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As Disenchantment With Idiocy Surges, Ron Paul Support Soars

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Every legacy media and central planner's worst nightmare is slowly coming true: as the broader field of GOP candidates is rapidly dropping like US secret drones blowing up nuclear power plants in Iran, due to general idiocy, incompetence, too much baggage-ness or general reverse American Idol syndrome where Americans get tired with any given "leader" only to vote them out of the primary the following week, the one clear winner is becoming Ron Paul, who according to Public Policy Polling has seen his support soar in the past week and is now neck and neck with presidential candidate du week, Newt Gingrich. From the PPP: "There has been some major movement in the Republican Presidential race in Iowa over the last week, with what was a 9 point lead for Newt Gingrich now all the way down to a single point. Gingrich is at 22% to 21% for Paul with Mitt Romney at 16%, Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry at 9%, Rick Santorum at 8%, Jon Huntsman at 5%, and Gary Johnson at 1%."

More on this news which will be welcomed by supporters of the only person in the GOP crowd who actually deserves to be president:

Paul meanwhile has seen a big increase in his popularity from +14 (52/38) to +30 (61/31).  There are a lot of parallels between Paul's strength in Iowa and Barack Obama's in 2008- he's doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters:

 

-59% of likely voters participated in the 2008 Republican caucus and they support Gingrich 26-18.  But among the 41% of likely voters who are 'new' for 2012 Paul leads Gingrich 25-17 with Romney at 16%.  Paul is doing a good job of bringing out folks who haven't done this before.

 

-He's also very strong with young voters.  Among likely caucus goers under 45 Paul is up 30-16 on Gingrich.  With those over 45, Gingrich leads him 26-15 with Romney at 17%.

 

-Among Republicans Gingrich leads Paul 25-17. But with voters who identify as Democrats or independents, 21% of the electorate in a year with no action on the Democratic side, Paul leads Gingrich 34-14 with Romney at 17%.

 

Young voters, independents, and folks who haven't voted in caucuses before is an unusual coalition for a Republican candidate...the big question is whether these folks will really come out and vote...if they do, we could be in for a big upset.

And if Paul can sustain the surge in momentum from Iowa, he may we have a chance to take New Hampshire where Romney still has a modest lead according to Rasmussen:

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney remains on top of the New Hampshire Republican Primary field, but the race for second place between Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul is a lot closer than it was just two weeks ago.

 

The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary Voters shows Romney with 33% of the vote, followed by Gingrich at 22%. Paul now picks up 18% support, his best showing in the Granite State so far. Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman comes in fourth with 10% of the vote, with no other candidate reaching double digits. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

 

Support for Romney, Gingrich and Huntsman is little changed from the previous survey, but Paul has now closed the 10-point gap between him and Gingrich to just four points. 

Luckily, there still is more than enough opportunity for the other candidates' broad stupidity to shine through, which will benefit only one of the candidates. Furthermore, should the global economy collapse and the Fed proceed with doing the only thing he knows how to do, and as a result focus the broader population's attention even more on monetary policy, there will be only one winner: the one who has made the Fed his nemesis not only during this presidential election cycle, but his entire career.

We wish him all the best.

h/t John

 

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Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:32 | 1977061 Jumbotron
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To ebworthen

Thanks for the fair enough. 

I don't mind someone dreaming even though I am incapable of ever dreaming again once I awoke from the Matrix.  Just be honest....as you are it seems....and state it as such.  And be realstic about the whole thing....which you also seem to be, unlike the other mindless, "blonde" cheerleaders for Paul.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:49 | 1976737 anomalous
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Pretty weak. Are you Mitt's or Newt's bitch?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:38 | 1976870 Jumbotron
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Pretty weak. Are you Mitt's or Newt's bitch?

I'm nobody's bitch....unlike you who is Ron Paul's bitch.

Which is precisely what you will do when Ron Paul loses and then retires in 2012.  Sit around and bitch......and find someone else to be a bitch to.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:07 | 1976578 ebworthen
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Ron Paul is the only person I would make the trip to the voting booth for (yes, even if not voting elects Obummer).

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:14 | 1976607 lieutenantjohnchard
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ron paul running a campaign based on peace, prosperity and liberty. couldn't have written the script any better myself.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:17 | 1976625 vipmoneymachine
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I urge Obama to select Ron Paul as his vice president and turn him lose in the next term. Guaranteed victory and you will go as one of the best presidents ever ! Federal Reserve, fuck you, Zionist, fuck you. Bankers. fuck you. Health insurance companies, fuck you.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:17 | 1976628 High Plains Drifter
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would a  paul presidency include the bailout of american students who foolishly took out loans for college?   to paul, he would say, nobody stuck a gun to your head. you owe the money. now go work and pay it off. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:40 | 1976698 Zadok
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At least with his approach, they could.  As opposed to what exists now.  

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:56 | 1976755 High Plains Drifter
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this is what i mean.  with paul there will be no questions about where he will stand on most issues.  there will be no need to ask him about it. people will already know. everything he does is based upon his libertarian principles......everything........

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:23 | 1977617 Cathartes Aura
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how is his stance on "abortion" a "libertarian principle"?

serious question, yet to be answered.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:19 | 1976632 loveyajimbo
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It is hard to imagine Paul winning... the powerz would throw everything at him in desperation... and if all else fails they would try to knock him off.

 

Real core change is terrifiying to the scum that has been pilliaging our country.

 

Can one imagine sound money, no foreign aid, full audits of the Fed, no war for profit, prosecutions galore for financial and war crimes, a honest attorney general, return og Glas-Stegall, Bill Black as AG, make the corporations return the manufacturing jobs to the US, no more "free" trade, Cheney boiled in oil, illegals deported????

 

It would be like Oz, dude.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:27 | 1976656 High Plains Drifter
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well think about it.  what real enemies does ron paul have , if he starts getting close, they will make their moves...........

 

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:22 | 1976639 Shirley Wilfahrt
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Iowa and NH are circle jerks for the evangelical wingtard and the NE elite status quo....they don't mean shit.

SC matters.

Win SC....you win the GOP nod.

And it sure as fuck aint gonna be Ron Paul....the man hasn't done a damn thing in all his years in DC except bring home the pork to his district like every other pig at the trough. He's a bullshit artist.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:24 | 1976642 10044
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"He's a bullshit artist" : yeah just like your avatar

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:29 | 1976661 Smokey1
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Ron Paul is a mumble-mouth, deluded isolationist. He is stupid as a box of shit and is an embarrassment on the stage debating the bonafide Republicans.

Ron Paul eats shit.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:37 | 1976682 ebworthen
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Smokey - You already left a turd below this post; one is bad enough.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:45 | 1976719 anomalous
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You should change, you sound like a spoiled child lashing out reflexively.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:34 | 1976680 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Now I am convinced more than ever that Ron Paul should be our choice.  Thank you.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:41 | 1976701 Zadok
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Where do I sign up for ultra-hypothecation of the RED ARROWS?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:26 | 1976650 Smokey1
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Ron Paul eats shit.

He is a fucking worthless, mumble-mouth, incoherent isolationist, and is a national disgrace.

He makes a fool of himself in every public debate, because he can't defend his doctrine of retreat and submission.

He has NEVER in his miserable life offered any rational thought on how to cope with radical Islamic terrorists.

FUCK RON PAUL. He is a fucking world-class CUR.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:32 | 1976671 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Most of the supposed islamic terrorists are run by our very own CIA.  Yes, the same ones that pay you to make a fool out of yourself on posts like this.  You may not even be a real person.  You are probably just another U. S. cyberdrone about to crash.  Ha, ha ha!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:33 | 1976677 High Plains Drifter
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oh  i see. so you think we  should be the new world order army of the world, going around fighting and dying for nothing forever..........yep , got it......

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:38 | 1976689 Savyindallas
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Snokey1 -another angry, delusional Neocon seeing their smoke and mirrors support being blown away by the winds of tuth. Ha!Ha! I so look forward to your delusional rants. After a tough day, I enjoy reading humorous posts from ass-clowns. Please, tell us how Newt will save us. Tell us how he should team up with Sarah palin to make up the republican Dream team,

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:38 | 1976691 Savyindallas
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Snokey1 -another angry, delusional Neocon seeing their smoke and mirrors support being blown away by the winds of tuth. Ha!Ha! I so look forward to your delusional rants. After a tough day, I enjoy reading humorous posts from ass-clowns. Please, tell us how Newt will save us. Tell us how he should team up with Sarah palin to make up the republican Dream team,

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:50 | 1977116 Smokey1
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Obviously a Ron Paulite. Too fucking stupid to avoid double-posting.

Take a hard look at Paul in the next debate. He can pass for ET.

He has the charisma of maggot-infested turd.

He is a fucking national laughingstock.

RON PAUL HAS NO CHANCE AT POTUS. NONE. NADA. ZERO. ZILCH.

Get over it you deluded fools.

If every fucking republican candidate dropped dead tomorrow, and Obama and Hillary pulled out, RON PAUL WOULD STILL LOSE.

What don't you understand about that, you fools?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:23 | 1977196 IAmNotMark
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So Smokey...I have some questions:

1.  Basement?  Where you live.  Your parent's basement?
2.  Age?  From your writing you seem like you're a immature 16 or a really immature 19.
3.  Education?  Your dad told you that dropping out of 7th grade was a bad idea, but you didn't listen.
4.  Intelligence?  Yea...well, I'm sure you're doing the best with what you got.
5.  Looks?  Yea...let's get back to you living in your parent's basement.  Do us a favor...turn the light off so we don't have to look at your ugly face.

I'm sure one day you'll grow up into a normal human being.  Well actually I'm not.  You seem like a low-life scumbag troll.  Some trolls never grow up.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:41 | 1977960 my puppy for prez
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Watch the vid below to complete the picture of what you're describing.  Even if you don't like country music, you will appreciate the perfect depiction of Smoky!  Hilarious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6iAjEv9dQ

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:30 | 1977218 fnordfnordfnord
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HE MAD.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:30 | 1977948 my puppy for prez
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Apparently, he has forgotten to take his meds for a few days.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:40 | 1976696 anomalous
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Lashing out like a scared little person. I hope you find some safe harbor for the time being. Peace is a strong word too. Reject the statist, they're pussies.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:29 | 1977946 my puppy for prez
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Question:

Is your skin green and your heart two sizes too small?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:30 | 1976665 bpoint
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  • Even if he did win, he (we) would still be stuck with Congress.  It is great that he never voted for Congressional raises, or take part in the pension plan, but where were his Congressional reform bills during all his year's in office? 
Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:42 | 1976708 Clint Liquor
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Agreed, bpoint. It is much more important to defeat every single incumbent in Congress. I know there are some good ones, but they can run again next term. We need to flush the Washington toilet.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:30 | 1976669 PulauHantu29
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California Governor Jerry Brown will cut $1 billion in spending from the current budget, saying the economy won’t produce revenue he built into the plan in June, triggering automatic reductions.

Brown said he’ll eliminate a $258 million busing subsidy, take $230 million from aid to public universities, trim $200 million in programs that help the elderly and disabled, and make smaller cuts in child care, library and prison spending. Public schools will lose $79.6 million, the equivalent of a half day of classes.

“These cuts to the universities, in-home supportive services, to schools, to prosecution -- they’re not good,” Brown said at a press conference in Sacramento. “This is not how we want to run California.”

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-13/california-s-revenue-shortfall-...

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:35 | 1976683 High Plains Drifter
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ouch........hey, where is my bus. i gots to ride in da bus........

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:41 | 1976703 High Plains Drifter
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would a president ron paul tell the lubivichers that they could not put up their national menorah on the white house lawn?  

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:42 | 1976704 Cone of Uncertainty
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I just donated some coin to Ron Paul.

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:43 | 1976711 kaiserhoff
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Two weeks is a long time in politics, but I have to admit, this is the most excitement I've seen since the pigs ate the preacher man;)

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:26 | 1977626 Cathartes Aura
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this is the "circus" part, gettin' low on bread. . .

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:44 | 1976717 High Plains Drifter
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oh i forgot to mention that ron paul has stated that if his quest is not successful , he will give all of his unused campaign monies to his son which is legal...........how about them apples?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:27 | 1977632 Cathartes Aura
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ahhh how perfect, more family legacies in politics - name brand & all. . .

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:47 | 1976727 Tunga
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All your Bernankes are belong to us now.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:48 | 1976733 Gyro Gearloose
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If you're tired of seeing our kids killed and maimed in senseless wars...............

Vote Ron Paul

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:43 | 1977095 Jumbotron
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If you're tired of seeing our kids killed and maimed in senseless wars...............

Vote Ron Paul

 

Moron....if you don't want to see your kids killed or maimed in senseless wars then  teach them that the bankers running this country and the world are not worth dying for.  And then if the banker's whores (aka...politicians) institute the draft then flee the country with your children and preserve their lives and their liberty which is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

You may at best get an 8 year reprieve with Paul....then what.....pray for another secular savior?


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:10 | 1977587 Gyro Gearloose
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Did I say I was looking for a "secular savior"?

My kids are well aware and I said nothing about not being prepared but for some strange reason you seem to assume that.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:33 | 1976781 steelrules
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Paul & Kusinish, there's a ticket that would win and could save the US.

Just look at history Abraham Lincoln made up his cabinet of his political opposition and still became one of the best presidents in US history.

http://www.mrlincolnswhitehouse.org/inside.asp?ID=9&subjectID=2

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 00:22 | 1977457 thepsilocircus
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Are you aware of Ron Paul's opinion of Abraham Lincoln?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 03:48 | 1977812 GoldBricker
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You don't have to agree with Lincoln's policies to admire the shrewdness of his politics.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:26 | 1977943 my puppy for prez
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Ha ha!  Good one!

I think Judge Napolitano would be a fabulous choice for VP!  He gets the real Lincoln, too.

Interesting history tidbit:

Lincoln wouldn't have won the election had it not been for the votes of the German immigrants who were communists that fled Germany after a failed revolution.  They saw something they liked in Lincoln:  a penchant for strengthening federal power!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:15 | 1976808 stiler
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After voting conservatively since Reagan, I vote for RP, to send a message that I won't go along with business as usual anymore with this grasping government of ours. No more statism.

In a few more years the believing church may have to go underground in small cell groups bec of persecution from mainline churches.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:49 | 1977146 Jumbotron
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"In a few more years the believing church may have to go underground in small cell groups bec of persecution from mainline churches."

Brother.....we may have to go Amish from the world.

Only..... Amish with guns.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:23 | 1977936 my puppy for prez
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Amish HAVE guns!

 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:18 | 1976818 non_anon
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I wrote RP in on my ballet in 2008 and will do the same this time around if he is not on it, that is, if I'm not already in prison for being a suspected terrorist

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:18 | 1976822 Darkness
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Well that's weird... How long have I been asking fellow Zerohedge readers "What would Ron Paul do (WWRPD)"?

Looks like America is finally starting to catch on.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:28 | 1976846 steelrules
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WWRPD.

How about uphold the law that makes it treason for any politician to attend Builderburg or the CFR.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:38 | 1976848 dvp
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Ron Paul is a qunitessential populist.  If one compares his policies with those of William Jennings Bryan, found will be an amazing similarity.  Keeping in mind the populists were viewed as left in their day, explained is the attractiveness of much of Paul's platform to leftists today.  Resurrecting populism, to what Paul's platform comes is a fundamental belief in an idealized version of Adam Smith's free market conception.  Underlying this basic commitment is a presumption of the truth of Arthur Lovejoy's Great Chain of Being.  Constituent is a presumption of a parsimoniously ordered universe in which each constituent has a unique responsibility within the whole.  Necessary is for the entity to produce resources necessary for the functioning of another entity, and this to produce resources for the funtioning of another entity, etc., the whole being a self-sustaining closed system.  Functioning of the whole is insured by the intrinsic disposition of each entity to act in the manner necessary for its place.  Presupposed by this system is a rational creator, God, which is made manifest in Bryan's arguing the prosecution in the Scopes Monkey Trial.  Thus is seen Paul's religious commitment.

What is attractive to the left concerning Paul's populism is the additional populist assumption Smith's idealized market system can be disrupted insofar as, in Smith's words, "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."  This occurring, starved of resources, many are made miserable for the benefit of a few.  It is in this circumstance government interventon is essential to right the divine balance.  However, not all those who are miserable are deserving of governmental compensation, only those who are made miserable by the actions of those engaging in "contrivance to raise prices."  Concerning those not made miserable by the action of others, they are deserving of their fate, a manifestation of free will. In William Graham Sumner's words,

"A drunkard in the gutter is just where he ought to be, according to the fitness and tendency of things. Nature has set upon him the process of decline and dissolution by which she removes things which have survived their usefulness."

Never provided by populists however, including Ron Paul, is a standard for distinguishing those who are miserable who are deserving of compensation, and those who are undeserving of compensation.  Being so, the populist can arbitrarily pick and choose who is to be compensated and who not.  This aspect of populism is what attracts a Ron Paul to the political right.  Making this aspect of populism brutally manifest is his son, Rand Paul, for whom one must be wary of being designated "A drunkard in the gutter."

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 00:02 | 1977376 anomalous
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Never thought of the Pauls as judgemental. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 21:51 | 1976937 Fred C Dobbs
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I gave Ron Paul's campaign $200 last week.  My second contribution.  I encourage others to do the same.  Now is the time. 

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:31 | 1977010 Roadracer86
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Greetings Hedgies,

Long time lurker; first time poster on the best blog on the web.  Speaking of idiots did anyone catch this article on CNBC; not that I spend a lot of time on the alphabet soup media sources but I couldn't pass this one up.

 

REALTORS: We've Overcounted Home Sales for the last 5 years!!!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45659547

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:57 | 1977138 surf0766
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Yes then it dropped from headline to number 3 slot, in 10 minutes. Now number 4 slot. It will be buried by the end of the night and the sheep will be surprised to the upside with all the positive green shits of housing in the spring.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:22 | 1977038 Marley
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I agree with House, the collapse of the financial system does not mean the collapse of the government.  Glad this isn't a political site.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:24 | 1977042 Gunga
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Ron Paul has my vote.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:01 | 1977049 G-R-U-N-T
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Like I've said before most voting American's think Paul's a kook....He hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination.

Also, a vote for Paul will indeed be a vote for Obama, and who here really has a desire for another 4 years of that idiot?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:24 | 1977199 JR
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Surely the evidence is in: Ron Paul’s debate time has been curtailed, his name omitted from news articles by the thousands, his philosophy has been misrepresented, his enemies in the Republican ranks and in the media and in the Congress are legion. Why? Because he’s the most dangerous instrument against the banker-controlled government and Washington Establishment since Andrew Jackson.

If they don’t stop him, they are ruined and they know it.

It I am right, when he places well in the Iowa caucuses, we will see a firestorm of resentment, fake charges and accusations like you have never seen before.

Kook?  Why would anybody be afraid of a “kook”?

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:43 | 1977285 G-R-U-N-T
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Actually JR I like Paul and I like many of the ideas he has hatched, however realistically he hasn't a chance and I'm hoping when indeed he loses the nomination that all the Paul enthusiasts here do not vote for him in the main election less we risk electing the Obamanation again. Ugh!

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:04 | 1977569 JR
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Thanks for the reply, G-R-U-N-T.  I would think that if it is Newt and Obama there will be a political earthquake, and if by an earthquake Paul is drafted for a Third Party, I think that he would be likely to win the presidency.

It's time, though, to stop saying he doesn't have a chance; it plays into the MSM's and neocons' propaganda. IMO.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:14 | 1977926 my puppy for prez
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The other R nominees are PUPPETS just like Obama, and would likely catapult us into the WWIII much faster, given their hawkish leanings.  

Think about how many R's voted for the damned NDAA bill!  

D or R....simply different flavors of globalist.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:19 | 1977935 my puppy for prez
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I simply can't hold my nose and vote for the "lesser of two evils" anymore!  I did it for McCain, and I will never do it again.  I have educated myself so much even since the last election....and voting for a globalist/Constitutional traitor simply isn't an option.  After all...THAT is how we arrived at the point we are at now....two pre-selected "choices".

I will write in Ron Paul need be...and sleep well knowing that America gets what she deserves ultimately.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:44 | 1977290 web bot
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+1000

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:36 | 1977055 Use of Weapons
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And this, I will end it here.

For all the "financial knowledge" on this site (and I'm looking at those who don't post, mostly) they will know one thing, above all others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0bIRkv29xk

 

To all the rest, and junks: dream on, little unicorns.

 

"Back, and to the left".

"Back, and to the left".

"Back, and to the left".

"Back, and to the left".

 

 

"CIA never involved itself with Central / South America"

 

 

And so on.

 

 

Yeahhhhhhh..... good luck getting RP elected. Hint: you are not free, small pigmies.

 

 

TROLOLOL.....Fucking tools.

 

Even the FSB is more honest than this shit...

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:16 | 1977172 ruffian
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I think most here would that the USA's Republic is a sham. No one man, even an honest and competant president can fix this USA domestic mess let alone the larger world. Especially with weak, greedy legislative branch and a bought and paid for corporates judicial branch. At least Paul seems to me to have political courage which is something sorely lacking in this country. He could have cozied up to tea people or occupied....both chant his name. But he stands alone with admittedly a sometimes garbled message....His sound money theme is somewhat simplistic but he's on the right track

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:38 | 1977651 Cathartes Aura
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be honest, the excited cheerleading on this thread is evidence that "most here" truly believe that if they can somehow just get this ONE MAN into the PRESIDENT seat, everything will be okay and change and "their country" will be "great" again, blahblahblah.

it's right here, in their own words - they believe that voting CHANGES things in this nationstate.

meanwhile, Congress continues to roll back their "privileges". . .

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 05:01 | 1977852 Temporalist
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I don't think it's about that "one man" it's about sending someone with integrity to the highest office in the land to see what happens.  They may not believe anything can be done except showing their disapproval, en masse, of the frauds that have come before.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:10 | 1977921 my puppy for prez
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I'm under no illusion that one person can be a "savior".  But it is defeatist to say that we should just shut up and die, already.  There ARE some important areas of influence that the Executive has:  

  • Supreme court nominees
  • Military direction, action, and goals
  • Executive branch agencies (or lack thereof)
  • Setting a tone of Constitutionality (bully pulpit)
Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:39 | 1977062 razorthin
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Great news, but a vast majority coming from non-republicans is a problem for the primaries.  Hannity and Levin have long neo-con brain-fukked the over 45er republicans.  Fukk the 2 party system.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 22:35 | 1977074 grunk
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Happy Birthday, Ben Bernanke.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:13 | 1977170 Howard
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I'm so optiomistic about the future right now. RP could be pres, and if not all the austrian economists and RP supporters are going to become rich relative to the rest of the population because they will own PMs when inflation hits. Then we will be the only ones that have the disposable income to donate to campaigns. Either way we win!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:33 | 1977239 BennyBoy
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The electors have never heard of Ron Paul.

And chiseld chin, empty head Romney seems so B List safe for America.

Barack Obominable is out.

He fulfilled 2 purposes: He's brown and he's a fall guy.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 23:55 | 1977345 Wu-tang Von Mises
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Long time groupie, first time common-tater!

Can any of you more seasoned ZH'ers inform me as to whether or not there is truth to this:

 

 

What follows is a generalized breakdown of voting in any given election:

 

People

Percentage for Victory     100%, all people  50%, plus 1

 

70% eligible to vote (excludes aliens, felons, minors)  35%, plus 1 40% registered to vote (approximately 60% of eligible) 20%, plus 1 20% vote on election day (50% of registered voters) 10%, plus 1 7% almost always vote Republican   7% almost always vote Democrat   6% swing votes 3%, plus 1    

 

Three percent of the populations plus one voter.  Here is where politicians live and die.

 

Because whether or not the voting machines are rigged, Sweet-Lord baby Allah help us if they are, the only thing that matters is who shows up on election day!  RP2012!

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 00:12 | 1977414 Rearranging Dec...
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I have to agree with the least worse assesment of some of the other commentators. I have been registered and voted for candidates from both parties and an independent before. While I like Ron Paul's sincerity and his military, foreign policy, and monetary policy stances I am not a huge fan of his social policies. I don't think its feasible to completely roll back the New Deal, I think gays should be able to marry ( why can't they be just as miserable and give half their shit to an ex too), and I don't think absitinence education is realistic. But I do like the end the ludicrous drug war and bring back basic civil liberties stances.

Yes he will be a target of certain PTB but they will do their best to not make him a martyr lest his son rise up and carry his cross succesfuly to the end zone. I woulnd't be all that suprised if his airplane mysteriously crashes in bad weather or some sort suspicious circumstance that only conspiracy theorist will obsess over while the majority get on with their lives.

Let's be realistic though, as president there is little he can do unless he uses his bully pulpit effectively and the MSM would have a field day distorting him in office. Also Congress is still very much bought and paid for. and could override vetos. Likewise he still would have to deal with a judiciary that's already totally status quo and corrupt. So will it solve all our problems ? No.  Is it the right f-ing start ? Hell Yes!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 04:57 | 1977850 Temporalist
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You are worried about phantasms!  Ron Paul is not now nor has ever been against gay rights to marry whomever they choose.  He doesn't believe in abstinence education, believes more in home schooling, and if he did it wouldn't be in a federal education program because there'd be no federal education.  What is it in the "New Deal" that you are so worried about losing?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 09:18 | 1978151 Rearranging Dec...
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He no longer seems to have any statement against gay marriage on his website. I am fairly certain that I remember seeing one on his website. I guess it wasn't polling well with the young people he is doing well with. For a similar issue check out his abortion page from "the issues" http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/abortion/. As much as I was always pro life in my own life I don't think that a government is going to have any success in rolling that back. Besides its  a splinter issue and not really as important as all the other maladies with our country.Plus it alienates a lot of people especially women who would be inclined to vote for him.

I dont' view everything that has happened as some sort of thing that's all liberal's faults. Both parties have gotten us to where we are today.

 

Anyway I am still strongly in support of him. Just realize that to some fiscal conservative/ social liberals  he is not the ideal candidate but is truly the best of the candidates.  Also expecting him to radically change the country and take us back to a constiutional republic is probably not going to happen. The most I expect is a temporary hault to the continued march of Tyranny in this country. Remember how all the young "progressives" are so upset that Obama hasn't changed anything because they expected a revolution. But it was similar in that the voting dynamic in the general electiont was anyone but a continuation of Bush. A vote for Ron Paul is for all of us who feel like voting for  anyone but a status quo politiican.

 

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 02:08 | 1977707 johnjb32
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Pass the fucking popcorn! -- Michael C. Ruppert

 

http://www.collapsenet.com/154.html

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 04:05 | 1977822 chindit13
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Actually, Paul has been getting quite a lot of time.  Last weekend I saw him do a segment on a CNN show with some bloated woman anchor appropriately named Candy-something.  I've seen him on plenty of other shows, too.

The networks and media are not in bed with the government, they are in bed with the folks who pay the bills:  advertisers.  As Paul's popularity grows, he creates his own demographic to whom companies will want to advertise.  If he has a strong showng in Iowa, and continues to hold his own in the NH polls, he will get plenty of air time.

Most everyone in the field has had his or her day in the sun, after which they faded.  Newt is today's flavor;  by February he'll be sharing a bus with Perry, who was this cycle's Comet Kahoutek.  If I were to bet, I would say that come spring, it will be a race between Paul and Huntsman (who shares a good many of the views of Paul, though not all).  These two will resonate because the key elements of their philosophies appeal to an increasingly large number of people, and both have a decidedlly non-politician style (though one far more than the other).

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 07:01 | 1977911 my puppy for prez
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Sorry to break the news to you about the media (no pun intended):


"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty if an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries"--

David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 08:13 | 1978018 proLiberty
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Newt is a self-proclaimed 'progressive' whose idea of the ideal president is FDR.  Progressives start with the premise that property rights are moot in the face of policy needs.  The entire basis of fiat money is that the very meaning of money is for government to define.  This of course invites them to print as much of it as they please and thereby steal private wealth through dilution.  When combined with the tax on nominal income, as government empowers itself to define it, it is the grandest scheme of theft in all human history.  Moreover, because of the endless and open-ended debt that was created to fund Progressive government programs, government must enslave anyone with income that it can tax to service the debt.  The level of debt is now so high that in order to be able to service it, government must now massively intrude in supression of the market rate of interest.  All of this distortion of the immediate and time-value of money destroys the essential price signals and incentives to invest.  This can only end very badly and the only issue is exactly when and exactly how. 

I cannot vote for a Progressive.  They are evil and their ways lead to the destruction of liberty and prosperity for those they must enslave.

 

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 12:25 | 1979014 DionysusDevotee
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I've been telling my liberal friends that if they want to end war, end the war on drugs, go after the bankers, and stop the police state to regester republican and vote RP in the primaries.  Then if they want to because of their abortion and racism fears, they can vote Obama in the election.  Just getting Paul nominated will change the political dialog of both the DNC and the GOP for a long time.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 23:15 | 1985920 ChasVoice
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Presidential Candidates: Endorsements by federal and statewide elected officials This report furnishes us many clues as to whom the Bot-N-Paid for are among our elected representatives. Keep in mind that ALL House members will be looking for your vote next November, too! Take no prisoners!
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 15:42 | 1998545 victor82
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I would take a second look at the PPP internals, but let's be clear, a Paul victory on the ground would be great for the Liberty Movement.

You can tell the Establishment is scared because they are playing the Stormfront/Racism card with Paul because of some of the stuff he published back in the Nineties that got peddled in some of the White Supremacy presses.

Yes, they're scared. I am looking for a surprise come Caucus Night.

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