Duration In Pimco's Total Return Fund Soars To Near Record, Highest Since 2007 In Anticipation Of QE3

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Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:24 | 1661399 Spitzer
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He was short treasuries because he thought the economy would improve.

Wrong for the wrong reasons. What an idiot. It also proves that he is a total keynesian.

Who gives this moron money ?

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 21:20 | 1662098 Deadpool
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Bill Gross is a book talking pimp who made many fortunes on the 40 year bull market in treasuries. Selling to Allianz set him up for life and now he's just a Mercedes maxist with a sweet pad on the beach where he does yoga and collects stamps. pimp-co is a fee sucking fraud and as the US yield curve goes flat line like Japan his fee for management days are numbered. Better swap those stamps for St Gaudins, Billy!

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 02:51 | 1662752 ParisianThinker
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Isn't this the goal? He has "made it".

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 07:50 | 1662984 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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But he'll still take my money, right? I mean, it's not too late to get into PIMCO, right?

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:22 | 1661406 GeneMarchbanks
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That's right, Gold futures bitchez

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:26 | 1661419 Spitzer
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Yeah. The gold bears (the general public, Dennis Gartman and Nuriel) are all licking their chops, wanting to see the gold market crash to zero just because gold had a bad day today.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:31 | 1661447 TheTmfreak
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By bad day, you mean of course bad day for those who haven't realized that this means one can purchase more real value with no value.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 18:20 | 1661621 Twiggles
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Exactly! as a youngin  I want 1000 gold again; =>  income stream = more kruggies

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 19:02 | 1661733 Taku
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Gold. Silver.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 23:34 | 1662477 theotheri
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Buying gold today is like taking a NINJA loan in 2006.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:21 | 1661401 Josh Randall
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QE3 - Baked in since day one -- its the only tool these tools have left

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:26 | 1661418 SheepDog-One
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And the funny part is next weeks FOMC will deliver no QE3 free trillions for stocks, todays action is total proof of that. If QE was coming, theyd all just position short and ride it down to 10,000 or 9,500 or so....no deal, theyre emergency recovering all declines no matter what criminality it takes.

If no conditions existed to deliver QE3 at Jackson Hole, then they certainly dont exist now!

QE3 is DOA. Prepare to get a couple trillion subtracted from it all.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 18:44 | 1661689 TradingJoe
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Sheep, my guess is that Gross is just another govwhore, he wasn't IN the last time and lost, now he's back with the gang and has the inside scoop! Or not?! I am certain of ZERO money on Tuesday but are they or simply begging they think will get them what they want?! I highly doubt there will be anything as long as politically unattainable!

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:23 | 1661402 TruthInSunshine
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Fading Bill Gross is a safe bet these days, however.

He never got the Maximus red paint splashed across his chest that the Monetary gods use to express approval (I also noticed that Lord of The Flies Blankfein & his motley crew at Goldman have either been set up as an election year fall guy or have really and truly fallen out of favor given what are going to be hundreds of significant lawsuits over the Abacus-Hudson-Timberwolf, etc saga, and more).

He's to bonds what Bill Miller's been to equities, as of late.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:50 | 1661518 Mike2756
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Buy tbt for a retrace to 30?

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 19:20 | 1661772 cosmictrainwreck
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after-hours would indicate such....they like it here

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:23 | 1661407 SheepDog-One
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Well Bill Gross is about to be cornholed big time when no QE trillions are delivered a week from now. 

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:25 | 1661415 DefiantSurf
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that would be fun to watch, but you have to wonder if his statements are contrarian and he's playing the other side of the trade...

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:27 | 1661422 SheepDog-One
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Gross has been batting .000, I dont count on him being suddenly right now.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:41 | 1661479 thepigman
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I dunno....if ZH has his duration right at over 6, he almost couldn't be more bearish for an intermediate bond fund.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:23 | 1661411 jmcadg
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Baked in, but not yet. Ben's gotta see markets get slaughtered first. S&P >900.

Bill Gross' got keep his brown trousers on a bit longer yet.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:28 | 1661425 SheepDog-One
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Which day between now and FOMC 7 days from now is Ben going to let the S&P proceed to 900??

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:25 | 1661412 HpDeskjet
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QE3 won't lower rates, just like QE1 and QE2 rates will go higher... QE is not about interest rates, it is about equities/other risky assets since more QE delays the inevitable depression a bit longer, so PIMCO will be wrong again

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:26 | 1661417 Belarus
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It has to be more the Operation Twist on Sept. 21st. That is what the maket expects already--at minimum. There must be LSAP coming.....and that is something Bill Gross has front-run to 100% of perfection. 

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:30 | 1661433 SheepDog-One
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There has to be a $3 trillion announcement to account for all thats been baked into these clown markets since Feb when they started baking in QE3 to every bit of bad news.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:27 | 1661420 SaveTheGreenback
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Aside from buying physical Silver, shorting Treasuries is probably the most attrative long term investment opportunity...

Does anybody disagree with the notion that rates will go up violently in a few years and hyperinflation is on the way?   game over when that happens...

LOL! Will they actually promote auctions for 30-year bonds with negative yields?  Might as well cut a check to each American for $50 so we can buy some silver.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:31 | 1661438 SheepDog-One
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'In a few years'? Made me chuckle...thanks.

Why will rates suddenly go up in 19% unemployment USA and who will back up those rates?

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:48 | 1661509 CvlDobd
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Yep, Japan rates went sky high.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 19:09 | 1661745 SheepDog-One
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Sorry to tell you but Japan is not in any way the US.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 21:38 | 1662160 Johnny Lawrence
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Love you, SheepDog...but I disagree with you 1000%.  Japan is an incredible blueprint for what's happening right now in the US.


And I've said this a million times...being bearish on bonds has and continues to be the most anti-contrarian trade around. 

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:30 | 1661439 treemagnet
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Its like Ben wants the Euro to go first.  I suppose that way he can print at least as much money floods in to the dollar safe harbor with little or no change to the dollars value, plus whatever "go big" number his keynesian pals have in mind.  Wall street will be publicily begging - print, tv - begging like a junkie for another hit.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:31 | 1661444 Belarus
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Aside from buying physical Silver, shorting Treasuries is probably the most attrative long term investment opportunity..

Great minds must think a lot alike. If your a long-term investor, shorting treasuries in the biggest no brainer the world we ever see. Over the long term, say no less than 3 years, there is simply absolutely no way yields stay low.....

That is something that even that Pimp, Warren Buffett, and I can agree on. Treasury bubble in full swing. Either things get better and yields ultimately go higher or they don't improve and they keep printing money. Either way, treasury yields are going far higher in the years ahead. But who has time to think of in years...when getting paid in cash could become meaningless. 

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:32 | 1661452 thepigman
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Except QE3 ain't what you think it is........ refi-o-rama combined with

continual fed buying of MBS with the refi proceeds.....net net, a wash.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:37 | 1661460 SheepDog-One
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So QE3 will be an announcement to come to the bank with a $5,000 to refi and sign a mortgage the bank doesnt have now....and that will be met with wild market euphoria?

QE3 of 1% house refi rate aint gonna cut the mustard, theyve baked in trillions worth of free money into these equities. Whatever they do will be a wash, best case scenario. I believe they have hit the wall here, when they rely on a stupid rumor daily to stick save the dead markets.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:32 | 1661456 monopoly
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He was wrong last time, and he will be wrong again. Agree, investors leave money with his company.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:35 | 1661462 High Plains Drifter
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Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:40 | 1661476 virgilcaine
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In the 1929 era this was called front running i believe.. it is illegal.  Crash here we come for no other reason than this cesspoll has to be flshed out.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:46 | 1661502 cocoablini
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If he is big into bonds suddenly, the 7 and 10s will flatten just because everyone will race there. A self-fullfilled prophecy. Is Gross dumping short notes?

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:54 | 1661515 runforthehills
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JGB's have been on a bull run for more than 20 years: http://goo.gl/qYM14

not a suprise the slimy "bond king" is not short anymore 

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 17:52 | 1661529 dcb
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he's going to loose again. Qe raises inflation expectations, therefore yeilds rise, therefore you short them with QE.How many times you need to see the pattern? if yopu wanted to buy jun bonds, with QE I could understand that.  I only play the l;ong end of the curve anyway

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 21:24 | 1662110 Deadpool
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None of what you say is automatic. Japan has a flat yield curve with no growth and low inflation. Aka stagflation. Expect that scenario before higher rates.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 18:03 | 1661568 max2205
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It's not like Bill to chase yield ESP when bonds are up 30% in the last 3 months. Timmmauh must have put a gun to his head and told him to get on board. TLT to 2.5%?????

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 19:40 | 1661815 Downtoolong
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That's investing for you; even when you're right you can still be wrong. If you can't beat em, join em, especially when the bonus deadline is around the corner.


Mon, 09/12/2011 - 22:27 | 1662284 JW n FL
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New item in your series of interest:

IMF Survey: F&D Spotlights Widening Gap Between Rich and Poor The disparity between the haves and the have nots is increasing, according to Finance & Development magazine. Some say that inequality doesn’t matter as long as markets work and economies grow so that everyone gets more. But research finds advantages to reducing inequality.




More or Less

Finance & Development, September 2011, Vol. 48, No. 3

Branko Milanovic

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Income inequality has risen over the past quarter-century instead of falling as expected

INEQUALITY is growing. Disparities are increasing—between the rich and poor in individual countries, and until recently, between countries. The global financial crisis is keeping real incomes stagnant in advanced economies but it probably narrowed global inequality between citizens of the world, because most developing countries continued with strong growth. Some say that inequality doesn’t matter as long as markets are working efficiently, or if everyone is getting more. Others argue that inequality hampers growth, or that only so much disparity is ethically acceptable.



F&D Spotlights Widening Gap Between Rich and Poor

By Marina Primorac
Managing Editor, Finance & Development

September 12, 2011

  • Income inequality within countries is rising, research shows
  • Global financial crisis probably narrowed inequality across countries
  • Equality is important ingredient in sustainable economic growth

The disparity between the haves and the have nots is increasing, according to an article in Finance & Development (F&D) magazine by inequality expert Branko Milanovic.



Mon, 09/12/2011 - 22:36 | 1662314 msmith
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TNX - 10yr treasury yields continue to drop.  Lower yields ahead.  Forecast here http://bit.ly/nEZHgF

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 22:54 | 1662378 prophet
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refi risk ?

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 22:58 | 1662393 Richard Whitney
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Bill Gross is LONG? The bell has rung.

TBT at 22.25!!!!!

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 23:38 | 1662487 theotheri
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The 10 yr is toast but not for 2+ yrs.....

Gold is gonna get slaughtered....
Silver back below $30 real soon...

Tue, 09/13/2011 - 07:19 | 1662907 Mrs Kensington
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I'm with SheepDog! No way the Bernank can do QE now - the window of time has passed for those little un-checked, un-bridled games.  They are just using the talk to keep things up - and the power of empty talk will run out soon.  There are too many new checks in place, including the inflationary threat of social unrest, in a country where guns are in most homes.

1. The Republicans agreed vehemently that the Fed needed full scale reform ystdy and that the dollar must be its number one priority.  The Reps will win in 2012 and the Banks know it......  Reps and Banks need 2008 reprise to finish Obama off.

2. The Debt Ceiling detail has yet to be agreed - deadline 30 September.  No way can a Keynesian geyser rush of printing occur during this time.

3. Gold is going down.  Insiders know that the last 2-300 dollars in the price are QE3, 4 and 5 based

Most we will get is Twist - but with less dollars than people think - and not till SPX below 1000


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