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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 04:26 | 1886024 GerritB
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@ what time are the bond sales?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 04:43 | 1886038 NewThor
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Is part of the yields rising due to the death of credit default swaps?

If 50% isn't a default then nothing is really, right?

The unicorn dust game of financial insurance is dead.


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 04:49 | 1886044 pauhana
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According to the chart Tyler put out a few days ago, the Spanish 10 yr. auction goes off at 9:30 a.m. local time and the shorter French auctions go off at 9:50 local.  Don't know if this is right as the talking head on CNBS just said we have an hour more to learn results.  Also, there is another French 10 yr. going off an hour later.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:58 | 1886091 Michael
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If you ever wanted to see a country trying to maintain the status-quo using its monetary system to suck the life right out of the indigenous people over a twenty year period, just look at Japan. Japan was like a great monetary laboratory experiment. You can physically see what it has done to the population. They're such great fucking people the Japanese. It's a shame they allowed this to happen to themselves. The final phase of their bust is near.

The 35,000 Nikkei stock and real estate bubble was the first great bubble and bust I lived through.  It was the first great bubble bust I called too. It was epic. Tokyo land was going for 12 million dollars an acre at the time, that's like a billion dollars today or there abouts. Japan did everything wrong since then and you can see the results in their people today. It's so sad.


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:34 | 1886651 common_sense
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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:09 | 1886104 Socrate
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Credit market bloodbath day today. Today's bond auction is an epic fail for both Spain and France. Not to tell about the FRAGER spread atm :)

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 04:34 | 1886030 Dr. Gonzo
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Just got the coffe going. Preparing for pre-market shenanigans.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:15 | 1886150 youngman
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Do we need popcorn too......I am ready

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 04:39 | 1886033 Karl Tashjian
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Only question now is, when do equity markets wake up?



Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:36 | 1886672 common_sense
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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 04:41 | 1886034 reload
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Wow thanks for the early update.

Oil is the confuser, I am just going to put it down to worries (hopes?) of more ME conflict & suply disruptions. 

FTSE has broken some trend line support on the 30 min charts, but like you say - a big follow through is likely to be on hold until we see what tricks the ECB pulls this european morning.

Still no love for the BTP though!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 04:45 | 1886039 NewThor
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I predicted a $10 dollar rise in WTI on Sunday.

I think it's being front run by those who know that

big trouble in little Iran is on the schedule for the 

VERY near future.

How do I know this crap? I'm just a fucking screenwriter.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 04:59 | 1886054 you enjoy myself
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that's really the only thing that can explain it.  Au & Ag have been down/flat, eur/usd is down, eurozone is about to embark on a deflationary collapse - but the one commodity that destroys GDP with a rise is in fact rising.  

i find it hard to believe that last week's "unintentional" microphone pick-up of Sarkozy and the Messiah's junior high complaint of "dude, i can't stand that dorky Netanyahu either!" wasn't some grossly incompetent stagecraft.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 08:51 | 1886248 ViewfromUnderth...
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The flow of two big pipelines to Cushing from the Gulf is being reversed...reduce the glut at Cushing hence the WTI Brent spread reduction...that, and nuclear war in MENA...but seriously, would Brent be dropping if people believed Debka.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:01 | 1886056 Dick Darlington
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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:51 | 1886088 lolmao500
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If the french bond auction fails, what about S&P giving a negative outlook on France by the end of the week? Me thinks odds are good.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:15 | 1886109 Gief Gold Plox
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Even-though I am not familiar with the inner-workings of bond auctions, I can pretty much guaranty that (tomorrow's) today's bond auction will not be allowed to fail. Under no circumstances. There are too many people watching the show right now. Soon maybe, and definitely not as publicly [sic].

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:04 | 1886057 Zodiac
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The 21st Century Bundesbanic Plague

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:06 | 1886058 caerus
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grab your lnkd pennies folks imho (short of course)

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:20 | 1886069 Manipulism
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The Banks are looting the EFSF as you can see here:


By Agence France-Presse, Updated: 11/9/2011
Assets frozen in Greek bank embezzlement probe
The assets of more than 30 executives of small Greek Proton Bank, rescued from bankruptcy last month, will be frozen under an embezzlement probe, a justice source said on Wednesday.

The block on bank accounts, safe-deposit boxes and shares has been imposed on seven board members including 39-year-old businessman Lavrentis Lavrentiadis, one of the bank's main shareholders, and another 24 suspects who have not been identified by prosecutors.
The investigation concerns bad loans worth 700 million euros ($964 million) that were authorised in 2010 at a time when Lavrentiadis headed Proton's board of directors, the source told AFP.
Lavrentiadis, who denies wrongdoing, and the other board members will be summoned to testify on November 22. If convicted, they face at least 15 years in prison.
The probe has determined that the money was loaned "to companies where Lavrentiadis had indirect or direct influence," the semi-state Athens News Agency agency said, citing the prosecutor's report.
Other reports have said Proton funds were lent to Greek-based pharmaceutical group Alapis -- where Lavrentiadis, Alapis' founder, was until recently a main shareholder.
In October, Greece's central bank used a rescue fund to bail out Proton Bank three months after the small lender had also received emergency state backing.
The Bank of Greece said a "new Proton bank" had been established with the central lender's financial stability fund as its sole shareholder.
"A "good bank" was established, to which all deposits (by the private sector, other banks and the government), as well as the sound assets (securities and loans portfolios) of the former bank were transferred," the Bank of Greece said.
It added that the new bank was well-capitalised while the licence of the old Proton bank was put into liquidation. The authorities did not disclose the cost of Proton's rescue, but the small leftist Syriza party claimed it was over 860 million euros.
Proton Bank had also received state support in July -- one day ahead of EU-wide bank stress tests -- with the finance ministry saying the move was dictated by "state interests" owing to fears of "negative effects" on the Greek banking system.
At the time, Greek media reported that a special prosecutor was investigating a 51-million-euro withdrawal at Proton Bank which Bank of Greece sources had described as "unusual."
Proton Bank, where the 2007-10 US ambassador to Greece Daniel Speckhard was a non-executive chairman, has pledged to cooperate with the authorities. Proton Bank has a network of 30 branches in Greece and 3.8 billion euros in assets in March. Proton Bank has received over 300 million euros in state capital injections and guarantees since 2008, the finance minister said in August.


and here:



Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:22 | 1886074 jomama
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i don't see why these assholes don't just break up the euro or default already.

there is no way in hell of growing out of this mess, let alone fixing it within the current paradigm.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:00 | 1886096 lolmao500
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The reason is they want a big crisis so then they can centralize power even more.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:28 | 1886075 phungus_mungus
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As long as they continue to pretend its all OK, it'll be OK... right? 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:38 | 1886083 Ben Bermonkey
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Spain also in some Pain, ladies



Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:38 | 1886127 Temporalist
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Thuuuuuuuhhh Pain in Spain is Mainly from Bernanke!

Bernanke mainly causes pain to Spain!



Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:43 | 1886085 terryfuckwit
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apparently Merkel has asked Celente to come and explain the pitfalls of this "if you don't hold it you don't own it " theory...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:46 | 1886086 Irish66
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spain 6.97% highest ever

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 05:58 | 1886093 Irish66
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Yields in a Spanish auction of 10-year bonds rose to an euro lifetime high of 6.975 percent and the country sold 3.56 billion euros ($4.8 billion).

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:01 | 1886097 phungus_mungus
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Spains auction just hit a record high and didn't make their mark, sold less debt than they wanted to..





Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:08 | 1886102 Irish66
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France 5 year bond 2.82%

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:15 | 1886108 Dick Darlington
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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:19 | 1886110 Irish66
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and they just stepped in

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:23 | 1886113 lolmao500
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She says that but she's pushing for join euro bonds and ECB intervention. Basically, she's full of it.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:23 | 1886114 Ronaldo
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Very interesting day.  I wonder how this will be spun? 

Maybe, "It is fantastic news that the Spanish yields held under 7%.  It shows the strength of the reforms and austerity measures, as well as the ardent efforts of the ECB to put a fence around the EU problems, thus preventing contagion.  We finally have a political and financial will to prevent further EU problems"

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:26 | 1886117 Irish66
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Oats 10 year about to break out over 3.8

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:31 | 1886119 Irish66
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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:35 | 1886120 lolmao500
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WTI is going up because of that :


Report: U.S. Air Force receives new 15-ton bunker buster bombs
U.S. Air Force started receiving the massive bombs in September, Bloomberg news agency reports; the bombs are capable of destroying underground targets, such as Iran's nuclear sites.

The U.S. Air Force reportedly started receiving the bombs in September. The bombs are six times bigger than the U.S. Air Force's current bunker-busters.

Also interesting :


Moody's downgrades 10 German public banks

Moody's downgraded on Wednesday its ratings of 10 German public-sector banks including BayernLB and Deutsche Hypo saying they were now less likely to receive state support if needed.

"The rating actions reflect Moody's assumption that there is now a lower likelihood that these banks would receive external support, if required," it said.


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:36 | 1886125 Irish66
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Gold Demand Up 6% in Third Quarter as Central Banks Buy

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 06:40 | 1886128 Temporalist
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And the news that will be spun is how India retail gold sales dropped 20%...but not mention how much they had risen.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:04 | 1886141 Tense INDIAN
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tell me one good reason why OIL is flying away

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:09 | 1886145 lolmao500
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Got 2.

- Expectations of QE3.

- Iran-Israel-US war expectations.

Nothing else. Normally, it should be going down since the world economy is cratering.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:40 | 1886166 Tense INDIAN
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cant e EXPECTATION of QE ...the dollar is very bullish now

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 09:01 | 1886267 ViewfromUnderth...
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Changes to the Gulf to Cushing oil flow (2 major pipelines being reversed)...think about it, if nuclear war is going to break out in ME Brent goes down but WTI goes up? What, no one but Merkans gives a fuck any more about nuclear war? I know things are bad in Euroland, but not so bad that nuclear war gets just a meh! 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:08 | 1886144 lolmao500
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Anyone knows what was the result of French bond auctions?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:51 | 1886172 Irish66
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The BTAN maturing Sept. 2013 had an average yield of 1.85 percent -- compared to 1.31 percent at the last auction a month ago. The note maturing July 2015 had an average yield of 2.44 percent versus 1.96 percent.


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:23 | 1886154 chaartist
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I will be scared only, if I m unable to ping ZH servers for more than one day. Europe is laughable, many think that it could be so easy to create smaller stronger and fiscaly unified EU...we could not agree on much much simpler things. Forget about it, they will print, or if they stop you ve got full breakdown to national currencies, revolutions and trade wars like hell in a matter of days.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:30 | 1886160 sabra1
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i'm sure more printing would have inflation decrease, less debt, less revolutions! what we have now, is what the end of a ponzi scheme looks like when all control is lost! now is the time for vigilante justice by the 99%!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:23 | 1886155 youngman
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The Frenchies are paying more too....oh oh....Bankers begging for a bailout by the ECB...how is the derivitive markets doing...no one knows...exposure.....no one knows...this is where it all gets exciting....got gold...everyone is buying it they say...but the price just keeps dropping....HMMMMMM...wonder how that can be....buy all you can...now..and yesterday

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 07:46 | 1886167 BetTheHouse
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And of course, US futures all green. What a fucking joke. It's opposite day again.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 08:02 | 1886183 Tense INDIAN
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