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Doug Casey Addresses Getting Out of Dodge
Submitted by Doug Casey of Casey Research
Doug Casey Addresses Getting Out of Dodge
L: Doug, a lot of readers have been asking for guidance on how to know when it's time to exit center stage and hunker down in some safe place. Few people want to hide from the world in a cabin in the woods while life goes on in the mainstream, but nobody wants to get caught once the gates clang shut on the police state the US is becoming. How do you know when it's time to go?
Doug: Well, the first thing to keep in mind is that it's better to be a year too early than a minute too late. David Galland recently read They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45, by Milton Mayer. He quoted a passage in his column of last Friday. It goes a long way in explaining why Americans appear to be such whipped dogs today. They're no different from the Germans of recent memory. For those who missed it, let me quote it:
"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even talk, alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' … In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, 'It's not so bad' or 'You're seeing things' or 'You're an alarmist.'
"These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic… the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked… But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C?"
The fact is that the US has been on a slippery slope for decades, and it's about to go over a cliff. However, our standard of living, while declining, is still very high, both relatively and absolutely. But an American can enjoy a much higher standard of living abroad.
On the other hand, if I were some poor guy in a poverty-wracked country with few opportunities, I'd want to go where the action is, where the money is, now. Today, that means trying to get into the United States. The US is headed the wrong direction, but it's still a land of opportunity and a whole lot better than some flea-bitten village in Niger.
L: By the time things get worse than some Third-World dictatorship in the US, such a person could have remitted a whole lot of cash back home.
Doug: And you'd have a whole lot of experiences that would give you a competitive edge back where you came from, or in the next place you go to. The one-eyed man is king in the valley of the blind. People have to lose that backward, peasant mentality that ties them to the land of their birth. Sad to say, although the average American has somewhat more knowledge of the world – mainly due to television – his psychology is just as constrained as that of some serf from central Asia or some primitive village in Africa. It's all a matter of psychology.
But if you're not poor, you want to go someplace that is safe, nice – whatever that means to you – and with a lower cost of living. As most readers know, for me that's Cafayate, Argentina, but one size does not fit all. It needs to be a place you actually enjoy spending some time, with people whose company you enjoy.
L: Fair enough. But our readers want to know if your guru-sense is tingling yet, or how close you think we are to it being too late to leave – or at least too late to leave with any meaningful assets.
Doug: I'm a trend observer. This is one of the advantages of studying history, because it shows you that things like this rarely happen overnight. They are usually the result of trends that build over years and years, sometimes over generations. In the case of the US, I think the trend has been downhill, in many ways, for many years. Pick a time. You could make an argument, from a moral point of view, that things started heading downhill at the time of the Spanish-American War. That was when a previously peaceful and open country first started conquering overseas lands and staking colonies. America was still in the ascent towards its peak economically, but the seeds of its own demise were already sewn, and a libertarian watching the scene might have concluded that it was time to get out of Dodge –
L: [Laughs] That would have been a bit early…
Doug: [Chuckles] Yes, that would have been way too soon. As Adam Smith observed, there's a lot of ruin in a country.
L: On the other paw, it would have gotten you out before the War between the States, a disaster well worth avoiding.
Doug: No, the Spanish-American War was in 1898.
L: Oops! Sorry, I was thinking of what Americans call the Mexican-American War, but which Mexicans call the "American Invasion" –
Doug: [Laughs]
L: I'm not joking. That's what they called it in the history books I was given in Mexican schools when I lived there in the '70s. It has long seemed to me that that was an ominous turn for the worse for the US and a clear example of conquering a weaker neighbor purely for pillage – not just Texas, but everything from there all the way to California.
Doug: That's right. Davey Crockett and the boys, we love them, but in many ways they were the equivalent of today's Mexicans who want to recolonize the southwest and turn it back into part of Mexico, in what they call the Reconquista.
L: Indeed, but this is ancient history to most US taxpayers today – I'm reminded that it's not correct in many cases to call them Americans.
Doug: Yes, just as it was a misnomer to call the people who lived in the Roman Empire after Diocletian Romans – because Roman citizens were once free men. After about 300 AD most of them were bound to the land or their occupations as serfs. But the slide for Rome started at least 120 years earlier, after the death of Marcus Aurelius. Politically, the decline started with the accession of Julius Caesar 240 years before that. So, when did the slide – politically, economically, and socially – really start for the US? When were there no more trends going up?
L: FDR? The New Deal was really a moral, economic, and political turning point.
Doug: You could make that argument, but the US still grew economically, despite the roadblocks FDR threw in its path. US military power and global prestige continued growing from that point, although, paradoxically, the accelerating growth of the US military was directly responsible for the decline of the US economically and in terms of personal freedom. One reason for the ascendancy of the US after World War II was that we were the only major country in the world not physically devastated by the war.
L: Ah. Right.
Doug: So it seems to me that the peak of American civilization was in the 1960s. As for evidence, well, I like to put my finger on the 1959 Cadillac. Those twin bullet taillights, the opulence of it… In terms of then-current technology, things couldn't get much better.
L: "Opulence. I has it."
Doug: [Laughs – a real belly laugh] That's my favorite TV commercial! Anyway, that was the peak, in my mind. Though things continued getting better for a while, the US started to live out of capital.
L: Had to pay for guns and butter.
Doug: That's right. The Johnson administration's so-called Great Society created vast new federal bureaucracies that promised Americans free food, shelter, medical care, education, and what-have-you. Americans became true wards of the state. But the real, final nail in the coffin for America was in 1971 –
L: Nixon taking the US off the gold standard.
Doug: Nixon taking the US off the gold standard – open devaluation of the dollar, combined with wage and price controls for some months. And that was not long after the so-called Bank Secrecy Act, which abolished bank secrecy, and required the reporting of all foreign financial accounts. Nixon was, in many ways, even more of a disaster than Johnson. Republicans are usually worse than Democrats when it comes to freedom, partly because they like to couch their depredations in the rhetoric of defending the free market. While everyone understands that Democrats are socialists just under the surface, Republicans actually give capitalism a bad name. Baby Bush is a perfect, recent example.
L: But don't you worry your pretty little head about devaluation – it's just a "bugaboo" – and as long as you're not one of those unpatriotic people wanting to buy imports or vacation abroad, your dollar will be worth just as much tomorrow as it is today. The scary thing is that the Belarusian dictator Lukashenko said almost the same thing when the Belarusian ruble lost two thirds of its forex value earlier this year, asking his countrymen why they need to go on vacation in Germany or buy German cars…
Doug: You see why I like to study history? It doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme…
L: With a vengeance.
Doug: So, anyway, since 1971, some things have improved largely due to technological advances, but the America That Was has been fading into the past. It was a decisive turning point. You can see that in the accelerated proliferation of undeclared wars we've had since then. I don't just mean the penny-ante invasions of Granada and Panama – the US has always lorded it over Caribbean and Central American banana republics; those are just sport wars. But Iraq and Afghanistan are alien cultures on the other side of the world – apart from never posing any threat to the US. Now it looks like Iran and Pakistan are on the dance card, and they're big game. The War Against Islam has started in earnest, and it's going to end badly for the US. I explained all this at great length in the white paper, Learn to Make Terror Your Friend, that I wrote for The Casey Report last month.
Domestically, saying that the US is turning into a police state when you started this conversation was quite accurate. You can see more and more videos spreading over the Internet, not just of police brutality, but demonstrating the militarization and federalization of police, who are being inculcated with both disdain for and paranoia about ordinary citizens.
In the old days, if you were stopped for speeding, the peace officer was polite – you could get out of your car, meet the cop on neutral ground, and chat with him. You didn't have a serious problem unless you were obviously drunk or combative. Now, you don't dare make a move. You better keep your hands in plain sight on the steering wheel and be ready for a Breathalyzer test without probable cause. The law enforcement officer will stand behind you with his hand on his gun. And you're the one who'd better be polite.
L: There has been a polar reversal. The cops used to address citizens as "sir" or "ma'am." Now, the correct response in a traffic stop is: "Yes, sir! I would love to inspect the bottom of your boot, sir!"
Doug: [Laughs] That's right. My friend Marc Victor gives out magnetized business cards. People ask, "Why?" He answers that it's so clients can put them on the bottom of their cars or refrigerators, so they can see it when the cops throw them to the ground.
L: Marc's a good man. There's a handy video on Marc's website, offering advice on what to do if you're pulled over by the police in a traffic stop.
Doug: A good public service announcement. At any rate, I think there's no question that the US has turned the corner on every basis: politically, socially, morally, and now, economically…
L: Okay, but, Doug, you said that in 1979 too. The question is, how do we know when the door is going to close?
Doug: [Laughs.] Well, sometimes I feel a little like the boy who cried wolf. But Roman writers like Tacitus and Sallust saw where Rome was going before it got completely out of control. Should they have said nothing, for fear of being too early? Here in the US, it should have gone over the edge back in the 1980s, but we got lucky. There was still a lot of forward momentum, which can last for decades when you're speaking of civilizations. There was the computer productivity boom. The Soviet Union collapsed, China liberalized, and Communism was discredited everywhere except on US college campuses. The end of the Cold War opened up vast areas of the world to the global market. And most surprising of all, Volker tightened up the money supply and interest rates went high, causing people to save money and stop borrowing to consume.
L: That's not happening this time.
Doug: No. We got lucky back then. Since the '90s we've had a long and totally phony, debt-driven boom that's now come to an end. I feel very confident that there's no way out this time. There are huge distortions and misallocations of capital that have been cranked into the system for two decades. And not just in the US this time, but in Europe, China, Japan, and elsewhere.
The US is very clearly on the decline. The fact that in spite of bankrupting military expenditures to no gain for the American people, those in power are talking overtly and aggressively about attacking more countries – Iran and Pakistan in particular – is extremely grave. The fact that they attacked Libya – which, incidentally, is going to turn into a total disaster, a civil war that will last for years – shows it's not stopping. Sure, Obama brought troops home from Iraq – another disaster that's going to remain a disaster for years to come – but at the same time he put a company of combat troops in Uganda, of all places and Marines in Australia, to provoke the Chinese.
Back home, I've read reports that people are being stopped for carrying gold coins out of the US, in Houston in particular. Now we have authorization of the military to detain US citizens, on US soil, with no trail, and indefinitely, on the verge of becoming law. And Predator Drones have been used to hunt down farmers on their own ranches.
I could go on and on. This is not like spotting early signs of decay in America's expansionist wars of the 19th century or things getting worse with FDR. Most people can't see it with all the noise and confusion, but we've reached the edge of the precipice.
L: Don't worry about exactly where the edge is, just assume it's there and take appropriate action?
Doug: Yes. It really is there. It's a clear and present danger. But most Americans are as oblivious as most Germans were in the '30s. In fact, most of them support what's going on, just as most Germans supported their government in the '30s and '40s.
L: So… don't worry about figuring out exactly when the gates will shut. Assume they are shutting now?
Doug: That's right. One should be actively and vigorously looking to expatriate assets, cash, and even one's self. A prudent person will always be diversified politically and internationally.
L: What about people who have jobs they can't continue doing from abroad and who need the income?
Doug: They should still prepare, as best they can, to be ready to go on a vacation when things get hot – a vacation from which they might not return for a long time. All that needs happen, with the hysteria that's building in the US, is for a major terrorist incident – real or imagined – to occur. Homeland Security will lock the country down. I hate to admit it, but I'm almost starting to credit the stories about those FEMA camps.
Look, I know it sounds extreme, and the comparison to pre-WWII Germany has been made many times, but it bears repeating. Germany was the most literate, civilized, and even mellow, in some ways, country in Europe. It was much admired all around the world – a nation of shopkeepers, small farmers, and scholars. But the whole character of the place started changing in 1933, and it just got worse and worse. By the end of 1939, if you weren't out, you were done.
L: [Pauses] Well, not a cheerful thought. Actions to take?
Doug: Things we've said before: Set up foreign bank accounts in places you like to travel, while you can. Set up vault arrangements for physical precious metals outside the US. Buy foreign real estate that you'd like to own, because it can't be forcibly repatriated. Offshore asset protection trusts are a good idea too. Become an International Man. Let me emphasize that US taxpayers should stay within all US laws, because the consequences of breaking them are unbelievably draconian.
Generally, one simply must internationalize one's assets. The biggest danger investors face, by far, is not market risk – huge as that will be – but political risk. The only way to insulate yourself from such risk is to diversify yourself politically and geographically.
L: Right then… words to the wise. Thanks for your insight.
Doug: You're welcome. Most won't, but I just hope readers listen.
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You got it Joe, ever since we started wrenching it away from the Spaniards, we've been in trouble since.
From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli.
I still can't log in!
Try as you might to avoid political dysfunction, be assured it will find you no matter where you go, save the grave.
I don't know man, is robbing the Pharoh's graves political. Just askin'.
When Americans emigrate enmasse there will be no safehavens and indeed most expats will have targets on their backs. Stay here and fundamentally change America ... by removing those from power that have already 'fundamentally transformed America'.
I think we should all just blame Adam and Eve.
That BITCH!!! She was told to leave that damned apple alone!
chicks lose their minds when you put a long snake in front of em
It is funny how every conversation must include a 'blame' section. Somehow we must rise above all the petty bickering and...
Just kidding! Its all the Republicans fault!
No! It's the Reptilians, The Vatican, The Jews, The Illuminati, The CFR, The Bilderbergs, The Rockefellers, The Rotschilds, The Morgans, The Warburgs, The CIA, Mossad, The Jews again...
Just kidding... I don't believe in Reptilians
there's a history channel special on what happened to the people of Germany after WWII, the ones who migrated to the countries which the Reich either invaded or was politically embedded. these Germans had their land and money taken, and they were exported back to Germany with nothing. they became statistics, that is German people who starved to death in Germany after the war. now Argentina recently lost a war with a colonial power, by way of analogy (Thatcher/Reagan) and while they've happy in ARG to see your money now, sleep with one eye open.
there is no way anyone will convince me to trust the government of any Central or South American country, over that of my own. these are places where armed rebels have been fighting the government for generations. and if you are uber wealthy you may pull it off, but the joe six packs of the world should stay home or a lot of them are going to end up like Fred C Dobbs.
and besides if you don't believe in this country, what have you got?
We've got outrselves, our families, our tribes, our race, our heritage, our traditions, our Civilisation.
All you've got is the US of A...and she's heading for a fall.
So what. We'll get back up and still kick ass economically, exceptionally, morally, fantastically, etc. etc. Wherever you are from, south or north boston, you'll still be there and we will be HERE.
The gratefull
"besides if you don't believe in this country, what have you got?"
I,m sure alot off Germans said the same about Hitler
The country, USA, is no longer the embodiment of the ideas and values of the enlightenment, and those are what truly matter. Any piece of land can be the beacon of liberty if the people are willing to make it that way.
Unfortunately, the American education system and the vast majority of propaganda propagation channels do not promote or endorse anything resembling the foundations of America. The Statists have won the battle for the minds of a large swath of people through structured stupidification(school systems) and glorification of ignorance(Jersey Shore). The Statists have won the battle for allegiance through transfer payments.
Unless one believes that the average American is willing to stand up and die for ideas he or she probably couldn't articulate in the first place, the time to leave is now.
I agree with everything but the last six words. Why does everyone assume there's a fucking better place to go? Even doomers smoke hopium.
What about staying and trying to unfuck the situation?
There's a lot of people broker than a joke, like me, where leaving isn't really an option.
I plan on starting over locally, and shooting anyone bringing up fractional reserve banking concepts.
Let'em go, bubba. Remember what that real American said so eloquently: “Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” Samuel Adams said other stuff also that is really heart thumbing radical, but I like this quote the most. We're better off without them. You know, 5th column shit and all.
That's all nice and fine, but pray tell in which other country the average citizen is willing to stand up and die for ideas, and those ideas are not too far away from the foundations of America?
I'd say it depends on where you live.
"these are places where armed rebels have been fighting the government for generations"
Ever heard of "School of the Americas", aka Fort Benning? There's your answer right there.
Imo, People who need to believe in organizations, establishments, and traditional social constructs like "This country", lack the cognitive flexibility to construct their own beliefs and live free from peer pressure.
I think this article has merit for those who can discern the difference between taking pride in one's nation's progress, and rabid jingoism displayed by individuals who couldn't even point to their own country on an atlas. If you find yourself constantly defending immoral/unethical acts committed by your government, you can, a) change your government if you are lucky, or b) leave, or c) become immoral to fit in with the rest of the apes. The 3rd option is what most Americans seem to prefer, which is not unlike the Germans in the 1930's, or any other nation in history.
the third option is to go off the grid. what you are seeing in Iowa contradicts your view that people become immoral to fit it, if anything people develop more hardened moral values, become less flexible and less tolerant. what happened in Germany WWII bears this out, the German people had a complete rejection of modern art and modern culture, in short they a very narrow and intolerant view of their culture, and any non-aryan types. the notion that you can live outside any social structure is fallacy as well, when you abrogate your social responsibility fascism is what you get.
I don't have the time today, so I'll be blunt. I've already listed 3 options, so your "Off grid" option would be fourth. I don't see a lot of Americans living off the land and scrounging in forests munching on squirrels, so that option is clearly lacking in takeup rate. As for hardened "moral" values: Becoming less flexible and less tolerant usually equates to extinction. You are confusing Malthus with Darwin, like most Americans who never read The Origin of Species. I would also suggest you read Solomon Asch's work on conformity, and Stanley Milgram's work on obedience to authority before blurting out a mish-mash of crap about intolerance, modern art, fascism and culture of pre-war Germany.
I DO however agree that living outside ALL social structure is a fallacy. We are, after all, social animals and tend to get mentally/physically ill without companionship. I also didn't ignore personal responsibility to make one's nation a better place - that was my first option a). If this option fails, and according to the results of Iowa, it is failing after the disgusting way Dr.Paul has been treated in the media, then it is time to bail or fight. I do not recommend the latter to anyone who has romantic notions of violence.
Finally, (I've spent more time on this than I really should), when it comes to "moral values", we can quickly bog down in a quagmire of crap. It's all ethos anyway, but I simplify mine with three that I will not tolerate: Assault, Theft and Murder. And if you could possibly look at the behaviour of tptb from the point of view of someone outside your country, you will quickly realize that these intolerable acts are enacted daily by the US government within and without, as well as gearing up to do more in the Middle East. As the article hinted, the USA may have passed the point of return, as far as fascism is concerned, a long time ago and evolved it to "Corporatism" supported by the solid foundation of the most prolific and effective media/propaganda machine we've ever known. You are not free. It is interesting that fascists always steal words like "Freedom" for their own use - look at German propaganda circa 1938.
PS. As a fellow Brit, I feel I need to defend Hugh Laurie whose image you have stolen for your use. As far as I know, he has done nothing to deserve the ignominy of being associated with your posts, so please consider using somebody/something else.
whew don't even want to start on you people, Britian is an island nation like Japan, with a unique language. when you get rid of the royal family I'll talk to you
the grateful
I guess my point can be made by watching , the fine fokes of the U S on black friday.
Yes you can shoot them , Yes you can hide out , Yes you can live like a refugee
If that is how you want to live.
In my opinion, it seems easier if we all got together, a million or so individuals and moved to the same state. A state like Montana, Idaho or South Dakota, somewhere where there is a relative low amount of people. Idaho has just a little more than a million people. You could take over the entire political system. There are far more than a million RP supporters... Just a thought I guess.
55 men
Forget Idaho, the Feds own 80+ of the entire state lands.
Texas is where to come( thenFeds own very little of Texas lands),need ports, trees,lakes, water supplies, and lots of like minded people.Who are friendly, and get along, until your push them.
Public lands is what makes Idaho great, and Texas suck.
He said; as the drone with heat detecting radar silently watched from above and cocked it's pm seeking missile. just kidding. couldn't happen here, right. Texas has it's demerits (he's re-assessing his pres. bid though) and it's merits (great mexican food), however, it's so dern cold in Idaho.
East Texas is a good area, lower population, water, timber, cattle, quality built homes to name a few.
It's already being done, click on the Alt-market read on the left of screen under ZH reads. Who is John Galt?
Look into the "Free State Project" - it's already being done in New Hampshire.
Lotsa nukes in the ground in the states you just mentioned. FYI...
Double post sorry
A valid passport. Assets offworld. and a SSTO Skipjack-class dropship on standby.
Other than that, I'm just an 'ol country boy.
I agree with you. As bad as it is here, its better than most places. After traveling around the world for my job, it is always good to come home. I love my country. That doesn't mean I trust or even like politicians or the Federal Government. I don't. However, I think it has always been this corrupt, its just that it is so big now that it is in your face. It will come to an end because hubris always destroys itself and nature abhors a monopoly. We will be cut down to size ... its just a matter of time. And that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Like you, I think Casey is a bit over the top. Okay, so they are questioning people about their gold in Houston. Is that the end of the world as we know it? I don't like it. But FDR confiscated gold. What's worse? And the FEMA camps? Why don't you ask an older Japanese American or a Cherokee about camps? Shameful.
Nicolai Kondratiev recognized the patterns of credit and history long ago and even showed how autharitorianism and war is likely to breakout at the end of a cycle. Now we are at the end of the biggest credit cycle ever and the consequences are going to be very ugly. Yes, TPTB are preparing for a war and part of that is a setup for martial law; to silence dissent. Do I like it? Hell no. Can it be stopped? Probably not. Regardless, this downturn is global and its going to be painful for many, many people. On a relative basis, we are probably better off than most. Besides, at the end of the winter, even if we end up at the bottom of the heap, I will stay here where I was born because this is where I belong (even if it is in a Bruce Springsteen sorta way).
Sadly w can thank
"OMGAWD, they killed FREDDIE !!!!!!"
@ the ungrateful ...
and besides if you don't believe in this country, what have you got?
Babylon, anybody?
who is doug casey calling a Niger
However, our standard of living, while declining, is still very high, both relatively and absolutely
That's the thing. Back in the 30s-40s people had nothing. And there weren't any medias out there to show how the world was or how the rich were living, so people, unable to compare themselves, took it like it was no big deal.
Hell I remember reading an interview from a guy who was BORN, yes BORN, in a North Korean concentration camp and lived there for almost all his life... he never thought there was something outside of that camp until another prisoner illegally talked (yes you cannot talk between prisoners) to him about the outside world... it gave him hope and dreams and that's how he escaped... and then he made his way to South Korea.
It's like Plato's cave and shadows analogy... if people don't know that there's other stuff that exist, 99.9% of people will just take it.
That's the goal of the elite... reduce everyone standard of living till it's low for everybody and all the ones who lived ``in better times when people were free and rich`` are dead so they cannot remember... it's a long process, but it's ``worth the wait`` for the elite.
Anyway I don't know if I made any sense, but eh.
Take a moment to consider what caused you to write this passage:
That's the goal of the elite... reduce everyone standard of living till it's low for everybody and all the ones who lived ``in better times when people were free and rich`` are dead so they cannot remember... it's a long process, but it's ``worth the wait`` for the elite.
Doubtful. But if I'm wrong and the fear-mongerer who put this in your head is right, then somebody needs to tell 'the elites' to shut down the Bravo TV shop ASAP
http://www.shopbybravo.com/
These Real Houswives of Atlanta DVDs will be in my family for generations to come. Even if it's just to remind the kids of how good things used to be.
The elite end up fucking dead just like everyone else. They don't escape mortality. When it gets bad enough another revolution will take place. It just has not got that bad yet for enough people. History is full of revolutions and my American eductational backround has taught me enough to know that. Although don't ask me to elaborate because I can't. I was not really paying attention. I know a lot of tea was thrown off a boat for some reason.
Hard to argue with much of that.
It will prove difficult for most folk to follow much or any of that advice. In fact, much of it would have been addressed at the upper 1%. Most of us don't even travel internationally least of all buy land in foreign countries. Hard to become international man on a 5-figure salary with a wife and kids to look over.
I think the best advice may have been lost in translation; most people will have to keep their real feelings to themselves in order to avoid prison, gulag or death. But at the same time strike a moral balance between seeming to support the regime and actually doing the right thing. There are countless examples from history of groups of people working under the regime radar to retain their own human dignity. It is not without risk -- death still awaits the unlucky -- but for those of us without the means to flee an oppressive or corrupt regime underground resistance is the only way to remain free -- and human.
Yep. His investment ideas are only for the millionaires... and even then... So people are getting prepared in other ways... like buying guns in record numbers.
Hopefully all those guns won't be surendered no matter what BS the government pulls like they did in Australia and in the UK.
The slaves will surrender their arms. Look into the aftermath of Katrina for proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?
Depends on where you are. Much of the south had to pass state laws forbidding the confiscation of private arms under declaration of martial law as the population was a bit worked up over all that.
Surprisingly the MSM in New York and California seemed to ignore it entirely, guess they didnt want others getting ideas.
Ain't the whole point of declaring martial law is to suspend the laws? So whatever laws prohibiting confiscation of weapons under martial law are null and void?
Not in an area where resistance to and contempt for the central government is considered a time honored tradition. The prospect of having to take on local police forces in addition to a very heavily armed citizenry skilled in the use of long guns is an entirely different matter for federals.
Family is why we do what we do. Good priorities.
Ha-ha!!! The Partisan Underground. I have an 1890 stone (small) mansion in MT with walls 2' thick. I need steel plates for the Windows though. Working on the enclosing walls (.4 acre), well and solar panels. We'll see. I agree that most of us don't have the means to escape, but maybe to at least 'gird our loins' better. Meanwhile, TPTB are preparing to go sub-orbital--that's what all this "space-tourism" is about--developing infra for the ultimate "gated community." Down here, we'll have to band together That's why the Aryans--who I DO NOT agree with--are here and in ID I think.
Greetings from the hi-line!
Everything worth doing is hard to do. I am an "international man" with a 5-figure salary and a wife and kids (none of whom work for money). It's a matter of finding which of your skills are valuable to people hiring outside the country, finding the right employer after a LOT of work and committing to learn a language besides English...this was all they asked of us in high school for God's sake. Now that everything is at stake it shouldn't be hard to muster the energy.
Great advice for all the Fu*Ktards who jumped on the Financialization of EVERYTHING band wagon sucking every last drop of value out of what was once a great nation.
It's very convenient to blame TPTB for destroying America and bailing out. There is not question that TPTB are total deviant assholes but none of you complained about them as long as you could use their machinations to suck money out out of the system and enrich yourselves.
And now that the future of sucking looks like it is running dry you say fuck USA I'm taking my "hard earned wealth" and getting the fuck out.
This little inconvenient truth I outlined says more about the collapse of America than anything else you all talk about here.
Via con Dios Suckers!
Unfortunately, this is very true. Amerian's alive today became wealthy stealing from the future, though they will protest otherwise. Since 1971 that has been the game, and almost nobody raised a fuss until recently when the music stopped and the game was over.
The future is still out there. Still ticking. Still rolling closer in its patient way. And more than a few of us will still be around when the future calls in that loan it made us years ago, and all the McMansions, Chevy Suburbans and 70" TVs in the country won't be enough to feed that beast. No, we will likely feed it with our very flesh and blood.
BS. I'm an American, I'm not materially wealthy but am getting by and preparing for the future, come what may, I will instill in my family that we live in a FREE country that others want to destroy before the IDEA of life, liberty and unalienable rights gets to their subjects. I don't have any loans but I do have a debt I intend to pay back to those that died defending our IDEA. GBA and RICO all banksters, their whore politicians and IMPEACH the current DOJ.
Not all Americans believe in, or practice, debt financing their luxury. And some of us have been raising a fuss for years as the fiat ponzi, and eligible paper, have crowded out rational investment and risk taking.
Who the fuck said anything about being wealthy? I just want to be free, which is applicable to a mental state as well. You know, Life,Liberty and The pursuit of Happiness? And although I live in an area of the US which most of you would easily categorize as 'the sticks,' I'm not ready to believe a reversal in the collective conscience of our citizens will happen soon or for the better.
Just because a few psychopaths thousands of miles from my front doorstep decided it would be a great idea to get a bunch of idiots to kill off fellow humans in the quest for global domination, doesn't mean I was a part of that idea nor sponsored it.
And yes, I called the members of our armed forces idiots.
it should have gone over the edge back in the 1980s, but we got lucky.
Lucky? More like it was the beginning of the ultimate credit bubble that is in the process of bursting.
The ultimate credit bubble began in the 1990's when Greenspan lowered rates to almost 3% in 1993.
That was a good article, but I would have to disagree in about the high point of America. Casey set it in the 1960's, but that was a bubble economy which was remedied by the high interest rates of the 1970's and 1980's. From 1955 to 1965, rates were basically held to 4% and under.
For all of those who don't see the inflation out there, I would also like to point out that THE REAL INFLATION DIDN'T START UNTIL THE LATE 1970'S, AFTER RATES BEGAN TO BE RAISED. What happened was that all of those investments that people thought were good investments with low interest rates were revealed to be malinvestments when the higher rates came, therefore letting the inflation genie out of the bottle. So what we can expect from here is to actually get the inflation when rates are raised. Same thing with gold prices..when rates are raised is when we'll really see gold go up.
TheSilverJournal.com
Same thing with gold prices..when rates are raised is when we'll really see gold go up.
You've got it completely bass-ackwards.
No I don't. Take a second to comprehend what I'm saying before you comment. The further rates are lowered (they're already at 0%, but more QE can and will be pumped in), eventually, the higher gold will be. But the big jump will come when rates actually start to be raised because that's when all of the problems are exposed.
Just look at what happened in the 1970's. The big jump in gold came as rates were being raised. The big jump in inflation came as rates were being raised.
I'll repeat again, the longer rates are being held low, eventually means higher prices, but the real jump starts when the problems are revealed which is when rates are raised.
TheSilverJournal.com
My, aren't you a c-o-g in the machine?
lulz.
it's better to be 10 years too early than 1 day late. Thanks to Soetero and the useful idiots in Congress that voted for NDAA, Amerika is now officially a police state. We can violate the constitution at will because we can and we must keep you safe don't-cha-know. Belize and Nevis are a great place to start your new journey sheeple.
http://vegasxau.blogspot.com
Horsehit:
"You could make an argument, from a moral point of view, that things started heading downhill at the time of the Spanish-American War. That was when a previously peaceful and open country first started conquering overseas lands and staking colonies." (emphasis added)
Or, you could embrace reality and see that the US was a nation already founded on theft, graft and genocide, after 130 years of native population extirpation and exploitation, one-sided treaties, and bogus land deals. I'm no basher of my mother-country, but let's at least have an intellectually honest dialog about what went down. We started killing indians en mass shortly after we kicked King George back to Jolly Ol', and didn't let the pedal up until the got too few to slaughter in the big numbers that cavalry generals demand. So we took a brief time-out to brawl with the Mexicans, and then turned our eyes overseas. Hence, the battle with Spain.
Just because the taken lands were on the same continent until 1898, doesn't mean the US wasn't colonialist, imperialist, and expansionist.
That said, I won't argue that it's time to go
Like Emily Dickenson, who "went to church by staying at home," I intend to leave my government while staying right here.
It will go, in other words, not me, this being our country's founding principle, the time for reasserting long overdue.
Amen! Hope to see you on the playing field.
If only we were playing. But look forward to seeing you there nonetheless.
Well! If you're gonna mix horseshit, morals, decimated native inhabitants in the same post about the good ol' U S of A, you should start your timeline a little sooner, like maybe 1620. If you think the good ol' U S of A is colonialist, imperialist and expansionist then let me say you should read something other than manifesto's. This country, the good ol' USA has pulled troops out of more conquered countries, than any other nation. The only conquered areas we kept are Kalifas and Texas, spoils of war but better off now than if they were still parts of Mexico, and who's to say the reconquista has already taken place. We, as a taxpayer, have given, GIVEN more of our national treasure to other countries than the rest of the countries on the planet, combined. We, as a citizen, have made mistakes, we will make more mistakes. We are only human. Better than the mistakes of a Hitler or a Stalin or a president for life like the tin horn dictators are today. If the good ol' U S Of A had been so inclined, we, as a desendent of 350 years of Americans, could have taken over the world at the end of WWII. That said, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. As that great man Samuel Adams so eloquently stated “Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
Texas fought its own war of revolution for its own freedom well before the Mexican-American War. The US Army did not partiicpate in the Texas Revolution (although some former US Army soldiers did fight in it for the promise of land). Funny (the ironic/haha kind) that L does not know that (nor that the Spanish-American War was after the Civil War or that the Mexican-American War was before it) in light of his chide of what Mexican schoolkids are taught.
Not sure I get the connection between 21st century USA and pre-WWII Germany, but I guess in Zionist Hollywood anything is possible.
Me neither.
The rise of the Nazis was a reaction to the economic, political, and social excesses of ther Weimar Republic, which is some ways was much like the present regime.
In both cases, the Usual Suspects (The Chosenites) were (in large part) to blame.
We must hope we get our own Hitler.
That reminds me. The Zionists actively collaborated with the Nazis. Go figure.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/09/07/Nazi_Zionism.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXToLHiDUnY
"German Jewish settlement in Palestine was official Nazi policy." Huh. Whaddya know.
I wonder if Joe "I'm a Zionist" Biden knows about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZmO80dLfE
Never read Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? Especially the rise part, going from memory, around pp. 200-350?
From control of the voters, to the media, to false flags, to the Empowering Act, to war machine; open your eyes, and see the same has happened here, just on an extended timeline.
Published by Simon and Schuster for mass consumption? No. Never read it.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4224
WOW. They really are out to get you, aren't they?
That was me
Doug Casey has been selling this shit for a long time.
I do believe that this country is on a slide, but I know snake oil when I see it.
I stopped reading after this-
"While everyone understands that Democrats are socialists just under the surface,..."
That just deligitimizes his intellect.
Indeed. It's right there on the surface in plain view, unhidden.
Democracy IS FOR soliciasts you fucking clown. The whole idea of majority rule is far off in leftist wonderland.
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Snake oil? No you're just a faggot who is envious of someone successfully selling something.
Doug Casey has been selling this shit for a long time.
I do believe that this country is on a slide, but I know snake oil when I see it.
US is a dictatorship going bankrupt so we should escape to Argentina or Chile?
Argentina went bankrupt in recent memory and Chile suffered brutal dictatorship until 20 years ago. Europe and Canada has aging demographics. East and South Asia are overpopulated and will probably verging on resource war. Russia is ruled by mafia. People flee Brazil's favela violence. Australia will crash along with China. Anyway Australia will soon run out of water. Africa has intenecine wars and gut wrenching poverty. Middle East..well..is reeling under it's so called spring. US is the best there is. It has water, clean air, plenty of land, good infrastructure, democracy,great universities and innovative people. It's not just the guy from some poor village in Niger who wants to come here. Brightest people form Shanghai, Mumbai, Moscow, Damascus, Rome, Accra, Tel Aviv, Oxaca, Beunos Aires, Caracas, all want to come here. So how about staying put and try to turn things around?
If you are looking for a great place to connect to a society that will be insulated, connected, protective and protected ... try the Kenai Peninsula. Summers are perfect, winters are tolerable
I spent a week kayaking & camping in Kachemak Bay, living off just the wild food that I could gather from the forest, shore and water, with no difficulty or discomfort at all. Very fond memories.
But can you buy shallots there? ;-)
Sadly 90% here will not take the first step and cancel cable or satellite TV. The elites control the masses through TV. Your viewership keeps them in control.
Costa Rica is gorgeous, and welcomes Americans. Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Mexico, the same, except more risky. Italy's countryside and food is marvelous, if they'll let you stay. I could as I'm elegible to be a dual citizen upon request. The non-tourist islands in the Bahamas are real nice, got a BiL who has Galted his way down there, but I get bored with sand and salt water after a while. Plus, you can't get a decent steak.
There's nothing like travel abroad to make you appreciate the good old USA. As far as the coming festivities, just move to the country and you'll be fine. Very few of you will have the resources to move internationally, and leaving family that far behind is problematic for many. The big cities are spiraling into chaos, but out in real America, things are and will be comparatively nice and calm.
Your right and nicely put to boot +1
Not according to Victor David Hansen; or Ferfal will the "real America" stay calm and nice. You are alone or a few in rural living, won't be able to stay up 7/24 to protect your family. You might want to go check out Hanson's and Ferfal's blog, Ferfal lives in Argentina and he is trying to legally immigrate to the US, while Hanson lives on a farm that has been in his family for generations in Califas. Prepare for some bad times, get to know your neighbors, embrace your family and participate in our electoral process. GBA, RICO all banksters and their whore politicians and IMPEACH the current DOJ.
VD Hansen is a gigantic neocon douchenozzle. Ferfal at least has lived through Argentina's troubles.
So the ubiquitous crime VDH regularly reports on from the imploding hinterlands of Kalifornia isn't happening then ?
Because he's a particular kind of "douchenozzle", or an oversized one? Or would just "neocon" do the trick?
If the latter, how does that orientation make his OBSERVATIONS about the state of things in rural California false?
City boys and city bitches don't do well in the styx, unless they have practical skills or a hot ass. Ferfal views the countryside from the perspective of a nanny state city bitch boy (3rd world style). Yes, you have to do more stuff yourself and take some risks in the countryside- hence red neck- as opposed to pasty white bitch, but the coloring is the same- even in Argentina. The only difference is the height of the fall from fictitous wealth to real poverty as the kleptocrat statists lose control of the economy.
Agreed. I just donated about 20 usd to that pussy and I'd have to say that anyone NOT residingin amajor populace for gd near the entirety of their lives would have every reason to laugh at some of the suggestions there.
Ferfal's book in summation: I didn't know this was going to happen, and then I started reading the most elementary shtf blogs and added my own mad max fantasies. Self published a book of nonsense at 1000's % earnings and then laughed through an economic crisis while stupid Americans paid for my exploits.
Any idiot with a zombie brain could read through his bullshit. Think for yourselves people, but FFS, THINK.
I come from a Central American country, and I have been living in the states most of my life. The US is so FAR from becoming CA in the 70s. It is unbelievable how many people think that Mad max is going to be coming to town soon. Many of those countries are great places to visit but You might not want to live there. Latin America for Gringos is a BIG culture shock. Bureaucracy moves in a different time continuum, language, food, and You are moving to a poorer country, so can't expect the same standard of living. The people's mentality is very different. I often jokes with my friends back home, that locals can always point out what the problem is with any idea I present, but American always give You the answer. Good can do attitude.
If you absolutely need a change of scene, go spend a few months in the country. Be careful, a lot of countries like Panama and Nicaragua have good programs but once You sink money in the country they can start tapping You fast. Americans in Costa Rica might as well have a dollar sign tattoo in their heads. Many were trapped trying to sell their properties because they had money issues (courtesy of recession) back in the states. Look for low density countries like Uruguay. Canada is very welcoming to foreigners. Especially, if you are well educated, have money or business experience.
Canada is very welcoming to foreigners. Especially, if you are well educated, have money or business experience.
See, this is the difference between how we have always been, and it's cost us big time.
The other countries with living stds even close to the US, DO NOT want your ass, (unless your an immediate producer, and a help to them)We TOOK everyone,that's why we should WIN here, or at least be buried in the country we were born into , fought for, and that took/takes care of a huge portion of the worlds needy, and poor.
We have done more than our share of crappy things, but not ONE nation can claim to have been there,spent more, by almost anyone in need globally since I have been alive.( A long time)
We always hear the world, and left wingers bitching about our energy use,% of resources compared to the population %...............never do we see the figures $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ doled out for the rest of them in need.
NEVER
I often said that in the future, one of the most feared phrases to have a group a guys say to you will be;
"You ain't from around here are ya?"
You had best be 'Local' and blend in if you can.
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Imagine been the equivalent of a Mexican (no offense please) in a rich country. The Sins of your country WILL follow you. Every country doing well has their <fill in the blank> foreigner population. In Costa Rica is Nicaraguans, in Chile is Peruvians, and on and on.
People in the US still have a very good thing going. People in other countries hate the US government, banks, commercialism, army etc. Hell, the same people screwing us now started with them until they wised up. However, the average American is very well regarded as a hard worker, innovator, educative, and creative people. Many countries are quick to adopt fashion, music and American culture in general. And social causes here percolate internationally. I cannot smoke a fucken cigarette inside any bar in Central America. Thanks a lot You Puritan bastards.
Here is a piece of info might make the point and make you laugh a bit. In Guatemala, there are many indigenous people whose first name is Mister. Named after some American that has gone there to help out. That is a compliment if I ever saw one.
I lived in Honduras for a couple of years, Panama also, spent time in Guatemala, Belize, Quintana Roo, El Salvador, etc. I can confirm most of what you wrote. I used to dream about retiring down there until I aquired a wife and family. I understand now I'm better off stateside. We got to change things here, not run away.
I am Guatemalan born. Have been gone there a few times there in the past years to see if there were any possibilities. Colombia to Mexico is ridden with gangs and drug lords. Colombia has cleaned up a lot, but it took a blood bath or two.At any rate, I will stand my ground in the US. This is another Immigrant You will have to deal with bitches.
Check the first link. I find it funny, but, of course, it isn't. Check the father an kids in the car taking photos of all the dead narcos in the road. It is as ig they came a cross a her of dear or some other side road attraction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Cfl3vaSDw
Just some info on war and drug wars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsEbhDAsdic
ah yes, beautiful Cafeyate Argentina, a beautiful desert, sparsely populated with no honest judicial or banking system, no water, no hospitals, no policia (but 2 gurillaistas), no mechanics of any sort, with a new (partly built) development hawked by a 1%'er snake oil newsletter salesman; who needs to sell another lot. What a crock. RR said it best. This is the last best place on earth (or something to that effect). Real men will stay and defend our birthrights. Don't let the door hit you in your chickenshit ass Casey.
signed,
Whipped dog, peasant, physcologicaly constrained serf, NOT.
Argentina is beautiful, but as an America get ready to hear criticism night and day. They think that we sit around the breakfast table planning how we are going to screw them for the day. Argentina is a wonderful place if You are Argentinian.
+1 for the tortoise.
"let us forget he was our countryman" comes to mind. Stay and fight.
"Real men stay and defend our birthrights" - you sound like a fucking clown trying to be a hero. This whole idea of "stay behind and defend the land you were born on" is so dumb and tribal and obsolete that it's hilarious. I can't wait until we evolve past your silly nationalistic mentality.
Also, nothing makes you look more pathetic than trying to slander someone as a "snakeoil" salesman. What does that weak, predictable psuedo-insult even mean? Does his investment advice not work? Do his products not work? Be specific.
I guarantee you're a 9-to-5 faggot who's never run a real successful business in your life, hence your jealousy of his success.
One argument that has not been made about this "waiting for THE turning point".... some kind of "end point" to a "beginning point".....
Why does this "end point" even matter to you? Oh sure, because then stuff magically explodes.... okay, that may matter if one plans to stay anyways, and needs to prepare..... okay....
....but why does it matter if you plan to leave "soon enough"? Why do you plan to leave at the last possible moment....... rather than, the point at which the state of things goes beyond what you're willing to live in?
It may sound like trivial hairsplitting, but i think that it tells a lot about own motivations, that one doesn't want to acknowledge: If one wants to leave, because one doesn't want to live in a totalitarian dictatorship and/or a bloody civil war... you know, the transition from one to the other, isn't binary.... it's not as if a wonderful superhappy great nation in a fraction of a second suddernly turns into hell.
So, since there is a gradient, there must in terms of liberty, culture and other stuff be a threshold grey-area, at which "living here" becomes unacceptable to you. SO, why would you not leave when that range is approached, rather than waiting for some binary "end point" at which you cannot leave anymore?
What is this about: Not having to change one's own life, as long as one could still stay - or chaging one's life when it severally goes against what one considers acceptable?
The dude being interviewed is sort of "averaging in" to his GTH outta dodge position, with his approach of getting your assets overseas progressively.
when the SHTF this time it will be like the fall of the roman empire...there wont be anywhere to hide. the bankers shit on the usa and now they think they can just leave...to where...? uraguay...right....every third world country dictator is just waiting to take all your shit. there will be no hiding this time.........
Aren't you assuming, that the entire ponzi globally falls simultaneusly?
how can a 'global' ponzi NOT fall all at the same time...? all fiat will be worthless at the same time (relatively)...how could it be otherwise...it is all shite. sure, some cities/countries might not have open slaughter (like iceland) but there will be pain everywhere and you are not going to have a million starving pheasants and a few uber rich with all the food.....
While fiat may be the big enabler, are you sure that the ponzi is restricted to nothing else than control of banking? What about all the megacorps that currently benefit from the abusive system? What about the politicians that benefit from the abusive system.....
does an established MOTIVATION, instantly globally disappear, if it's favorite TOOL goes kaputt? If we had a completely different system, but the same people with the same parasitary intentions in power positions..... would the system not be abused for the same old intentions?
Okay, you could argue that a different system, would discourage the current actions of the kleptocracy..... heck, okay, lets even assume that it magically begins to purge the parasites......
...still does not make it instant?....
Purpose =/= Tool
your 'purpos'e or 'tool' had better have some 9mm or 7.62 attached to it or you will find out how instant instant is when the food stops.
the modern world is fiat...without it..without debt/credit...all systems stop.
Good luck with those 9mm and 7,62 outside of the USA, where in the majority of western countries, guns are practically outlawed, and thus the popular revolt starts out with near zero guns.
Here's another infobit... a not hypothetical one, but a historic one. I live in germany. When east germany fell among revolts, very soon afterwards, germany for the first time in many many years got a new significant party, compromised of the east german "resistance" as well as east german gov politicians.... it in just a few years got 4-8% of the vote, and after east german states were finished snuffing the hopium of the west, were disillusioned, the party voter share among east german states exploded.
That party at first started out, by simply copying the earlier communist ideals, and criticizing some of the crap, that the more established german parties did. It took them almost 15 years, to reform the party-culture into a hardcore leftwing party..... at that point representing the ideals, which previously german equivalent of the "democrats" followed (those "democracts" in the meantime, became the same shit as what now is the democrats in the USA... thus, the hardcore-left, from ex-east german communists, replacing their earlier ideals).
A handful of years, for those removed from power, grappling new power. 15 Years for them to change.
Bottom line: If all your plan for a revolution, consists of destroying the current head of the hydra, and you have no plans for afterwards, believing that from then on, it will be "mission accomplished", then you're in for a rude awakening.
A black market is a system, and black markets operate just fine during collapse. In these instances it helps to be prepared to barter.
I'm inclined to think that if you think things are going south it's best to stay close to your community connections. Being an outsider isn't such a good thing when times are tough. An outsider with assets is a nice target, and an outsider without assets is a drain.
Fully agree, about connections, organizations, as well as black market. Regardling the later, there however typically is a price to pay. Thus, via the BM you may get hard to get goods, but you will pay extra for it, unless those involved in the BM, aren't to a significant extent producers themselves (in which case, it not really would be a typical black market, but rather simply an autonomous ecconomy not sanctioned by those in power).
rynak...as i am sure you are aware, without the usa basicly feeding the world and east germany/russia for decades...east germany wouldnt have had a black market. at least not as well stocked as it was.....american fiat money paid for the rebuilding of europe..it has fueled this globalization.
what would europe be like if america had been bombed to oblivian after ww2 like europe......the last 60 years, america supported the world economy thru unlimited fiat expansion.
we wont have that as soon as the us dollar fails...there wont be an 'america' for the next 10-25 years. everyone will be on their own so to speak for better or worse.....it will be much harder this time around when the electrons are turned off.
germans are a peculiar people....i am of german descendant. i grew up in german speaking homes.... it is going to be very difficult even for the germans to keep from being consumed.
If you're age 50, I suggest a retirement visa here in Thailand and a Goldmoney account. It's inexpensive to live and when paper money collapses, there's more than enough food. This place isn't Utopia, but I think it beats any Latin American country. But you have to try to get used to all the young women hitting on you daily........
I was going to suggest this but you beat me to it ... like to know more from you
Yes after living and working here in Thailand I can strongly recommend it. They also love Gold which is the accepted unofficial currency and can be bought and sold without the crazy premiums charged in the west. Just avoid the sexpats who tend to congregate in specific tourist areas. Also added advantage of very few Americans but unfortunately lots of Russians.
I personally know several ex and retired military and "other" living in Thailand. It must be good or they wouldn't be there.
Switzerland
Can anyone say anything bad about Switzerland?
I don't know if this is bad, but; you have to be a 1%'er to even vacation there and I don't think they have room for very many immigrants that don't even speak the language.Besides, if the SHTF happens, even France could kick their ass and take all the gold they have that the Nazi's left with them. Just my opinion.
you have to be a 1%'er to even vacation there
That's a good thing. It keeps the rif raf out.
And to your second point, that's the funny thing about Switzerland. When was the last time anyone attacked them? We have this terrorist problem here in the United States but Switzerland is a free and prosperous country and they are thousands of miles closer to the Middle East then the US is. I wonder why they don't have this terrorist problem. It's also against the law to build mosques and wear burkas and I like that personally.
bob_dabolina
bob,
they are an arm of the NWO.
They have sold out, do not want you in, and I think you cannot even begin to get citizenship and/or a Bank account.Plus even if your were accepted, best be worth well into the 7 digits, or they will not even CONSIDER you.
New Zealand(pricey also),but at least nice country.Bottom line there is really no where left to go,only two places left that allow you to become citizens, and get passports, and both are charging well into six figures for that right.
And their islands. Basically blackmail to get in quickly.
I used to admire the Switzerland as a country, no more, their whores as bad or worse than 90% of the others.
the dictators of the past were smart enough not to shit on all their options. hitler didnt bomb switzerland for a reason...just like why he didnt bomb the fuc.k out of the british royalty........out owners today are to bat shit stupid to plan anything...they will all be taking dirt naps with their billions in electronic money.
For a change, i completely agree with you :)
Probably because just about every Swiss male has one of these and is a very good shot. SIG's are very accurate too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_SG_550
The Swiss have been armed since the ??? 13th Century?
Even more troubling for the surrender moneys or neo-nazis- should they start coveting their neighbors' again, should be the utter lack of children running around with missing digits in Switzerland... They ALL start playing with fire crackers basically as toddlers and move on to fireworks as teenagers. With a couple quick lessons could give the central Asians run on the title of IED champs. And when New Year Eve rolls around, and because the Swiss State didn't have to fight a war this year, there is the usual huge supply of explosive material to be detonated on New Years- when the entire country sounds like it is on the wrong side of a US military advance and they blow up more tons of explosive in one night of partying than the US MIC did in all of Iraq last year...
Getting the gold out of the worlds highest density of LBMA certified refiners, private and commercial vaults, and those huge Official per capita reserves, without any bridges or tunnels, and across the Alps, is a lot easier said then done. Today's wannabe marauding barbarians are a bunch of weaklings compared to Hannibal during the 2nd Punic War, and they probably lack the supply of elephants, horses, or other pack animals capable of carrying the heavy loads they never could.
15 years ago, similiar things were said about germany. And germans said similiar things about denmark.
It's just currency and living standard (just, lol). It makes it harder to enter there..... but the people living there, don't even see it. Actually, all they see, when visiting other nations, is that they apparently can with their normal income and savings afford more than others.
Stealth devaluation, bitches! They're not struggling to survive - you are.
The Swiss are there.
The Swiss are there.
Unless you are a Swiss citizen ... you cannot live in Switzerland, you cannot work in Switzerland and if the world is falling apart you won't be able to go to Switzerland
Ahem - if you have a passport of a EU country, you can also enter and work in Switzerland right away, with some paperwork but no "permission" needed.
Can't buy property unless you area Swiss citizen0
Wrong again. You can everything except voting if you have the "Niederlassungsbewilligung", which as a EU or US citizen you usually can get after living and working in Switzerland for 5 years.
I wonder how many German-speaking schoolkids commit suicide at the prospect of spelling bees?
It means "settledownpermit" - spelling is relatively easy, the really hard part is the German grammar!
The German speaking part has a touch of police state, you realize it more the longer you live there.
The French or Italian speaking parts are a bit more relaxed.
For the rest of us who don't make $10 million/year writing fabulous articles on our yacht(s)....
Start buying in bulk from costco/wal-mart/sams club. It's worth the membership fee and if the shit hits the fan you're not living week to week with toilet paper and beans, you can grab all the non-perishables, throw'em in a box and get a move on.
Pack all of this crap as tightly as you can in backpack(s) and keep it in your garage or store it somewhere close by. If/when the shit does hit the fan and you're unsure (say currency collapse, market collapse, hyperinflation, etc) grab your shit and go live off the land for awhile.
This isn't mean to be absolute... I'm just trying to help my fellow man who may or may not have the financial resources available to build himself a castle in the middle of nowhere.
You are having seeds as you are humbly sitting on some land that is belonging to some peoples but are not knowing who while you are having little shitties in the camo-pants you are having on. If you are having the thinking you will be living with the seeds you are carrying with many others junks in your car you are being a silly person who is probably having many fearful dreams and should not be having guns because many other peoples who are thinking like you will be taking your seeds and taking your guns. Many peoples who are living from the land already will be living from the things you are bringing them and they will not be having thanking words to say to you when you bring them silly seeds and guns for taking even more seeds from silly people if they are coming.
I am wanting to be asking you after the reading of your writing about the thinking of holding seeds, are you being from India? I am thinking that I am willing to be betting almost any amount of money (that is being otherwise being reserving for the buying for the holding of the seeds) that you are being an Indian.
In other words, you being needing to be learning to properly being conjugating English verbs in the present tense, and not always being using English verbs that being ending in "--ing", which in most of the cases you were using above were not being properly using.
PS: It would be being much more appropriate for silly peoples like you are being if you would be changing the last two letters of your naming from "----da" to "----nd" (you are needing to be Googling that word, and then you will be understanding the joking).
That is a *classic* reply. I will be framing it on my wall. Looking forward to Mr. Gerund's next post.
Akak - you are a Prick..... I actually wet myself laughing
I am wanting to be thanking both of you good peoples!
needed that laugh :) ..