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ECBCTRL+P: The Next Steps In The European Implosion
Wondering what is next for Europe? Don't be. With Jurgen Stark, aka the last real hawk at the ECB, gone, here comes "the printing." SocGen's Dylan Grice explains.
From SocGen:
Suppose that Italy or Spain get caught up in the whirlwind like Greece, Ireland and Portugal, as threatened to happen last month. Maybe the Italian political situation deteriorates, maybe Ireland defaults, maybe Greece will go revolutionary, or maybe an ill-advised wayward comment from an influential European politician will spook markets and send them into renewed tailspin. We don't know which of these will happen, if any. All we know is that these are some of the many plausible triggers for a further deterioration in this fragile situation.
Let's say one of those triggers is activated, leading to an intensification in the runs on the securities of eurozone governments and banks, probably Italian and/or Spanish, but who knows? In all likelihood, every bank will get further pummelled regardless. And let's also say that the panic is fuelled further by concern that Italy and Spain's multi-trillion-euro balance sheet banks are simply too big for their already fiscally strained governments to save. Fear that they will try creates more panic in the market for those government bonds, the viability of the euro is perceived by the markets to be threatened and so all eyes switch to Germany and France to provide further bail-outs.
But then everyone realizes that France and Germany's own banks are being dragged down. And, in France and Germany at least these banks would take priority over those of other countries. So the trillion-euro bank balance sheets of many of the eurozone's financial institutions seem too big for even the core governments to save. Runs develop in the core government bond markets too as investors take fright that they might try. Meanwhile, the continued absence of any coherent pan-European political leadership ensures any opportunities to get ahead of the panic are missed, and so one/some European banks fail.
Thus the entire financial system fails. The 1931 Credit Anstalt crisis is rerun and the depression that follows is too much for austerity fatigued peripheral eurozone members, whose electorates succumb to the siren call of anti-euro populists promising deliverance from the economic misery imposed by Berlin. The euro ends not with a whimper, but a bang ....
Now, personally, I don't think this will happen. I think the ECB will get the printing presses rolling before we get to the stage where markets seriously panic over the solvency of the eurozone's core, or of its banks. And when I say I expect the ECB to get the printing presses rolling, I mean QE of the unbridled unsterilizable sort, and of which The Ben Bernak is so fond.
This action won't be taken lightly. In fact, I doubt it will be taken at all until the market puts a gun firmly to the ECB's head and forces it to choose between its two great loves: the euro or its Germanic belief in hard money. "You can't have both" the market will say, as it cocks its gun and slowly squeezes the trigger. And my guess is that the ECB will let its principles go and sell the strategy to Germans as a hard-money sabbatical. After all, if the hard-money Swiss National Bank can commit to unlimited money printing, so too can the ECB.
I also suspect such an action would be the final kick of the can. Money printing buys time and nothing else. But I think it could buy the eurozone quite a lot of time, certainly enough to be open-minded towards owning the cheap assets the episode might throw up. Let's face it, equities would likely become very cheap in the sort of panic that would force the ideologically Germanic ECB to print with the abandon of a Ben Bernanke.
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Baltic Dry! So Laxidasical?
Look at the Dow Jones Transportation Average
see http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/DJT/charts
The solutiom will be the same for the big banks as was applied in the US and earlier in Sweden. Insolvent banks with be nationalized, broken up and set free after their bad bedt has been detached. Taxpayers in Europe as happened in the US will gradually absorb the bad debt over a decade or two which implies slower growth and lower interest rates along with gradually increasing inflation. "Just as it ever was"
Hey I got an even better idea, it's called capitalism. You know 'let them go fucking broke'. What do you think? We don't deal with Lehman brothers anymore do we? That is how capitalism should work.
But then it's not capitalism - it's a free market. Two *very* different beasties... http://www.mutualist.org/id4.html
The Commerzbank clients who got ripped off by "absolutely safe" Lehman "certificates" have to deal with this financial disaster for the rest of their lifes. Banks were bailed out, small investors got nothing.
That is how capitalism should work?
On the news Unicredit, -6%.... suspended as usual....
Hey Moose, my show this week was on the Italian protest and the European debt crisis. Made me think of you, and maybe someone similiar rising up soon if the politicians cant blow the people while giving a reach around to the banks. Here's the broadcast.
http://www.youtube.com/user/zedgehero
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Eurozone can't shake itself free from the yoke of Ancient Rome. Devalue or bring in price controls your playbook is... um... well not really a book at all.
Whats that quote about history again?
I think the right crooks need to start being assassinated. We the people need to end this.
I am surprised it has not happened , probably still a lingering belief you can change things the right way. The 2012 election may be the last chance
Maybe we should be worrying about the folks who have no PMs?
Can you set-up some kind of donation service so we can distribute some of our PMs to the "have-nots" please Tyler.
Please give generously fellas.
It's easier for a German to tell a succesfull joke,than it is to print.
Vy does Paris haf tree-lined boulevards? Zo ve can march in ze shade!
Danke! Danke! Try ze schnitzel!
SocGen wants the ECB to print money? Shocking :D
Article 21. 1 of „THE STATUTE OF THE EUROPEAN SYSTEM OF CENTRAL BANKS AND OF THE EUROPEAN CENTRAL BANK“ prohibits the ECB from printing money and giving it to central governments
Has this been changed?
Buying time...With the internet all labor (except for the brilliant and unions)are competing at about $5/day w/o benefits. Those w Govt/teaching/union jobs want to extend and pretend so they can continue with making 100 times the going labor rate. Its in their best interest to wait as long as possible to adjust to the facts. With the US$ as the world currency, the US can run trillion $ deficits for a few more years. EURO land can't extend and pretend as long. Millions are working for near slave wages to support a few who own the plantation (the world reserve currency). Wages and life styles will equalize over time between the millions workers who produce and reserve currency owners. Its all a matter of time.
We are all mTurkers now...
Gold and Silver Bitchez!
got liquidity? bitchez
I love GBP! That government has " Austerity Balls!!! Good on ya!
austerity at this stage wont get you anything..the uk is bankrupt..
I feeel your pain. Thanks for responding. I promise you I'm long the cable trade off of the {8} handle .
Yeah, but we're a bit less bankrupt than the rest of Europe!
For today, anyway. Tomorrow, maybe not so much.
+1
You my friend are ( CORRECT) ! Good work....>
Implosion bitchez!
I'm pretty sure I heard Bernanke call Trichet a cocksucker....
or maybe it was Stark,,,dunno all CB guys look the same to me....asshats
ECB confirms, that Stark steps down, personal reasons
Gold now going totally parabolic in foreign currencies.
When this "Fear Trade" reverses, the unwinding is going to be ferocious.
Fear trade will accelerate into the Implosion trade.
Fear trade will accelerate into the Implosion trade.
What unwinding?
Is Ben going to stop printng?
Are Govts stopping spending?
Will Banks become solvent?
Of course you will have corrections on the way up. But till such time as you get a new financial system, Gold will continue to move upwards.
Gold is the punisher finally going to administer reality to the delusional policy makers and investors
What evidence do you have that says the "fear Trade" has even begun?
New York is a :Haberdashery
Bespake?
The Germans already were handed a juicy opportunuty when the Euro was conceived back in 1992. The Italian lira lost half it's value overnight and Germans were storming the Chianti region and all the best real estate locations in Italy with a big 50% off discount planted on all what was to be bought. Needless to say, you can't compare the beauty of Italy's country side and seaside to the grimy and cold German land. This time I think it's only fair for the Germans to pay back some. Especially since they are the only ones who have kept their currency (the Marc).
EU implosion and Eurogeddon is now allowed to be mainstreamed. Disaster sure to follow, soon enough.
From French web page Boursorama Forums top comments
http://www.boursorama.com/cours.phtml?symbole=1rPCAC
"You have paid 250 euros per person for Greece"
Vous venez de payer 250€/p pour laGrèceAuj. à 09:54
15 milliards, (je ne pose pas la question qui croit au remboursement...)
Pour un couple + 2 enfants, cela fait 1.000 €
Vous venez donc de payer 250€/personne pour la Grèce.
Pour rappel, les impôts ne sont pas plus levés qu'avant, la part non "officielle" de l'économie s'accroit avec la crise,
Alors merci pour votre générosité (nota, je contribue moi aussi)
On reviendra vers vous car d'autres occasions de solliciter votre bienveillance sont présentront
translation:
15 billions, (I do not ask the question which believes in refund...)
For a couple 2 children, it makes 1.000 €
You have therefore just paid 250€ / person for Greece.
For recall, levies are not more levied than before, the not "official " part of economy accroit with crisis,
Then thank you for your generosity (note, I also contribute)
They will come back towards you because other opportunities to solicit your benevolence are présentront
lucky French, we in Luxembourg are supposed to contribute for Greece 6500 euros per taxpayer that works out 2 billion euros divided by approx 300.000 taxpayers (including foreign residents working in the country and excluding civil servants).
The rescues of BNP and Dexia cost us already another 10.000 per taxpayer (assuming we will get nothing from the "investment").
Granted, the country benefitted from the global Ponzi like no other, however, not everybody here works in finance...end of rant
What just happened to my EUR/USD play??
Fade the trade. Look @ the July trend line. Sell rallies!
just kidding. i never leave the "safety" of the us dollar. ;)
sorry to say .. this is exactly what I have been theorizing the last 2 weeks ... this is Summer of 1931 methinks ala comparisons ...
from Grice:
Thus the entire financial system fails. The 1931 Credit Anstalt crisis is rerun and the depression that follows is too much for austerity fatigued peripheral eurozone members, whose electorates succumb to the siren call of anti-euro populists promising deliverance from the economic misery imposed by Berlin. The euro ends not with a whimper, but a bang ..
Am reading the biography of Andrew Mellon ....(good) ...... reading this gave me a timeline feel I never got from all the recent economic/historical research have been reading ... especially the Depression.
And not to lecture ... but a lot of people seem to almost want this to happen ............ if Summer 2011 is comparable to Summer 1931 ... then the future is very bleak and there will be incredibly human idiocy to follow ...even among the very smart & educated (maybe the most idiotic by this segment of humanity as they are deluded by their seeming 'rationalism' and sense of 'control' over events/circumstances).
And gold will protect you for a while ... as will guns/ammo/supplies .. but eventually there will be no place to hide.
better boot up the backup HFT's for Monday....
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Not only did the Germans buy Italian property in 1992 fo 50% discount...also when the Euro was introduced in 2001 the value of scriptural Lira was halved in purchasing power while that of real estate doubled. Practically German real estate investors haven't paid a dime for their Italian possessions
SocGen, Dexia, Unicredit....and tanking yet again today. If it's not time to panic yet, then when?
so they pump the monkey for another couple of weeks. i sold my short from 1198 /es position at 1158 now i'll let them pump,pump,pump and look for another entry.
think it will drift up the rest of the day, and do the up 10 from sunday night to mondays open. i'll look to short it again when it hits 1180 or thereabouts.
i don't care much about their kabuki theatre, i just want to make money
You know, the Bernank gets all the press; but he's never done anything that he didn't learn from Gideon Gono's playbook.
kill the people...long live hedge funds and banker bonuses!