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Doug Casey Addresses Getting Out of Dodge
Submitted by Doug Casey of Casey Research
Doug Casey Addresses Getting Out of Dodge
L: Doug, a lot of readers have been asking for guidance on how to know when it's time to exit center stage and hunker down in some safe place. Few people want to hide from the world in a cabin in the woods while life goes on in the mainstream, but nobody wants to get caught once the gates clang shut on the police state the US is becoming. How do you know when it's time to go?
Doug: Well, the first thing to keep in mind is that it's better to be a year too early than a minute too late. David Galland recently read They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45, by Milton Mayer. He quoted a passage in his column of last Friday. It goes a long way in explaining why Americans appear to be such whipped dogs today. They're no different from the Germans of recent memory. For those who missed it, let me quote it:
"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even talk, alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' … In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, 'It's not so bad' or 'You're seeing things' or 'You're an alarmist.'
"These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic… the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked… But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C?"
The fact is that the US has been on a slippery slope for decades, and it's about to go over a cliff. However, our standard of living, while declining, is still very high, both relatively and absolutely. But an American can enjoy a much higher standard of living abroad.
On the other hand, if I were some poor guy in a poverty-wracked country with few opportunities, I'd want to go where the action is, where the money is, now. Today, that means trying to get into the United States. The US is headed the wrong direction, but it's still a land of opportunity and a whole lot better than some flea-bitten village in Niger.
L: By the time things get worse than some Third-World dictatorship in the US, such a person could have remitted a whole lot of cash back home.
Doug: And you'd have a whole lot of experiences that would give you a competitive edge back where you came from, or in the next place you go to. The one-eyed man is king in the valley of the blind. People have to lose that backward, peasant mentality that ties them to the land of their birth. Sad to say, although the average American has somewhat more knowledge of the world – mainly due to television – his psychology is just as constrained as that of some serf from central Asia or some primitive village in Africa. It's all a matter of psychology.
But if you're not poor, you want to go someplace that is safe, nice – whatever that means to you – and with a lower cost of living. As most readers know, for me that's Cafayate, Argentina, but one size does not fit all. It needs to be a place you actually enjoy spending some time, with people whose company you enjoy.
L: Fair enough. But our readers want to know if your guru-sense is tingling yet, or how close you think we are to it being too late to leave – or at least too late to leave with any meaningful assets.
Doug: I'm a trend observer. This is one of the advantages of studying history, because it shows you that things like this rarely happen overnight. They are usually the result of trends that build over years and years, sometimes over generations. In the case of the US, I think the trend has been downhill, in many ways, for many years. Pick a time. You could make an argument, from a moral point of view, that things started heading downhill at the time of the Spanish-American War. That was when a previously peaceful and open country first started conquering overseas lands and staking colonies. America was still in the ascent towards its peak economically, but the seeds of its own demise were already sewn, and a libertarian watching the scene might have concluded that it was time to get out of Dodge –
L: [Laughs] That would have been a bit early…
Doug: [Chuckles] Yes, that would have been way too soon. As Adam Smith observed, there's a lot of ruin in a country.
L: On the other paw, it would have gotten you out before the War between the States, a disaster well worth avoiding.
Doug: No, the Spanish-American War was in 1898.
L: Oops! Sorry, I was thinking of what Americans call the Mexican-American War, but which Mexicans call the "American Invasion" –
Doug: [Laughs]
L: I'm not joking. That's what they called it in the history books I was given in Mexican schools when I lived there in the '70s. It has long seemed to me that that was an ominous turn for the worse for the US and a clear example of conquering a weaker neighbor purely for pillage – not just Texas, but everything from there all the way to California.
Doug: That's right. Davey Crockett and the boys, we love them, but in many ways they were the equivalent of today's Mexicans who want to recolonize the southwest and turn it back into part of Mexico, in what they call the Reconquista.
L: Indeed, but this is ancient history to most US taxpayers today – I'm reminded that it's not correct in many cases to call them Americans.
Doug: Yes, just as it was a misnomer to call the people who lived in the Roman Empire after Diocletian Romans – because Roman citizens were once free men. After about 300 AD most of them were bound to the land or their occupations as serfs. But the slide for Rome started at least 120 years earlier, after the death of Marcus Aurelius. Politically, the decline started with the accession of Julius Caesar 240 years before that. So, when did the slide – politically, economically, and socially – really start for the US? When were there no more trends going up?
L: FDR? The New Deal was really a moral, economic, and political turning point.
Doug: You could make that argument, but the US still grew economically, despite the roadblocks FDR threw in its path. US military power and global prestige continued growing from that point, although, paradoxically, the accelerating growth of the US military was directly responsible for the decline of the US economically and in terms of personal freedom. One reason for the ascendancy of the US after World War II was that we were the only major country in the world not physically devastated by the war.
L: Ah. Right.
Doug: So it seems to me that the peak of American civilization was in the 1960s. As for evidence, well, I like to put my finger on the 1959 Cadillac. Those twin bullet taillights, the opulence of it… In terms of then-current technology, things couldn't get much better.
L: "Opulence. I has it."
Doug: [Laughs – a real belly laugh] That's my favorite TV commercial! Anyway, that was the peak, in my mind. Though things continued getting better for a while, the US started to live out of capital.
L: Had to pay for guns and butter.
Doug: That's right. The Johnson administration's so-called Great Society created vast new federal bureaucracies that promised Americans free food, shelter, medical care, education, and what-have-you. Americans became true wards of the state. But the real, final nail in the coffin for America was in 1971 –
L: Nixon taking the US off the gold standard.
Doug: Nixon taking the US off the gold standard – open devaluation of the dollar, combined with wage and price controls for some months. And that was not long after the so-called Bank Secrecy Act, which abolished bank secrecy, and required the reporting of all foreign financial accounts. Nixon was, in many ways, even more of a disaster than Johnson. Republicans are usually worse than Democrats when it comes to freedom, partly because they like to couch their depredations in the rhetoric of defending the free market. While everyone understands that Democrats are socialists just under the surface, Republicans actually give capitalism a bad name. Baby Bush is a perfect, recent example.
L: But don't you worry your pretty little head about devaluation – it's just a "bugaboo" – and as long as you're not one of those unpatriotic people wanting to buy imports or vacation abroad, your dollar will be worth just as much tomorrow as it is today. The scary thing is that the Belarusian dictator Lukashenko said almost the same thing when the Belarusian ruble lost two thirds of its forex value earlier this year, asking his countrymen why they need to go on vacation in Germany or buy German cars…
Doug: You see why I like to study history? It doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme…
L: With a vengeance.
Doug: So, anyway, since 1971, some things have improved largely due to technological advances, but the America That Was has been fading into the past. It was a decisive turning point. You can see that in the accelerated proliferation of undeclared wars we've had since then. I don't just mean the penny-ante invasions of Granada and Panama – the US has always lorded it over Caribbean and Central American banana republics; those are just sport wars. But Iraq and Afghanistan are alien cultures on the other side of the world – apart from never posing any threat to the US. Now it looks like Iran and Pakistan are on the dance card, and they're big game. The War Against Islam has started in earnest, and it's going to end badly for the US. I explained all this at great length in the white paper, Learn to Make Terror Your Friend, that I wrote for The Casey Report last month.
Domestically, saying that the US is turning into a police state when you started this conversation was quite accurate. You can see more and more videos spreading over the Internet, not just of police brutality, but demonstrating the militarization and federalization of police, who are being inculcated with both disdain for and paranoia about ordinary citizens.
In the old days, if you were stopped for speeding, the peace officer was polite – you could get out of your car, meet the cop on neutral ground, and chat with him. You didn't have a serious problem unless you were obviously drunk or combative. Now, you don't dare make a move. You better keep your hands in plain sight on the steering wheel and be ready for a Breathalyzer test without probable cause. The law enforcement officer will stand behind you with his hand on his gun. And you're the one who'd better be polite.
L: There has been a polar reversal. The cops used to address citizens as "sir" or "ma'am." Now, the correct response in a traffic stop is: "Yes, sir! I would love to inspect the bottom of your boot, sir!"
Doug: [Laughs] That's right. My friend Marc Victor gives out magnetized business cards. People ask, "Why?" He answers that it's so clients can put them on the bottom of their cars or refrigerators, so they can see it when the cops throw them to the ground.
L: Marc's a good man. There's a handy video on Marc's website, offering advice on what to do if you're pulled over by the police in a traffic stop.
Doug: A good public service announcement. At any rate, I think there's no question that the US has turned the corner on every basis: politically, socially, morally, and now, economically…
L: Okay, but, Doug, you said that in 1979 too. The question is, how do we know when the door is going to close?
Doug: [Laughs.] Well, sometimes I feel a little like the boy who cried wolf. But Roman writers like Tacitus and Sallust saw where Rome was going before it got completely out of control. Should they have said nothing, for fear of being too early? Here in the US, it should have gone over the edge back in the 1980s, but we got lucky. There was still a lot of forward momentum, which can last for decades when you're speaking of civilizations. There was the computer productivity boom. The Soviet Union collapsed, China liberalized, and Communism was discredited everywhere except on US college campuses. The end of the Cold War opened up vast areas of the world to the global market. And most surprising of all, Volker tightened up the money supply and interest rates went high, causing people to save money and stop borrowing to consume.
L: That's not happening this time.
Doug: No. We got lucky back then. Since the '90s we've had a long and totally phony, debt-driven boom that's now come to an end. I feel very confident that there's no way out this time. There are huge distortions and misallocations of capital that have been cranked into the system for two decades. And not just in the US this time, but in Europe, China, Japan, and elsewhere.
The US is very clearly on the decline. The fact that in spite of bankrupting military expenditures to no gain for the American people, those in power are talking overtly and aggressively about attacking more countries – Iran and Pakistan in particular – is extremely grave. The fact that they attacked Libya – which, incidentally, is going to turn into a total disaster, a civil war that will last for years – shows it's not stopping. Sure, Obama brought troops home from Iraq – another disaster that's going to remain a disaster for years to come – but at the same time he put a company of combat troops in Uganda, of all places and Marines in Australia, to provoke the Chinese.
Back home, I've read reports that people are being stopped for carrying gold coins out of the US, in Houston in particular. Now we have authorization of the military to detain US citizens, on US soil, with no trail, and indefinitely, on the verge of becoming law. And Predator Drones have been used to hunt down farmers on their own ranches.
I could go on and on. This is not like spotting early signs of decay in America's expansionist wars of the 19th century or things getting worse with FDR. Most people can't see it with all the noise and confusion, but we've reached the edge of the precipice.
L: Don't worry about exactly where the edge is, just assume it's there and take appropriate action?
Doug: Yes. It really is there. It's a clear and present danger. But most Americans are as oblivious as most Germans were in the '30s. In fact, most of them support what's going on, just as most Germans supported their government in the '30s and '40s.
L: So… don't worry about figuring out exactly when the gates will shut. Assume they are shutting now?
Doug: That's right. One should be actively and vigorously looking to expatriate assets, cash, and even one's self. A prudent person will always be diversified politically and internationally.
L: What about people who have jobs they can't continue doing from abroad and who need the income?
Doug: They should still prepare, as best they can, to be ready to go on a vacation when things get hot – a vacation from which they might not return for a long time. All that needs happen, with the hysteria that's building in the US, is for a major terrorist incident – real or imagined – to occur. Homeland Security will lock the country down. I hate to admit it, but I'm almost starting to credit the stories about those FEMA camps.
Look, I know it sounds extreme, and the comparison to pre-WWII Germany has been made many times, but it bears repeating. Germany was the most literate, civilized, and even mellow, in some ways, country in Europe. It was much admired all around the world – a nation of shopkeepers, small farmers, and scholars. But the whole character of the place started changing in 1933, and it just got worse and worse. By the end of 1939, if you weren't out, you were done.
L: [Pauses] Well, not a cheerful thought. Actions to take?
Doug: Things we've said before: Set up foreign bank accounts in places you like to travel, while you can. Set up vault arrangements for physical precious metals outside the US. Buy foreign real estate that you'd like to own, because it can't be forcibly repatriated. Offshore asset protection trusts are a good idea too. Become an International Man. Let me emphasize that US taxpayers should stay within all US laws, because the consequences of breaking them are unbelievably draconian.
Generally, one simply must internationalize one's assets. The biggest danger investors face, by far, is not market risk – huge as that will be – but political risk. The only way to insulate yourself from such risk is to diversify yourself politically and geographically.
L: Right then… words to the wise. Thanks for your insight.
Doug: You're welcome. Most won't, but I just hope readers listen.
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Ak-ak-ak-ak-ak-ak-ak!
ROTFLMFAO!
People who try to rail on other people's grammar are complete fucking faggots. It's the equivalent of the municipality giving you a ticket for placing your trash can in the wrong part of your curb at pickup time. STFU.
you're taking it too seriously buttbliss...
wow. that was fucking HILARIOUS
"Get a good pair of boots and a backpack"
It is a good idea to wear the boot's if you don't on a daily basis also, break them in. Your feet will thank you for it.
Also, take it from a hunter, if you do get to the point where you have to hunt for food, you will smell about as bad as the deer scent or elk scent. Actually it is piss from deer or elk bottled in most cases, horrible. So if you are going to hunt, take a set of clothes and put them in a dry area, covered if possible in the wild, if in timber area, use native branches, leaves, sage bush etc to scent the clothes for a few day's.
Prior to hunting, before putting the natural smelling clothes on, do a quick body wash if possible to loose most of the human smell you can. Instead of walking through the tree's like a bull through a china closet, find a open ridge, big meadow, across a canyon to sit and watch. Morning's and evening's are the best for most game to come back to bedding area's after feeding. If you are not successful, leave the area as un-seen as possible. Animal's are very tuned to there area's, so noises, un-needed shooting, laughing, caughing, etc will or can spoil your chances the next day or that evening.
Just a thought that might help, hope it is not needed.
Have duct tape available to put onto spots of your feet when it starts to hurt, and before a blister forms.
OK. That's a good plan. But taking off into the great unknowing is not a plan with or without maps.
This is dire scenario.
First off, if you have no radio/tv reports of what is actually going on, unless you are "very" quite able to defend life and property (and that means threaten to kill and kill on sight), you are taking uneccesary risk by traveling away from familiar territory.
Secondly, if you do have a large stock of supplies and are capable of living without ammenities like electrcity and running water, it would probably be unwise to give them up by running away, regardless of what the authorities tell you. They are telling you that if you don't leave, they can't protect you. If your domicile is hardened, better that you stay put, stand ground, and trade to the roaming bands looking for water or for something to eat. If things get out of hand, eliminate the leader first or make sure you are. Better that you form a group from that point and create a neighborhood survey to pool resources from those residences/families that got out of Dodge.
Once you have that band of humanity together, your perimeter protected, if your strong enough, you expand.
At this point it all becomes a crap shoot. Once everyone is fed and watered, many will try for the top with their ideas. Breaking away from the tribal alliance always brings one of two things, war or peace. Hey, if they think they can move on, let them. They know where you live. And you know who they are.
Only the strong and emotionally prepared will survive.
And, as always, life has no garantees.
+1
It went whizzzzzzzzzz right over most of your heads.
Think of the cosy foreign pad that you could have if you took just some of that gold out of your hidey holes and used it.
Please junk away but everything he suggests flies in the face of the ZH motto of PMs, Food, Guns & Ammo. He's saying if you follow that plan and stay in the US, you're fucked, and you don't like it. Do you?
Please note I am British in the UK and I don't think we're any better off than the US. Just different.
smiler03,
Not any better, just double fooked.
You have allowed your countnry to disarm your people not once or twice, but several times.(American civies sent Personal rifles and handguns to your country at the beginning of WWII), because your socialist monarchy never trusted the LOWER class w/weapons.Damn near cost your country.
And,I'll be a stinking SOB, you bloody hell allowed them to take them from you after it was WON.
Your forefathers were damned fools.
'We may be almost ALL cannon fodder, but your going to flat out a victim.
You be the victim, I plan on taking a lot with me if it comes to it.Before I am fodder.
+1000
Americans also donated guns to the Aussies in WW2. They did not have a lot of guns and were lucky the Japanese did not invade. The Aussies needed any and every gun they could find. Americans who donated their gins never got them back after WW2.
Americans had a lot of guns before 2008 but I cannot imagine all the guns purchased from 2008 til now.
I think the British military could take back the country (UK) if they decided to do it but they will not.
To get a gun in the UK you have to join the Army or be a rasta gangsta.
Yeah sure.
If you can, read these. Anybody without a criminal record can get a gun in the UK. We just don't have a gun culture.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16388496
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12840557
Shit im 23 hope this doesnt start before i finish university. One way ticket to any of the bric's upon graduating please.
Wow. Not only is your name misspelled, but your punctuation should be tried for war crimes. At the rate you are showing to us, you'll be 43 before you finish any university worthy of the name. Stop giving us young folk a reputation as uneducated dolts, please.
You're a FAGGOT for caring about how he uses grammar.
Not entirely. It may be a little unkind to point bad grammar out but the inability to write your native language at least semi-coherently doesn't bode well for your ability to think in it. The more limited one's vocabulary and knowledge of grammar and syntax is, the harder it is to formulate complex mental abstractions.
But da powaz dat beez fink that be double-plus good, innit?
Can we get this on already? So many first shots have been fired. I wonder if CNN will broadcast.
The silence is quite deafening.
Hilarous.
Guys like Doug Casey and Jim Rickards are sounding alarm bells and say "time to get outta Dodge".
Heh, well if they are that bearish, they better unload their gold ASAP.
I think gold, Euro, stocks, and the CRB Index are going to run higher for awhile, once again making fools out of all these "experts".
Yes, and you'll be safe and sound there in LA when the SHTF? LOL, no doubt.
Maybe Casey will hire you to take care of the horses on his ranch in Argentina? There you go Robo...a big move up for you.
Bay of Pigs
Got the cash?, Casey is /has built a community there, and is cose to Uraguay(for banking purposes).
So, if you have the JACK now is the time to check it out.
No, I'm not planning on going anywhere. I choose to stay and stand and fight if I have to.
Thank goodness there will be people like RT there to give a 'Good' price on the Fan Tail seats. Ya know, the really good ones.
And no mention of NFLX?
I've lived abroad for almost 20 years ! It is not for everyone...especially if you're new to the game during these scary times ! You want to move to a new country.....move to a more rural part of your own country ! All bets are off when TSHTF.....better not stray too far ! Monedas 2012 Joke du Jour Tour ! PSA: Move to Alabama and apply for food stamps and blend in with Coppertone Xtra Dark ? PSB: Call Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon and ask for the Gary, Indiana Retro Job ! ?
I fully agree --- I have lived with a broad for almost 20 years myself, and it is definitely not for everyone --- especially if you are new to the game!
Then they'd have to deal the issue of whether to "return and fight" definitely not suitable for most of today's "Americans" or " -Americans"
Stay and fight. Or run from the land your ancestors built like pussies. I don't care. I'm free, work harder, think more and have better genetic code than the assholes that trashed this banana republic. That means cram it with walnuts and I'll see you at the polls. I'll be the one with my mouth shut and a ron paul shirt on under my button up. Many of us will be delgates. Our numbers are growing.
Boomers are mind fucked and we're taking over this goddamn town.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USDlhWJGinI
It is clear that the best option is to fix the problem. Here is where it sits:
40% enjoy the Democratic party of Welfare
40% enjoy the Republican party of Warfare
20% support Ron Paul and are tired of paying for the big government that benefits both the Democrats and Republicans.
I see a full scale tax revolt as the only way to ever cut them off.. A scorched earth policy may need to be applied to destroy any wealth they might try to dislodge from you.
Pretty accurate assessment IMO. Nice work.
Although I'd change it slightly.....to:
40% enjoy making fun of blue team welfare and policies
40% enjoy making fun of red team welfare and policies
20% support Ron Paul and are tired of paying for big government that benefits from both red and blue teams.
Sadly, politics is just sport by another name to the overwhelming majority of people.
Or run from the land your ancestors built like pussies.
Don't you mean: Or run from the land your ancestors built like pussies after those same ancestors ran from their land of origin like pussies to found a better one? Kinda strange to call one guy a pussy and the other a heroic ancestor when they are both doing the exact same thing. Give that some contemplation.
I first read about Doug over 30 years ago--just before we went offworld for the first time--and let's just put it like this: Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you wait too long, you'll be on the wrong side of the wire. Either run or get dug in like a tick. If you haven't been paying attention the last 15 years, it's your own fault. If you didn't prepare, it's your fault, i'f you're in no shape to either fight OR run, It's definitely your fault. Can't blame the politicians; they've been pretty open about being pirates. If you didn't pick up on THAT..It's your fault. If you choose to wait until people start taking one-way trips to the railhead.....Oh come on,You know the drill.
How things are in Mexico,,,Thankx Amerika.
When I arrived in Mexico going on ten years ago, it was a mildly sleepy upper-Third World country, whatever that means—corrupt but not dangerous, not rich but hardly poor, barely middle-class overall and climbing, the mañana thing seldom noticeable, and women pouring into the professions. I parodied the American conception of Mexico as perilous hell-hole because it wasn't. Not even close.
Then in 2006 Felipe Calderón became president, and declared war on the drug cartels. Mexicans I talk to think he did it under pressure from Washington, but I don't know. Certainly Washington has done everything in its power to encourage it.
The war failed, as anyone with even a vague understanding of the world would have predicted. A war on drugs—foolish phrase—may be said to succeed if the price of drugs rises on the American street. It didn't. It won't.
Things happened that were touted as successes against the traficantes. A fair number of bosses of important cartels were killed or caught. Since Americans confuse leaders with movements and countries, this sounded like progress. Of course if, for example, you kill a leader of the “Taliban,” his second takes over within hours and all goes on as before. And if you kill the leader of a cartel, his underlings fight among themselves for the pieces, thousainds die, and law breaks down. Mexicans know this. The State Department apparently doesn't.
Meanwhile, as always, drugs remain everywhere available in America.
At first the killing remained largely in the northern states, Chihuahua, Sonora, Sinaloa, Tamaulipas, and such, with patches south in Jalisco and, especially, Michoacan. The gringos who lived around Lake Chapala, an hour south of Guadalajara, were not much affected.
Then the mayhem arrived here at Lakeside. In recent months the gringo havens along the lake have seen firefights with automatic weapons and grenades. Bodies are frequently found. Very frequently. Until recently no gringos were killed. The narcos were fighting among themselves and against the police. Expats didn't, and so far don't, interest them.
A few days ago an American was killed in Ajijic, the epicenter of gringolandia. It was just an armed robbery gone bad. The narcos had nothing to do with it. Thing is, when the country falls into chaos because ofthe war against drugs, every other kind of crime follows.
The expats have begun moving out. Realtors report large numbers of houses going on the block. If this continues, and I see no reason why it won't, restaurants will continue to close, maids and gardeners will lose their jobs, and the doctors and dentists that serve the expatriates will leave. Today a local Spanish website reports a fall of fifty percent in trade at eateries. If this continues, tourism, a crucial business in Mexico, will disappear. Already, we hear, the cruise ships have stopped going to Puerto Vallarta.
For Mexico, for hundreds of thousands of retired gringos, this is very bad news. Many expats came here because they couldn't afford to retire in the United States. They still can't.
Although I lived for many years in Washington, associating with news weasels and policy wonks, I have never understood their mixture of appalling ignorance, incuriosity (I say it's a word), insularity, narcissistic nationalism, and otherworldly moralizing resting on platitudinous amorality. All elections are personality contests, all politics is domestic, and everything is done in bromides so that neither public nor pols have to know anything at all. Ignorance has consequences.
For example, NAFTA forced Mexican campesinos to compete with mechanized American agriculture, which they couldn't, so they went to the cities, where they drifted either into crime or north to Arizona. Or both.
Mexico is being wrecked in what amounts to an out-sourced American civil war. Huge numbers of Americans use drugs, most assuredly including people on Capitol Hill. Moralists and the Feds don't want them to use drugs. Putting many millions of white users in Leavenworth would be politically awkward. So: Export the war to Mexico, which never had a drug problem. This solution is acceptable for white users, who continue to have ample supplies at high convenience and low cost. It is acceptable to the anti-drug industry, the cops and prison guards and so on, who get fat salaries, and to the narcos. It is a splendid situation all around, except for poor blacks and Mexico. About neither of which anyone gives a damn.
Now, it must be obvious to a mentally retarded marmoset that nothing can stop the flow of drugs to the United States. Any drug anyone might want is available at reasonable cost to anyone who wants it. When peasants in the Sierra Madre Occidental can suddenly have high-end pickup trucks and cable televesion by selling drugs, they are going to sell drugs. And why not? After all, if the gringos don't want drugs, they don't have to buy them, do they? When the cartels make $40 billion a year (a common figure, however arrived at) there will always be those wanting to work in the trade. The money is sufficient to buy military-grade weapons from the US, including from the US government, and it is enough to bribe officials in both countries.
Now, American politicians want to send the military to Mexico, and are doing it quietly in the form of retired or “retired” military types, DEA, drones, training, and all the rest of the now-standard camels' noses under other people's tents. These are the politicians, remember, who brought you Korea, Iran shortly, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Somalia, Iraq, Pakistan, Uganda, Afghanistan, and all the other well-conceived brilliancies of the wildly ill-informed. Add to this a comic-opera military that has never been able to beat bush-world peasants with AKs and a bad attitude toward invasion.
Many, many know this farce for the farce it is. In this I include large numbers of cops who are not fools and actually see what is going on. If they they talk, they lose their jobs, so they don't. But of course no one really has an interest in ending the slaughter except those being slaughtered.
It will get worse here in Mexico, unless the Mexicans themselves do something about it. They probably cannot. Vicente Fox (former president of Mexico, as Americans are all aware) favors legalization everywhere, but the cartels can easily buy any country's politicians to prevent this. The Mexican public more and more favors reaching an accomodation with the narcos: “You sell your drugs and we will turn a blind eye, but put an end to kidnappings, extortion, and the murder of the uninvolved.” This might work because it would be in the interest of the traficantes, who could discourage kidnappers by killing them unpleasantly. Nothing that isn't in the interest of tne nacros will work, since they are too strong to coerce.
Meanwhile houses of expats go on the market, with few if any buyers, and the sale of drugs in American goes on, undisturbed.
Sad to hear, Kill Switch ! I spent the summer of 1966 in Guadalajara....it was an exotic paradise ! Room and board in a downtown pension was $40 a month....and good home cooking !
@kill switch--
You forgot to name the author of your "Mexican" story: Fred Reed.
You really ought to give credit to the guy who actually wrote this piece -- Fred Reed.
(Edit: Whoops. Weird. Blanche's comment wasn't there when I went to write this one. My bad.)
Let's see - you lived in Washington DC/Beltway for many years. Ah....a tick living off Big Federal Govt $$$ most likely. Months ago someone posted somewhere about some ex-military and ex-govt agent guy botching how inflation was eroding his double dip pension. Tough shit pal.
Mexico has always been crap and the expats were naive to ever think Mexico would be safe. Sorry expats - you made a bad choice and were naive to think Mexico would be a safe place to live.
I don't take drugs so I was not part of the drug consumer problem caused by dope heads and pot heads.
Sounds like a plan. Every time I've taken a "vacation", it turned into a move. Wherever you are, the priorities will always be water, food and shelter.
http://georgesblogforum.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-daily-climb-2/
The U.S. government spent over 454 billion dollars just on interest on the national debt during fiscal 2011
http://investmentwatchblog.com/stunner-the-u-s-government-spent-over-454-billion-dollars-just-on-interest-on-the-national-debt-during-fiscal-2011/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/04/switzerland-central-bank-...
What a phony piece of shit. He has been freeloading off of the financial market for years with his international speculator newsletter. Another enabler and leech for the financial manipulators who have so greatly contributed to our current economic mess. Doug didn't have any problems with the USA that made him wealthy. Now just wants to take the money and run. Adios you liberterian asshole. Can you write your POS newletter in Spanish?
My respect goes to the the people who stay here and try to enact alternative life styles and help build a sustainable future for the next generation.
Exactly.
The USA is the greatest country in the world.
I'll be staying here, not going anywhere.
And life will be good for those who are hard workers and take advantage of opportunity.
The losers will always whine, complain, and find something wrong with the situation.
Like my poor Dad, he's 84 now and still bitches and gripes about "going to hell in a handbasket".
I tell him: Dude, when you retired at age 48, I would have been living it up all these years and enjoying life, not being a miserable complainer. Look at all the wasted years, he still plays golf 3 times a week and is in good health. He could have channelled all that negative energy into something positive and been much better off.
So what part are you not telling us. He could have enjoyed his retirement if his dumbfuck son hadn't talked his mom into investing a bunch of money in AOL.
Fuck both of you guys. Casey is a solid dude. I've seen him speak many times. You assholes have no right to judge the man.
Typical of you Robot, even throwing your own Dad under the bus? You're a pitiful loser and a sorry American.
No. All these newsletter guys have nice places in Argentina. Casey has an incredible palace there with his own golf course, lakes, polo field, etc.
How the f**k does that work when the scum like Mr. and Mrs. Kirschner-tribe members (Peronists) totally ***ed the locals? The locals are lefty trade unionists who have destroyed Argentina for the past 70 years. My guess is their money is in Singapore accounts.
Doug Casey is a legitimate, principled guy. It's hilarious to see all these douchebags trying to call this guy a "scam" and then providing ZERO evidence or logic for the accusation. It must be some of their repressed liberalism coming out... they can't stand to see a guy do better than them in life.
His newsletter are fucking OUTSTANDING. I've made a shit-ton of money using the advice from Casey Research, combined with my own research, over the years.
Who in the hell would refer to their dad as "dude". Geez!
Tuco, meet RobotAsswipe.
I call my dad "dude" sometimes. No big deal. See... we're actually FRIENDS. We stopped that whole fake "Oh you get respect because your older and shared genetics" charade a long time ago.
Poor dad retired at 48 and has been playing golf 36 years - 3 days a week in retirement? Yeah life is tough.
Yes read Mayer;s book, changed my mind about 30s Germany.
Get out of Dodge? This is Sparta bitchez!
The world has been going to hell in a hand basket all of my life and will continue on its decline long after I'm gone. My uncle believed throughout most of his adult life that after the U.S. went off the gold standard that things would get ugly, and fast. He died a few years ago and didn't live to see things get ugly, and we may not, either. Waiting for this end game to play itself out may outlast us all as well. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, but most of all REMEMBER TO LIVE.
I don't imagine most people in the ZH community think they won't be around to see it get ugly. I think 2012 will bring the hellish soup to a boil, and we'll see lots of shit hitting the fan.
So my thinkin' goes like this:
Reagan was the Ron Paul of that time.
Ron Paul is the Ron Paul of this time.
I hate to be an Eyore, but if your gig is playing the regimes hand then you have paydirt with obumma, and ROmney offers the same in a SLIGHTLY diferent color.
Basically either you like people for the right reasons or you view people as a crop to be harvested by the political left in their satanic quest to embarrass our Liberty.
It's not really about us, it's about them. The real difference is that one entity supports us and the other abhors us.
Slavery to a totalitarian government is about as 'uncle tom' as I can reach.
Just think people. Please?
This crap is so out of control and so naked obvious.
Obumma is a manufactured president. Everything this clown does is predicated on deception. It is all a lie. WE are in fact being subjected to the same shit that North Korean human beings are forced to accept. No shit and it is actually happening only because we are to damn chickenshit to 'just say no'
This is how the political left does and has always operated.
Deception.
The reason being is that any decent and moral free human would reject the deceptive and manipulative ploys plotted by these monsters.
They want us to join their 'creatures in the cage'
I'll not participate.
I'd seriously rather suffer whatever temporal B.S. they hit me with.
I will not participate.
What a terrible thing to Ron Paul you are speaking when you are saying he is being the dunce who some people are saying that he is amiable. The president who is Reagan said many things that were being stupid and he was having trouble to be staying awake when the words people where having took not having stupids to be hearing.
I am tending to be wanting to be agreeing with you --- I am thinking.
It be stupid to if had be listening to regan you thunk the dunce?
I am absolutely being to the agreement you with however amiable and being contrary not the prior poster saying just as it is being.
I am here at work laughing my fucking ass off. You guys are killing me! ROFL! I have tears in my eyes! No offence Geruda...
3D printing...pretty much makes us humans irrelevant. It is pretty good already and will get better soon. In Star Trek no money exchanged?
The problem with Argentina is that they just passed their own terror legislation with a 25 year penalty for things like pulling your money out of a failing bank. I guess it's better than indefinite detention because there's a least a potential you'll get out someday.
Argentina is full of the same parasites that are destroying people all over the planet. It's a world mafia-like cartel running it all.These are the same people that are creating a cashless society and will use the internet at some point to enslave everyone further. The W3C is being used to standardize the Web. Once that is done, along with the universalization of mobile technology...Good bye to cash, PC's, and hello to the Cloud!. With a click of a mouse you can be cut off from all your funds, have your assets stripped without your consent, etc....
The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten hold of us. It is better to keep the wolf out of the fold, than to trust to drawing his teeth and talons after he shall have entered.
- Thomas Jefferson, 1782
The whole premise of the article is naive. If the Nazis had the technology that we currently enjoy, they would have had a list of names of people foolish enough to try and hide assets outside of Germany. If you haven't hidden your assets at least 3 years ago and probably a lot longer then your name is probably already on a "List". If you bought a gun from other than a "friend" then your name is probably on a "List". The Gestapo aka DHS has been compiling lists for at least 10 years and the FBI for at least the last 50 years! Pick a Country. I dare you! If they are not already a "Friend with Benefits" of the US, then they are with the Chinese, Iranians, Russians, etc...Pick your poison but really make sure the grass is legitimately greener and not just spray painted! Remember that most people who have tried to bribe their way to freedom usually have their bribe and all their assets taken and they end up dead or in prison while their wife and sons/daughters are raped. Good Luck!
I fella can have pretty good time in Phnom Penh where it never freezes; no heating required, the cost of living is low; there are no property or sales taxes; and you can get around year 'round on a 150cc motorcycle.
Phnom Penh is great if you don't mind that all the local produce is fertilized by what would, in other countries, be called a sewage plant, but in Phom Pehn is really just the end of the sewer pipe. The Tonle Sap flowing uphill isn't the only thin that's backwards abut that town- I've seen government officials get shaken down by beat cops in their routine traffic scams. And why settle for a 150cc motorcycle, when as an ex-pat you can probably buy back whatever car was stolen from you in your previous country of residence (regardless of left or right drive) for counterfeit pennies on the dollar? If you going to drink the local piss I think Chang is preferable Angkor, but shit does cost more across the border.
Argentina has a lot of "good deals" but that is because the Argentinians went through a massive loss of private wealth and property. Once the greed succeeded in bankrupting many of these Argentinians, foreign nationals moved in to take advantage of other people's stolen wealth. If you buy cheap in Argentina, it is like going into a pawn shop and buying a computer you know was stolen. There are terms for such people: carpetbaggers and parasites; which is why we need to clean up our own country before we start spreading our "great values" in communities such as Argentina.
Americans stay home. As the world deteriorates, Americans will be targets overseas just as they will be at home by their own government and by the ensuing race wars that are being planned by the elite (you will continue to hear more and more news stories and articles about "race conflicts"... which are being instigated most likely by some fat-asses in Langley).
You will continue to hear how the aging generations are taking, taking, and taking. This is also a divide being created to turn young against old.
Everytime I turn NPR on (the only news station in my area) the radio, they are talking about one of three things: race conflicts, aging boomers (how they will be worked like horses until they drop dead), or they have some Suit from one of the major Pro-military think tanks on their show banging for more war. The military Suits are actually going around saying (and with all the figures to back them up) that Medicare and Social security are actually the biggest drain on the US...not the military. This is the bull shit that is on the radio out here day and night.
Casey is right on one thing: the military brings no benefit to the American people. However, although SS and medicare are social programs, at least the money goes into the communities from which the recipient lives.
I don't buy Doug Casey. He is arrogant: "Asian serfs", "Primitives of Africa", "backwards", and a lot of talk that America was once a peaceful nation. This country has never been peaceful. Americans need to stay here and fix what they trashed. America is where you should invest your time and your life.
Those "serfs" in Asia, or Africa, or India, or anywhere, probably have more values and dignity than this sucking guy Casey. He is predatory in nature just like his sick government. I think Americans need to come home and fix what they broke. Less and less Americans are NOT welcome overseas. But this Arrogant guy thinks he's welcome anywhere anytime. He is sadly mistaken.
should be:
"Less and less Americans are welcome overseas".
If the US government loses power, Americans abroad will have a tougher time with the locals. There just won't be as much incentive for foreign governments to play nice with US citizens when they know there will be no reprisal for taking everything they own under mob rule. The Johnny come lately outsiders will get looted first. As bad as it might get here, it's probably better to stay and work to fix it.
Some of you guys don't know shit about Doug Casey and his views. Ridiculous comments.
So he wants to go live somewhere else. BFD.
Bay-
Remember a few years back on Mish blog-there was a US citizen living in far western Argentina during the hyper-inflation-he said-if he had not been connected to internet-he would never have known it happened-life did not change for them-
He did emphasize that the Argentinians are fair people and if they see you respecting their "differences" ie: learn about them-you feel very welcomed-
From my understanding-the pace is very similar to the 60's in the US-
What's not to like--
I agree, Bay.
I love seeing people's comments that they don't "buy him" or they think his work is "snakeoil".
SOUNDS LIKE LIBERAL ANTI-BUSINESS LANGUAGE TO ME! At worst, his advice and material is high quality. And at best, it's the finest quality advice you can get- if there is extreme danger, then GTFO!
I'd rather get the perspective of a near-billionaire anarchist, then some faggot living in a basement studying trivial technical analysis day-to-day like half of the douches on Zero Hedge.
Supply down, demand way up, and price is down hard. Yup, silver is a freely traded market.
Silver Sales Up As Supply Slips: For the first time in history, Silver Eagle & Maple Leaf sales will surpass domestic silver production in the U.S. and Canada in 2011Investors in increasing numbers over the years have been buying physical silver. While this number is growing, it is still a fraction of a fraction of the country’s population. Even though 40 million Silver Eagles were sold in 2011, this accounts for one coin for every eight Americans. The Great Stampede in Silver is yet to come.
http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2012/01/official-mint-silver-sales-surpass.html
bummer. sounds like no more silver for cruise missiles.
FDR bad, bank secrecy good, Democrats different from Republicans, Lukashenk a dictator ...
Sorry, a lot of the filler sounds like FOX.
This guys is 5% the historian he fancies himself to be. Nice he distinguishes republican from imperial Rome, but in actual fact it was a war machine from the beginning, almost wholly dependent on booty; hence the constant expansion, long before Caeser.
America didn't begin taking over people till late 19th century? Did I read that right?
OK, now I'll read the comments. Surely much better than the post.
Stand and fight for the constitution and our country. Most Americans are to fat, soft and stupid to understand what is going on today. Those of us who are paying attention need to try and help others who do not undestand what is going to happen. It is easy to blog to sights like this where we all agree but we must try and warn friends and family (yes it is hard) because we need more people to fight for what is right! My retired military brothers and I will fight but we need your help if it comes to that. I hope not. Pray and educate now or we will loose this once great country!!
You know, it just occurred to me that "Dodge City", Kansas may be a great place to escape to? If it is not a rural area at present it soon will be!
I agree and am with you. I have too many friends and family to leave them on their own. I realize many now think we are kooks and weirdos but they will quickly realize the truth...just hopefully not too late. We need to speak out, reject defeatism and reject hopelessness. We need to ask people to at least consider preparing to care for themselves and those that need them. I thought about Cafayate (and Calafate, even more beautiful but cold) but in the end I remain committed to the fight right here. This has been a great country. My father fought and nearly died for it. I have never served so if it is my turn I'll do it. I may be old but I can still think and talk and write.
Hey, I left the USSA because I saw nobody in the USSA is willing to fight for liberty. Sure, they'll vote for RonPaul, they might complain to their friends, they might complain in blogs or websites like this... but they will not fight. And the only way to save the USSA (or anywhere else on planet earth, eventually) will be to fight.
Anyone who understands the nature and behavior of predators should understand quite clearly that the predators-that-be and predator-class will do ANYTHING to enslave you and everyone else. They will stop at nothing, and the only way to stop them is to deal with them in the only way that any predator can be dealth with... exterminate them, or be consumed by them.
I wish you "stay and fight" people were serious, but haven't met any who are. What's worse, if any exist, they are completely unorganized.
South Pacific great place ... try Vanuatu ... or maybe Vegas
Yes, a great many places in the south pacific are fantastic, and Vanuatu is a great one if you want to set up and operate international businesses. In fact, every island I visited in the pacific was very cool in some way or other. This region is especially wonderful for me since I just bought my pipistrel virus sw that can fly 2300+ miles on the extended range tanks I have. That's sufficient to fly anywhere in the mid and south pacific and asia (including hawaii)... though trying to reach north or south america is too close for comfort (fuel wise).
Santorum is this week's useful idiot detector...starting with Murdoch.
I just found a copy of that book. I read the forward. It looks to be a real page turner.
http://ia700200.us.archive.org/5/items/theythoughttheyw027497mbp/theytho...
It's like a neighborhood going bad. You get out before the property values tank and crime goes up; or put bars on the windows and buy guns.
a typo here and there (they're, their) is one thing but you're (your) going to sound stuoid if you repeatedly prove you function at the 4th grade level in spelling and grammar. It is hard to take someone serious who is not capable of using spell check.
you are friend....
You are spell nazi friend..........
Astute observation, I know I really hate it when people think I am stuoid and deeply care if others take me serious or not.
Isn't it impossible to perma-live in another country? Gotta know the language, get visas, etc, etc...I've heard this is pretty much impossible.
It's not so tough.
It's actually very tough..
If you are a professional and your skills are wanted then you're in, if you have a lot of cash you're in, otherwise you can forget about it.
The average American will not be welcome anywhere as they don't have the skills that are needed, nor do they speak any language other than English.
Besides, the average American would not survive in a culture other than the American culture.
If you have a extremely non-creative mind, you're probably screwed no matter where you are... or go. Otherwise, there are lots of places people can go, and if you have half a brain (don't do things the "official way"), you can even move to very difficult places like NewZealand.
A couple examples. If you have $20K, you can move to Nepal. Yup, you can live in a very exotic, very cool, very friendly places in sight of 20,000+ foot mountains. You can simply move to Chile and live there for 1 year... after which time they give you permanent residency (if you ask), as long as you don't do any criminal acts. And there are endless other examples.
Unfortunately, a great many people in the USSA have gotten so dull-brained that they can't handle anything that isn't handed to them.
The vast majority of Americans are pampered sheep who panic if they can't drive through McDonald's at 9 pm, or if Wal-Mart doesn't have the latest DVD or if they have to wait more than 2 days for a shipment. They wouldn't last more than a week in any of the other parts of the world that they look down upon, where people are very used to making do with much less, including well off parts of Europe and Asia.
So, no, most Americans are better off staying put and just learning how to fucking take care of themselves. Besides, the world is overpopulated and no country has a good currency anymore, it's all fucked, especially since the Jews have ruined the dollar, and there's no good alternative.
But, but, but, we're AMERICANS --- we're exceptional!
Don't we automatically deserve the best?
(and have the right to force everyone else to give us everything we want?)
Tyler I'm not saying you have to make me ombusdman of this site but I would really appreciate it. If I had my pick of playing center field for the Red Sox, being an astronaut, being Sasha Grey's designated porn partner and being the ZH ombudsman, I would choose working here. And aside from my passion for this site, I have an extensive collection of HL Mencken books.
Even if you don't pick me, it's time to get one. Take a look at this POS
The vast majority of Americans are pampered sheep who panic if they can't drive through McDonald's at 9 pm, or if Wal-Mart doesn't have the latest DVD or if they have to wait more than 2 days for a shipment. They wouldn't last more than a week in any of the other parts of the world that they look down upon, where people are very used to making do with much less, including well off parts of Europe and Asia.
So, no, most Americans are better off staying put and just learning how to fucking take care of themselves. Besides, the world is overpopulated and no country has a good currency anymore, it's all fucked, especially since the Jews have ruined the dollar, and there's no good alternative.
While the whole comment was cliched/hate-filled/nonsensical, the last sentence hit home for me. Just off the charts!
Besides, the world is overpopulated and no country has a good currency anymore, it's all fucked, especially since the Jews have ruined the dollar, and there's no good alternative.
Nothing you can say to that.
Excellent idea. The theme of this site can be changed from Fight Club to Mister Durden's Neighborhood so that delicate sensibilities are not offended. Its good to know that on a website where the corruption of our government and financial systems are regularly laid bare there are still some able to keep their eyes on what truly matters.
So here's to you Mr. Social Decorum Enforcer- when the skies are black, the winds are picking up speed, and the mother of all storms approaches we may all sleep soundly knowing that you are still around to make everyone wipe their feet before entering shelter so the rug remains spotless.
You and A LOT of people (here) think way, way, way too abstractly. To be effective thinkers, we need to slide back and forth between concrete and abstract (always watching how the correlate as we go).
I was more-or-less terrified of a lot of things... before I did them. That's the nature of comfort zones, I guess. All I can say is, my experiences traveling in other parts of the world were great, fantastic, wonderful. But in each and every place I went, I started out feeling "not entirely at ease". However, in every case, after one month wandering around the country on a motorcycle or in a van (which is what I would do, not just sit at a resort somewhere), I felt more free and comfortable than back home in the USSA. If I had not traveled, I would likely not have found it so easy to pack up and leave the USSA when the level of corruption and fascism got so over the top.
So, that's my experience. I suppose I would not advise "scaredy cats" to jump ship and leave the country. I imagine they are the kind of people who would be their own worst enemy when outside their everyday comfort zone. For everyone else though... take a freaking month "exploration vacation". Travel around and see how you feel after 1 month in each place. If you feel, "I could live here" in any one of the 3 places you choose to visit, then you have your answer --- you can leave the USSA. And you should. Because the USSA will soon be worse than nazi-germany. Given current facts and events in the USSA, we can be almost certain of that. Get out of dodge unless you're one of those people who live in a teenie, tiny intellectual and comfort-zone box. Glad I did.
The vast majority of Americans are.....
We often here derision about the American sheep as it were.
I wonder who is smarter?
Those who go about their lives, spending time enjoying stuff I do not find of any particular interest, but they do, and they are oblivious to what is going on in the world.
Maybe when it lands in their backyard they will take notice and do something about it, otherwise they aren't worried.
There is an argument for the benefits of ignorance. :)
It's the old conundrum --- Who lives a happier life: the farmer, or the pig that the farmer raises in innocent bliss until the day of the slaughter?
Correct. If you are as dumb as a pig or a sheep, life is good --- until you're dead.
I'm not that dumb.
To my way of thinking there is something absurd with this idea. Obviously fear plays a large role in exile. Thus it seems to me that wherever one flees there your fear awaits. Think of it as your personal appointment in Samarra-www.k-state.edu/english/baker/english320/Maugham-AS.htm. I think resistance, possibly to the point of open rebellion at the county and state level is the best solution. I grant that loss of money for some is a terrible thing, and yet, loss of dignity is worse I think. Despite all the actions by the actors, we are still capable of having freedom if this is what we want. We can act and reverse the course. Indeed to not act and shout out and fight back simply postpones te problem to another day. For if this nation goes down, no nation on Earth will be safe.
"For if this nation goes down, no nation on Earth will be safe."
This is true. Reagan was right, this is the last outpost of freedom.
However, we are losing our freedom. Obama just signed into law a bill that effectively eliminates the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments, and Posse Commitatus. This on the heals of what happened with the Patriot Act and it's renewal. Also, soon, we'll see the internet bill coming through that will see, I'm sure, no real resistance in congress and thus savaging the first amendment. Then 10th has been gone for some time now and if Obama wins re-election, you can expect a 'gun czar' that will eliminate private ownership of pistols and multi-bullet guns.
Resistance I think at this point will be futile, unless those in the armed forces and the police forces will not follow orders. 1939 Germany tells me that most will 'just do my job'. Gotta keep my family alive and well, regardless of what it is I'm asked to do.
No matter who it is, we must all vote against Obama. Then from there we can worry about fixing the republicans and congress. But make no mistake, if we 'punish the republicans' we will lose.
Has anyone brought up Ferfal's blog? He's not at all favorable to Cassy's plan and outpost in rural Argentina. Google: Ferfal
That be true. However, he also brought up a very good point which I have yet to see debated.
In discussing the situation in Argentina he pointed out that many of the best fled the country at the heart of 'troubles' (rightist military terror) but came back to help regain the Republic & rebuild. His conclusion, as I remember it....sometimes the best course of action in fighting back against tyranny is to retreat, regroup, and live to fight another day, on more favorable ground.
Knee jerk reactions like the usual(traitor\quitter\pussy\ etc., etc.,) do not substitute for a reasoned rebuttal of that idea, which deserves some discussion in that vein.
... although the average American has somewhat more knowledge of the world – mainly due to television ...
Instant says: bullshit2
Where the fuck am I supposed to go?
Go ahead, rats. Leave.
Either you've never taken vacations outside the USSA, or you are deeply insecure. Personally I've felt more comfortable and more secure in most (but not all) places I've visited for a month or two. And no, that's not because I stayed in 5-star hotels sipping booze on the beach (quite the contrary).
I will say, though. No other country is quite so jam-packed full of malls and shopping centers no matter where you go. So if life is only about watching TV and shopping, better for you to stay in the neo-nazi stronghold that is the modern USSA.
I suppose that anyone who is radically meek should probably stick around. As for me, I would have been happy to stand and fight... but there is virtually nobody else around who understands that only an armed revolution will work at this point, so my only choice was "hit the road, Ann".
There are a great many wonderful places on this planet to live. Which is best for you or I is a very personal choice, one you cannot make without about 100 hours of diligent research. At that point you can narrow your investigatory trips down to 5 or 10 places (or if you're lucky, only 2 or 3 places).
The fact is, most countries treat "foreigners" vastly better than their own citizens. That's because their default assumption is that "foreigners are cash-cows who spend lots of money and boost their economy" while "their own citizens are their slaves".
My 2 most important tips are this. Always move to a rural area, either the [extreme] boonies or a small town separated by long distances from any city. And the laws of the country aren't as important as the ability of the government to mess with you (which means, you are essentially free in practice even as the laws on the books might be stupid). This makes many extremely poor countries really great places to live, because their influence rarely goes much outside the boundaries of their capital city or other big cities. As for me, I won't go to big cities in the USSA either, so the practice of staying away from big cities is plenty easy for me.
Wooooo...
Unusual. One US citizen pointing at what US citizens are doing: triggering a new wave of colonization.
And dont forget, peeps, all the assets the new settlers are going to buy are bought with USD, fiat money.
And the US has plenty of that.
US government will also help coercion to get those foreign countries to sell to US citizens. Better to pour that too much of people over others rather than facing the issue of troublemakers at home.
US world order.
US citizens cant escape their own propaganda fabric.
The US has never been at peace. Guy starts at spain-us war.
You can start from 1776 and see how the US land grabbed its way up.
The US is not the solution, the US is the issue.
All these propagandists would like to point at the so called achievements they tell to have brought, forgetting to tell that the achievements were brought on others' resources.
Which makes no surprise that as the others'resources are dwindling, the socalled achievements are waning.
Too many US citizens, not enough Indians...
That is the reality of the US driven world.
For all those thinking about moving to a safe haven country and escaping the U.S., think again. Even if you leave for good and become a citizen of another country. It doesn't matter where you go you are subject to U.S. tax laws for life. You must pay U.S. taxes on your income anywhere in the world. You are actually the property of the U.S. government for tax purposes!
"You must pay U.S. taxes on your income anywhere in the world. You are actually the property of the U.S. government for tax purposes!"
True. Even if you renounce your citizenship, you still pay US taxes for the ten years following. Our persons were made collateral in 1933 (?) or whenever the US gov went into receivership to the shareholders of the federal reserve (ie bank of england, rockefellers, etc.). There are much deeper problems to undo here if we are to truly start over with truly limited and constitutional government.
No, if you renounce your citizenship and you are already rich, they steal a portion of your assets if you let them. Otherwise, you're free of IRS.
I must say, anyone who continues to pay those predators is an absolute, complete, utter moron... and their own worst enemy. It is bad enough when predators threaten or attack you, but it is just beyond the pale when you attack yourself on their behalf. That's just sick.
I'm 30 years old. I was born to Ghanaian parents in the UK and lived there and in Canada before moving to the US. I went to highschool and college in the northeast. During an 8 year career as a working professional I have worked for 2 different Fortune 50 (fifty) companies, and 2 entrepreneurial fund-type operations. Late last year, I decided to LEAVE the United States and move to Ghana. It's been one of the best decisions of my life.
I must say, however, that my background made it easy. For those of you born and raised in the US, it is high time for you to make a choice. Death before dishonor? Hmm... I know one thing. I'm staking my claim here in Ghana because I have a good 40 to 50 years ahead of me and I don't plan on being anyone's bitch, or slave, or scapegoat, or unwitting idiot. I can already see that the tentacles of Western imperialism and roots of colonial and institutional corruption have embedded themselves here in Ghana. But there is still hope here as these are a peaceful people whose business and political leaders are only beginning to learn how to be truly deceptive and manipulative. There is still hope here for a young generation to take back their future and craft a more human-friendly existence unplagued by power-hungry psychopaths. So, I’m ready to fight for my future here. So, I can only expect those of you who see a future for yourself and your kids in America to fight for yourselves there. So what the fuck are you doing already?
I have always seen the US for what it is, an empire. I prided myself on my objectivity and insightfulness. Ahhh the arrogance of youth. It wasn't until wall street that i began to understand the depths of the depravity and moral evil being pumped into American homes and cars via tv and radio. The education system is a central conduit and enabler. Looking back on my assimilation into American culture it is all 20/20, as hindsight goes. Since 2008 when the wheels really began to fall off I have been contemplating leaving.
I want to be careful what I say here because I am not naive to the machinations of the police state. But it has to be said. If you care about your country enough to stick around and andure what is coming, you are GOING to have to die on your feet or live on your knees. I'm sorry. Unless there is some kind of dna shift and subsequent spiritual awakening through activation of the pineal, the acceleration of the accelerating downward trend will continue and bring the shit this year, 2012. It looks really bad. 9/11 was mind-blowing. The Fema stuff and the NDAA looks ominous. I think it’s going to get pretty ugly. In fact, if you don’t have resource preparations I contend that you only have 2 to 3 months before necessary goods will be very difficult to get ahold of.
I’ve seen a little unpleasantness in my time and I assure you that if/once it starts en masse on the US mainland you will wish you were somewhere else. Therefore, make sure you really want to be wherever you intend on being. And if you can’t leave because of irreconcilable constraints, then do what you can to prepare and make peace with your God. You can insert whatever macho and patriotic line is most appropriate here…
One of the few positives to nothing happening this year will be that I will be able to continue reading critically insightful ZH pieces and laughing at the ass-wild and off the fucking wall comments. Oh, and my trading account in the US will still be valid. But I fully expect that to disappear at some point this year…
Best contribution of 2012. Should be required reading for every ZHer.
Unfortunately, due to the usual time zone issues, this jewel appears just as a thread goes stale....therefore it will be probably read by almost none of those who could most benefit.
Keep this handy for a repost at the right time, accrabe. Your precocious wisdom could help a lot of folks who never get a chance to hear stuff vital to their futures, for all the smoke an noise of the I was born here, I'll die here poseurs.
Thanks for posting this!
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
The left (er, now "progressives"), love to scold the rest of us about "sustainability", yet not a single one of their economic plans can be sustained for long.
It should be clear by now that liberalism is the handmaiden of socialism, which is the ideology that we can construct a "sustainable" society by living at the expense of others. Putting aside that this easily violates the Commandments that forbid coveting and theft, this scheme must be funded somehow.
We have spend the last several generations living beyond our means and financing it through economic predation. First, we came out of WW II with the dollar as the reserve currency of the world, and we proceeded to steal the wealth of all dollar holders via dilution. The more non-US dollar-holders the better, for it gave a us a broader base of victims.
Second, we consumed our credit-worthyness by selling perpetual debt instruments. We sold 30 year bonds with the intent of rolling them over with new bonds when the old ones came due.
In order to pay the interest on this debt, we started to view every citizen with income or assests as someone we could place in lifetime servitude, with the intent of extracting the optimum amount of taxes. We are now in the processs of forbidding them from having any financial assets outside of our extensive compliance and reporting appartus, even to the point of asking foreign governments to seize these assets even if stored in non-US financial institutions. The "war on drugs" and "war on terrorism" is each proving to be very handy in providing the State with the powers to monitor and track every private financial transaction.
We no longer live in the Land of the Free. The world is becoming a Prison Planet, at least with respect to financial liberty. And in the end, the Beast will use economic sanctions to force everyone to take his Mark. In the cashless, totally complaint, State, electronic "money" will enjoy real-time control. Who want to be the Enemy of the State when they can turn off your EBT card?
Anyone who insists on remaining independent and self-sufficient will be increasingly called out as someone to be mocked and marginalized by those who support big and Bigger government. Orwell's saying will become true, "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.".
The socialist State must destroy anyone who tells the truth: that the ONLY way to mutually increase the wealth of all particpants in an economiy is through voluntary free exchange. Any other type of exchange destroys wealth. An economy built on free exchange will always grow. An economy built on the idea that we each can life at the expense of others, can only sustain growth as long as the predation is successful.
Today, the graphs that show that each new dollar borrowed now brings less than a new dollar in GDP show that predation is now less than 100% efficientl. And how does the Keynesian react to such data? To suggest that we must have yet another Quantitative Easing, yet another session of money printing and borrowing. Not only the US, but the ECB are doing this. Their "exit strategy" is built to fail. It is not "sustainable". Only liberty, free exchange and free markets are sustainable. Socialism is the ideaology of death.
How many here really believe there'll be an election in November?
Well since the elections are rigged and they can just put another tool in office then it's possible we'll still have an election.
Exactly, just like everywhere (Iraq and the USSR come to mind). There are already indications that RonPaul won Iowa but the status-quo-neo-con-job republicans who controlled the process jiggered him into 3rd place. Expect more of this, as the cretins in control now know well in advance they must prepare to flip his votes to others.
I'm with you and I'm still sticking to my prediction.
OWS will return with a vengeance, maybe even plenty of violence (because it's co-opted at this point). This will come to a head in the summer, end of summer, and Obama and Congress will activate military and federal and local police to clamp down (now with passage of 1540) that obama promises not to use. Uprisings will continue. Obama, Boehner and Reid will come out and probably Romney, too, and say, in order to keep the peace and continuity in place, to protect 'normal' citizens from these violent protestors, they will 'temporarily' suspend the elections until things calm down....of course we'll then have Dear Leader permanently in place, until he's tapped to run the UN.
Stay away form these groups and learn to live a simple lifestyle, and get together with your family and neighbors to get and give support to one another. That is all we can do, whether this comes true or there is 'just' a financial collapse of the world. Keep God in your heart and a gun in your hand.
excellent article here from Mike Adams, editor of NaturalNews "Should you leave the USA before the collapse? Words of wisdom from someone who tried"
http://www.naturalnews.com/034404_preppers_collapse_bugging_out.html
Adams tried living in Ecuador then I think Paraguay and found corruption and other factors much worse than the US. He's now living in a rural community in Texas that is very big on the second amendment and survival preparedness. He says what is happening in the US is going on internationally. Argentina, for example, just passed legislation similar to the NDAA that strips citizens of Habeus corpus, including language about incarcerating citizens for critizing the government. There are global think tanks that are harmonizing all this stuff at the behest of major financial interests. Argentina is implementing capital controls again, too. Didn't they collapse just a decade or so ago? Corruption is so bad they have to reboot the system every generation.
Exactly my reason for not leaving. And if you do find somewhere that you think is safe........trust me these globalist elite piecse of shit have their eyes on it. No one is safe.
Fuck getting out of Dodge. This is my goddamn country. And ill do my part in throwing the fucks that have ruined it out of dodge. Getting out of Dodge is for chickenshits. Do you really think these morons can round up the entire fucking country? We'll see about that.
No! You are in huge trouble, buddy! These morons cannot round up the entire freaking country, but when 80% to 90% of the country is intimidated into supporting those morons, you are screwed. You are screwed because then 80% to 90% of the people around you will happily report you to the predators, or round you up themselves to gain "brownie points".
This is why the time to overwhelmingly resist is LONG PAST. Americans should have taken extreme actions decades ago, at least by 1913 (FederalReserve and FederalIncomeTax) or 1933 (gold confiscation) or the 1960s (Johnson slit the wrist of everyone to fund his insane "guns, butter, war and draft endeavors)... or at least 1971 (when the last link of dollar to gold was eliminated.
The point is... it is vastly too late now. And a great portion of the rest of the population will support the predators, either because they actually like being on the "winning team", or because they are predators themself, or because their head is in the sand, or because they are authority worshipers, or because they see no choice.
My point is, there ain't enough of us (self-conscious advocates of liberty, ethics, justice and individualism). Nobody even talks about the atrocities happening in plain sight anymore. And beyond one very conventional representation (RonPaul supporters), there are essentially ZERO effective organizations to promote liberty and individualism, so our actions are disorganized and ineffective.
speaking of the spanish american war it should come as no surprise that it was another staged event by the mic to start war and conquest...
the maine was blown up by a water mine created by a danish inventor living in peru....the technology was directly and specifically transferred to used by a cabal of american - cuban confederates to create a gulf of tonkin type incident....tr was very enthusiastic for it....the uss maine was deliberately blown up and those fucktarded investigations including the rickover inquiry were smoke and mirrors and forerunners of the fraud which peaked in the warren commission and the 9/11 commission....
that marks the first time that the mic had a hold on usa foreign and military policy and strategy.....and they have been at it ever since....
Unfortunately, we're running out of places to hide in the "First World" nations, though I've moved some money to Canada and Australia. If you are stuck in the U.S. (as many of us are), about the only alternative is to "Go Galt", somewhat like Casey suggests. Basically you plan your existence around the idea that everyone else around you is a thief and they really are out to take everything you own. So you stockpile, buy gold, go solar (even given the long payback), anything to get off the grid. You can't completely drop out unless you want to liv like a hermit, but you can bulletproof your lifestyle by Going Galt. http://www.futurnamics.com/goinggalt.php
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There is an english speaking, former US colony in Asia that qualifies as a good bolthole.
-banks are in decent shape
-government has little resources to create a police-state for anyone
-people are used to make do with little, yet remain very positive
-beautiful women who like foreigners
Do not make the move alone, but go with half a dozen like-minded friends or families.
You can lease or buy my place :-)