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As Disenchantment With Idiocy Surges, Ron Paul Support Soars
Every legacy media and central planner's worst nightmare is slowly coming true: as the broader field of GOP candidates is rapidly dropping like US secret drones blowing up nuclear power plants in Iran, due to general idiocy, incompetence, too much baggage-ness or general reverse American Idol syndrome where Americans get tired with any given "leader" only to vote them out of the primary the following week, the one clear winner is becoming Ron Paul, who according to Public Policy Polling has seen his support soar in the past week and is now neck and neck with presidential candidate du week, Newt Gingrich. From the PPP: "There has been some major movement in the Republican Presidential race in Iowa over the last week, with what was a 9 point lead for Newt Gingrich now all the way down to a single point. Gingrich is at 22% to 21% for Paul with Mitt Romney at 16%, Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry at 9%, Rick Santorum at 8%, Jon Huntsman at 5%, and Gary Johnson at 1%."
More on this news which will be welcomed by supporters of the only person in the GOP crowd who actually deserves to be president:
Paul meanwhile has seen a big increase in his popularity from +14 (52/38) to +30 (61/31). There are a lot of parallels between Paul's strength in Iowa and Barack Obama's in 2008- he's doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters:
-59% of likely voters participated in the 2008 Republican caucus and they support Gingrich 26-18. But among the 41% of likely voters who are 'new' for 2012 Paul leads Gingrich 25-17 with Romney at 16%. Paul is doing a good job of bringing out folks who haven't done this before.
-He's also very strong with young voters. Among likely caucus goers under 45 Paul is up 30-16 on Gingrich. With those over 45, Gingrich leads him 26-15 with Romney at 17%.
-Among Republicans Gingrich leads Paul 25-17. But with voters who identify as Democrats or independents, 21% of the electorate in a year with no action on the Democratic side, Paul leads Gingrich 34-14 with Romney at 17%.
Young voters, independents, and folks who haven't voted in caucuses before is an unusual coalition for a Republican candidate...the big question is whether these folks will really come out and vote...if they do, we could be in for a big upset.
And if Paul can sustain the surge in momentum from Iowa, he may we have a chance to take New Hampshire where Romney still has a modest lead according to Rasmussen:
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney remains on top of the New Hampshire Republican Primary field, but the race for second place between Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul is a lot closer than it was just two weeks ago.
The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary Voters shows Romney with 33% of the vote, followed by Gingrich at 22%. Paul now picks up 18% support, his best showing in the Granite State so far. Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman comes in fourth with 10% of the vote, with no other candidate reaching double digits. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
Support for Romney, Gingrich and Huntsman is little changed from the previous survey, but Paul has now closed the 10-point gap between him and Gingrich to just four points.
Luckily, there still is more than enough opportunity for the other candidates' broad stupidity to shine through, which will benefit only one of the candidates. Furthermore, should the global economy collapse and the Fed proceed with doing the only thing he knows how to do, and as a result focus the broader population's attention even more on monetary policy, there will be only one winner: the one who has made the Fed his nemesis not only during this presidential election cycle, but his entire career.
We wish him all the best.
h/t John
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This is what happens when the mainstream media becomes a puppet of powerful, monied interests: it discredits itself.
The mainstream media has been undermining its credibility just as Greenspan and Bernanke have been gradually undermining the credibility of the Fed that Volcker built.
If Ron Paul wins the nomination all those morons who rely only on television and newspapers for news will finally have to re-evaluate their information sources.
R U celebrating or drowning your sorrows? I don't really care, but will have a scotch.
I'll have tequila.Go Ron.
Have one on me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BodXwAYeTfM
The two things I will look most forward to if Ron Paul is elected. 1. Gold at $4,500/oz., and 2. Walking to the convenience store to buy weed.
GO RON PAUL!
If Ron Paul can get government spending under control might not gold drop in price?
It really doesn't matter, if your gold is 30% or so of your investable money. If gold goes down the dollar will get stronger and have higher purchace power.
If, under his presidency America could once again become the powerhouse economy she has proved to be in the past, the price of gold IMO would be irrelevant.
Assets could once again be productively employed.
worst "if" I ever heard in my life
not being hyperbolic, I mean it
Ron Paul is a proponent of bringing back some sort of gold standard and he also supports allowing gold and silver to be considered legal tender. He likes the idea of a gold standard (somewhat modified compared to what the US has had in the past) in order to reel in unrestricted money creation and prevent hyperinflation. These are very bullish for gold.
ok , say the united states has zero gold at ft knox and zero gold at the new york fed. where is this gold coming from and how shall it be purchased?
Ive got gold.. so do many others. It doest disapeer. Many nations have it. If you want some, make something that people are willing to trade gold for. The gold in Fort Knox never did me any good anyway.
The same way any person, company, or country without gold gets it - by creating value and trading for it.
According to a rather interesting KWN interview with Jim Rickards ( http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2011/8/5_Jim... ), the Ft Knox & West Point gold may have been leased out and re-hypothecated a few zillion times, but it's still sitting in the vaults there. ie, the US government still have physical possession.
The people with paper title? Not so much.
That's right possession is 9/10's of the law.
While I am not in disagreement with your sentiment, I have to point out a couple of things.
First, depending on the actions of the Marionette-in-Chief, the Bernankesite, the majority shareholders and board of directors of Legislative Sales Inc. (d.b.a. Congress), and United States Supreme Court LLC, gold could hit $4500 before the election. (If you meant gold would be back down to $4500, I apologize for the misunderstanding and I stand corrected.)
Second, given his understanding of and respect for the Constitution, I believe Ron Paul would say that the legality of weed is a state issue over which the federal government has no enumerated authority.
What I look forward to in a Ron Paul administration is having a president who is a principled leader, not a marketing/public relations project.
JW Black Label aint the best scotch you could provide me with, but I'd be more than happy to have one with this lady, especially to celebrate the anticipation that Ron Paul could win the WH in 2012.
The women is hot ,, But that Johny walker taste like fucking shit ...
a nice neet Glenlivet .. Yum scotch scotch down down , down to my tummy
JW Black aint that bad. Not a fan of Glenlivet. But gimme some Talisker and watch me smile.
You might want to try Talisker 10-year Distiller's Edition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A23dx588Uo
BTW, this guy has a whole series of reviews. Good stuff!
@ HedgeAccordingly...Nice website w/great pictures. Is it possible to view past Babes of the Day?
+1!
Polling is easy, 'cause you don't need to get off your ass and vote. Are people actually motivated enough to transport their sorry arses all the way to a polling booth. Thats the real question, and in my opinion the answer is no. If you could vote online, while sitting at home in your undies eating 2minute noodles then there would be much higher turnout, and polls would mean a shit.
Ron Paul supporters are more motivated than supporters of all other candidates.
Supporters and $$$upporters, too?
Honest Q
Ron does not have backing from big money (ie. corporate) donors like Romney and Obama (see their fundraising stats if you don't believe me). His campaign runs on the backs of a legion of small dollar donors. Said small dollar donors have organized (and the campaign is now promoting) another "money bomb" fund raising event for this Friday, December the 16th:
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/pages/mbpledge_teaparty.html
I agree RP supporters will be out in droves.
I couldn't be motivated to rip a fart off by Newt or Mitt.
Where the fuck do they come up with the names for these clowns?
Newt, Mitt, and at the last minute (so as to avoid the scrutiny) Jeb.
Mitt Romney's real first name is Willard.
Jeb Bush's name is John Ellis Bush: "JEB" is the acronym for all 3 names.
Only "Newt" comes close to the reality: his name is Newton Leroy Gingrich.
Just FYI.
This fellow physician favors Dr. Paul to prescribe the right stuff.
Mitt Romney's real first name is Willard.
Jeb Bush's name is John Ellis Bush: "JEB" is the acronym for all 3 names.
Only "Newt" comes close to the reality: his name is Newton Leroy Gingrich.
Just FYI.
This fellow physician favors Dr. Paul to prescribe the right stuff.
exactly because they arent crooks and they actuslly have to work for something to accomplish it........
Are people motivated? Try being without a job and/or a home and/or wondering everyday what the hell is going to happen to your retirement portfolio. There that includes everybody.
Fortunately, I actually think this helps Ron Paul because his supporters are generally more motivated to get up and vote than supporters of other candidates.
A win for Paul would mean a major blow for legacy media!
Sorry people, I'm going contrarian and voting for Obama. I'm not giving up my gains in gold and silver for a guy who bought in on gold at $35 USD.
Ok, um I was kidding about that, but you can appreciate the comedy, can't you?
no, this is my fucking life asshole
Only Republican candidate that may not continue to engage in perpetual global war fun-for-all? Got my vote.
He is the ONLY one making sense.
Would someone please tell me how the HELL Newt got as far as he has with the graveyard of skeletons in his closet, are the sheeple really that STUPID?
Artificial levitation for fear of RP. One thing that Newt is good is "debating". The more the MSM discounts RP, the more people will vote for him as they are sick and tired of these MSM know it all.
yes
RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN
PPPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and the national news headline will read the day after the election:
GINCRICH DOES WELL IN IOWA !!!
(and buried somewhere in the story continued on page 4)
Paul a statistically insignificant first place.......
I am a Ron Paul fan. But Obama will win, because enough sheeple will vote for that Keynesian. With loads of new US debt, "the economy" will get a big enough push for a shock and awe with the same sheeple. Wish you luck, ZH'ers. Merry Christmas.
msm Headline
Gop Candidates by order of popularity
Ist: Gingrich
3rd: Bachman
4th: Romney
5th: Perry
old fat white guys don't make sense
Ron Paul has huge support from the American troops and he also served. The troops know they are being used by the muslim douche.
I mentioned last weekend that RP will win Iowa. I live in the Des Moines area and lots of RP signs. In 2008 his support was just in town but now all over the suburbs. Local media says 1200 at Iowa State Univ. to hear him late last week, 800 at Univ. of Northern Iowa. (much smaller school)The largest crowds turn out for him. Gingrich has NO ORGANIZATION here. Just hired staff 10 days ago. Romney has also bypassed the state because he believed christian conservative would dominate. They are split. Now if we can just get one of those crappy, snowy, January nights to keep the uncommited home the deal should be done. Can't wait to listen to the Fox news crew sh*t when he wins and spikes to the high 20's in New Hampshire.
You can be sure that if Ron Paul were to win the Iowa caucuses, you will be hearing the corporate-controlled media berate us with anti-RP propaganda such as "rabidly fanatical Ron Paul supporters 'bombed' the polls, and that the results are skewed and therefore irrelevant", that Iowa is merely one of the first of many caucuses and primaries (and somehow, this time, not a 'bellwether' state), that many candidates have won Iowa only to later lose the nomination (Huckleberry 2008, Bush 1980, Tom Harkin [who?] 1992, Dick Gephardt 1988), , that bad weather played a key role in keeping the "real" GOP voters home on the day of the caucuses, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Agree 1000% with his financial policies... BUT... I don't understand how his foreign policies would help this country. Care to enlighten me? Please be realistic in light of what is going on internationally right now. Thanks!
Evidently there is absolutely NO CRIME on the face of the earth that Washington DC isn’t fully engaged in 24/7
whether it’s shredding our Consitution and replacing it with martial law -FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON OTHER THEN TO GAIN UNLAWFUL POWER OVER CITIZENS
Breaking interntaional law by gun running high powered weapons to Mexican drug cartel
ACTUALLY HANDS ON PROVIDING MONEY LAUNDERING SERVICE FOR THE DRUG CARTELS
Illegal wars for profit – running non stop
murder & assassinations is business as usual……..
and even though our representatives earn over $250K in taxpayer funds PLUS LUXURY HEALTH CARE PLUS WILDLY BIG PENSIONS EVEN AFTER A SHORT TERM, PLUS THE MONEY MAKE ON INSIDER TRADING – they still don’t believe it’s enough compensation to actually bother to read the bills they are passing – like 2000 page Obamacare bill………and then just rubber stamping a bill like the NDAA that establishes martial law as the new law of the land indefinietly and for NO reason…………….
so what do we do? perhaps Ron Paul can lead us in the necessary REVOLUTION that is going to have to happen to remove these criminals from Washington and restore our Constitution……..
WE NEED THE REVOLUTION TO BEGIN RIGHT NOW……….State by State –we must withdraw from the criminal law of the Federal Government—they are all fraudulent criminals and no one -least of all our military should recognize them as anything but TRAITORS TO AMERICA which is exactly what they are..
RON PAUL NOW ———-IMPEACH OBAMA——-LEGALIZE THE CONSTITUTION
I've never voted Republican in my life but I would vote for Ron Paul...
Would nothing. do.
Sad.
Your alternative, who would fix this mess for everyone, is?...... (drum roll please)....
<crickets chirping>.
Well, this looks like a good place to stir the shit.
The commenter said...
"I've never voted Republican in my life but I would vote for Ron Paul..."
and you blasted the guy who responded.
What does that quote even mean to garner 88 greens and counting? That the comment is from an eleven year old not old enough to vote yet or Bwaney Fwank slumming around on ZH? No asks who he voted for before and why?
Are fiscal conservatives and libertarians really sittin around thinkin that someone who has voted "progressive"...or worse..."their entire life" are now going to change their stripes & vote against government pork barrel spending?
Really?
What defines someone like that fiscally...Keynes or Mises? What defines someone like that socially...Bloomberg or Jefferson?
Somebody fuckin slap me I've entered the Twilight Zone.
here's your slap.
maybe someone just finally woke up - and unless Mrs. Jefferson was sticking the bottle in your yap while you filled your diapee, you had a chance to wake up too.
go ahead, ask him - what's your story?
actually wait, i'll do it for you -
"ok nhr215, glad you came - bet how you got here is a great story -sure would like to hear it."
might make others like him think its worth considering.
"here's your slap.
maybe someone just finally woke up - and unless Mrs. Jefferson was sticking the bottle in your yap while you filled your diapee, you had a chance to wake up too."
lol...thanks, I needed that.
Their chance comes everyday on the pages of ZH and elsewhere. If they can't make an informed decision they shouldn't vote at all.
Last time we were left with a choice between a marginally competent though slightly mentally deranged (possibly by his past POW treatment) crony capitalist in McCain.
And a completely incompetent, total media fabrication, Chicago based crony capitalist, disguised as a neo-marxist who never had any real life experience outside of academia, government & charity in O'Bammy.
For me there was no choice.
Make no mistake...I will vote for a syphilitic camel before voting for what is there now. I'm thinkin sixty percent of voters will too.
If nothing else...if RP gets onto the main stage the conversation and debate about how "money" is created is well worth having. Obviously the kids have no idea.
Sad because he probably voted for magic muslim?
Same here......
i have never even been in the usa ever but would die for a politician here in the uk uk to show even 25% of the integrity of that man Ron Paul ... good luck to him... his honesty speaks way beyond typical party boundaries...and that terrifies the shit out of the status quo....
I think you have Nigel Farage on the Euro scene.
Thinking about your comment I just realized, Ron Paul is a RINO (Republican In Name Only), but in a good way!
Then you need to think some more. Ron Paul has watched in horror as the Repulican party has sunk into some kind of sick joke of what it once was. Hi-jacked by morons running round with a basket filled with social issues that have no business occupying political energy, that have no political solutions, and only serve to divide us. He knows what Our Constitution gave us, what we once were, and what our potential is. Too bad the GOP "leadership" is so sick...especially now when true "conservative" principles are so desparately needed.
I'm saying that RP is a Constitutional Libertarian, and that the Republican party (at this time) is nothing like that.
They're not sick. Let's not make even inadvertent excuses for what they are. They are corrupt, bought and paid for, self-interested, swill gulping, dog abusing, blood sucking, war craven, conspiritorial, self-aggrandizing, worm ridden pustules on the rump of society, who need lancing without the administration of an anesthetic.
Al Gorerhythim - when those who spent so much of their energy (handsomely rewarded) defending us from ourselves are out in the streets we should at least offer them a drink (or an anesthetic).
As Yoda would have said, DO, or do it not. There is no "would".
I registered for the first time for a party and registered as a republican for the sole reason to vote for RP in the primary.
give 'em hell, ron!
if paul wins iowa, the shockwaves will be felt all the way to tel aviv.......
gee you act as if jews own the media and will smear him or something
hey, i didn't use the j word. did i use the j word? no , i didn't use the j word...........
You guys are racists.. Israel wants nothing but the best for the USA.. They would like nothing more than for us to get our liberties back, our monitary independence and all of our troops back from around the world.. They just want to help their neighbors and be friends with the Palestinians.. maybe even "give" them some of their land back.. and end the raping of Gaza.. They are a great bunch of people over there.. Never thinking of themselves.. /sarc off/
Ron Paul's biggest asset is also his biggest weakness --- He doesn't know how to lie.
I love the guy , the only thing I disagree with him is on his position on Iran.
Uh huh. Paul - like Charles Lindbergh, another bete noir to the Jews - understands that nothing grows government like war. Zionist war, or any war. Thus his "position" on Iran. If YOU want to live in a Gulag state, just keeping supporting the ZOG and its wars.
But, but . . . . The Iranians are warmongers. Look at all the countries they have attacked and occupied in the last 300 years. They have built up a huge arsenal of WMD. They must be stopped at any cost.
And, uh. . . . they must stop selling oil for anything but dollars, and. . . . they must join the Rothschild banking system. These things are important.
You disagree with his position on Iran that the USA should not have replaced a democratically elected government by the Shah in 1953 to protect British oil, and then finance the armament of Irak so that they could fight the Iranian revolutionnary regime thereafter?
It's not only the oil but weakening the adversary to the point of submission. The US supplied arms to Iraq and israel supplied spares to Iran. That's why the war lasted for ten years or so. Easy. First year of war college. Plus strengthen the US military industrial complex and add jobs and SUV's. Even if the US does not support Israel, they can take care of themselves.
I so look forward to that being put to the test...
troll--thats the MSM talking point of the evening-- duh i'm ah I don'n like his ah forin pollocies ah duh.
If Ron Paul wins you will hear the MSM going on and on about how the Iowa primary doesn't actually matter at all, and they will discuss how well one of the candidates did relative to their increasingly low expectations. If they ignore him now when he is in a close second, they will continue to ignore him after he wins.
If Dr.Paul wins the nomination, Obama is going to get a shitload of money from his banking chums for his campaign, and all the free publicity he can handle on the msm channels. Meanwhile, there will be the continued news blackout on Dr.Paul, punctuated by Jon Stewart making jokes about the news blackout on Dr.Paul.
It's not like it matters. We have an election and then there's an announcement of who takes office. Sometimes the courts get involved, too.
I'm not convinced that the votes cast in the election have anything to do with the determination of who becomes President.
100 reasons for Ron Paul with a hot chick
Woulda been 102 reasons if that camera was pointing down another 6 inches or so.
I wanted to see it so bad I tilted myscreen...just hoping.
eyebrows
Outstanding. The one person willing to allow "Republican" to be attached to his name and who actually is presidential material, is rising to the top. The media is not going to know how to handle this. It's either get behind Obama, who they have been trashing for the last four years, or Ron Paul, who they have been doing their level best to ignore for the last year. LMAO all the way to the polls.
Yes they do. The media will handle it the same way they've handled his entire campaign ... ignore, ignore, ignore. Much like a small child sticking his fingers in his ears and humming.
Time to give small child media a good spanking.
The MSM knows full well how to handle him - do the Southern Poverty Law Center smear on him. Anyone who invokes the Constitution as the path back to greatness gets the full treatment.
Dr. Paul needs to stay out of hot tubs from now on.
gee, you act as if jews own both the SPLC and media and will smear him
The constitution really isn't that great actually, it is shored up by the Bill of Rights. Besides, politicians or primary brokers don't have to follow any laws or the constitution, that is for the unwashed masses.
"It appears Mitt keeps losing and Newt's far behind the person who's in front of him."
Something along those lines.
"Latest poll results are in. Newt 2nd with Mitt at 3. We just can't seem to find a good nominee for the GOP. BREAKING: DONALD TRUMP RE-CONSIDERING."
Who will Trump pick for running mate? Gary Busey or Meatloaf? Huston we have a race!!!
Jerry Springer
Ron Jeremy
His dead squirrel toupee.
Obama declares martial law.
Obama declares there wont be an election.
Stay safe RP.
Absolutely. If his popularity starts to seriously threaten the status quo, his life will mean little to nothing.
On the other hand, TPTB would also fear making this guy into a martyr.
There must be some serious sweating going on in some boardrooms these days.
I can't vote for Ron, but I will pray for him.
Or he'll get threatened. Remember back in 1992 when Perot was running, and then he dropped out of the race all of a sudden claiming his daughter had been threatened? And then he got back into the race a month or two later, but by then it was too late?
Damn right. If anything happens to Ron Paul there will be Hell to pay. Most Americans are not asleep at the wheel anymore.
That would be one of my "final straw" events. Remember the Secret Service is under the Department of the Treasury (which is under the Federal Reserve and the TBTF banksters). Ron Paul better not even get a runny nose this year.
I also fear for the safety of RP. There are powerfully vested interests that his stated policies threaten. The military-industrial complex and their wars, the financial powers and their FED, the Zionists and their control of U.S foreign policy. Remember Kennedy was kill for apposing these powers.
+1
I wish Dr.Paul well, but I don't fancy his chances of survival if he wins the nomination. He has made so many enemies, every brainwashed manchurian candidate from the Pentagon to Mossad must be waiting in the wings to do the lone gunman bit. Ready to kill, confess, and die for public consumption. Remember Sirhan Sirhan? Gitmo alone must have produced a few hundred candidates by now, after over 9yrs of continuous tortures.
I thought this manchurian candidate brainwashed killer thing was a myth until I saw Derren Brown do it for real as an experiment. Everyone has got to see this show, so they will know if it happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIGQBQst7JQ
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown-the-experiments/articles/delving-deeper-the-assassin
Many thought Obama would have been taken out by now(rednecks and KKK an all that) but he has not even had a close call yet(as far as we know).
If you replace the Inspector with the Dr. Paul. This is the visual I get.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g09Jfvbg1M
Go Ron Paul.
LOL! Peter Sellers at his finest.
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Ron Who?
Why does he have two first names?
Why is Newt Gingrich named after a salamander?
Who gives a shit, it's not a name I'm voting for.
Ron Paul 2012
Woah she turned me into a Newt!
I got better...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYO0joolR0
But this latest newt just got fatter.
what kind of an idiot chooses who they want for president on that kind of criteria? do you choose what you eat based on how many letters are in its name? it's people like you that give Americans a bad name.
He has three first names: Ronald Ernest Paul.
Whew... I'm glad Earnest doesn't start with an "I"
css1971
Same reason your likely a eunuch.
Ron Paul is the least worst. How come America has well over 300 million citizens but fail to produce even a decent candidate or president. A trend that has been going on for over 50 years.
Least worst? I have never seen a more upstanding candidate for President in my entire 33 years of life. I never understood freedom until Ron Paul expressed what liberty really is.
"Least worst" is a term suitable for someone like Romney or McCain... NOT Ron Paul.
49 years here. Ronnie Reagan was great except for his exceptionally poor personnel decisions. RR doesn't hold a candle to RP.
yes, ron reagan was the greatest tptb puppet in my lifetime....
yes, ron reagan was the greatest tptb puppet in my lifetime....
Tell me genius. If he is the least worst what does the "best" look like for you? Because as I look at it he is the Best of the best and that comes from being in a class all by himself.
Someone who isn't a monetarist. Someone who thus doesn't fall prey to sophistry of the oligarchy manifested through monetarism.
Keynesian or Austrian...it's still an oligarchical control principle, not an economic anything. Only idiots believe in monetarism, again, whether it be Austrian or Keynesian. Monetarism isn't in any way shape or form a VALID economic ideology.
The founding fathers were ANTI-MONETARIST. Thus in REALITY, Ron Paul is another economic traitor to this country. Just in a different way. Keynesian can kill you. Austrian dogma can kill you. Because we are dying of Keynesianism doesn't mean we should suck the fat cock of a different control structure based on bullshit. None of the founding fathers were Austrians, and Austrian monetarism is not founding father-esque. There are some parallels, but the reasons are vastly different. Because two things are red, doesn't mean they are both the same. You can have some similar things based on a difference in ideology. Sound money which allows credit for value creation? Or dogmatic bullshit that keeps the ruling class on top above all else, where if the ruling class doesn't buy in, nothing happens? The two are not the same. One aspect is American. The other is Austrian. They are as different as Adam from Eve, even though both are humans. Ron Paul's economic principles are as anti-american as any Keynesian. Just like Keynesians can claim they perpetuate their frauds for various founding father principles keeping the oligarchy in charge, the same can be said for Austrianism and their version of sound money, austerity, so on and so forth. Both are wrong, and glom onto the periphery of principles of political economy given to us by our founding fathers, and then twisted for their own oligarchical needs. Then someone decades or hundreds of years later buys into their bs, and doesn't see the differences and both are claimed by both sides wrongly as being in the tradition of our founding fathers or constitution, when in reality neither are even close.
So if we elect Ron Paul, who has his strengths, we WILL BE electing another dumbshit who drinks the dogma of another scheme of the oligarchy that is suboptimal, and prevents mankind from actually succeeding how it can.
The answer is American Credit System and Glass-Steagall.
Ron Paul, because he too is controlled by the oligarchy (because that's what Austrian moentarism is and it's bullshit dogma), will not be a significant improvement, and is in fact the perfect candidate to switch to when the collapse comes. Keynesian is favored in expansion of debt. Austrian is favored by the oligarchy during a time of contraction of debt. Not ALL the oligarchy, but those that survive it, will still get to rule it. It's amazing people don't understand WHY Austrian monetarism was created, as another scheme of the oligarchy.
I call ALL froms of monetarism, bullshit.
A better candidate would be free of any of the oligarchical principles, and not have a propensity to believe their dogma. If we had one, we'd have a candidate who would take us in a direction we need to go, not what some dogma (one version of another) tells us to. (based on what again? oligarchical control).
Ron Paul is the least of the horrible slate of candidates from all sides. Because all candidates are MONETARISTS, and monetarism is inherently anti-american, anti-founding father, anti-constitution. They just like to bs that they hold some of the tenets in a twisted like fashion that are placed in a way that only keeps the oligarchy in control. Make the bullshit believable enough, and people will follow it. As they say, the best bullshit, is the kind that is out in the open, and that everyone can readily believe. Monetarism is just that. Accepted, even though IT ITSELF is what is getting passed people, and allowing the oligarchy to control us. If you want to beat the oligarchy and be free from it, you must free yourself from monetarism.
Monetarism = Oligarchy. You'll never have one without supporting the other. That includes idiot Austrianism, that so many are foolishly wishing to replace idiot Keynesianism. I again call bullshit on ALL forms of monetarism...i.e. oligarchical control, based on Aristottle bullshit sophistry. If everyone believes dogshit is caviar, then it is? Wrong. I say, well take one huge bite and THEN tell me it's caviar, while I laugh my ass off. This sort of twisting reality, is what America was founded to be free from. Free from the monetarists of Europe.
Do I see any candidates that are free of european monetarism? Nope. Ron Paul, Obama, any other? They're all monetarists. At least Ron is anti-war and a few other good things. But economically, he's just as much of an idiot as the rest...well maybe -1. Elections to me shouldn't be about which version of snake oil are you going to buy.
Impeach Obama
American Credit System
Glass-Steagall
Glass-Steagall? Yes, ask the oligarchs politely if they will restrain themselves from looting the public. Keep asking until they do it. Then we win!
I didn't even have to get to the glass-steagall comment because you replied so thanks for saving me time Crockett. And yes claiming there's a oligarchy and then asking for them to permit you to have a law to try to stop them...just a hint of hypocrisy or naivete.
Hey Lyndon, hate to tell you, but your crazy is showing again.
Perhaps you should include a link, no clue what you mean with "American Credit System"
Austrian as Monetarists! .........!
Yeah, "American Credit" in all forms has just gone swimmingly. Let's get you a position where all your coffee is paid for and there is a group of younglings chained within earshot so that they can't escape your bullshit. That would be the last we'd hear from you, having your needs taken care of.
Ok, ok, we'll send you one of ours.
Berlusconi or Sarkozy?
About bloody time. Will he make investors whole and execute the perps at the central banks and all their hencemen (politicians)? That is the real question of the day.
do americans truely understand libertarianism?
Americans believe that a man's home is his castle but then they look at their neighbors and say, "there ought to be a law..."
Never so much like in Europe. Never!
Well, Reagan sounded vaguely libertarian, the first time...
Ron Paul = Gold $233.00
american's would not like gold at 233 just like they would not like gold at 10000..........
Thanks for proving that any idiot can post on the internet. Weak trolling indeed.
bill1102inf
ron paul is to back the spending habits of trolls like you with gold
\ron paul gold 10,000
It would be a blast to see Ron Paul, leading an armored column, roll up to Ft. Knox and say"Open it up. Right now. Let's see the gold." And when he discovers it's not there, tell the Israelites to cough it up.
...then head over to the NY Fed and kick the Bernak and his minions out for good!!! And publish their records under the Freedom of Information Act. Then head over to the UN.
Ron Paul Revolution baby!
...then head over to the NY Fed and kick the Bernak and his minions out for good!!! And publish their records under the Freedom of Information Act. Then head over to the UN.
Ron Paul Revolution baby!
Speaking as someone who would be impoverished by the highly sensible economic policies of Ron Paul, I'm all for it.
Freedom isn't free.
You, sir, have captured the essence of what's coming. Through the White House all the way to Mount Rushmore with Ron Paul! For your freedom and ours.
Well if the US returned to a gold backed currency as Ron Paul advocates, wouldn't that be expected to stimulate a huge new demand for gold and silver? Wouldn't that be a gigantic windfall for someone who has a big fraction of their net worth invested in these metals?
Don't get me wrong: I strongly support Ron Paul. I just wonder whether you would really be as impoverished as you claim.
Perhaps, perhaps not. My bet is currently all in against the future of the status quo. The question is only whether Paul would choose to save the status quo, or initiate the reset that I am prepared for in a controlled manner.
Gold = wealth preservation. It's price in fiat is meaningless.
I like the way her eye's roll back. She's a natural and seems to enjoy that footlong! Rick Perry does too!