Downside Hedge Fund Bets On S&P500 Highest Since 2008

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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:55 | 1594802 topcallingtroll
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"Hedge" fund is about as misnamed as Greenland.

They should be called unhedged funds

Leveraged Beta is not alpha, but is often mistaken for such.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:15 | 1594880 slaughterer
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What you saw yesterday and will see today is those heavy, concentrated positions described above getting smoked by the HFTs of the "other side."   Contrarian paradise for now, until the reality sinks in again. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:27 | 1595234 baby_BLYTHE
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Hedge Fund Hyenas, as coined by Webster Tarpley

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:39 | 1595293 slaughterer
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In Germany, it is popular for establishment politicians to refer to hedge funds as "locusts."

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 14:55 | 1596170 pcrs
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That is projection from their side. Politicians are confiscating wages and saving to the subsistance level. They will not stop fining and taxing untill you are just alive.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:58 | 1594820 IMA5U
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translation: time to buy


how u like BAC this morning?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:10 | 1594865 malikai
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Downside sounds like a pretty one-sided trade these days. I'm thinking it's time to pick up a few ES calls.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:58 | 1594821 russki standart
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Beware the Ides of October.  Without QE3++++, the S&P will deflate like a falling souffle.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:19 | 1594895 Dr. Richard Head
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ZIRP till 2013 is QE3 no?  At least according to Jim Rogers it is.  The Fed will have to be involved in the market to keep interest rates negative for their primary dealers.  True interest rates have not been realized as our centrally planned bearded economist wants to reward his buddies to the detriment of those damn saving type people. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:32 | 1594959 SheepDog-One
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Yep and thats all we're getting for QE3, ZIRP and tools standing by with their tools in their hands. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:37 | 1594992 Dr. Richard Head
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"Tools in their hands"?  They should stop that or they will go blind.  If those bearded fucks overtly annouce QE3, there will be a shit storm.  I would imagine they will just shut their bearded traps, wank their tools in private, and the nominal levitation will continue. All the while, the real losses will be hiding in the teeth of the whipsaw.  Gold and silver are risky bets you know.  Joe Publics gots to keep his 401K stuffed for retirement and all.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:59 | 1594826 firstdivision
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So that explains yesterday's rally. It was just fund's doing short covering.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:15 | 1594881 Thomas
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That's true for all the explosive rallys'. At one point in time, the 13 largest NASDAQ rallies in history were in the 2000-2002 window.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:00 | 1594830 LawsofPhysics
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Explains the rally yesterday and today.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:04 | 1594831 MoneyWise
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They already covering, late info.. Watch your Gold.. :)))


Yeah, baby, keep pumping..

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:08 | 1594855 trampstamp
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Agreed... I need ES hit 1250 so I can make my month. Then it can do what it wants lol.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:00 | 1594832 TradingJoe
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This "run up" will fade into Friday and from there it is DOWN DOWN DOWN!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:02 | 1594837 RobotTrader
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They are dumping PM's and buying the usual suspects again:  SBUX, WFMI, COH, JWN, etc.

And it was only a matter of time before the bank stocks were squeezed huge.  Somebody who bought BAC at the lows yesterday is on the way to "making their year"......


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:10 | 1594864 centerline
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Serious whipsawing. Engineered to kill funds.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:13 | 1594874 snowball777
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Thanks, Robo. There's nothing like your pom-poms to ease a bear's troubled mind.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:14 | 1594877 malikai
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Nice to see you back Robot. By the way, where were you these last couple weeks?  We sure did miss you on LULU's ride down.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:03 | 1595401 d00daa
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"the market isn't pricing in qe3, THE MARKET IS PRICING IN AN ECONOMIC BOOM, LED BY THE US CONSUMER" - momofader


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:04 | 1594840 firstdivision
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Welp, that housing number was better than expected. QE3 argument is getting beatdown this week. Must be keeping Ben busy having to revise his speech with each and every single number coming out.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:09 | 1594859 WonderDawg
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So, you think QE3 is a done deal, huh? I'm doubtful about that, but it's all speculation at this point.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:09 | 1594860 trampstamp
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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:33 | 1594965 SheepDog-One
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QE3 will be the biggest let-down ever.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:05 | 1594842 Dangertime
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Hedge funds are the new sheep.  Stupid, Stupid sheep.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:28 | 1594942 Dr. Richard Head
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Looks like the old sheep have had their sheering, so now it's the hedge sheep's turn.  I would imagine a hedge-wool sweater would be really itchy.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:05 | 1594845 ben_bernanke
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Hedge funds are going to lose a $%^ load of money on those shorts, let me tell you.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:07 | 1594851 Dr. Engali
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Looks like it is probably time to take the other side of that trade. Uncle Ben will ram a printing press up their ass.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:10 | 1594863 Flakmeister
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Ummm... the S&P net short position concerns me... Been builidng an SDS postion, hedging it by selling out of the money weeklies.

These fuckers are hardly ever right and I might have to rethink things....

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:17 | 1594884 slaughterer
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Hope you are not one of the thousands who opened SPY 110 and 108 August 26th puts yesterday at 1140. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:27 | 1594919 Flakmeister
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No... I sold a slug of Aug 26 SDS 27 and 28 calls, covered, natch...

I wouldn't touch a weekly SPY put even if Mothra emerged and started dry humping the Statue of Liberty... Your batting average has to be >60% or so otherwise you will bleed a slow death...

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:17 | 1594888 tarsubil
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Ever feel like you're in a hall of mirrors?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:23 | 1594924 Flakmeister
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Yes, that is a good way to put it...

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:12 | 1594868 Robslob
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Ben has spoken!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:30 | 1594956 SheepDog-One
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'No QE3 for you! Come back 1 year!'

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:55 | 1595100 Oh regional Indian
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Seriously SD? 1 year? That is like 6 lifetimes, the way it's all flying apart. They WILL HAVE TO create a situation where QE x flows, or game up. Will it be war funding, post false flag funding? Who knows. Maybe they will, as a final act, actually drop some money directly into consumer hands, increase SNAP enrollment.... so many ways to keep it going and keep sheep coming for the shearing.

All this current mayhem, whipsawing thrash metal is all Jackson Hole prelims. What comes out of it might be the ultimate dollar destroying move, because it's time has come. But of course, who can say in this rigged game.


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:12 | 1594871 buzzsaw99
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It looks like the runup on the 30y isn't over.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:12 | 1594872 ZeroPower
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Guys gold is absolutely getting destroyed... volume on all ends coming here

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:15 | 1594879 snowball777
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And so early for Christmas shopping.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:19 | 1594894 ZeroPower
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Indeed. Ill probably wait till end Sept for my 'Christmas' shopping since ill be paying ~$1500 then:)

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:25 | 1594929 snowball777
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Flew past resistance at 1780 didn't it?

Options expiry be a MF, ZH.

Damn you Hugo!!! ;)

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:30 | 1594955 Dr. Richard Head
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Speaking of Hugo, someone is going to have to go into the market to purchase that gold (cough....JPM.....cough).   Come Monday the rally in gold and silver return? 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:18 | 1594890 malikai
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Do you smell that? That smells like Benocide's "deflationary risk".

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:23 | 1594923 magpie
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"No one loves tradition, only the smell of freshly printed FRN in the morning."


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:21 | 1594908 WonderDawg
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Good, let it keep dropping, I need to buy some more.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:14 | 1594875 Archimedes
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The market is higher because the CBO predicts the economy will grow faster than predicted. This is the same organization that predicted in 2001 that the US would have a 16.8 Trillion dollar economy and a 2.5 Trillion dollar surplus! So with a 14.3 Trillion dollar deficit on its way to 16.8 Trillion the CBO was only off by 19 Trillion or so.

Come on people. Please ramp the market up into Friday so I can short it again....fools.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:15 | 1594882 snowball777
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Was that prediction pre or post Dubya tax folly?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:20 | 1594904 Sockeye
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These guys all going short fits with my latest working theory:
Ben doesn't want gold to compete with U.S. $ as a reserve currency. He will crash gold (and equities) by announcing an end to additional QE measures.
Junk away!

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