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Egan Jones Downgrades The UK From AA To AA-

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When one is expected to go down for missing a comma in their NRSRO application, one at least should go down swinging. Sure enough, Egan-Jones, the only rating agency with any credibility left, is at it again, this time cutting the big momma itself - the UK - from AA to AA-.

6/4/2012: United Kingdom: EJR lowered AA to AA- (Neg.) Projected A+ (S&P: AAA) (6152Z LN)


Synopsis: On the balance of payment side, imports have exceeded exports by an average of approximately 500B pounds annually over the past several years. The major problems for the UK is that Europe's banking crisis does not appear to be abating as evidenced by the miserable results of most EU banks. On the fiscal side, the deficit to GDP has declined over the past three years from 11.5% to 8.3%, which is a respectable decline, but the bulk of the reduction was the result of increased taxes since GDP growth was weak. The over-riding concern is whether the country will be able to continue to cut its deficit in the face of weaker economic conditions and a possible deterioration in the country's financial sector. Unfortunately, we expect that the UK's debt/GDP will continue to rise and the country will remain pressed.

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Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:06 | 2493220 Ahmeexnal
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Diamond Jubileum!

Cromwell lives!!

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:07 | 2493246 TeMpTeK
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Eff the Queen.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:09 | 2493262 wee-weed up
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Her Mah-jesty doughs NOUGHT approoove!

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:10 | 2493269 Agent P
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Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:12 | 2493282 SilverTree
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"No risk of that"


Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:19 | 2493319 SHEEPFUKKER

Epic timing during the Queen's Diamond Jubilee.  Much respect E. Jones. 

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:45 | 2493466 Apeman
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They should've downgraded the UK during the previous Jubilee. But oh well... better late than never I guess.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 17:05 | 2493527 Marginal Call
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Who's figured out the Egan Jones indicator?  Seems they go public and then a week or two later everybody else admits it and goes along with them.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 19:23 | 2493979 chiswickcat
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Down grade can't be true. It's not on the BBC tv news, not on the BBC web site's front page nor even the business page. All is well here in the land of pomp and pageantry.


Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:10 | 2493267 Hippocratic Oaf
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That must have been one motherfucking expensive celebration

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:15 | 2493291 SilverTree
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God downgrade the Queen!

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:31 | 2493382 macholatte
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It was cold, wet and windy, but the typically damp British summer weather was not enough to deter more than a million people from lining the River Thames to catch a glimpse of Queen Elizabeth float past on a gilded royal barge.

Drenched crowds laugh off deluge for jubilee party




£32.1 million -- Amount the British government provides Elizabeth and Prince Philip annually (about $50 million U.S.)

$500 million -- The queen's approximate net worth.

Decades, diamonds and dollars: The reign of Elizabeth II by the numbers



The Crown Estate posted rental income of 235 million pounds ($361 million) for the year through March, compared with revenue of 2.5 million pounds in 1952, the newspaper reported.

Queen Elizabeth’s Property Income Rises 9,400%, FT Reports


Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:48 | 2493474 falak pema
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the queen is already indexed on QE-3!! Imagine going from 2 million to 235 ...

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:54 | 2493501 Mitzibitzi
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You ain't even close! The UK civil service reckon the Queen's worth, if you liquidated ALL the Royal family's assets to cash, at 1.7 TRILLION pounds. That's WELL over 2 trillion dollars.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 17:42 | 2493658 Shock and Aweful
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I think  you may be overstating a bit....(not that I think she deserves any of it)..... 

I was reading something about the so-called "Royal" Family's wealth....and I guess that all of the "royal property"...such as Buckingham Palace,  the crown jewels, and any other properies that belong to the "commons" are not calculated or added into her net worth....because she does not have the ability or right to sell them.  (the swans on the Thames are also supposedly property of the commons...haha - not shitting you) 

This make the Queen ONLY the 267th wealthiest person in the UK  -  She's basically a high-class pauper living on the DOLE.



Tue, 06/05/2012 - 07:26 | 2495171 Sandmann
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How much are the Federal Assets in the USA worth ? Quick, the Chinese are asking !

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:11 | 2493265 Ghordius
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now this is not sporting at all. The City closed in celebration and this, this.... knife in the back


Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:31 | 2493337 macholatte
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Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:05 | 2493231 Conman
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Quick fire up the paper shredders at EJ London office the bobbies are coming.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:06 | 2493233 junkyardjack
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I was wondering why the market rallied a half an hour before the close, this must have been leaked. Bullish!....

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:06 | 2493237 IMA5U
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the EU will say all the right things

DOW 100,000

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:07 | 2493240 Poetic injustice
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I think they have not downgraded only Antarctica, the only safe place to hide for all Egan Jones workers.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:10 | 2493270 LongSoupLine
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Neah...hide them all at the SEC.  The SEC would never find them there.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:14 | 2493288 Nothing To See Here
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Antartica is already full of government-funded "climate scientists" checking the differences between penguin excrements from today and from the last century in order to prove global warming.

There is no place to hide. None. And mainstream-presidential-candidate-turned-Mitt-Romney-supporter Newt Gingrich already has plans for a moon base.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:45 | 2493454 falak pema
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don't need to examine penguin excrement, just look at their glaciers...There will be a recrudescence of icebergs as a consequence. Hundreds of them. Watch out for QE-3 running into an iceberg.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:07 | 2493245 Comay Mierda
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FSA will prob sue them like the SEC

maybe Egan Jones should send all the regulators midget porn tapes to keep them busy

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:08 | 2493253 Jason T
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put this world through bankruptcy already. 

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:09 | 2493257 LongSoupLine
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I've got a man-crush on Egan Jones and Nigel Farage

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:14 | 2493281 Ghordius
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the second is a comic actor and the first one I have never heard about?


Farage's comic commentary in the correct perspective

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:09 | 2493260 JackT
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21 Minutes left!

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:10 | 2493266 It is a bargin ...
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Bastards...could have waited till the concert finsihed 

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:44 | 2493459 NotApplicable
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God Save the Queen?

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:47 | 2493470 It is a bargin ...
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 17:28 | 2493603 It is a bargin ...
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Acutally after posting that and watching this weekend in the uK, I need to vent, as a 50 year old and living the pistols years at 16 and it blowing me away to fuck , and 2 wifes and 2 kids later, I'm real really fucked that we have gone backwards from those halcyon dasy of UK hope when we out did the fucking world in sceptisicim and said fuck you to the govt and the fucking police and schools and led the way and that cunting bitch Maggie came along nand said that we where diseased and had to change it....and here we are, with Ronnie they changed it and im as sad as a Brit could be this weekend...fucking lost hope in my life time led to this shit...cunts all of them

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:11 | 2493279 Nothing To See Here
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Even Egan-Jones knows that the UK is junk. EJ is only pretending less than the other agencies that it is not.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:12 | 2493283 theTribster
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What is the effect on borrowing? Is it an automatic additional 100 basis points? Anybody know? Tyler?

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:18 | 2493290 Bubble
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Zero, the BoE will be buying all of this year's remaining issuance.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:14 | 2493284 Bubble
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The UK is covered in little plastic flags. The jubilee has been a godsend...for Chinese manufacturing.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 07:23 | 2495165 Sandmann
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The British get a Diamond Jubilee and the Americans get an Election that wil cost $2 billion

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:16 | 2493295 scatterbrains
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That's it!  Fuk the SEC!  It's time to step it up and put Eric place Holder on these guys!

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:16 | 2493297 squib
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Eduard Khil has passed today. RIP. There is no video I have watched more in the past year.

If you guys give me the go ahead, I will change my name to 'Ghost of Khil' to honor the legend.

Resurrection this Sunday.


Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:16 | 2493301 WiretapWilly
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Why do I see a bonus styrofoam medal presentation at the closing ceremonies?

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:17 | 2493309 WoodMizer
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"Egan-Jones, the only rating agency with any credibility left"

That phrase contains more truth, than an entire 24hr period on CNBC and BloombergTV.

If the sheeple had a memory longer than 3 months Egan would be the only ratings agency to survive the 2007/08 debacle.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:19 | 2493326 JackInTheBox
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Great. After this downgrade, the SEC will probably accuse Egan Jones of distributing porn to children.  Or fraud.  Or treason.  Meanwhile, the MF Global trail has "gone cold" even despite all the public disclosures of obvious fraud.  But then again, I guess any trail would go cold when other people's money just "vaporized."  Gotta love the SEC's apparent motto:  "Preserve, protect, and defend the banksters and politicians at all costs."  Meanwhile, if you tell the truth, the SEC will drop the hammer on you.  Good luck, Egan Jones.  You are going to need it now.  I see another SEC investigation in 3...2...1...

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:21 | 2493336 superbroker1
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God save the Queen
She ain't no human being
There is no future
In England's dreaming
-Sex Pistols

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:23 | 2493344 BankruptBanker
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Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:36 | 2493411 Satan
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Nobody invited Egan Jones to this party. Who the fuck let them through the door? I want heads to roll god dammit.Get me the SEC. Crush these mother fuckers!

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:37 | 2493414 Bolweevil
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Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:52 | 2493415 falak pema
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Egan Jones... with a name like that it must be a stool pigeon for the russian oligarchs, like CHelsea FC. If Chelsea is ruski, there is no hope for Egan...of the Joneses.

After the Olympics the banks of Uk will start to run like Usain Bolt.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:44 | 2493457 Snakeeyes
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Not surprising with all their debt and vurtually no GDP growth. Prediction: like France, UK will elect a Socialist and go further down the drain.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:56 | 2493914 reload
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Elect a socialist......?

What do you think we have now?

All politicians are socialists in the UK. It works like this, corporate buddies have their losses socialised among the masses. After government the enabling politicians recieve ridiculously over generous pay from said corporations for virtualy no work.

Matters not if you are Tory, Lib dem, Labour. Its socialism under different banners. Big government doing the bidding of its corporate masters at te expense of a largely sleeping and dumbed down electorate.

Mr "we`r all in this togerther`, call me Dave" Cammeron is a socialist through and through, erm until it comes to his own trust fund, that is HIS!

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:45 | 2493461 jmcadg
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Really not worried about what The Queen gets.
Far more deserved than any of these scum banker bailouts.
Let's get our aim correct.
EJ hits the mark again.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:50 | 2493482 Roland99
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 16:52 | 2493490 monopoly
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They are all gaga over their lovely Queen, who is quite the lady. I cannot even imagine the amount of British pounds being spent on this jubilee gala, but when their stock market opens on Wednesday, we could get a glimpse at how the people really feel.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:17 | 2493797 newengland
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The 4-day shindig was more a chance for the serfs to enjoy some relief, rather than any comment on HRH who betrayed Britain's sovereignty by signing the Lisbon Treaty. 

She's a good dutiful woman who has been misled by money masters, eg after the 2008 bank bust, she asked the fancy pants economists at the LSE: 'Who knew? Why didn't anyone know?'

Remember: the world's biggest bank bust ever was the so-called Royal Bank of Scotland, the viper's nest of the Rothschilds who retain their minority holding whilst the taxpayer and unemployed bail out that thing, and the Rothschild retain their anonymity, along with the useless Coutts Bank.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 23:19 | 2493534 fuu
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Mon, 06/04/2012 - 17:18 | 2493570 stocktivity
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Prince Charles is 64 years old...spent his whole adult life waiting to be king and that old lady still won't give up her crown. Ha ha....douchbags all of them!

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 17:22 | 2493584 tony wilson
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5 billion on the queen thing and the olympics..

stadiums going up for 2 weeks then coming down

but it will bring in lots of tourists they say.

tell that to spain and greece who had the games.

today is the  flag waving quite before the late summer storm.

the day of reckoning approacheth.

triple doses of chem spraying or the natives will get restless

when the cattle realise that they are hog tied and heading towards  slaughter house only then will they awaken.


Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:03 | 2493740 newengland
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It is my unhappy task to relay the the following communication, overheard by the handlers of the Queen's most loyal confidantes, the Corgis.

HRH, Queen Elizabeth II, upon hearing the news of the downgrade was somewhat perplexed: 'Instruct Egon Ronay that he is to confine his ratings to restaurants. He is quite good at that.'

Courtier: 'Ma'am, there is another person named Egon.'

'Really? Why? It's an exotic name. That's enough tolerance,' said HRH, somewhat miffed.

'Ma'am, on this occasion of your Diamond Jubilee, and most gracious presence among the people and the media folk who do so desperately need a diversion from their serfdom ....I am sorry, Ma'am...but I must inform you that this person Egon is not a subject of the Crown.'

'Not a subject of the Crown?' Her Maj is not pleased. 'Rothschild.  What's he doing about this? He's been dispatched to deal with the colonies, again. With that chap Rockabilly.'

'Rockefeller, Ma'am. Yes...well...This may take longer. It's the Republic, you see. 1776, and all that. They...'.

'Yes. That's enough now,' as HRH ends this tiresome audience with a courtier, and gazes upon the happy crowds, so very relieved that they love their Monarchy, and Big Brother.

'Inform Egon that he is to review restaurants in future.'

'Yes, Ma'am,' as the courtier backs out of the room, and informs the Rothschild/Rockefellers of Her Majesty's displeasure at this somewhat unpleasant turn of events.


Mon, 06/04/2012 - 19:52 | 2494048 tom a taxpayer
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Have these commoners Egan Jones no respect for the Queen? Why are they soiling her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee, pooping on her parade?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 07:22 | 2495160 Sandmann
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HRH, Queen Elizabeth II,


Dippy aren't you. The Queen is not a Royal Highness.   A Royal Highness is a PRINCESS not a QUEEN

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 20:09 | 2494102 mademesmile
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I'm of a younger generation, and just realised today the Queen was married! It's funny, I've never seen a picture of her and her husband together, the news just reports on her, her son and grandsons. I feel like an idiot for assuming she was a widow.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 07:20 | 2495157 Sandmann
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You're not an idiot just Rip Van Winkle. It was the last queen that was a Widow at her Diamond Jubilee and Victoria died in must be quite shocked at how things have changed now you have woken up !

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 20:20 | 2494144 chump666
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Sex Pistols

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 21:10 | 2494288 duckarooni
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Germany/UK AA-

France A

About right.

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Tue, 06/05/2012 - 02:37 | 2494976 Davalicious
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"The over-riding concern is whether the country will be able to continue to cut its deficit in the face of weaker economic conditions and a possible deterioration in the country's financial sector."

I didn't think they had actually managed to cut the deficit. I thought they had only slowewd the rate of increase of the deficit.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 07:03 | 2495138 Alien Harvest
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Porbably a good time for the Queen to spawn more overlords.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 07:24 | 2495167 Sandmann
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Is the US really going to spend $6,000,000,000 on this Election in November ?

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