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Doug Casey: Is A US-Iran War Inevitable?
Previously we presented some alternative thoughts to the mainstream misperception of the Iranian "isolation" by some of its biggest oil trading partners. Unlike others, we simply believe that the gulf nation, together with the new axis of anti-USD (as confirmed once again earlier today) is simply preparing itself for a barter based economy, or alternatively, one with commoditized intermediates. However, this ignores the likelihood of geopolitical instability caused by intervening US and Israeli interest in the region. Below are some thoughts from Doug Casey of Casey Research on the likelihood of another full blown shooting war erupting in the Persian Gulf, as well as his thoughts on how one may prepare for such a contingency.
Submitted by Louis James of Casey Research
Doug Casey: Is A US-Iran War Inevitable?
US-Iranian saber-rattling or impending shoot-out? In his usual, candid manner, contrarian investor Doug Casey talks about why he believes it's serious this time… why the US is the greatest threat to peace today… why Iran might move towards a gold standard… and what smart investors should do.
L: Doug-sama, I've heard you say you think the US is setting Iran up to be the next fall guy in the wag-the-dog show – do you think it could really come to open warfare?
Doug: Yes, I do. It could just be saber rattling during an election year, but Western powers have been provoking Iran for years now – two decades, really. I just saw another report proclaiming that Iran is likely to attack the US, which is about as absurd as the allegations Bush made about Iraq bombing the US, when he fomented that invasion. It's starting to look rather serious at this point, so I do think the odds favor actual fighting in the not-too-distant future.
L: Could they really be so stupid?
Doug: You know the answer to that one. We're dealing with criminal personalities on both sides, and criminals are basically very stupid – meaning they have an unwitting tendency to self-destruction. One thing to remember is that most of those in power in the West still believe the old economic fallacy that war is good for the economy.
L: The old broken-window fallacy. Paraphrasing Arlo Guthrie, it's hard to believe anyone could get away with making a mistake that dumb for that long.
Doug: People like those in power still suffer the delusion that it was World War II that ended the Great Depression for the US. Actually, it was only after the end of the war that the depression ended, in 1946. In his book World Economic Development: 1979 and Beyond, Herman Kahn documented long-term growth throughout the 20th century. Between 1914 to 1946 – a very tough time, with WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII – the world economy still grew at something like 1.8%. I believe real growth would have been several times as great, were it not for the state and its products. But people still believe that spending money on things that explode and kill and destroy is somehow good for the economy.
L: I suppose they think it's okay if it creates jobs here and destroys lives and livelihoods "over there." But aside from the fact that it's not safe to assume today's enemies are not capable of bringing the battle onto US soil, it still ignores the fact that you're spending money on stuff that gets destroyed – like broken windows – and that impoverishes us all. Worse, the cost is not just economic.
Doug: That's right. This coming war with Iran has the potential to turn into something resembling WWIII, with enormous consequences.
Now, it's hard to speak with any certainty on such matters, because most of what we have to go on are press reports. Governments keep most really critical facts on their doings to themselves, and what you read in the press is as likely as not just a warmed-over government press release – in other words, propaganda. Meaningless, if not actively deceptive. It is correctly said that in war, truth is the first casualty.
L: But we do have the Internet these days, with indie reporters offering coverage ignored by the talking heads in the mainstream media.
Doug: True; it doesn't keep the chattering classes honest, but it does provide some diversity of spin, from which we can try to infer what's really going on. And from all the various sources – mainstream and alternative, Western and from within the Muslim world – I have to say that it appears to me that the Iranians are not actually developing nuclear weapons.
L: Then why do they act in such aggressive and bombastic ways?
Doug: Western powers are pushing them around, telling them what they can and cannot do, and treating them like children or mental incompetents with no right of self-determination. How else would you expect them to react? They may have a collectivist theocratic regime, but it's also a proud and ancient culture.
Now, as you know, I don't think there should be any countries at all – not in the sense of the modern nation-state, and I'm certainly no fan of the Tehran regime, but Iran is a sovereign state. The Iranians resent people from other countries assuming the right to tell them what they can and cannot do with their uranium enrichment program, just as people in the US would if Iranians told them what to do with… well, anything.
L: Do you have specific data to substantiate your view that Iran is not focused on creating nuclear weapons?
Doug: I was just reading about an official report that says that Iran is still not able to enrich uranium to the level needed to make nuclear weapons.
Uranium occurs in two isotopes with half-lives long enough to make it possible to find reasonable amounts of them in the earth's crust: U235 and U238. Most of it is U238 – 99.3% – but it's the U235 that's fissile, meaning, it's the one you want for making nuclear reactors and weapons. So you have to enrich your uranium – to about 20%-30% U235 to make reactor fuel and 90% or better to make weapons.
L: That's why the Russians are able to sell "downblended" uranium from decommissioned nuclear weapons for use as reactor fuel. So, you're saying the reports indicate that Iran is not capable of enriching uranium beyond the level needed for reactors?
Doug: Yes. But again, I have to stress that reliable information is very hard to come by. Remember when the US accused Iraq of having a program to develop so-called weapons of mass destruction? Apart from the fact that, except for nuclear weapons, that term is a complete misnomer, they had no such thing. It was either lousy intelligence or outright fabrication – and I suspect the latter. So how can we trust what they tell us today? Only a fool would be so naïve.
L: Indeed.
Doug: In any event, why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons? I wish none of these countries had them, but they do. No one stopped China, no one stopped North Korea, Pakistan, Israel, India, France, nor any of the others in the disreputable club that have them.
L: Wasn't it too late to intervene by the time those countries announced their nuclear capabilities?
Doug: I don't think so. Israel was friendly, so Western powers looked the other way. North Korea was too rabid, so they were left alone. The other countries are too big. The cat's out of the bag at this point; any country can develop nuclear weapons, if it really wants to. But it's easier and cheaper to bribe a general – or maybe just a supply sergeant – in India, Pakistan, or Russia to get what you want.
Moreover, with the US on the rampage, prosecuting its counterproductive and unwinnable War on Terror, a lot of governments, especially ones unpopular in the West, have got to be thinking about acquiring nuclear capabilities. If Saddam had actually had nukes, the US would have left him alone, just as they've left the Kims to rot in the workers' paradise they've made out of North Korea. It makes sense for a country stricken from the US's official "nice" list and moved over to the "naughty" category to have some nukes. Everyone needs and wants a slingshot to keep the bully of the block at bay.
If you oppose nuclear proliferation, your first target should be US foreign policy, which is the biggest impetus behind the scramble to arms.
L: What about the argument that Iran would use nuclear weapons on Israel, if it had them?
Doug: That's ridiculous. It's true that just one or two nukes would turn most of Israel to glass, but it's a matter of mutually assured destruction (MAD), just as the détente between the US and USSR was. Israel is reported to have about 200 nuclear weapons, and the Iranians know it. Even if they launched a successful first strike against Israel, they would get wiped off the face of the earth in response. The regime in Iran is repressive and borderline lunatic, but they aren't that stupid. No way are they going to attack Israel with nukes. They not only cannot, but should not, be singled out for exclusion from the nuclear club.
L: But they're part of the axis of evil, don't you know?
Doug: Speaking of evil, it's evil to initiate the use of force or fraud. If Iran enriches uranium or even builds tools for war, that's not evil per se. But using force to stop them from doing something that is not in itself wrong is wrong, and that would make Iran's attackers the axis of evil.
In my mind, the US is the biggest threat to peace in the world today. I can easily imagine those in power in the US starting a war over any silly pretext, real or imagined. It could easily happen by accident at this point. Things go wrong. Maybe some young hotheads in Iran's Revolutionary Guard decide to take a boat out and attack a US frigate – launch a few RPGs at it before they're blown out of the water. Then the US feels it needs to mete out some punishment and launches a strike against the base the boat came from – which would be attacking the Iranian mainland – and the thing spins completely out of control. Could happen at the drop of a hat. Maybe the commander of a US ship has a streak of General Jack D. Ripper from Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove in him. Maybe the Russians or the Chinese – who are aiding the Iranians – mount a false-flag incident, because they want to see the US get involved in another tar baby.
L: So… another case of not just doing the wrong thing, but the exact opposite of the right thing, with economic, political, and ultimately physical world consequences.
Doug: That's right. Just look at what they're doing now, trying to isolate Iran from the world with an embargo. That could be seen as an act of war.
L: Well, wait a minute. A blockade is regarded as an act of war, but if Western countries decide to harm their own economies by not trading with Iran, that's unfriendly, but not force or fraud.
Doug: Well, it would be forcing citizens in those Western countries to pay higher prices for things, denying them the choice of buying oil from Iran if they wanted to. But I agree; that's more a matter of criminal tyranny and stupidity than an act of war. Still it sure is prodding Iran, throwing rocks at the hornets' nest, as the US did with Japan before WWII. The Japanese basically have no domestic oil production and were getting their oil from the US and the Dutch East Indies. The US cut off both supplies, backing them into a corner, leaving them little choice but an aggressive response.
At any rate, I think all of this could backfire on the US. Since the Iranians apparently can't clear deposits through New York, where international dollar trades clear, they've made a very commonsense move to cut the US out of the middle and sell their oil directly to India, without using dollars. I think other countries will follow – and then what? Iran isn't going to want bushels and bushels of rupiah or yen or whatever. I think the odds favor them turning to gold. It's said that's one of the means of payment the Indians will be using.
Gold is the logical choice and the next step in the demise of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. There's a lot of demand for the dollar to buy and sell oil. If countries stop using it, demand for the dollar would fall, at the very time the US is greatly increasing the supply of dollars. The day is coming when trillions of dollars outside the US will only be spendable inside the US. At that point it's game over for the dollar.
L: You've talked about the world going back onto a gold standard before. What do you say to the people who say that gold is a barbaric relic from the past that doesn't work in a modern economy – they can't go around with pockets full of doubloons to buy cars or chests full of treasure to buy houses…
Doug: Such people are not thinking rationally and are economically ignorant. As always, we should start with a definition: what is money? The short answer is that it's a store of wealth and medium of exchange. For reasons we've discussed and as Aristotle outlined over 2,000 years ago, gold is simply the best form of money ever adopted. And in our modern world, you don't have to physically cart the stuff around. You can, but you can also transfer ownership of physical gold electronically, through services like GoldMoney.com.
L: Note: We do endorse GoldMoney.com as a convenient and reliable way to own, trade, and transfer gold, but readers should be advised that Doug is an investor in it.
Doug: Right. I like to put my money where my mouth is.
L: Okay, so you see this trend being bullish for gold, clear enough. But most of the gold ever produced in the world still exists in purified form in various vaults around the planet. Gold doesn't get used up like silver does, so there's plenty of supply. So, would the physical need for gold as money really impact the price of gold and related equities, or would that be more a function of governments further debasing their currencies?
Doug: Well, it's estimated that there are some six billion ounces of refined gold in human possession around the world, or, somewhat less than one ounce per person. Global gold production is said to be about 80 million ounces a year, or about a 1.3% annual increase in the supply of gold. That would be the steady, "natural" rate of inflation if we were on a gold standard. The amount of various currency units in the world is increasing at a much, much faster pace than 1.3%. Nobody really knows, not even the Fed, but depending on how you define the money supply, it would take $10,000 to $50,000 – or more – per ounce to back all of the dollars in existence with gold. Whatever the correct number is, I expect gold's price in dollars to increase dramatically as the world moves closer to and eventually adopts a gold standard.
L: So, any investment implications beyond the obvious? Buy gold and silver for prudence and protection, buy gold stocks for speculative leverage?
Doug: That's the basic recipe. And diversify your holdings internationally. You can never tell when the government of your home country will have a psychotic break.
L: What do you say to the people afraid that in a world so traumatized as to go back onto a gold standard, the risk of owning any paper asset, including gold stocks, would be too high? No one will trade gold stocks for a can of dog food in a Mad Max world…
Doug: That's a valid concern. You can't eat paper, and even owning shares in a gold mine may not be of much use in a real economic cataclysm – the US government shut down gold mining during WWII as a nonessential industry. It could happen again. But that's why, as you said, we own gold for prudence, and the stocks are strictly speculative vehicles.
But let's have some perspective. The security of your stock portfolio may become the least of your concerns if the US starts a war with Iran that touches off WWIII. If that happens, the US government and population will both turn hysterical, and the whole country will be locked down like a prison. What was once America will become even more of a police state than it is now. Who knows where that would end?
So, one of the most intelligent things you can do is as I've been saying for years: diversify your assets and your physical presence internationally. Having some place you like to spend time off the beaten track, where you can ride the storm out, should be top priority for everyone who can afford it. Preparing for the worst at home should be top priority for those who can't.
L: Would you care to put odds on open war between the US and Iran?
Doug: I'd say it's highly probable within the next two to four years – say, between 50% and 75% – that an actual shooting war will break out.
L: Not much time to prepare. I sure hope all our readers are doing what they can.
Doug: Me too.
L: Right then. Thanks for your thoughts and guidance, Doug.
Doug: You're welcome. We'll talk again soon.
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I forgot to add: using your logic, why would there be negotiating? For what? According to your line of reasoning (and Casey's), Iran has every right to pursue whatever they want to. So why would they possibly have to negotiate? Negotiations are to achieve a result (I assume Iran not having nukes). But if Iran is free to pursue them, then why the negotiations? Your reasoning, or lack of, is glaring. "War is a continuation of politics by other means..."
So if you want to negotiate, and then the negotiations fail, you would pursue war eventually? If not, then why are you negotiating to begin with? For what? Please explain your paradox.
Sociopaths love to hide in shades of grey. It lets them slowly turn the world black.
You should write haikus. Or better yet, Emo haikus!
Do you really know what you talk about?
Go give to GATA...quit trolling.
I will give it GATA but first tell me what you give us you fucken ...... troll?
Maybe your're a pin but for sure not firing.
whaaaa? you're so angry you're spitting out your corn nuts as you're screaming at your computer screen, huh? How about some input into the discussions...good or bad. Trolling threads to put in one-liner cheap shots shows you for what you truly are; basically a little beeeeaaacccchhhh! LOL!
u r a dork
That is beautiful, Tmos. Thank you.
There are definitely half truths, but I'm afraid they are just in your head. You should be more careful about listening the the MSM.
About the whole "wipe israel off the map" thing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad). According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."
At a news conference on January 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad stated his speech had been exaggerated and misinterpreted. "There is no new policy, they created a lot of hue and cry over that. It is clear what we say: Let the Palestinians participate in free elections and they will say what they want." Speaking at a D-8 summit meeting in July 2008, he denied that his country would ever instigate military action. Instead he claimed that "the Zionist regime" in Israel would eventually collapse on its own.
Please note the following regarding this translation controversy:
The Guardian columnist and foreign correspondent Jonathan Steele published an article based on this line of reasoning.[22]
In a June 11, 2006 analysis of the translation controversy, New York Times editor Ethan Bronner stated:
If you're going to post the Wikipedia paragraph to discredit me, at least post the next paragraph that reinforces my statement. I would like an honest discussion. But yeah, I guess 30+ years of Iranian backed Hezbollah have been created by the MSM. I can't WAIT until they have nukes...
His comments from my research seem to have been referring to the hope that Zionism would end.
Anyone can research the history of the Middle East, and its importance to the British Empire around the time of WW1. The British Protectorate of Palestine was established for geopolitical reasons. It is set up geographically in an area crucial for access to Britains crown jewel colony India. Then after the advantages of oil over coal for powering warships and trains came to be recognzied (more power from less weight/bulk meant higher speed and range), the whole region became even more strategically important.
Bottomline, the population who had lived in the region for centuries had their land taken away and were shafted. (Remember the movie "Lawrence of Arabia" ? Those events are relevant to all this too.) No matter what one thinks of this, Israel isn't going anywhere. (The American Indians got shafted too and theyre not getting their continent back.) Israel has the most powerful regional military and nukes that they can deliver with missiles. They are an energetic and industrious people, & will keep their home. But I don't happen to think they should be expanding by taking their neighbors territory - but thats for the people there to figure out. IMO we need to cut our involvement/support in that long and never ending mess, and come back home and develop our own independent sources of energy.
I won't even start on the subject of 'Peak Oil' and Russian deep abiotic petroleum production theories & practice. (They are now among the worlds greatest producers with wells in places thought 'impossible' by the West.) Hint - - - one's a farce, but if your dollar's only value is that people around the world need them to buy oil from the Saudis . . . . .
The translation is definitely read ZIONISM, not ISRAEL. Those two terms are not interchangeable and don't mean the same thing. Zionism (or the Zionist regime) is a political leadership body. Israel is a country full of people.
So, thinking logically here, if Iran wanted to wipe Israel and the Jews off the map, which indicates killing, why then would he have not ALREADY killed the thousands upon thousants of Jews that coexist peacefully within Iran? Would it not be incredibly easy? Yet they allow them to live there, and don't harm them.
Zionism is not equal to the people of Israel........just as the US government no longer represents its people.
Research Zionism!
Firing Pin - There's nothing honest about Wiki.
That's why you're getting your ass kicked here. All your friends are constantly busy doing crisis managment over at Wiki.
I would like an honest discussion.
Who would rely on research based on Wiki ? There are many sources with credible authorities to cross check.
It should also be eye opening to research the statements of Israeli intelligence and military leaders who have said that Iran does not pose a threat and that going to war is a very bad idea for Israel. Politicians have gone to war to help their ratings and election prospects throughout history and not just in the U.S.
Oh my Bringin' It...please read the posts in chronological order before you write; the previous poster posted Wikipedia to discredit my point. I merely re-posted part of the link he/she provided to give some balance to their selective use of cut and paste. Red arrows don't run my life, nor do green ones. Now knowing this, I would like an honest discussion. Here, let me fit in here: 9-11 was an inside job, there is no higher being, Ron Paul for President, the U.S. is a war-mongering machine, End the Fed, buy gold, buy silver. Did I miss anything?
All good IMO except the being part. Cheers FP.
Some serious group-think here. Are you all long AAPL?
With an Iran war, Benny Bernanke and the Fed banksters will do QE to infinity, Oil will rocket past $350/barrel and food prices along with it.
At this point Bernake's printing thesis will be garbage as the 99% will be stealing gasoline and eating dog food.
Anyone here old enough to remember the Iran vs Iraq War?? Make no mistake that they are not that crazy. They are an enemy. Is peace plausible? Are is the Supreme One hearing the voices saying that they can win the big one?
Eh? You mean the war that the US started through its Iraqi proxy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw
Or were they just supposed to lay back and take it?
Are we invading Iraq? We certainly are if Romney gets in.
He's announced his national security/foreign policy team - and they're the same Project for a New American Century knuckleheads who lied us into Iraq & Afghanistan, and brought us the body-gropers of the TSA and the Homeland Security domestic impoundment centers.
Miss the old old days of color-coded alerts, the Axis of Evil, invasion budgets that go from $1 billion to $1 trillion, anthrax envelopes, and Rumsfeld/Gilead's bird flu scare? Long for the days of secret government detention centers and licking the boots of the Israeli lobby before any US foreign policy decision? You're in luck!
Cohen, Kagan and Dobriansky (members of Romney's announced national security/foreign affairs team) are right off the PNAC signatories list, which also includes Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.
Here's Romney's team:
http://mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2011/10/mitt-romney-announces-for...
Here's the Project for a New American Century (list of names at bottom):
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
At least with Bush, you had a guy who respected gun rights, and spent his off time working around on his ranch. Romney as far as I can tell has zero respect for self-determination of any kind, and is wholely about sucking the last bit of blood from America.
Romney does the impossible: make Bush and Cheney look good.
^This
Romney = another disaster. Who will start more wars? Bush, Obomba, or Romney?
Romtorich.
The only one who is different from the Dogs of War is Ron Paul.
The rest of them can't wait to get in. Of course theyve never been in the military. They have watched the move 'Patton' numerous times however.
so Iran may get a nuke = invade and destroy them
Israel has over 200-300 = tolerance
wtf OVER? Zionists War Propoganda again WTF Over?
is anyone awake enuf to remember tha we fucked up irans system of government in the first place?
had we left well enuf alone, instead of fomenting the overthrow of their government, we prolly wouldnt need to be even thinking about this today
moral of the story?
leave other people alone
let them do what they want so they wont hate you
promote peace and understanding ,not war
live
and let live
You simply don't understand the nature of Islam and in particular the Iranian theocracy. If you did, you would be protecting your neck instead of extending it.
There is no allowance for peace, understanding or tolerance as the west understands those concepts.
Humans tend to impart their own thought processes and values on other humans like they looking in a mirror. It's a deadly mistake in this case.
bang on.
many ZH posters are 'well meaning people that CARE, ......... BUT DON"T UNDERSTAND!"
Islam is Surrender - it is for unthinking gullible FOOLS.
These people are dangerous and must be eliminated.
BS.
Insert Christians & what changes with your point?
Spoken by someone with no understanding of Christianity.
....says the one who forgot "The Golden Rule."
Really? You gave me a down red arrow on the previous statement and yet I did not give you one for yours. : )
I didn't down you.
I think everybody should hire the handicapped. They're fun to watch.
Nice. Keep it classy.
Says one who forgot that you must be converted to Islam or you will be killed.
Christians are saved by Faith and faith alone. It is a free will choice.
Don't forget the many who will never follow any god, but only themselves and what they are addicted to on this world.
Attack Turkey, Saudis, Oman, Quatar, Malesia, Idonesia and others too. According to you Saudi Islam is much better than Irans, why?
Iran cannot possibly be a threat to America because they cannot get here in force. All this crap about Iran wanting to destroy us is nonsense unless we open the borders and let millions of them immigrate.
Iran is very much a threat.
Eventually even dummies can build a tube strong enough to carry a warhead big enough to hurt far enough with enough timeline to work on it.
See, we have worked on the "Bomb" decades ago as a means of trying to save lives just prior to Operation Olympic. I believe it did save both Japan and the USA.
However one person said "What have we done?" when the successful test happened. It would seem the whole world will want this.
Sure 20 million people cannot defeat 300 million, but these are the people who stand on the oil and also stand on thier own uranium. They will make it happen.
Count on it.
Only we and others know it's coming and it will be a Clear and present danger.
I think you mistakenly typed "Islam" and "Iranian theocracy" when you should have typed "Zionism" and "Jewish State".
Do you not understand that their ultimate goal is the VERY SAME that the Muslims are always accused of: World domination!
The difference is this: Muslims don't control the entire world's wealth and power.....Zionists do!
And they seriously plan to take MUCH more terrority than they presently have, just as a little "side bonus" to their prize of global-communist government run by them.
Substitute Islam with Judaism and you can make the same argument. Personally, I would not want to make that argument as there is no worse war than a religious war.
Very few study history anymore.
In the late part of the 5th century B.C., the Persians, through diplomacy more than arms, united the whole civilized societies of the known world under one leader and bureaucracy. The last one to come along, without any bloodshed, was Babylon. At that time the Persians were delighted to tell the "remnant", the exiled jews, that they could return to Jerusalem, and the Persians even donated money and utensils so that the jews could rebuild their temple. Else, where would they be now?
In modern history, the Iranians remember very clearly how they selected a democracy at the end of the second world war. This held while Truman was president because he resisted nefarious, covert intervention. But as soon as Eisenhower became president, the CIA hired thugs and rabble rousers to foment strikes, riots, unrest, and finally the overthrow of the peaceful Persian government. In its place, the U.S. installed a steel-fisted tyrant who bled his peoiple but carried out the wishes of Washington for another 25 years.
Maybe many americans have conveniently forgotten that fact. Even Doug Casey doesn't seem to know about it. But I don't think that all the Persians have forgotten....
"Maybe many americans have forgotten that fact."
They have absolutely no clue of that fact.
Was it on the tv? Because I don't remember seeing any of that on the tv.
yep, one can find such historical reference about the CIA's coup on the Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953 (under 'Operation Ajax') and installation of the puppet ruler, Shah.
Press TV (Iran): http://presstv.ir/
RT (Russia Today): http://rt.com/
CCTV News - China news, world news, video reports, live events, features - CNTV English: http://english.cntv.cn/01/index.shtml
CNC World - Xinhua 24H TV - China
http://www.xhstv.com/english_video_online.asp
of course, none to be found in American network or BBC or Qatar's controlled Al Jazeera :)
Who Owns The Media? The 6 Monolithic Corporations That Control Almost Everything We Watch, Hear And Read
just SEARCH hard enough then one will find it!
You could not be more right.
100% right on the money and the hostage thingie never happened.
Iran really hasn't been arming and funding the destruction of US interests at all.
It is just all pretend.
They just all forgot.
Aslam Alekem Brothers.
"American interests" go against the interest of Americans.
Freedom first.
Research:
Iranian elected leader Mossadegh - - who sponsored his overthrow and why.
Iranian Shah - - who put him in power after Mossadegh and why.
Iranian Shah - - who took him out of power and why.
Khomeni - - who brought him to power and why.
Hint: none of the prime behind the scenes movers & shakers came from within Iran.
This is why the decision was made a hundred years ago to no longer teach history as it had been before, to American children.
history is imporatant but, in this case, it was 15 centuries ago and entirely irrelevant.
The principle or lesson may hold but you are an idiot to think it relevant ot the people who are , currently, by complete accident, located in the region described in history.
its like saying that the germans living in germany today are responsible for the nazi extermination camps.
Oh, I get it! Things that happened in the past are irrelevant, like Nazi extermination camps, and things happening in the present are also irrelevant, like keeping 1.6 million people in an open-air concentration camp with a 50% infant mortality rate and having jams, jellies, potato chips and medicine declared contraband because they can be used for war materials.
Right?
Re. it was 15 centuries ago
koperniuk666 would have never survived in the good old days of ZH. He never would have made it past the captcha.
Sorry koperniuk666 (2000 - (-500)) / 100 doesnot equal 15.
this case ... was 15 centuries ago
Hey, speaking of numerology, whats with the 666?
Iranians are very aware of their history, and that makes it completely relevant in how they feel today about their place in the world.
If only Americans were that aware of the (albeit short) history of their republic and its Constitution...
i didn't have time or patience to read all of this but i can second the opinion that iran is not building bombs against the usa and the broken window theory of keynesianism is fucktarded as all get out....
however, the bush crime syndicate does believe in war and they have very powerful control of cia, mic, and other levers of government which will force the war....romney is the war president - he would be a complete disaster for peace....obama is not much better.
god help us all
I didn't have time to read any of this,
but I can assure everyone Iran has no interests in even pursuing nukes,
they are not a threat to anyone or anything and if not for the evil zionistas the caveman world would be all hunky dory.
Aslam Alekem Brothers.
fame has not been good for this blog. maybe Tyler should e-mail secret passwords to those who wish to have intelligent discourse.
Your screen name is very appropriate.
Having an intelligent conversation with you is **insert your screen name here**
Simpletons work off simple premises.
Let's see how your mind works in your world of black and white...
All Muslims radical. All Muslims evil.
Westerners good. Westerners kill bad Muslims.
I eat my fish and chips and have an Ale. Me kick a Paki and feel better.
I have Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Native American(I'm part Apache), Hindu, Athiest and Wiccan friends. None of them extremists.
Cavemen like you do NOT advance the discussion.
While Monkeys fling shit, this asshole flings Jewish hasbara. Clearly a major leap forward in simian evolution.
What God wants, God gets.
The war is inevitable....unless we elect the only candidate who wouldn't lead us to WWIII.
Ron Paul
http://youtu.be/n6U_xJj-eyw
Please don't be a mindless MSM drone led by the nose. Open your eyes. Learn the history not taught in western public schools.
Just because you don't want to fight does not mean the other guy dosen't. If you want it to be a one-sided affair, well, there's a strong case to be made against that mindset.
It's not "let's be pussies" it's "Let's not be belligerent douchebag bullies picking fights with cripples"
You don't fight unconventional warfare with conventional tactics. Do you think we are in Iraq and Afghanistan to stop terrorism? Or perhaps building a military base the size of the Vatican is about securing oil for the corporations in the West?
Please don't fall into the propaganda put forth by the MIC and Israeli lobbies.
Ron Paul would bring the troops home and secure OUR nation. We can still battle terrorism without being an imperialist occupier.
It's clear that Iran doesn't want war, but Israel does. Israel is just working to get a bunch of stupid Yanks to spend their blood and money and do the heavy lifting while the Israelis cheer them on from the sidelines.
I totally disagree with his statement (I served in the US military and come from a military family - I was an 'Army Brat') but this is what Kissinger said as reported by reporter Carl Bernstein:
'military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy'.
Perhaps thats why 70% of all the donations from current active military go to candidate Ron Paul. The guys & gals who have 'been there, done that' know the difference between the b.s. from the mainstream media and reality.
Sad but true.
War. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! (except maintaining artificial mechanisms of hegemony!)
Say it again! Good God Y'all...
http://youtu.be/kMa10pGpANc
Anything to save the petro dollars because it's not like the world is double lined up to lend the US money in the treasury markets or anything-yields are at dust minus lint just because.
Right they got to yield dust minus lint long before they started buying the long end.
But it sure sounds great!
a better question would be, "Is war with Iran and ANYONE inevitable?"
OT: Obama wants cheaper money:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/15/news/economy/pennies_nickels/
Good documentary from Journeyman Pictures
http://youtu.be/g0GWdQncfc4
All of this is so complicated we'll probably never know the truth because when it finally plays out we're all going to be dead.
Sure just throw it on the tab with the other 2 wars we haven't paid for yet. Of course the Tea Baggers and other conservatives will get behind this one.
Just cut off the benefits to senior citizens to keep the war machine ($ kickbacks) flowing.
Are you calling Leon Panetta a tea-bagger?
But the funny thing is, General Ripper was right. Fluoride is a poison destroying peoples health. The thing he got wrong was who was actually responsible and why.
And now those same culprits have decided another war is in order. Cost to the American people and the world be damned
Doug Casey was one of my original heroes, who supported my bearish, negative beliefs back in the day after I graduated from college.
He wrote "How to Profit From Economic Crisis and The Coming Great Depression", and I read it with full fervor.
However, that book was written in 1983 when the greatest bull market in stocks was just beginning.
Yet another reason why after being dead wrong for nearly 21 years, I dropped the bear case in 2004 and become more "even handed" with my approach to trading.
As documented here in my Xtranormal video:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7955331/confessions-of-a-former-bear-part-1
"Argument at the Office" was pretty good too.
just remember all the "shopping memes" and ask yourself if anything is wrong with this picture?
Charming video... And again I agree with you. Where will it end?!?
Obama approval rating back over 50%, 1st time in 8 months. A GOP dis_approval?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/15/cnn-poll-obama-approval-...
What Doug is talking about is actually a Rothschild-Iran war.
Iran needs to understand the seriousness of the situation and build N-Bomb before this summer. And so does every other country in this jungle of thugs who got any thing worth. This includes Oil, Gold, minerals, food, natural resources and talent, period.
no, it aint. fuck you.
The sooner we turn Iran into a parking lot, the better. We still owe them for when they took US hostages while the coward Jimmy Carter was president.
Fuck Iran. They undermined the Gulf wars. Incinerate them and take their oil.
John Rocker for POTUS 2012.
Smokey1 displayed why so many people think Americans are ignorant hicks when he said:
They still owe us for overthrowing their government in 1953 and installing a bloodthirsty puppet. Nevertheless, for the most part, they still admire America:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/A_New_Day_in_Iran.html
Why don't you march on over there and fuck them up yourself, Mr. Big Swinging Dick?
America itself is being undermined by the foreign policy of its own government. It would be a big fucking step in the right direction if the United States government stopped acting like a gradeschool bully.
http://www.army.mil/professionalWriting/volumes/volume5/september_2007/9...
Fuck your face in the ass, you miserable piece of human waste.
John Rocker...the only guy to make Kenny Powers look like a genius.
Israel continues to try to frame the U.S. into war by using false-flag terrorism.
Hoping to drag the U.S. military into a ruinous war with Iran that would expand Israel’s designs on the entire Middle East, Israeli Mossad/MEK agents on motorcycles assassinated nuclear scienitist Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan in Tehran the weekend of Jan. 14-15.
The young, clean cut, imposing father (see image below) was killed in broad daylight by a magnetic bomb the cyclists had attached to the car in which he was traveling. Roshan was a Sharif University of Technology chemical engineering graduate.
The Israelis hoped that by deliberately planting conspiracy theories that the Iranians would blame the U.S., igniting the nations into war.
Richard Silverstein of Tikun Olam confirmed the report: “My own confidential Israeli source confirms today’s murder was the work of Mossad and MEK.” MEK, the People’s Mujahedin of Iran, is a terrorist organization that advocates the overthrow of Iran.
Joe Hoar, former Central Command Chief General, said of the operation: “Israel is playing with fire. They get us involved in their covert war, whether we want to be involved or not.”
Mark Perry in Foreign Policy summed up concern here at home using a quote from a U.S. intelligence officer: “Israel is supposed to be working with us, not against us. If they want to shed blood, it would help if it were their blood and not ours.”
Or Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan’s. R.I.P.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=Mostafa+Ahmadi+Roshan+image&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7SNNT_enUS421US422
Welcome back. I'll sift through your post. Ready for some aud/jpy fun? Just like the old days, just a bit earlier ehhh/?
I agree. We should just blowtorch the whole country, take their oil, and turn the rest of the place into a resort like Palm Springs.
I nominate you for "Operation Human Shield".
Now that's every bit as valuable as your trading advice.
Please, be my guest! Advance with the first blowtorch and you'll be a hero!
Aside from the obvious hypocricy of the U.S. and Israel regarding nuclear weapons (Think North Korea, Pakistan and now, the Saudis - all states very close to chaos and anarchy), what the west wants is control of the Iranian oil and gas, control of the Persian Gulf and control of the region once Iran is eliminated as a counter-balance to western imperial demands. Israel comes close to being the true rogue state as it has never signed any nuclear agreements with anyone and is continuing its policy of being responsible to no one with regards to weapons of mass destruction. Dennis Ross? Very suspect and a definite neocon in spite of what anyone claims. These days if one heartily supports Israel they can be nothing but a neocon. There are no half measures concerning that observation. When Obama publically stated that he was soooo worried that Israel might act unilaterally, I was convinced that we will attack. They're covering their tracks ahead of events. Always a bad sign. In this case, the more smoke means the more fire. We'll have war. There's no doubt about it. We're currently trying to starve the population and are assassinating key figures in Iran's scientific community, among others. We are hunting hungrily for a return provocation. Actions speak louder than words, gentlemen, much louder.
Dennis Ross?
Diplomat Dennis Ross Returns to Think Tank
Former U.S. envoy Dennis Ross has returned to co-chair the Jewish think tank, The Jewish People Policy Institute, (JPPI) | Arutz Sheva, Israel National News | 1/23/12
Former U.S. Middle East envoy Dennis Ross has returned to The Jewish People Policy Institute, (JPPI) a Jewish think tank. The move comes two months after stepping down from his position in the Obama administration.
Ross, who has a doctorate in Soviet studies from the University of California at Los Angeles, was chairman of the think tank prior to accepting the title of U.S. Middle East envoy in 2009. Ross has served in five US administrations, both Democrat and Republican. Among other senior roles in government, he directed the State Department’s policy planning staff during the George HW Bush administration and was Bill Clinton’s Middle East envoy until January 2001.
He is set to address his colleagues in a speech on Middle East developments at the think tank's Israel offices in Jerusalem on Tuesday. (The event is closed to the public.)
The former envoy will share the position with former top diplomat, Stuart Eizenstat, who served as U.S. Ambassador to the European Union. Eizenstat also served as a deputy Treasury Secretary and a former Under Secretary at the State Department, and with Associate Chairman Leonid Nevzlin. The two men have led the think tank for the past three years.
Avinoam Bar Yosef, president of the Institute, expressed great satisfaction at Ross's return, noting the diplomat has contributed much with “his intelligence and experience.”
U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro, Israeli officials and various academics will also be present at the event.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/152032
seems to be alot of genocidal maniacs out today...seem to be all american...surprise
If you want to know what's really going on over there watch these two videos. You will be amazed. Wesley Clark and an ex Navy Seal tell it like it is. This has been in the works for a long time. And you and I are paying for this insanity.
http://fora.tv/2007/10/03/Wesley_Clark_A_Time_to_Lead
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/bill_wood/bill_wood.html
Ex-Seal Whistlerblower Bill Wood, by LISA M. HARRISON
Really???????
"The regime in Iran is repressive and borderline lunatic, but they aren't that stupid."
The average Iranian might not be crazy and indeed many want to overturn the current leadership but the question is whose hand is on the trigger. No one said it was an easy problem but the risk is real.
Absent a regime change, is there really a choice? No comment as to right or wrong but the Middle Eastern mindset is very different then than the West’s. Just look a Syria, if a country is willing to wholesale massacre it own people, do you really think they would think twice to wipe out Israel?
So if you lived in Israel would you take the risk?
At a gathering of foreign guests marking the 19th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 2008, Ahmadinejad said:
"You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene."[24]
The Iranian presidential website states: that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."[25]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
OMG can anyone BE this stupid?
Evidently, you can!!!!!
You OBVIOUSLY don't understand anything about Zionism! Iran sees Zionist regime as a threat....which it IS!
Do you know that the ultimate goal of the Zionists is to reclaim their original biblical borders found in the Old Testament?
They call it Greater Zion. Now, how do you think it is possible to claim so much land that they do not already possess?
Can you say "thermonuclear war"? How is THAT going to end well? Did you even know that Israel will stop at NOTHING to take this land?
I bet you didn't even know that...
Arthur's quote:
The Iranian presidential website states: that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."
So what's your point? Is there a problem with that?
quote:
Just look a Syria, if a country is willing to wholesale massacre it own people, do you really think they would think twice to wipe out Israel?
quote:
"You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene."[24]
The Iranian presidential website states: that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."[25]
quote:
indeed many want to overturn the current leadership
quote:
Absent a regime change, is there really a choice?
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At this point, this is advance of humanity as proclaimed by US citizens.
Iran is Syria. They share the same mindset. This same mindset leads them to want to wipe Israel out because countries that endure civil war have no troubles in wiping out foreign countries.
Backed by proclaimed stated of mind of Iran that wants to wipe out Zionist regime.
Indeed, the solution is to wipe off Iranian regime. A regular position to take as it comes from US citizens.
Another US citizen who thinks he deserves every single cent he makes.
That is what the incredible consumption of planet resources brought by US citizenism offers.
Israel has the nicest supporters. Their honesty, civility and compassion are a model for the rest of the world.
I'm so thankful that they've chosen this site to share their message of peace and goodwill.
The US has been provoking Iran for years? Let's see: Iran has been sending arms to Iraq to kill our soldiers and we've done nothing. Iran has threatened to annihilate Israel and the USA on any number of occasions, and we've taken the least effective actions with sanctions.
Iran has been developing a missile system with help from North Korean, and facilities to produce nuclear material and we're -- so far -- done nothing.
Doug Casey is just trying to peddle his investment 'expertise' and nothing more. He was crying the end of the financial world 30 years ago. A broken clock is right twice a day, or lifetime.
Everything you say is totally false. I don't have the energy or time to try to enlighten you beyond your obvious MSM brainwashing.
LivermoreJim put his ignorance on display when he said:
Just another lie:
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/get_the_facts_straight_on_iran.php
http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=11816
Do you have any sources for these hysterical claims? The old, discredited 'wipe Israel off the map' bromide doesn't count, as it's been shown to be a fabrication.
Sources, please? Iran has been developing their own missile technology. Considering the threats they've received from the irrational US and Israeli governments, that seems like a sensible thing to do.
...all under the watch of the IAEA, which, as a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, is their right.
Did you have a point, or were you just trying to reinforce the stereotype of America as a nation of ignorant bullies?
Made me laugh.
Typical US citizen game. As if what Iranians have done matter.
The first poster in the sequence does not believe one second what he states. He knows it is false but looks for rationalization.
The first hand.
The second hand is other US citizens trying to sell the idea that if the first US citizen is shown wrong, well, this could change the course of events.
What Iranians have done does not matter, these guys could comply with every demand made by US citizens, they would still be attacked.
Crazy Bankers, crazy Jews , crazy Muslims , crazy politicians, big oil, all need to be hung.
Isreal, that antichrist nation that crucified our Lord, that stoneth her prophets,
drunk on the blood of the saints, practicers of all sorceries and witchcrafts,
children of Satan. Israel, babylon the whore proffering the cup of fornication
to all the kings of the earth by whom they grew rich! So shall they mourn
her and say 'Who was like unto this whore that could sustain an airtight
gangbang with every nation simultaneously!' So shall the nations mourn
for this prostitute , this mother of all harlots, this Mystery - Babylon the Great'
who rideth upon the back of the Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns,
the united nations and Nato and Opec, for reason of filthy lucre
did she abort her own children and devour them! Hecate the
demoness, Lilith the first wife of Adam which did betray him with a Horse!
So shall Jerusalem be found in Sin at the return of the our Lord and King,
that gracious Host of Hosts whom loveth all souls
Jesus of Nazereth
For the lord hath a Daughter in Persia, and a son in Palestine
whom He loves
Thus saith the Lord
I am the I am
and thou art to be not
Or not....
The Book of Revelation sure seems to indicate the Lord is coming back to save Israel and the 12 tribes of Judah in their time of need.
His seat will be in Jerusalem and he will crush the armies of Gog and Magog arrayed AGAINST ISRAEL.
F'ing lunatic.
Or Jesus is just another in a long line of sun deities whose life follows the same pattern as every other myth back to the beginning of time, and Christianity was long ago perverted into a herd mentality religion by the powers that be in order to control the masses.
Oh yeah, our special relationship with Israel? They are a colony of the Federal Reserve, and as colonies are known to do from time to time, they think for themselves and look out for their own interests. However, they are ultimately moved by the same hand that moves us, and the ultimate goal of their foreign policy is our own. Geopolitical, monetary dominance via the profit machine of war.
You can't just look at the book of Revelation. You must read the other prophecies as well. It is VERY scriptural that 1) only a remnant will be saved, and 2) the majority of Israel will be JUDGED for their evil, disobedience, pagan worship, and rejection of the Messiah. They will suffer almost complete destruction for their luciferian Talmud and Kabbalah
Their hatred and superiority in regards to other races and religions, their parasitical and deceptive schemes, will be meted with justice one day.
I don't think it's our place to intervene in their affairs. Their religion is NOT what they want everyone to believe. It is, underneath, steeped in the same satanic and wicked pagan practices that angered God over the course of history.
As for me, I just want every single person in this world to have peace, and do their part in making that happen. I hold no hatred for anyone, but it is impossible to ignore the 500 lb gorilla in the room. The clash of civilizations is coming....
Have you considered that christ was not crucified by jews?
Yup. They let the Empire do it for them.
Sounds familiar.
The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target: [2006]
Good try, but I can't see sunni arabs dealing with shiite iranians. You may want to study some sunny-shiite bloody history.
and yet they have a lot in common also: theDiety, theProphet, theBook, theFast, thePilgirimage, the calls to prayer and remembrance
that said, you are certainly correct in that they are also irreconcilable theologically: one is 'right' & one is 'wrong', no matter which side you "choose" to be "on"
<i didn't read atom_Z's link, tho>
Agree. I am christian but I have read the quran once. I'll probably read it again. Also, I've read a lot and discuss with many religious muslims. I can tell you, there isn't much love between religous shiites and sunnies. For example, there are few sinagogues in Iran for probably 100,000 persian jews. Sunnies make up I think 10% or population and have ....zero mosques. Not allowed.
you had me at "sin-a-gogues"! L0L!!!
long, long ago, a guy named richardBurton, a westerner, disguised himself and did the hajj, all the way, BiCheZ!
here is some info on what he wrote: 1855 Richard Burton "Pilgrimage to Mecca" | Roadshow Archive | PBS
what he wrote might be somehow strangely up-to-date...
Oh my God. That is GUTS. If he got cought he would have been shot to death on the spot.
I bookmarked it. Thx.
That "guy named Richard Burton", when he wasn't going to Mecca (the ban for non-moslems traveling to Mecca was instituted in the early 20th Century, and was temporarily removed when the Saudis needed French commandos to quell a fanatics' uprising in 1979), also discovered the source of the Nile.
It is a lot more difficult to get into Mecca now. The roads are clearly marked ("Non-Moslem Turn-off Ahead Ten Kilometers"), and there are guard posts where one must surrender his Iqama (ID card) on which one's religion is stated. The Saudis are sticklers for this. In fact, in the entire country, the practice of any faith other than Islam is punishable by public beheading. The importation of any religious text that is not the koran or some collection of the hadiths is banned.
The Saudi Government, of course, funds the building of mosques around the world, including Rome.
That fifteen of nineteen 911 hijackers might be born of a system where other superstitions are considered so vile that belief in them necessitates public beheading (bring the kids, it's just after the noon prayers on Friday) should not come as a complete surprise.
Well, you are right, in an unintended way.
That fifteen of nineteen 911 hijackers might be born of a system where other superstitions are considered so vile that belief in them necessitates public beheading (bring the kids, it's just after the noon prayers on Friday) should not come as a complete surprise.
Leaving aside the question of whether any of the alleged 'hijackers' were any more than dupes of a CIA-Mossad false flag operation, the Saudi puppet regime is a construct and creation of your MI-6, the executive arm of the ScottishRite Freemason\Cabbalists who engineered the rise of the socalled "Muslim Brotherhood" in order to manipulate and divide the Islamic world at the time when British(read - Rothschilds)Imperial Policy was based upon controlling access to India and Middle Eastern oil.
The House of Saud itself is of Dohmeh Jew extraction, and, as with other post-Ottoman middle eastern regimes, allied with and dependent upon the central sionist consipirators of the London-Wall Street-TelAviv axis. Since the post ww2 ascendancy of Imperial Amerika, the useful idiots of western-funded phony Islamic extremism have been under the tutlege of the CIA-NSA which used them as proxies in Afghanistan against the Soviets, then as foot soldiers in creating the fake war on terror, funded with the proceeds from illegal Iran-Contragate black money scams.
Salafi extremism is now being used to stoke the fires of war in Syria, as the puppet GCC regimes bankroll the insertion of the same hired mercs who saw service for them in Libya. All this, of course, is at the behest of the madmen in tel aviv, whose messianic cult of Sabbatean end times extremists enlists the support of Christian sionsists like yourself to try and distort the image of the broad liberal Islamic consensus which rules most of the Muslim world by means of foisting these pictures of heartless theological tyranny which are actually nothing more than reflections of your own puppetmasters' lurid fantasies.
You always bowl a good game Chindit ol sock, but as with all such attempts to mislead the gallery, are batting on a sticky wicket!
Always a refreshing change to hear from experts who "know" that 911 was a joint CIA-Mossad false flag operation.
You have no idea how naive and ill-informed that assertion is on the face of it, and that there are people who would buckle over with laughter reading it. I'm sure you got your "facts" off the internet, however, plus used your "common sense" to arrive at that conclusion, so you're clearly as infallible as a 15th Century Pope.
The joke is on you.
Slightly distempered today are we? Tea underwarmed again? Damned Kachin servants!
I have a very good idea that you've tried to evade the substance of my comments regarding your aborted attempt to pass off Saudi Salafi extremism as representative of mainstream Islam by using a pathetic smokescreen; but let's just play along until you come to your senses and realize you are definitely outmatched!
There are seven pieces of information that suggest Mohammed Atta, identified as the leader of the 9/11 hijackers, was probably a Mossad agent:(1) Comments by his father saying his son was with the Mossad, and alive after 9/11;(2) A number of clues suggesting he may not have been on the flight, and possibly disappeared out a back door at the Boston airport;(3) Atta expressed interest in a company specializing in space technology. This company was later acquired by Israel;(4) His ability to speak Hebrew;(5) His involvement with German, Pakistani, Saudi and Syrian intelligence and US military and intelligence organizations;(6) The cover-up of the identity of his German host family by US investigators; and(7) His dual personality attested to by his friends on two continents.
The group that actually was set up to take the blame were Muslim radicals recruited by either Yeslam Bin Laden (brother of Osama Bin Laden) or Richard Secord (CIA) and David Kimche (Mossad) at the probable request of Adnan Khashoggi and Sheikh Kamal Adham (business partners of George Bush Sr.). At least seven of these hijackers used names and other personal information acquired by identity theft. Five of these seven names had affiliations with US military training institutions. Most of the passports used by the hijackers came from the US embassy in Saudi Arabia. Khaled Odtallah (from Jerusalem) was responsible for establishing false American identities for the group inside the World Trade Center. These facts suggest the attackers were organized by intelligence agencies rather than terrorists. These facts lead to the assumption the attack was a joint effort between Israeli and Saudi Intelligence, with US support.
When you're thru buckling over ol sock, pull yur trousers back over yur arse an buckle up! Being David Kimche's illegitimate son is no excuse for letting the side down!!!!!!!
ps....when you've recovered, you may address the issues raised in the previous response to your ravings!
burton was "traveling to mecca" b/c some ban hadn't been instituted yet or he could get the visa back then?
gotta begin somewhere, but...
Burton wasn't the only one to visit Mecca. A Dutch Arabist, Snouck Hurgronje, did the same and wrote the very instructive "The Meccan Feast".
What is it that you do not GET about this article? Shelving the petro-dollar can be done in numerous creative ways. Take a look at the recent ME overthrows....if you do not still understand that the US will do ANYTHING to maintain dollar dominance, then I don't know if ANY amount of evidence will convince you. God help your stubborn denial!
The only way a secret can be kept between (3) people, is if (2) are DEAD! Any questions? Pick your appropriate parties in haste...
Run... Run... Rapunzle <>
I dunno Doug, ya spoke a whole lotta truth and common sense there about Iran.
You do realize that doing so qualifies you as a "rabid anti-Semite" ya?
Just watch it there fella.
Another great piece. War with Iran (originally Persia) and complete domination has been on the agenda since Grandpa Prescott and beyond.
I like his points on criminality and stupidity. You have to safe and sharp and only help the ones that are ready.
Sean Hanity is selling the war on Faux noobs right now. Look, Iran will not give up Kish Island, nor will they bend to the western dollar. So, there you have it. We are going to war alright, no doubt in my mind in some form or fashion, the Iran strategy packet left the Pentagon 3.5 months ago that I know of. It may be in a search engine by now.
Pentagon plans Iran war or something to that effect. Good Gawd, that's a nightmare waiting to happen. My opinion, there will be a false flag here and blame Iran, hey.. worked on 9/11 now didn't it? Worked for Pearl Harbor too. State sponsored terrorism at it's best = means to an end.
Lest we forget about this, if you never believed in "False Flags" or state sponsored terrorism, read page 5 and 6. = smoking gun.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050302011931/http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-7.htm
People, regardless of anybody wanting world peace like Madonna, reality is very crude. It is simply crude.
Iran has been a problem for the west and it is the duty of the western leaders to deal with the problems.
Whether you, or I, or Tylers like it or not, Iran will be attacked, period.
Regardless of the perception of the problems, the following are the ones. Whether true or not, it's irrelevant.
- Probability of a nuclear bomb
- Intepretation of theology that not only allows, but enforces killing of infidels.
- Major producer of the black gold with disruptive capabilities.
- Shown that it can engage into a very bloody war for a very long time during Iran-Iraq war.
- Any other reasons.
These are enough for a leader to act upon. Again, whether people like it or not, Iran will be attacked. The recent PR shows that attack is imminent.
No, an attack is not imminent. Your comment only demonstrates the fact that you've bought the recent PR you mention.
You may be correct. But I'm so addicted to this stuff that I spend 3-4 hrs a day. I am no optimist, no pessimist. I'm just a realist. This is just analysis, not a wish.
They did the same thing before Kosovo war, until bam. Nobody believed it.
However, I still say you may be correct.
+1 for considering what he's saying
Thx a lot. All we can do is analyze and make a move with the money. Ultimately everything is a bet.
Invasion of Iran will only come after a fruiful period of siege to soften the resistance of the Iranians.
US citizens have to kill a few of them through starvation, lobbing missiles and drones before entering.
Laying a siege is already war though.
So yes, war has already begun but invasion, not yet.
Give it a few years, more drug addicted Iranians, babies and children dead from starvation etc before thinking of what US citizen propagate as war, that is the land invasion of Iran as they do not want to tell that besieging is already war.
Usual US citizen drill.
I'm LONG H2o/XAU .
In my opinion only COCAINATED EASING 3 AND 4 will be good for silve and gold. Time to be short until next wave of money printing. Food and energy inflation in USA is about 8-10% so they can't print right now.
Did the Minutes release liberate you? The Fed is effectively Land Locked, as are my understandings of your lack of trading prowess.
Perhaps some Libor is what you should pay attention to/ gov. something
You are totally correct. I'm not a trader. My bad.
Your multiple posts are irritating, please exit the forum, until you have a ligitimate reason for being here. We want this site professional!
If the site becomes professional, I will exit. I have no interest in trading. Quite interested in macro.
Until, then just skip my posts.
I will respect your wish, as far as your posts are concerned. I will not comment unless by accident. I welcome you insult me next time I comment on your posts.
As ( you are the) , Information custodian. I'll use the appropriate channel's. Of curosity/ What are CDS over ECB?
My International team would LOVE to be enlightened?
As I said. Can't debate with you on this. I do not have your trading knowledge and not interested having any. Simple reason. I lost a lot of money. Not cut for it.
made money though by investing macro. So far not bad.
Yum Yum .