paul interview tonight that was just awesome

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:58 | 1977143 Mr. Fix
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Link?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:24 | 1977200 erg
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http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-defense-bill-establishes-martial-law-in-america/

The venerable Ron Paul IMHO is rock-solid here. Gives me gooseflesh. You can't bullshit gooseflesh.

I realize an existing ZH/AJ dichotomy. He's full of shit. He bloviates. He broke the MIAC report. Ron Paul seems to like him.

Anyway...link upon request.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 00:10 | 1977410 jeff montanye
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i like ron paul too.  but that shit obama gave me goose flesh.  the proof is in the pudding; not the talk, the walk.  paul seems to have a much higher probability of at least trying to do what he claims because he has been saying it for decades while being both damned and ignored.  

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:23 | 1977192 YBNguy
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The ONLY other good thing Perry said was during the first debate when he stated he would leave the UN and eject it from our soil...

 

But I attribute those rare statments to be flukes as his operator hit the wrong button. All the uuuuhhhh, uhh, uuuuuhhhs is his brain stalling for commands from his handler. ;)

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:05 | 1976401 Shocker
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Its all about having a clue what is going on. Ron Paul is getting traction because people know deep down inside, something is not right at all. Too much double talk, give people the info straight

 

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Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:11 | 1976425 The Big Ching-aso
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The problem with electing any president these days is that generally what that person said during campaigning has nothing to do with what they'll do while holding office.

So it all really boils down to who would actually break the least amount of campaign promises.

    

 

 

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 00:14 | 1977423 Mr Vepr Vyatskie
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Elle Oh Elle.

If you do any amount of real research on Ron Paul, you will see that the problem you have proposed, in this particular case, is so minimal that it almost doesn't exist.

 

 

Here's a quick, easy list of Ron Paul's votes on legislation dating back to 1992.

 

http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/296/

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:12 | 1976599 whatsinaname
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for the first time today RP  got some real coverage on NPR. Maybe I have not been listening enough but atleast I got to hear his name.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:25 | 1976839 In Fed We Trust
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Ya i dont know which NPR u wear listening to but all i heard today where bits on Mitt and Newt,

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:25 | 1977201 jackinrichmond
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don't kid yourself, ron paul's campaign has been perfectly choreographed.  after 30 years of experience, you can bet that he has thought all of this through very carefully.  his campaign will peak at the perfect time - ron is executing his plan brilliantly.  tell me one mistake that he has made.

i wouldn't be surprised if ron hasn't already planned his presidential campaign leading up to his victory against barry.

god help america if he doesn't win.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:27 | 1976205 Rhone_Ranger
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Someone pinch me!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:18 | 1976430 The Big Ching-aso
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How?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:03 | 1976777 Randall Cabot
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Yep

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:42 | 1977088 BoNeSxxx
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As much as I hate to, I'll say it... 

If RP wins the general election, he won't see inauguration.

If he doesn't see inauguration, we will have a civil war (or martial law).

Either way, the road to fixing the global ponzi system isn't going to be pretty.

That said, no true statesman has ever taken a position that didn't require courage and, for that, RP has my full support.  

Godspeed Ron Paul.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 11:11 | 1978574 AE911Truth
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"will have a civil war"

Have some faith in America. Letting Bankers go bankrupt is not the end of the world.

It enables a new beginning...

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:28 | 1976461 woggie
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in other words, the command to commence looting of MF (probably to funnel to Obama campaign) had long been given.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:47 | 1977102 pavman
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There must be alot of zerohedge traffic on that site.... or CSPAN really needs more funding.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:45 | 1975968 CompassionateFascist
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Well, Paul has been sucking up to the Israelites lately...he knows what he has to do. Still won't be enough though...it'll be the noxious Gingrich, with Paul going 3P.  

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:59 | 1976062 YesWeKahn
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Every president does that to get some more votes and money support. I don't see why not.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:35 | 1976863 buyingsterling
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Junk this by supporting the big Ron Paul money bomb this Friday:

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/pages/mbpledge_teaparty_tku.html

I don't have a pot to piss in, so I sold the bucket I was using, and it's all going to RP ($400 bucket, sterling)

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:07 | 1976100 Nothing To See Here
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Gee, all he said is that they have a right to their sovereignty like every country and that the USA should be their friend, like for any country, and that the USA should not meddle with their business. You call that sucking up?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:37 | 1976273 CompassionateFascist
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Under the circumstances, I'm afraid so. Rand Paul is actually the real deal, on all issues, but by then there probably won't be a country for him to run for the President of.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:16 | 1976618 UGrev
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Worst rebuttal ever.. "I'm afraid so". Are you shitting me?  They know how to fish, damnit. Time for them to pick up the pole and catch their own. We'll back them up when/if they need it. RP has stated numerous times. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:39 | 1976285 AGuy
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if that does happen then Obama has a shot at getting relected. However, RP has made it well know that he has zero interest in running as a third party.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:53 | 1976353 CompassionateFascist
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No. Interviewed on the 3P issue by Hannity a few days ago, Paul bobbed and weaved. He'll do it.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:39 | 1976693 NidStyles
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You're just too stupid to reply intelligently to.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 02:00 | 1977673 CompassionateFascist
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U tawkin' ta' me? 119 junkers (as of 9:45 PM PST) are wrong, and I will be vindicated. It's the Grinch vs. the 'Groid, with 3P RP skimming enough (15-20%) to throw it to Obongo (@<45%) via the EC. First Tuesday in November. Then: 60 days to Ft. Sumter. Weapon up, wimps.     

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 03:39 | 1977806 GoldBricker
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I surmise that you played hookey from bible school.

"Israelites" are the 12 jewish tribes of the Old Testament. Israelis are the citizens of a small political entity in the Middle East.

Ron Paul is to the Americanites what Jeremiah was to the Israelites.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:48 | 1976732 Ragnar24
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another stark contrast with Dr. Paul is showing up on a banner ad in this very article: "Reelect Alan Grayson". I wish i was joking -- there is literally an ad asking for my contribution to the Grayson campaign. Ha!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:02 | 1976772 kinganuthin
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Thats my district.. never happen.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:04 | 1976780 kinganuthin
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funny he is asking for money though.  He went into congress very rich, and came out 2 years later discustingly rich.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:25 | 1975799 akak
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I see no possibility --- NO POSSIBILITY --- that the grossly hypocritical, politically ineffectual, former speaker of the House, Salamander Grinchgrinch, is going to be the GOP nominee.  He is and has been just a flash in the pan, as an increasingly frantic pro-status-quo political establishment keeps desperately looking for somebody, ANYBODY to prevent "He Who Shall Not Be Named" from winning the Republican nomination.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:31 | 1975869 trav7777
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I actually thought Gingrich would win the nomination when I heard he was running...something about it just struck me as probable despite the rest of the field.

The establishment wants him or Romney

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:37 | 1975900 WonderDawg
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I thought the same about Perry when he first appeared on the scene, the way the media was dry-humping him. Fortunately, he showed himself to be the complete moron that he is. I think you're right about the establishment wanting Romney, but that's his problem, he's too "establishment". Maybe Ron Paul actually has a chance. One can hope, anyway. Just hope he doesn't have some kind of unfortunate accident before or immediately after the election.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:43 | 1975956 SilverIsKing
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One major difference between Ron Paul and the others is that his support is unwavering.  His poll numbers cannot go down, they can only go up because once someone has seen the light, there's no reason to look elsewhere.

That said, have you converted one person to become a Ron Paul supporter today?  If every RP supporter converts one, RP's poll numbers double.  We don't need too many doubles to win this thing.  Let's go folks.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:03 | 1976078 CrockettAlmanac.com
Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:38 | 1976875 buyingsterling
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http://www.ronpaul2012.com/pages/mbpledge_teaparty_tku.html

 

RON PAUL MONEY BOMB THIS FRIDAY. PLEDGE NOW. WHO IS WITH ME?

 

If you pledge, tell us. I gave enough to hurt.  You don't have to say how much, just whether it was enough to hurt.

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:47 | 1976920 JPM Hater001
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This will be my 4th donation to his current campaign.

I make to much for it to hurt though.  More likely it will hurt if he isnt elected.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:48 | 1977110 BoNeSxxx
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I'm in.  And I'll keep going in until I can't.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 09:26 | 1978173 Doubleguns
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In.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:49 | 1976324 SnobGobbler
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good part of my democratic family has been swayed; almost brings a tear to my eye! RP is our last hope! we can live without the patriot act !

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:01 | 1976386 kinganuthin
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Those pure copper RP rounds at Provident metals make awesome stocking stuffers people! 

Ive been sending them out with this years christmas cards.

http://www.providentmetals.com/1-avdp-oz-999-fine-copper-coin-ron-paul-p...

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:17 | 1976813 GrinandBearit
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Nah, just use pre-1982 pennies... 95% copper.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:08 | 1976409 clymer
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SilverIsKing hit the nail on the head

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:07 | 1976579 Armchair Bear
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i just texted 20 people announcing ron paul will be our next president...

all your votes are belong to us!!!

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:42 | 1976890 smiler03
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Really good! If only I knew how to hijack those "Huge discount 85% on ..." & "From the Office of ..." type spam emails I would surely get the RP message across to the 99%.

Sincere best wishes to RP. Heck, this European almost feels like contributing :O)

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:35 | 1976860 DanDaley
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"A few honest men are better than numbers." Oliver Cromwell

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:04 | 1977156 cranky-old-geezer
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That said, have you converted one person to become a Ron Paul supporter today?

Are you crazy?

True Ron Paul supporters are NOT people "converted" by someone else. 

They "see the light" on their own. They "convert" themselves.

6000 years of religious history proves "converts" are not real. 

You can't change someone's mind.  They change their own mind, or it doesn't get changed.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:58 | 1976053 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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"Maybe Ron Paul actually has a chance."

Not with rigged voting machines counting the votes.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:02 | 1976387 Syntaxkat
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We'll be like russia's 140%

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:43 | 1976502 my puppy for prez
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IDEA:

Let's all take a pictures of the voting machine screen showing who we have selected for President.

Or maybe Anonymous could help counter the fraud!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:11 | 1976594 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Every voter should receive a randomly generated ID which could be checked against an online database showing the candidate selection associated with that ID.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:38 | 1976871 In Fed We Trust
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Ron Paul should use the new terror laws to lock up a few hundred bankers and politicians and maybe some media people
For finacial terrorism
And sense laws were put into place or dismantled to facilitate said fraud and financial terror

That would be TREASON of the highest order.
Conspiracy to committ Treason
And Racketeering, embellizement and tax evasion

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 00:21 | 1977454 jeff montanye
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perhaps you jest but ron paul has the wind at his back because more and more people want those terror laws repealed.  there are laws enough to put the banksters in jail and even without jail their organizations are insolvent.  bankruptcy and discharge await them all even if they escape incarceration.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:59 | 1976957 pointer
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I think people should have 2 voting cards - submit 1 to Diebold fraud machine, submit another to a county office.  Checks & Balances...like there should be.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:33 | 1977241 constitutionalist
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my biggest fear is that our vote DEFINETELY won't matter this year. "Ron Paul wins the popular vote, but lost the electoral votes" -says Faux News

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:39 | 1976280 el Gallinazo
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He should run with Ralph Nader as VP.  Best life insurance policy ever :-)

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:32 | 1977066 Hugh G Rection
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Nah. Ventura would be a better insurance policy.

And he should wear his backpack minigun from Predator at all times.

Ron Paul RloveUTION Bitchez!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:21 | 1976440 aVian
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the establishment needs to eat a big bag of dicks and fuck off

 

go ron paul

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:36 | 1976489 YHC-FTSE
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I don't know why Trav got so many negatives for that comment. He is right about the establishment wanting Gingrich or Romney. Unfortunately, the establishment usually gets what it wants, and if it can't, it will buy, coerce, or kill. That should be obvious to anyone.

 

People who are sick of the growing national debt, the fed, the Wall St frauds, the corporatization of American politics, the erosion of civil liberties, the endless wars, the military industrial complex, and having America's foreign policies dictated by Israel - People who are sick and tired of all these want Dr.Paul to win. I can't vote but I am one of them. Trav is merely saying the obvious that the establishment wants those fuckwits instead. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:05 | 1976570 MsCreant
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I thought the same thing. Trav did not say who he was for or not for. I thought Gingrich or Romney too. Gingrich is another crook who knows where the bodies are and he does not come off like a retard. I don't like it, but it could happen. Others have paved the way, adultry may not be a big deal any more. Romney has that plastic Obama appeal, so he could do it too (also not quite as stupid seeming as so many of the Republicans). But way out of touch in an elitist sort of way. Newt is just dumpy enough to seem "real."

I do not want either one. But it is how it looks right now.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 00:02 | 1977364 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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For all of the pretenses of power that "the people" have about "voting" for "the President", don't we all know by NOW that the President is a false carrot-on-a-stick and he is a puppet controlled by a greater, inter-administration agenda?

Ron Paul cannot enable that inter-administration agenda. Ron Paul loses.

(Unless he gets promoted to 33rd degree and willingly accepts the role and knowledge thereof.)

Gingrich, Romney, Perry, (seppuku'd) Cain, Palin, Bachmann, whatever -- these are all viable candidates in terms of the greater agenda. The GOP might just go behind closed doors after Iowa and pick one of them (Gingrich / Romney most likely), and let the mainstream media present them as the "will of the Patriotic GOP Americans" and go Police State on all dissenters, be they OWS or be Goldwater GOP. Vote-counting fraud will ensure that dissenters are the minority.

No junks for the Trav comment here.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:49 | 1976519 redbud
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Ditto. And if/when Dr. Paul wins the public confidence, the Republican party will likely NOT award him the nomination. That will be the end of them in their current incarnation. I'll vote for Dr. Paul wherever he presents himself, as neither the R or D religions suit me much. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:10 | 1977167 FlyPaper
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The "establishment" are Progressives.  Progressives are Fabian socialists with a Marxism light government-knows-better than you and "btw" we don't believe in private property.  If they aren't progressives, then they are big-government types. Hence Newt (clearly a progressive) and Romney (big-government "R") stand out.   Where Ron Paul (who got cheers in my household during the last debate) is "off" is in his foreign policy stand.  Every time the US has tried to go isolationist, we've been dragged into far more devastating conflicts.  I do appreciate the hands-off approach, but until this country is not dependent on middle-east oil, we're a player.  Period.

Although not getting the press, Santorum and Bachmann have the right principles on many points particularly when it comes to corraling government intrusion and fiscal idiocy.  Their social conservatism is not helping them with the independents.   

While we can sit on the sidelines and call everyone an idiot, one of these people is likely to be (short of an out-of-the-blue candidate) the candidate that will go up against Obama.  There's little I can say that is favorable about the current POTUS, who is just as 'entrenched' with Wall Street as any President.   Are we idiotizing everyone such that we are going to let the useless "O" have another go of it? 

So what R we going to do?   Ron Paul won't run a 3rd party candidacy, based on what he as already said.   

Maybe its time to have a party that stands for fiscal sanity and rational regulation (you know, the kind that works that we all dream about?).   My guess is a candidate that would focus on that theme would actually win.  

If it came right down to it, Romney is better than Newt (holding my nose).  

:^p

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:37 | 1977205 akak
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I agree with you on most points, but strenuously disagree with you on foreign policy, particularly your raising of the old canard about "isolationism".  You may not have happened to notice, but your supposed "isolationism" is EXACTLY the foreign policy currently pursued by basically EVERY other nation in the world --- except for the USA.  Somehow, they seem to be getting along just fine. 

And there is an EXTREME difference between so-called "isolationism", which NOBODY in the USA that I know of supports, least of all Ron Paul, and a policy of armed peace and non-aggression, i.e., non-interventionism. Today's North Korea, pre-Meiji Japan, or 19th century Tibet are examples of true isolationist regimes (for which nobody is arguing in the US political sphere), whereas non-interventionism is currently practiced by Germany, Canada, Mexico, Turkey, or almost any other current nation-state you care to name (again, except the USA). The repudiation of our current neo-imperialist foreign policy does NOT equate to "isolationism" --- that is just a strawman argument of intellectually bankrupt warmongering statists.

You cannot support both limited government and a warmongering foreign policy at the same time --- they are mutually incompatible, and logically contradictory. 

"War is the health of the State".

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:38 | 1977263 constitutionalist
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i would personally love to have "isolationism". And I am aware of what that means. We have all the resources here, we dont need anyone elses products. I think less war is better mainly because I dont believe that the reason we have most wars are the reson we have most wars. I think the US will gain respect from other nations if we do "leave everyone alone". By getting in everyone elses business every other nation in history has shot themselves in the foot, or even head. but what do i know, most likely nothing

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:37 | 1975907 High Plains Drifter
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paul asked him in the last debate about the money he was paid to consult with the freddie mac.  he said he earned the money honestly while working in the private sector. there was a pause and then people in the audience started laughing........

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:43 | 1975946 Dr. Richard Head
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It was what I imagined the Chinese students laughing at Geithner sounded like.  You know, when he stated that our debt is safe.  I wish there was a video of that as well. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:44 | 1975960 High Plains Drifter
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there is. i posted a couple of days ago under the washington part of zh.....let me see if i can find it again..........

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:03 | 1976396 Lmo Mutton
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Everytime that RP speaks the applause is deafining.  

Did the other candidates have anybody there?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:06 | 1976403 YHC-FTSE
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That was superb. I like and agree with RP but never thought he was much of an orator until I saw that. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:46 | 1976508 navy62802
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It seems like he has progressively improved over the debate cycle this year.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:03 | 1976563 High Plains Drifter
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the government ron paul envisions is something most amerikans have never seen.  the other day he said that most americans simply do not understand what freedom and liberty are all about.   

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:25 | 1976646 redbud
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My son and I went to a rally (FreedomFest) where the young folks treated Dr. Paul like a rock star. It would be cool if guys started wearing their suit coats gappy around the collar (like Dr Paul). Rather than those Guy Fawkes masks, maybe freedom-lovers could mimic the style of Dr. Paul ;-D. 

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:14 | 2018447 FatFingered
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They could shorten up their pant legs as well.  He seems to like high-waters.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:30 | 1976667 Zadok
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That video was simply fantastic.  How can you not like Ron Paul?  Impressive!  Thanks HPD.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:08 | 1976792 Dave Thomas
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Ron Paul not only speaks the truth, but he is a true honest to goodness gentleman. He drops the hammer on Newt and doesn't sugar coat it, but doesn't engage in hyperbole or junior high smears. And he gives the opponent a chance explain themselves.

I'm still trying to figure out what that wink was Newt flashed when he was getting grilled.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:35 | 1976855 quackprogrammer
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Outstanding, thanks.  What a great end to the clip, with both Perry and Romney complementing Paul, and then Paul summarizes why.  Awesome.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:58 | 1977141 Hugh G Rection
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Thanks for that link HPD. The 13 minutes of zen has brightened my day, had to order some Ron Paul bumper stickers while I was at the site.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:35 | 1976485 my puppy for prez
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"Grinchgrinch".......LOVE IT!  Thanks for making me LOL!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:15 | 1976613 whatsinaname
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Wrong!!!! I see the MSM promoting Gingrinch and his getting the GOP nomination -  because going up against Gingrinch gives O the best chance to get a 2nd term.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:24 | 1975814 redpill
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Despite media reports to the contrary, the Ron Paul threat to the establishment is truly profound.  With his positions on civil liberties and sound money, he has the ability to carve out substantial portions of support from both establishment parties and threaten their stranglehold on our political process.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:31 | 1975866 Nascent_Variable
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The hilarious thing is that Paul's campaign may win a victory very similar to Obama's in 08.  A win in Iowa, a loss to the presumed favorite in New Hampshire (Romney polls well there), but the initial win gives him the legitimacy and fund-raising to carry the primary.

He could then take the general by stealing the youth vote and volunteers from Obama, the key component of his 08 campaign.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:04 | 1976087 RiverRoad
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The difference between Obama's win and Paul's win will be that Obama's win was an "Anybody but Bush" win.  THIS time the pres. election will be determined by people whose attention is seriously focused on the candidates qualifications.  It's amazing how being out of a job and a home can focus one's attention.....

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:21 | 1976438 Citxmech
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True - but McCain was a pretty wobbly candidate in his own right - and fucking Palin as VP was an epic disaster for that whole campaign.

A whole bunch of folks took a chance on Obama and most of them feel pretty burned right now.

If RP survives the Republican Primary - Obama's got BIG problems.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:51 | 1976518 redpill
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So would Ron Paul.  Shit the least he would have to worry about is his actual opponent.  RP would have to worry about getting shot.  Do you think the Federal Reserve Corporation banking cartel and the Military Industrial Complex are going to sit there and let this guy get elected so he can gut their power structure?  I don't think so.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:06 | 1976785 clymer
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prediction: Paul and Paul 2012

Rand will take the reigns, with another freedom-defending VP pick as a backup should anything happen to pop

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:21 | 1976831 Neoisolationist
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That's right RedPill. That scares the crap out of me. He might get the nomination then will have to stay breathing long enough to become president and stay that way. I love the guy. Like what he stands for (heck, look at my username), and want to see him an the country succeed in his vision. I hope he's not naive.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:06 | 1976092 CrockettAlmanac.com
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But instead of a teleprompter Ron Paul would have the Constitution plastered before his eyes.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:18 | 1976166 DollarMenu
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I do not think Dr. Paul will have anything plastered in front of his eyes.

He has been so consistent to his values for so long, I think he has incorporated the Constitution into his DNA.

He sees too clearly what is wrong, hence his being a threat to TPTW.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:02 | 1976389 CrockettAlmanac.com
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It was rhetorical flourish not a schematic.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:26 | 1976199 r101958
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TPTB have been trying to 'market' someone, anyone, that would resonate with the voters more than Paul. There has been a steady stream of 'new' candidates that they have paraded in front of the voters....the latest of which is Gingrich. They enter the race, they are lifted to the top of the heap by the MSM and then they fall when TPTB find that they are not really popular and have a lot of baggage. Each time the conversations from the MSM couch the race as between Romney and the new guy/gal. Each time they completely ignore Paul. This shows how desperate they are to marginalize Paul.....he challenges the status quo. They are almost as afraid of Romney because they are not sure he would go along with everything they require of him. This is the reason they brought Huckabee in during the 2008 Iowa and southern primaries. This is also the reason they are using Gingrich. Gingrich could not win the election going head to head against an incumbent. TPTB are much more ready to deal with the devil they know than the devil they don't know and the top of their list for 'Devil they don't know' is #1: Ron Paul and #2: Mitt Romney. They are doing all they can to defeat first Paul and second Romney.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:57 | 1976362 akak
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Ron Paul is not "the devil they don't know" for TPTB, he is most certainly the angel they DO know --- and what they know about him scares the shit out of them, as it should.  And what scares them so much is that Ron Paul is not just willing to declare that the neocon statist Emperor has no clothes, he is willing to declare in no uncertain terms that the Emperor has no arms, and no legs, and no eyes, and no head for that matter --- in fact, the Emperor himself is merely a fiction of sociopaths, and nothing more.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:39 | 1975923 Ghordius
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Would he not be quite "hampered" by Congress?
Some other Prezs were.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 17:54 | 1976026 Transformer
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If RP were to win, he would go to washington with so much popularity, so much "political capital" that he could accomplish virtually anything.  If he used the Bully Pulpit for change, a major revolution could take place, without having a single shot fired.  Obama could have done the same thing, but he was compromised from the beginning and could only do what they told him.  And if they killed RP at anytime in this process?  Well, I hate to think what would happen then.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:59 | 1976374 AGuy
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You're dreamin' The establishment in Congress and the Senate would lock him out. He would be a lame duck in the eyes of both parties come Jan 20, 2013. At best RP would simply veto every bill. Although stuff like S. 1867 would probably get rammed past RP with 2/3's votes which overrule presidential vetos. In addition to RP getting elected 2/3's of Congress and the Senate would need to be replaced to get real change.

A RP election in Nov 2012 might trigger the end of the US, as RP has suggested default as an option to unstainable debt loads. This might trigger the markets to dump the dollar causing the dollar to crash and bankrupt the Federal gov't as the dollar enters a death spiral.

Unfortunately RP getting elected changes nothing, and might speed up the demise of the US.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:07 | 1976405 kinganuthin
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You're forgeting that the Presidency also means CIC..  Oh.. and lets not forget Juditial seats (as they come up), treasury secretary and Fed Chair.  Changes almost everything.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:09 | 1976795 AGuy
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Please. Congress still has to ratify the president's selections. Congress could just deny all his appointees and let the interm cronies run the show. For the most part choosing these positions will have little or no impact to federal gov't spending. At best RP could shutdown the gov't if they fail to get 2/3 votes to pass a Budget. But that would have negitive cconsequences resulting in default on debt obligations, making the dollar become worthless in short order. If the federal gov't defaults its all over for the US dollar as the worlds reserve currency.  Real Change can only come from Congress.

CIC: Don't kid yourself that RP will implement any radical changes. We depend on the ME and Africa for Oil. No Oil imports, no US economy. O'Bama promised to exit the middle east during his campaign, but backtracked on Jan 20,2009. I am sure the Military and other gov't insiders informed O'Bama of the real situation and he was forced to change his tune. Consider that instead of downsizing US involvment, O'Bama nearly doubled it by getting involve in Pakastan, Yemen, Qatar, Libya, Egypt and now Central Africa, Syria and Jordan. All to ensure that sufficient Supertankers make there regular scheduled deliveries. I also forgot to include the covert war with Iran, by sabotaging several Iranian nuclear facilties, and destroying a missile base. Note it was a US drone, not an Israelli drone captured in Iran. Perhaps RP will not go nuts like O'Bama, but he will certainly keep troops in the ME to ensure the flow of Oil to US shores. Guarenteed!

 

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:56 | 1977135 buyingsterling
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The centerpiece of Paul's campaign has been a pledge to cut $1 trillion in the first year. By the time he's elected, that pledge will be known to all. He can simply refuse to sign any budget that doesn't actually come in $1 trillion under the prior year's. Jim Grant at the fed will be his wingman.

 

RE oil etc., all countries with resource endowments have an interest in trade with the US. Besides, a world re-alignment of power is long overdue. We should return to the Monroe Doctrine. China and others know it is easiery to ply the world with money than with violence. And if some countries choose violence, they're diminished and their resources are sapped by the effort of running nation-sized prison camps, where almost all of the natives want them dead. What was the last country to successfully seize and hold territory from another sovereign nation through arms?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 02:13 | 1977710 AGuy
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1. It doesn't matter what a politican says. Its what the do in office. Every single president elected has broken campaign promises. Accept it. 4 years ago the majority though O'Bama was the second coming. It bare took six monthes for them to learn he was the devil.

2. Cutting $1 Trillion will take $1 Trillion out of the economy. pushing much deeper into recession and perhaps triggering a deflationary spiral. An RP election needed to happen a decade ago to repair the damage. Old Uncle SAM is in a coma and on life support and is brain dead. Nothing can bring him back. Accept it.

3. Virtually all of the Oil Mexico ships to the US goes back to Mexico in the form of refined fuels. Mexico has very little refining capacity and is dependent on US refining. In the case of US ME exports, we get refined fuels not necessarily crude. We need oil to flow out of the ME to keep the US economy running. If we didn't there would be no reason to have military assets in all of the major exporters except for Iran. You think its about nation building or a religious war? Come on!

4. Its not all about US violence and direct control. Its about destabilization. Most Oil exporting countries are ruled by Sunni's and most of the populations in these countries are Shites. They don't like each other. The US provides arms, training, hardware to keep the Sunni's in power in fear that they would be overthrown causing chaos and shutting down exports as happened in Libya. US got heavy involved soon after the Iran-Iraq war began because both sides started targeting tankers and oil infrastructure in order to bankrupt each other in addition to killing each other, and has remained the dominate player since then.

5. Should the US leave the Middle East, Iran would like step up as the dominate player, destabilizing its neighbors via the Sunni-Shite feud, removing the defacto standard of oil priced in dollars, and cutting back exports to increase prices. Even if the US didn't rely one ME barrel of oil, Loss of oil priced in dollars or increased prices caused by declining ME exports would have a major impact on the US economcy and much of the world. Higher oil prices in the future will be the catalyst that triggers the next global War as in WW 3.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 02:36 | 1977736 akak
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Cutting $1 Trillion will take $1 Trillion out of the economy.

That is one of the most asinine comments I have ever read in this forum.

Cutting $1T from government spending would only either free up that $1T to flow within the REAL, productive, private-sector economy, and/or radically cut the rate at which the US dollar is depreciating (or will be depreciating in the near future) via the drastic reduction in what would otherwise be the new governmental debt needed to be issued to back that governmental spending.  You speak as if government has its own resources, instead of merely being a parasite on the actual productive economy.  Go back to school, Keynesian hack.

Should the US leave the Middle East, Iran would like step up as the dominate player

As for the end of the US imperialistic foreign policy of interventionistic warmongering freeing up Iran to dominate the Middle East, you either have not learned anything about Iranian foreign policy of the last several centuries --- no, they are no longer the expansionistic Parthian Empire battling Rome --- or else you are a gullible fool who buys into all the propaganda, fearmongering and lies of the neocon sociopaths.  To the extent that Iran has meddled in regional politics since WWII, it has been to counter US aggression and imperialistic meddling of its own, such as the overthrow of the Iranian democratically elected leader in 1953 in order to install a more amenable despot in his place.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 11:29 | 1978708 AGuy
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"Cutting $1T from government spending would only either free up that $1T to flow within the REAL, productive, private-sector economy"

 

Not when $1 Trillion originates from debt -via money printing. They are not going to cut taxes that would free up capital for use in the economy. They are going to cut back on money printing. Use your head. Look whats happening in Greece, Italy and other nations that have implemented austerity. They aren't rioting because the economy is recovering, its collapsing. If the Fed Gov't cut $1 trillion it would cut around 150K to 250K jobs, mixed between public and private sectors, since a lot of private sector jobs provide gov't related services. Austerity measures in the US will take a decade to undo the damage done. Another repeat of the great depression lasting about a decade.

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 14:44 | 1979678 akak
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Thank you for playing, Lord Keynes.

However, you ARE the weakest link!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:20 | 1977188 Vlad Tepid
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Just because I always have to point this out only a small percentage of US oil comes from the Middle East...our top 4 importers are (in order) Canada, Mexico, Nigeria & Venezuela...so depend on is a rather strong word...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 00:17 | 1977439 In Fed We Trust
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If he puts all of Congress in jail , then
There will be no one to veto.

Plus we can throw them all out 2 years later.

We all know the Presidwncy comes with dictorial
Powers.

We just a good dictator. Ron Paul is the man

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:09 | 1976406 akak
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If electing Ron Paul would, as you say, "speed up the demise of the US", then at least we could go down with our heads held high, instead of in bankster-imposed shackles and chains and under police state repression.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:25 | 1976450 kinganuthin
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Imagine the resurgance of State sovierenty..  Ohh..

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:10 | 1976587 High Plains Drifter
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most americans do not understand what paul means when he talks about the gold standard.   the path is clear. however, the cost is very high. i don't think most americans do not understand the cost.  in a paul presidency i see , severe austerity and pain........now that being said, it is something that we have to go through, no doubt about it, but nevertheless, it is worth commenting on.   their love for this man, perhaps in a day such as that would wane somewhat..........no?  not to mention that the work will not be completed in 4 years or 40 for that matter.  how many generations have passed since the fed was illegally voted in?   how many generations will it take to fix the problem?   that is without violence?  someone said something about 233 dollar gold. i can assure you. that to me says one thing. severe pain, severe pain. pain which no american has ever seen and i am not sure if paul is making sure his potential voters understand this .....they need to know what is coming under his presidency.......severe pain and severe change.........paul is a ideologue. paul does not change with the wind. that is a good point about him i guess in a way. but sometimes i am not sure , being in a ideooglical straight jacket is a good thing. sometimes you have to change on the fly........but then , compromise is not something he would want to do perhaps.........

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:33 | 1976674 Zadok
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Do you think we will even get to vote this time?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:38 | 1976687 High Plains Drifter
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its over a year away. during this time in our national history, that is a very good question. but i get in trouble making predictions. heck, it could happen at any time really. they have everything just about set up...........

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:48 | 1976925 WonderDawg
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We're going to go through a great deal of pain regardless of who gets elected. Global depression is imminent. Depending on what happens in Europe or Japan, the real pain might start before the election, which will guarantee a regime change, but the next president will not be able to solve the crisis in 4 years, and the correct path to take will not relieve the pain immediately, so that guy is going take the blame. If it's Ron Paul, and he's my guy, his ideals might also get shot down in flames, which would be bad for everyone. It's ironic that Ron Paul's ideas will put us on the path to prosperity sooner, but will also require the pain to come sooner, thus he'll have to take the heat and perhaps his ideals on liberty as well.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:33 | 1976675 redbud
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Congress makes the laws, and Dr. Paul will not be an imperial president, using executive orders. He will lead from beside the lawmaker herd, not at the front or at the back. It might be nice to have house and senate split. All D or all R seem problematic to me. Getting lawmakers to pay attention to their oaths of office could go a long way toward shared solutions?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:39 | 1976694 High Plains Drifter
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ideologically (and he is correct i would think) is that executive orders are unconstitutional.  remember, ron paul will always couch everything he does in the shadow of the dusty old document laying on a shelf somewhere in the smithstonian ........

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:48 | 1976730 g speed
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this has to be your least though out post ever--really, what are you trying to say--     I think you need to rethink your RP (post Obama) world predictions

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:51 | 1976740 Cabreado
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High Plains Drifter,

Great comment.

I've supported RP for years, and am excited that we may vote in a big huge wrench in the spokes.

But by Design, he will need help (within govt), and We have much pain to go through, regardless.

While America has changed forever, we're still addicted to the (perceived) quick & easy fix, apparently.

Notice that We are counting on a new leader to "make it better" -- while We ignore a corrupt and broken Congress.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:52 | 1976744 NidStyles
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Ron Paul never talks about a Gold Standard. He talks about Sound Money. There is a difference. Sound Money is the usage of whatever may have worth at that period of time, and Gold Standard means using only Gold.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:35 | 1976483 IAmNotMark
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"Unfortunately RP getting elected changes nothing, and might speed up the demise of the US."

Arn't those exact opposites of the spectrum?

Change nothing <-------------------Ron Paul's election------------------>Demise of US

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:12 | 1976598 High Plains Drifter
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imho, it matters not. whoever is elected president matters not. the candlestick of the united states is flickering now and about to go out. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:13 | 1976805 kinganuthin
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but thats why it does matter.  Governments become their absolute worst moments before their ends.  It's the last grasp at power that kills the most.  Having someone like Paul as President.. well, you get what I'm saying.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 02:27 | 1977739 AGuy
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To be honest I hope RP doesn't get elected, but not for the reason you think. I think  he is a good man, but the next president is going to be handed a sinking Titanic, and his his name will be mud because he will be at the helm when the ship goes down. RP would  forever marked as the man that destroyed the United States if elected president.

RP would be better off running for president of Texas or president the South west corner of the former United States. Don't become the captain of the sinking Titanic, be the captain of the Carpathia that rescues the passengers off the Titanic.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:09 | 1976110 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The president commands all military functions and those of all the government departments. Massive power. The only thing that will "hamper" Ron Paul is the Constitution. So he'll actually have less power than the last two drone assassins but the power he does have will be used in a well considered and ethical manner.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 18:13 | 1976140 redpill
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Yes he could be hampered by Congress, but the media can't completely ignore you anymore when you're POTUS.  Using the "bully pulpit" to fully promote the agenda of liberty would make it very hard for Congress to stop much of his agenda.

And keep in mind, some aspects, such as troop withdrawals and Treasury bond auctions, would not necessarily require Congressional approval.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:54 | 1976750 Cloud9.5
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All we need is a justice department willing to prosecute fraud and congress will be contained.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:06 | 1976786 redpill
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Judge Napolitano for AG!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:28 | 1977212 Sizzurp
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No way, put him on the Supreme Court !!!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:17 | 1976814 kinganuthin
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If Scott Brown is a "Bellwether", what would Paul as President be?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 19:18 | 1976433 HurricaneSeason
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535 congressmen and 1 president we have to change our course with. He would simply have a different seat at the same table with the same people as he has for the last 15 years. I wouldn't expect any great breakthough. It's too late to close the barn doors, it'd be better to get Herman Cain back in the race so we can get the rest of the horses out and burn the barn down and start over.

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