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Dr Kevin And Mr Warsh: A Former Fed Governor Exposes The Fed

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Ex-Fed Governor Kevin Warsh provided much food for thought during his appearance on CNBC this morning. Over the course of the following clip, he addresses concerns from just how bad the reality of the global economy must have been for Bernanke and his merry men to have gone "all-in" aggressive - reflecting on this as a panic-like reaction during times now where we are not panicking, the ineffectiveness of QE3 "iPhone 5 will do more for the real economy than QE3", fears over how bad this could get as "there is a reason 'exit' is a four-letter word." Warsh notes the paradox of Bernanke "trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat' each time the economy loses control while calling for Washington to do more - as the politicians know "there's not much we need to do, Bernanke has our back." We are not in a panic, we are in a lousy recovery and when asked what he would do, Warsh added that there is a ton Washington can do - and the key difference between him and Bernanke is the ranking of costs and benefits - indeed with WTI already over $100/bbl, the costs are rising.

On Bernanke's exit strategy: "In the history of central banks, getting out is harder than getting in"

His comments are far-ranging but mostly 'disappointed' in our view that Bernanke has done this. "We are running these program like infomercials" is how he describes the short-term actions of the Fed, but the following conclusion is perhaps the most humbling for any and every bull long-only manager who has backed up the truck of unreality:

Look at the markets now; asset prices continue to melt up. When asset prices are driven less by fundamentals and more by speeches and policies coming out of Washington, you're taking risks. Risks are highest in the economy when measures of risk are he lowest; and when I look at the VIX at this level and you compare that to the headlines you read every morning, they certainly don't seem in sync, and that's exactly when shocks happen.

 

 

and one more shot across the bow:

"If they believe the economy and prospects were moving even slowly to a higher path, I don't think they would have decided to be nearly as aggressive."

 

"I don't like the bang for the buck. I'm not persuaded by the efficacy. I think there are people out there, perhaps even of prevailing opinion in Washington, who think the balance sheet can grow another $3 trillion to $5 trillion to bring us to optimal policy.

 

The reason I don't believe much of that, who are we buying this debt from? Last year, the Federal Reserve bought 77% of all of the debt that Tim Geithner issued. It doesn't mean that the Federal Government doesn't have an important role to play; but our largest buyers of securities, domestically and overseas, they aren't fooled."

 


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Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Benedict Arnolds....string em up!

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Precious
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Any person who lives in the group think of DC, and has a magic machine that prints money at will, would be pulling the lever too.

Bernanke is only human.  He's just another little piece of modern shit unable to control his natural, narcissistic human impulses.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Only when you realize that the choices being made by Ben & Obummer are to destroy America, do things start to make sence!

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment madcows
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Why would ben want to destroy the economy? He's got a shitload of treasuries on the books. If the US defaults, he's bankrupt.  I think it's much more nefarious.  Benny is the bank.  He wants more money.  Obama wants to be re-elected.  Printing makes everyone happy, Obama gets re-elected.  Obama's re-elected and Benny keeps his job.  Benny keeps his job and gets to continue stealing from the American people.

Off with their heads.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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I think both can be true at the same time. We don't have to default to be destroyed. When the interest rates rise alot of people at the top will make alot of money but the country will be destroyed for the average person who has to pay for it all.  During the last great depression there were still people who had money and jobs. The banks and elites took all the homes then too just like today.

 

 

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:20 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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no wonder he is a former... confusing benny and the jets with reality....

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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Bernanke is not "all in".  That will be when he starts charging interest on excess reserves, which will be known as "Operation Twist The Fucking Knife."  All of this "all in" talk is just more stupid fucking jawboning by stupid fucking insiders who want the latest move to achieve the desired result.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment Robslob
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Central Banks at their best:

http://screencast.com/t/HwzHe5pB

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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I guess one question is will qe3 help obamma with re-election or not? If previous qe is any indication it will not help to reduce unemployment but it will likely jack up food/energy price. If so, and if gasoline price jump to $4/gallon, will obamma supporters even be able to drive out to polling stations?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Are you telling me we have a chink in the armor?

 

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment NumNutt
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More then a chink.  More like we are suddenly aware that our armor is made out of nothing but worthless green peices of paper.  

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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Nonsense the democrat's will bring them in bus loads to vote. None of them will fault obama they said over/over again at the convention it's not his fault he is blocked at every turn.  The other non stop whine is still after all these years bush's fault.  As long as they get the hand outs they will vote for him. Dems also say

‘Once You Vote Black You Never Go Back’

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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"Once you go black, you never go back (to prosperity)."

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Hopefully not.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment Buzzworthy
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Buckle up, this plane is going down.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment tawdzilla
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yeah, but when?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:36 | Link to Comment NumNutt
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Most likely sooner rather then later. As I type the current price of Brent crude oil is over 116 a barrel and climbing. The last great recession started when the price of gas shot up. Well thanks to the assholes in Washington we are going to see prices go very high, how long do you think we can survive with the price of food and fuel going through the roof? The only good thing is my gold is increasing in value, or is my paper dollars decreasing? Oh never mind it is the same thing.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment El Hosel
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... Anytime now the Chairman In Chief is going to put on his flight jacket and declare victory on the financial crisis. All hands on deck for the grand poobah's announcement.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment pamriallc
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Very simply put, the Fed pays back 85-90% of the interest it receives on the assets it purchases. So there it is. Timothy Geithner issues the bonds, the interest is paid to the Fed who then pays it back to the treasury.

That's right. And that's why the USA can issue all of the debt to the Fed that it wants to. This is ALSO WHY THE DEBT WILL ALWAYS BE ROLLED....AND NEVER SOLD.....

If this debt were in the hands of the Chinese, we would pay interest which we wouldn't be able to get right back. Effectively, this debt scheme of the Fed is simply allowing the US Treasury to issue unlimited T-30 with an effective rate near zero since the Fed gives the treasury the interest back. Those interest payments don't come back if ANYONE ELSE OWNS THE BONDS so now everyone knows why the debt issuance "isn't a problem for the USA" when there's no interest actually paid debt at all......

What about repaying principal? We get to figure that out in another 30 years..... research@pamria.com

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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...and precisely why the rest of the world will dump the dollar -  FAIL.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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and currency inflation?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Ironically all the average customer sees is their monthly/quarterly statement, not the "market risk" that drove that statement up.

We instinctively understand that the best thing to do is buy when "things" are on sale.......except for stocks and bonds. The amount of conditioning that preceded this herd behaviour is unbelievable and centers on the money meme that mesmerizes us like deer in the headlights of a Wall Street armored truck.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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Not only does the average customer look at their monthly/quarterly statement, but they think in nominal terms instaed of inflation adjusted terms.  Fuzy math makes sense to the sheep, since it matches the texture of their coats.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment rufusbird
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Most people I know keep talking about a recovery where the value of their real estate goes back up and they don't stop to consider that when that occurs their paychecks won't cover their expenses any longer.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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Tyler,

OT, but have you seen Super Typhoon "Sanba" heading straight for Korea/Japan?  175 MPH winds.

This fucker makes Katrina look like a nice sailing day.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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A report this morning stated "gusts" were over 200 MPH.

How the freak would you even notice the 200 MPH "gust" in the face of a steady 175 MPH freight train coming straight at you? BTW this is the second super typhoon in the last 45 days for that area.

Ouch!

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Killtruck
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Wasn't there some kind of delicate situation going on in Japan? Something to do with funny-looking butterflies and weird steam coming up out of cracks in the rocks? I dunno, I heard they were trying to put seawater and a tarp on some building over there.

Maybe the tarp can withstand 175 mph winds?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:45 | Link to Comment CPL
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iPhone 5.1 is happening...nothing to see here...move along.  The great and powerful GoJ had spoken about how things were fixed.  My favorite part of that storm is how it's being ignored

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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CTL-P and Radiation for Everyone, Bit-Chez!

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:36 | Link to Comment TheDriver
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Will this affect the delivery of my new iPhone?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment goldm3mb3r
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iPhones for all and a chicken in every pot!

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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A Super Typhoon cripples one of the few economies (South Korea) which isn't completely fucked already? There's something Apocalyptic about that. Nice.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment jjsilver
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OMG, what an exposure, I'm so informed now.CNBC works so hard to bring us the truth.

 

Here is the real exposure folks.

 

The Credit River Decision

A Minnesota Trial Court's decision holding:

    the Federal Reserve Act unconstitutional and VOID

   
holding the National Banking Act unconstitutional and VOID
   
declaring a mortgage acquired by the First National Bank of Montgomery, Minnesota in the regular course of its business, along with the foreclosure and    the sheriff's sale, to be VOID

http://www.constitutionalconcepts.org/creditriver.htm

 

[ also see congressman Louis T. McFadden's Speech]

http://www.afn.org/~govern/mcfadden_speech_1932.html

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment chunga
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In a shocking surprise the attorney was later disbarred and Justice of the Peace Mahoney died rather mysteriously shortly after his decision (later over-ruled)

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment mrktwtch2
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spx heading to 1600 by year end no matter who wins..dont fight this tape..by tvix at 60 cents..lol

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment hack3434
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Soo...ummm...I think Ben knows he's fucked!

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment adr
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Selling stock has pretty much been banned. Chipotle, Priceline, and every other stock that rightfully sold off big when earnings didn't come in to support their lofty valuations are all almost back to where they were before they sold off. Some are actually higher.

Just buy everything and watch the wealth roll in. It worked out so great the last few times.

The last shred of dignity this market could have claimed, is long gone. There is no reason to trade anymore, in fact there never really was a reason to start in the first place.

 

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment BrigstockBoy
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Yeah, like some of what he says but he's ultimately an apologist for Bernanke and the Fed. And his spiel about the Fed being worried about Joe six-pack is utter BS.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment nobusiness
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I can see why they had to make hime a former Governor!

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment pndr4495
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How long before the US Dollar loses all of its hegemony as the accepted medium in international trade ?  Resentment packs a wallop when it manifests itself.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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The central bankers stink of fear.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Assetman
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Fear and delusion.

If the umployment were "fixable" with monetary policy tools, they would have already been fixed with 3 years of ZIRP and $2 trillion in Fed balance sheet largesse.

Warsh's assessment I think is the correct one: the Fed's cost/benefit model is out of line with reality-- there hasn't been meaningful "benefits" to the unemployment picture-- and there won't be this time either.  The Fed would be better off buying iPhone 5's and giving them away for free.

The more dangerous thing for this Fed, however, is that they're making blind assumptions on the cost side-- i.e., how does Bernanke know with certainty that the costs of reversing Fed largesse are managable???   Everything outside of conventional policy has never really been tried before, yet there seems to be an odd certainty that market conditions will be optimal when the Fed finally decides to shrink the balance sheet back to size.

And as we speak, 5-yr implied inflation expectations are kissing the 3% level. 

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Ben Bernanke is an honorable man? Are you shitting me?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Pretty sure i've mentioned on this site......numerous times......that the idea of the FED not doing QE3 unless there's a crash was a ludicrous idea at best. For several reasons including:  everyone already thinks the Feds are fucking morons--THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT, and...........why would you spend gazillions building something up, pull the plug knowing full well it will tank?  No, you build on what you have already built.  Which is nothing for most of us.  There are a few subjects that should be mentioned around here but never are.  Imagine the amount of pissed off people there's going to be if the markets crashed and end up losing their pensions!  Of course I think it will happen anyway but it will keep the status quo fucknuts in power long enough to continue bashing our rights and taking over the rest of the world until nothing matters except them.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment “Rebellion to t...
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Put a fork in it!  We are done.  When the dust settles after this Greenspan/Bernanke shit storm of easy money policy ends, there will be 300 million debt slaves in search of a handful of banksters, crony capitalists, and politicos hiding out in their vast estates. This is turning into a Dickens/ Victor Hugo novel; and I sure as shit am not going to bide my time peacefully awaiting debtor's prison because some greedy Jew, any Bush, or some moron half breed Kenyan who pretends he's brilliant, says this is how things shall be.

Be on guard, and always ready to storm the palace!  This is going to get interesting...

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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There's no need to fear, Charmin Bernanke is here.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment bankruptcylawyer
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they didn't use the word 'print' in this 11 minutes even once. 

 

'bring back the balance sheet' . 'exit' . other nonsense. this is the code you need to hear to understand this is propoganda and lies dressed up with a sprinkle of semi-irrelevent half truths about the dangers of printing.

there is a point where they talk about the risks of 'exit' in the other 'direction'. which means they know what will happen if they raise interest rates sharply and cut the shit out of credit. right now, the entire treasury would either collapse, or result in the total destruction of investment and the beginning of the rise of savings.

 

what happens if the u.s. raisies interest rates? a total crash of the stock markets. 

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment CPL
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The proper term now is "conjure".

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment analyzer_66
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Give 40 billion a month to consumers instead to pay down debts.  The big banks get this money and pump the stock market up to oblivion and unemployment rate to the moon.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Floodmaster
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It's good politics for the rich boomers, the mayfair economy, and very very very bad for the new generation.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Racer
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The ChairSatan has opened Pandora's box

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment falak pema
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She was the first mortal woman created, so its to be expected; he wanted to get into her honey bun and like the fool he be only succeeded in letting her escape into humanity's lust driven fear-o-sphere.

Now its :  "quick put her back in there box!"... "But, but, I can't she is everywhere"..."Nevermind, we will dilute her desires with ours of greed is good"..."But, but, then we become her!"...."You fool, we invented her, for our pleasure, and she escaped us. So more fool the sheeple! They will now get double portions."...

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment khakuda
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Smart guy.  You can see why he quit the Fed.

He should replace Bernanke.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment JuliaS
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He's an idiot. He respects Bernanke and thinks he's a credible expert. He thinks the Fed has interest in the real economy. He thinks QE will help the average man and positively affect employment.

The only Bernanke that should be replacing the current one is a dead Bernanke.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:31 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Here is the justification of the FED move provided by the egg heads of the print to infinity academic brigade :

Who Is Scott Sumner - Business Insider

Nominal GDP Targeting pseudo-science economics at the olympics of clay ball-trap shooting.

Big Ben chimes of Qe-infinity choir chorus rhymes. 

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment ThisIsBob
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Tell it to price, Kevin.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment edt
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He made an interesting point when he said that Ben was behaving as though it was 2008, which he didn't feel was warranted. If not warranted today, compared with 2008, then why- is it that then as now we are heading into an election and Bernanke considers helping the Democrat incumbent a quid pro quo for helping the Republican incumbent last time, even though the Republican (Bush) wasn't standing for re-election? Perhaps Bernanke considers that the Republicans wouldn't stand a chance this time round if he hadn't softened the effects of the crisis coming into the elections in 08, given the utter discreditation this would have unleashed on an 8 year Republican term. I think the suggestion is that Bernanke is political- why else did Warsh insist above all that Bernabke was a man of integrity, a public servant? He was veiling the attack imho.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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Ben Bernank just made it rain and exited stage door left. Out of bullets, bazooka shot's and idea's. The model is broken and every attempt to plug the holes resulted in 2 more afterwards.

We already struck the Ice Burg and are keeling, As planned.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment headadoor
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Isn't it sad to realize that a play toy will do more for the economy than QE3456789.... Next gold confication.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment OneTinSoldier66
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These former Fed Governors sure are crawling out of the woodwork lately. Anyone else notice that?

 

Bernanke is "genuinely concerned" all right... about bailing out insolvent TBTF Banks. That's who he "buys time" for.

 

A question that I would very much like to see being asked of one of these former Fed Governors is, "what is money?" Of course, I'm sure the only answer(s) they would come up with are ones that perpetuate the fallacy that money is something that should only be left under the control of Central Banksters.

 

Happiness is being your own Central Bank.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment larz
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Becky Quick????!!!! give me a break we are rats on a sinking ship decent honorable man???!!! this isnt about phd's or decency its about boots on the ground and getting shit done and that ship is the Titanic  wow  we are all honorable and decent humans lets give ourselves a great big hug - we are under fire with little cover for love of God

w

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment bankruptcylawyer
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how did the romney campaign respond to the biggest financial news of the year....crickets. 

*cricket*

I think this is proof that debasement to fund the tbtf banks is THE bipartisan issue.

 

and then people will have the balls to go on tv and lie about the "too big too fail" banks. "we will not bail them out again". just as they are currently being bailed out and no-one says a godamn thing. this pattern of ruthless debasement over 4 years, without punishment of crime is making a trend. this is going forward toward a very big LIE> and it's going to result in a huge tragedy of famine and war one day. people will be slowly led down this path. 

 

even if there is something the fed could do to stop it, other central banks are stuck in the prisoners dillema with the fed. you think russia and china will play 'fair'. i cannot wrap my head around the issue entirely, but the fed is clearly going to lead the country more rapidly towards war than is necessary. 

 

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment GolfHatesMe
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First i have heard about Warsh since he left the Fed.  He was the only guy to stand up to Ben when he was in the Fed.  I was truely irritated when he left, supposedly for some BS reason.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment neutrinoman
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Great interview.

What about that -- let's get the smartest guys and gals around to plan our economy ... like Greenspan, Geithner, Summers, Bernanke, Barney Frank, Elizabeth Warren .. great track record, no?

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 17:38 | Link to Comment Catflappo
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Kernan always gets so defensive when any guest dares to question what's going on.   He borders on getting outraged.

 

What a closed-minded, intellectually challenged, self-righteous cock.

 

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