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Egan Jones On Europe's EUR2.5 Trillion Hole

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Sean Egan, of Egan Jones, appeared on CNBC's Squawk Box this morning to pay penance for his truthiness and daring to open investor's eyes to the reality we are facing. The two main topics of discussion were the European crisis and of course Jefferies. Egan hushes the CNBCers when he describes the three solutions for Europe's problems - which really boils down to one of restructuring and/or printing when faced with reality - and points to a EUR2.5tn hole that needs to be filled at least. Of course, the discussion of Europe's sovereign shackles led to demands from the Kernan, Sorkin, and MCC for their pound of flesh over Egan's call on JEF but the rater defended his call with simple logic as another guest host questioned how Egan expects JEF's business model to be viable at lower than 13x leverage - great question.


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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:45 | 1856245 ZeroPower
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Sorkins almost as much of a joke as Liesman.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:07 | 1856300 bigdumbnugly
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thought this was going to be was another article on kim kardashian.


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:38 | 1856475 LuKOsro
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 14:41 | 1857394 smlbizman
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so were all the glitches in the video there this morn???

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:01 | 1856315 prodigious_idea
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Yep, Sorkin is a real Boy Scout that is way out of his depth in his new role as financial commentator.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:11 | 1856350 Ruffcut
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That hole is no joke. The best way to fill that hole is with the bodies of bankers, cover it lime, and plan for a new plan.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:09 | 1856651 chubbar
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They can finger fuck this problem into oblivion with all their complicated financing and bullshit but it always comes back to the same thing it has always come back to, PRINT or DEFAULT. That is it in a nutshell and everyone knows it. Printing still results in the demise of the current monetary system, just takes a bit longer. Why oh why can't these guys sit down and figure out the next system without totally fucking over everyone on the planet in the interim?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 13:29 | 1856956 knukles
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I watched that this a.m. when I saw Egan.  He's giving an absoltely beautiful well thought out answer to a question asked... what's the way out, and that littrle pissant Sorkin kept interrupting him.  And the rest of the panel wanted to redirect to inane who gives a fuck cocktail party chatter. 

Egan Rocks

Should Sorkin pass away, my guess is that the only one to miss him would be his dog, if it hasn't run off out of embarassment, yet.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:45 | 1856246 achmachat
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i was quite surprised to see this on cnbc... usually cnbc just runs in the background, pretty tickers and all.... but I actually listened to this.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:48 | 1856256 Fred C Dobbs
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Me too.  Why was it on?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:01 | 1856318 Leopold B. Scotch
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Also known as a shit tornado.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:07 | 1856339 Nothing To See Here
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I'll play the devil's advocate here and point out that CNBC also has Peter Schiff from time to time. Only by that, I'll rate them above CNN.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:03 | 1856323 Irish66
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Taylor, you need the clip of David Faber talking to Egan..."come on Shawn, Jeffries did everything right"

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:46 | 1856248 SheepDog-One
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Ah yes I see, Sean Egan was summoned to pay pennance for his insolence daring to go against the Cardinals of Wall St finance. 

Good he shoved it back in their faces.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:18 | 1856373 Leopold B. Scotch
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Vid cuts off the explanation for Jeffries...

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:41 | 1856487 CrazyCooter
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Try this one ....



Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:18 | 1856379 Nothing To See Here
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And still, he said that Italy isnt growing because of austerity measures... CNBC probably loved that segment.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:49 | 1856261 RobotTrader
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Markets are in "boom" mode.


Cyclicals like Rockwell up 9% today.

Consumer stocks like Macy's completely shucked off its warning last week, now at 52-week highs.

Where is the recession???

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:54 | 1856281 YesWeKahn
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Again, this has nothing to do with recession. Bernanke's mission has long changed from safe guarding inflation to pumping the market. The US$ is a trash. Then this idiot blames the treasury department for the US$ policy.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:56 | 1856293 Note to self
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I think RobotTrader is Joe Kiernan.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:03 | 1856322 prodigious_idea
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Kiernan should join Larry Kudlow's reality show "Cheer Leader".

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:55 | 1856839 Shirley Wilfahrt
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I think RT is JK's fluffer at best....


Joe Kiernan is going to be one of the first to FEEL THE PAIN....and it couldn't happen to a more deserving piece of shit.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:01 | 1856317 homersimpson
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Never take advice from someone who works for Wall Street..

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:08 | 1856341 Max Hunter
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Really Robo??   You could ask one of the 45 million people on food stamps.. Or, one of the 25+ million unemployed or underemployed.. Or, you could ask the 50+ million that fear for job security..

You're a fucking clown.. Do you realize there are humans on this earth that need to eat food and protection from the elements?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:15 | 1856358 SheepDog-One
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Robo is on food stamps and rides the bus, Zerohedge access thru the public library.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:22 | 1856395 fuu
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:57 | 1856849 Shirley Wilfahrt
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I like trains, cheap booze, and I tend to carry my belongings around in a bindle....


Does that make me a hobosexual?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:52 | 1856557 topcallingtroll
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Max doesnt understand that those people cant effect markets.
Those people for the most part didnt, and currently dont, and never will, have the earnings power and consumption to affect our investments.

It is the top half consumption and spending that affects market direction. The bottom 20 percent never mattered in terms of markets and the economy.

I can somewhat sympathise with poor people, but that does not change the fact that their spending patterns are largely irrelevant.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:27 | 1856414 El Viejo
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According to the expert on recessions (Lachsman Achuthan), the markets do not reflect a recession until about 6 months into it. That is because the markets are based in part to hype.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:47 | 1856531 quacker
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That’s what you get in pre-revolutionary societies – those who look to the ones benefiting from the ponzi and saying “So what’s the problem?” and those who look at the victims of the ponzi.


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:59 | 1856590 topcallingtroll
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Poor people are more seriously victimized by deflation rather than by unflation or increases in the money supply. Poor people tend to be in debt.

Their plight has nothing to do with the ponzi- like financial system.

They were hosed even worse in the past on a hard money standard. Read William Jennings Bryan and how the poor were sacrificed on a cross of gold.

Your views are grossly over simplified to the point they miss the real issue entirely.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:57 | 1856832 reggiehammond
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Alot of people were asking those questions in nazi germany.......if you lived in small town in Hesse the possibility of Auschwitz seemed remote. The recession in the US isn't reflected in a lot of the economic data because of the source from which it comes. Securities prices emanate from an even murkier outlet (anything involving an interaction between market makers and IB/HFs is real suspect). Same with corporate profits etc. For fuck sake ENron had a buy rating by half of the analysts covering the stock. Simply put, I find it really hard to trust the accounting, data, etc. What was MF Global's quarter like before they went belly up? Did it presage such an event? The DOW could go to 83,000 by noon and it wouldn't change that stark economic conditions that beset the entire fucking globe. I think dipshit investment bankers and corporate types (the ones at these public companies) are trying desperately to have a few more good quarters much in the same way people about to b executed are given a last supper. Hopefully martial law will expedite things. In this new society, survivalists will become the new elite and message boards will be dedicated to how certain people good hunting and eating bark are getting tons of pussy and abusing the system just as does Wall St now.  

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:51 | 1856265 qussl3
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No leverage, no business model.

The ponzi MUST grow or it all goes to hell.

Problem is productive uses for the slosh are running out and incentives are skewed to direct it into the inelastic bits of the economy - food and energy.

Yay fractional reserve.

Kinda appropriate that the Italians might be the ones to bring this particular edition to an end.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:52 | 1856276 vegas
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Thou shall print - fuck the Germans, they have no choice.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:53 | 1856278 Tense INDIAN
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forget everng the dollar.....whatI thought at first as a bull flag now morphing into a Symmetrical triangle...still this has more chance of being a continuos pattern ....and so expecting dollar to go higher after this consolidation .......right now just a as the stocks flew high , the dollar actually touched the lower trend line of this symmetrical pattern .......this coulds also be a iHnS....but the thing is I see a Wolfe wave on the 10 minute dollar charts ...and the dollar is SET for FAST RISE now...and stocks worldwide will go down ....

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:55 | 1856286 achmachat
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go ahead... bet on the ship that's sinking a wee bit slower than the other one.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:17 | 1856366 francis_sawyer
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Robo isn't faster than the bear... But at least he thinks he's faster than the other guy running from the bear...

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:23 | 1856398 SwingForce
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and ladle water INTO the boat.....

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:56 | 1856287 LawsofPhysics
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Saw that too, and as much as I would welcome a strong dollar and the chance to restock certain things my company needs from foreign suppliers, I don't think TPTB will let it happen.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:09 | 1856344 MsCreant
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:51 | 1856553 Dingleberry
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Good....let him buy them. No shortage based of them around.  Meanwhile, I'll be sticking to PMs.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:54 | 1856280 LawsofPhysics
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Facebook is going to save Italy,  yeah right.  Still pitching that infinite growth model in this finite world, good luck.  Personally, I like the Euro devaluation solution.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:55 | 1856283 NEOSERF
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Trillion smillion, I hear the Japanese have figured out how to do this in the the world of hole-diggers, they have no peers...

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:03 | 1856617 topcallingtroll
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We are gonna need a bigger calculator.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:56 | 1856289 Oswald Spengler
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CNBC is starting to air more truth speakers in a bid for relevance as the the banking system crumbles.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:28 | 1856421 Falcon15
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When the MSM starts airing truth, they are doing nothing more than preparing the sheep. Too little, too late, as usual.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:57 | 1856294 GeneMarchbanks
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Sorkin is a little bitch.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:09 | 1856345 fuu
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\E\ /J/

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:59 | 1856305 Nate H
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I like this Egan fellow...

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:59 | 1856307 RobotTrader
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Who would have figured?

In the midst of a European credit bust?

That Wal-Mart would turn into a "momentum" stock???

New 52-week highs.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:10 | 1856348 Dr. Engali
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If a person had bought Walmart in 2000 they would have the same amount of money now as they did then. Great return. But wait we have had inflation since then....

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:18 | 1856380 Subprime JD
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Oh stop being so tacky

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:17 | 1856370 SheepDog-One
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New 52 week highs are the same as years ago, you blithering idiot.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:00 | 1856311 Subprime JD
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Egan Jones needs to fuck off. Europe is fine

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:01 | 1856313 RobotTrader
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Wells Fargo and Regions Financial

Both taking off like scalded dogs today

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:21 | 1856392 LongSoupLine
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You provide 0% to this site.  Your predictable ramp day/hour name dropping and rear-view mirror analysis is beyond trolltarded.

Even other trolls are embarrassed by your posts...

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:26 | 1856411 Subprime JD
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:43 | 1856500 narapoiddyslexia
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Regions Financial is down almost 50% for the year. Its damn near a penny stock. And how much has it paid back for the TARP crap? Crickets....

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:48 | 1856541 lieutenantjohnchard
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obviously, you are uninformed by the 'tards unsuccessful trading. he is not a trader. he is a buy and hold wannabe. and i can assure you based on his own words in his more candid moments, and delineation of his investments, he has not, and is not making money. those are his words, not mine, or anybody elses words on this site.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:52 | 1856554 Subprime JD
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Robo is one of the Tylers. I'm convinced by the writing style

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:56 | 1856575 lieutenantjohnchard
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i've looked closely at the style, too. i disagree. the 'tard is a part-time, contract 1099 processor at a small bank in los angeles. his words, not mine. research his past posts. he's a fraud, writ large, and a provocateur with too much time on his hands for his own good.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:00 | 1856595 Subprime JD
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I've read that myself about the 1099. I don't believe it. I'm sticking with my guns, it's one of the Tylers trolling his own audience which is fucking hilarious

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:01 | 1856604 lieutenantjohnchard
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suit yourself.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:09 | 1856649 Subprime JD
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you have to admit, the writing style is very similar.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:23 | 1856397 Quinvarius
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Itis called money printing and bailouts.  Don't stupidly confuse that with economic activity.  And don't stupidly buy bank stocks.  There are better ways to play money printing.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:05 | 1856329 chenn
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I believe Kernan and MCC are the only two desk jockies left at CNBC who have a clue.  When they have to give their own opinions they always seem to have a good understanding of the reality of the situation.  When somebody like Sean Egan comes on they are forced to play devils-advocate and set up the pins in order to let him knock them down.

Sorkin and Liesman however are clueless.  Liesman actually believes the Keynesian crap that he continually bleats.  Sorkin is like a wide-eyed little high school socialist who can't believe that everybody doesn't agree with him and his "kumbaya" ideals.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:05 | 1856330 Dr. Engali
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Sorkin: You knew the markets were in a tenuous place after MF global and what your call did to JEF and the markets , do you regret making that call? Translation/ Why didn't you wait until the markets were on better footing to tell the truth?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:10 | 1856347 worthabid
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Here goes Sean again, in search of getting his name out there on discussion boards.  Sean is not about truth or real analysis, he's about promoting his business.  What better way to get advertising and get his name more in the mainstream that to put forth a bunch of outlandish commentary.  He looks totally stupid for his comments on JEF, and while Europe is a total disaster, Egan misses the mark with his analysis of the primary conceerns. 

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:11 | 1856351 ItsDanger
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The result of a model under lower leverage will be lower bonuses.  Such is life.  Boo-hoo.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:17 | 1856369 Darth Silver
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Egan stood up like a champ.  loved when he insinuated the barclays guy was "fairly naive".  boy could he have said a lot worse than that.


that barclays guy's comment about its hard to make ROE below a certain level is beyond moronic.  you can not survive a hit above a certain level and that was the emphasis of Egan. 

CNBC set the hit squad to rip Egan Jones and they failed miserably. 

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:21 | 1856389 I am a Man I am...
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we live in a system of a bunch of leverage junkies, like crack cocaine to the financial douche bags

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:31 | 1856438 defn8Dog
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You had me at "hushes the CNBCers"

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:06 | 1856630 robertocarlos
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Egan was stupid to use the word "Clintonesq" And I hate Clinton. Just say the process is being dragged out.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:29 | 1856731 haskelslocal
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Wow. An adult conversation on CNBC? Impressive. A fluke I'm sure.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:57 | 1856846 c'mon man
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CNBC taking shots at Shawn Eagan right now ...attack the messenger as usual...they no like what went down this morning...

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 13:13 | 1856888 reggiehammond
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CNBC is such a fucking joke. See it for what it is. They are looking for ad revenue, completely beholden to these Wall ST scumbags who love the opportunity to get on TV to make their idiotic stock picks which are based on what (what analysis actually goes on-they look at a fucking PE???), and gratify these outrageous corporations. The have entire shows lionizing the story of Walmart, Apple, Etc. The on-air jerk offs and Wall St.  interviewees are on AIM or facebook the whole fucking day trust me. The thought process of an analyst apearing on CNBC can be summed up with the following: "I'm gonna be on Squawk Box. I need to wear my 5g Brioni suit with that Charvet tie the lebanese hooker picked out for me when we went shopping." These people are decerebrate charlatans with ALL the money. You expect them to be stupid an greedy enough to lose it but that's really what our government does (next to foreign incursions and creating a monster criminal justice complex) is make sure that everything is all white.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 13:20 | 1856919 reggiehammond
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here are actual IQ test results from CNBC hosts:


Bartiromo- 64

Guy adami- 68


Bill Griffeth- 52.6 

Mental retardation (MR) is a generalized disorder appearing before adulthood, characterized by significantly impaired cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors. It has historically been defined as an Intelligence Quotient score under 70.[1]


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 20:30 | 1858941 Buck Johnson
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He told them the truth and they didn't want to believe it. 

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