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Egypt Prepares To Use Aircraft And Tanks In Sinai For First Time In 40 Years

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While the geopolitical focus is once again all over Iran and Israel, it may be time to take a quick look Egypt, where the recently elected, and pro-US president Mohamed Mursi is "preparing to use aircraft and tanks in Sinai for the first time since the 1973 war with Israel in its offensive against militants in the border area." Reuters continues: "The plans to step up the operation were being finalised by Egypt's newly appointed Defence Minister General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi as he made his first visit to Sinai on Monday following the killing of 16 border guards on August 5. Egypt blamed the attack on Islamist militants and the conflict is an early test for President Mohamed Mursi - elected in June following the overthrow last year of Hosni Mubarak - to prove he can rein in militants on the border with Israel. "Al-Sisi will supervise the putting together of final plans to strike terrorist elements using aircraft and mobile rocket launchers for the first time since the beginning of the operation," an Egyptian security source said. Another security source said the army was planning to attack and besiege al-Halal mountain in central Sinai, using weapons including tanks, where militants were suspected to be hiding." Of course, what can possibly go wrong in the middle east once a government decides to escalate military expansion against militant terrorists. Look for crude to rise ever higher, and for SPR release rumors to hit the tape daily as yet another market is ensnared in price controls ahead of the election.

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Another security source said the army was planning to attack and besiege al-Halal mountain in central Sinai, using weapons including tanks, where militants were suspected to be hiding.

 

Disorder has spread in North Sinai, a region with many guns that has felt neglected by the central government, since the overthrow of Mubarak in a popular uprising. Mubarak's government had worked closely with Israel to keep the region under control and Islamist President Mursi has promised to restore stability.

 

The 1979 peace treaty between both countries limited military presence in the desert peninsula though in recent years Israel agreed to allow Egypt to deploy more forces there to stem weapons smuggling by Palestinian gunmen and other crimes.

 

After the border attack this month, Egypt launched a joint army-police operation that has raided militant hideouts, arrested their members and seized weapons.

 

Israeli officials, who say they are in regular contact with Cairo, have encouraged Egypt to take tough action against the gunmen responsible for the assault and have previously allowed the use of helicopters in the operation.

A quick look at  Egypt's brand new defense minister:

Al-Sisi was appointed defence minister last week in a surprise shake-up by Mursi, replacing Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi who served as Mubarak's defence minister for 20 years.

And more in depth:

Sisi was sworn in as commander-in-chief of the army and defense minister on Sunday, becoming the nation's first defense minister not to hold the field marshal army rank, coming instead from the country's military intelligence unit, according to Ahram Online.

 

It is also likely no coincidence that Sisi formerly served as commander of the country's north, including the troublesome Sinai region, where the Egyptian military just launched military airstrikes for the first time in three decades following the recent killing of 16 Egyptian border guards.

 

Then, of course, there are the rumors. Two months ago, popular Egyptian talk show host Tawfiq Okasha alleged Sisi was basically working as a Muslim Brotherhood mole in the country's then-ruling Supreme Council of Armed Forces, or SCAF, reported Daily News Egypt. SCAF took power in Egypt following last year's ousting of longtime President Hosni Mubarak.

 

Such claims were quickly denied by SCAF, according to Daily News Egypt. But the rumor could see new life with President Morsi being the Muslim Brotherhood's presidential candidate and all. Still, who knows.

 

Sisi is also believed to be among the youngest, if not the youngest member of the ruling military council, and indeed is nearly two decades younger than his 75-year-old predecessor Tantawi, who lead the country's armed forces since 1991.

 

Tantawi and Sisi also both worked as military attachés, according to Ahram Online, Sisi having served Saudi Arabia and Tantawi in Pakistan.

Look forward to escalating news flow out of the Sinai, and, of course, to new all time highs in Brent in EUR, and soon in any currency.

 

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Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:14 | 2720549 vinu02
Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:24 | 2720557 Dalago
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They'll need a SHIT TON of WD40.  Just line up and get more aid/military goods from the American's.  If not, go to the Russian's and Chinese.  Isreal will be shook, son.

 

It feels like a Harlem drug deal.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2720609 Precious
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A new Northrop Grumman method for Fracking.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:59 | 2720679 francis_sawyer
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Holy Moses Batman!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:19 | 2720738 Colombian Gringo
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Mursi understands that the Americans are treacherous allies who can never be trusted. Ask Mubarak (via a spirit medium, of course). 

 

The Chinese and Russians want to make money, and will leave Mursi alone if he plays along with them.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:16 | 2720918 francis_sawyer
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While you have that spirit medium on the line, some greedy bankers want to know if he stashed some gold anywhere that nobody knows about...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:05 | 2721110 Randall Cabot
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"Israel benefits greatly from Sunday's incident. Sixteen Egyptian soldiers were killed in Sinai. Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood (MB) blamed Mossad. More below on separating rhetoric from policy.

MB's English language web site headlined "Muslim Brotherhood Statement on Unprovoked Aggression Against Rafah Border-Guards," saying:

"Yesterday, a group of criminals and terrorists attacked an Egyptian security checkpoint in Rafah, killing nearly twenty of our brothers, our sons, and stole one car and one truck, and tried to crash their way into Israel."

Hamas leader Ismail Haniya is Palestine's legitimately elected prime minister. He also blames Israel for Sunday's incident. It's "responsible, one way or another, for this attack to embarrass Egypt's leadership and create new problems at the border in order to ruin efforts to end" Gaza's siege.

He added that "(n)o Palestinian wants to kill anybody in Egypt. Any attack against Egypt's security is also against the security of Palestinians."

An official Hamas statement said:

"Hamas condemns this ugly crime that killed a number of Egyptian soldiers and extends its deep condolences to the families of the victims and to the leadership and the people of Egypt."

Israel blamed unidentified Gaza militants. A supportive Haaretz article headlined "Armed militants attack Egyptian army outpost, try to infiltrate Israel border,"

http://rense.com/general95/anothermos.html

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 23:26 | 2722639 Bringin It
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Egypt has left the reservation.

Egypt thumbs nose at US

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH21Ak02.html

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:23 | 2720568 hampsterwheel
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very bullish for the S&P -

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:14 | 2720717 fuu
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The website you pimp sucks.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 16:44 | 2721608 Newsboy
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Rense.com has all manner of non-MSM stories.

It is unfiltered.

One must do one's own filtering.

Some would make similar accusations about ZH, ya'know?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:18 | 2720558 alien-IQ
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This is designed to test the new Egyptian leaders level of fealty towards Israel. If they (Egypt) begin killing their own and calling them terrorists...they will have passed the Israel "fealty" test.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:20 | 2720561 FieldingMellish
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They already have. A number have been captured and executed since the raid two weeks ago. The MB is proving quite "flexible" now that it is in power and backed by the US. Funny that.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:15 | 2720727 Zwelgje
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The MB was erected by MI6.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 23:31 | 2722651 Bringin It
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Alien - this guy has a different take.

Egypt thumbs nose at US

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH21Ak02.html

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 23:32 | 2722657 Bringin It
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Having posted, I see BankGuy beat me to it.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:19 | 2720559 bank guy in Brussels
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Superb article today in the excellent Asia Times Online

Egypt's new President has quite suprised the US and Obama, who thought they had bought the Muslim Brotherhood

Obama invited Egypt's President Morsi to the White House

But Morsi is going to China and Iran instead

And Egypt knows that recent big-time 'terrorist operation' in Sinai, so superbly executed, was not the Bedouin tribesmen, it was Israel and Mossad

'Egypt thumbs the nose at US'

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH21Ak02.html

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:51 | 2720657 gmrpeabody
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"And Egypt knows that recent big-time 'terrorist operation' in Sinai, so superbly executed, was not the Bedouin tribesmen, it was Israel and Mossad"

I guess I missed this..., what's your source, plz?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:55 | 2720666 Uncle Remus
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Oh please.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:58 | 2720677 gmrpeabody
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No, really, Uncle Remus. Is this fact or an opinion. It would certainly be a valid opinion, but if fact, may have huge implications. Just asking..., not critisizing anybody.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:18 | 2720733 Zwelgje
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sure.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:07 | 2721126 gmrpeabody
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Newbies like you should read and contemplate more..., type less..., until you begin to understand things a little better. Until then, blow off.

Oh ya..., welcome to ZH.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 17:42 | 2721814 Zwelgje
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are you saying I didn't exist until I signed up?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:22 | 2720746 Uncle Remus
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I have no idea if it is fact. Run the numbers and ask who benefits. Besides, it's not terrorism, it's an act of justification.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:19 | 2720926 gmrpeabody
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So you don't know.

It's OK..., if you don't know, you don't know.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 16:59 | 2721685 Maghreb
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For now I'd say its just a theory.

Still the Israeli's have strong links with Bedouins alot of shit getting smuggled in isn't bound for Gaza. The Bediouns make big money trafficking drugs, contraband and people into Israel. Alot of money is made. It would make no sense for the Bedouins to start a full on war with the Egyptian army and the Israeli's at the same time. The Bedouins have survived there too long to pull some stupid shit like that at a time like this. They are non ideological survivors who have no time for Islamists.

I don't think it was the Mossad though, might have been the Brotherhood or whoever was setting those gas pipelines on fire during the revolution. The Mossad by all accounts have been behaving themselves lately, too preoccupied with Iran, not sure they like whats going on with Syria either. In the end however ruthless the Mossad are they aren't stupid, they have their nation why risk everything for world war III in the Middle East.

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:09 | 2720701 slewie the pi-rat
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the US was "quite surprised" b/c egypt "thumbed it's nose"?

i put up links here last week that the military leadership had been sacked and mursi had made plans to visit iran

so the "news" here is actually not 'news' except for the sinai expedition plan(s)

what it most likely "means" is that egypt [which i would imagine is still a pretty strong friend of the US] has rid itself of both mubarik and the junta which had been behind the throne and was also still pushing at the the new goobering peeps making electoral and security and transition rules and so on ever since the bread-heads and revo or (L0L) "turning"

who is mursi? i have been asking zeroHeads to take a very close look at him all along and have posted his vitae here before also b.c he has that great "zag-a-zigU" cred :> Biography for Muhammad Mursi - Silobreaker

and this is the VIPart imo :>  Education: 1982 PhD in Engineering from South California University, (northRidge) USA, 1978 MSc in Engineering from Cairo University, Egypt  1975 BSc in Engineering, Cairo University, Egypt

in spite of all the focus (foci?) on the EU and the US and the ME and china and..., africa is where everything is happening politically and diplomatically right now imo

the idea that lay people such as you and i "know" what spooks are driving which agents or faction what way and why is absurd

however the MSM want people to think they understand so they highlight different stuff on different daze

but the geopolitics are NOT confusing and i have also tried to bring some sanity to the discussions here be trying to keep things simple amidst all the sabre-rattling and fire-fights since Fall/Winter 2011

that said, can you guess why slewie considers this the most important news of this day (the day after the 'Eid' action) :> 

Blast on Sudan Plane Kills 31 A blast aboard a plane carrying an "official delegation" to Sudan's war-torn South Kordofan state for the Muslim Eid holiday on Sunday killed all 31 on board, an aviation official said in the Suanese capital, Khartoum.

 

????  and no, that's not even a "trick" question!

 

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:04 | 2720877 JOYFUL
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...the idea that lay people such as you and i "know" what spooks are driving which agents or faction what way and why is absurd...

and the quote of the day award goes to the pi-rat(there was some other quite choice material in there too!)

Don't think for a moment that anything going on here is what meets the eye...the hand of media duplicity is much faster than any eyeballin can keep up with...ever since G-Daff finally went down for the count we've bin bedazed by dissimulationist disinfo about what's going on in Afreaka and the ME...

Those "terrorists" in the north will be sio-controlled Hamas operatives, playing rhythmn section to Mr. Brotherhoods' operatic opus in Cairo, wherein he alternately swoons with passion for the newly old-guard military junta and rattles his cheap sword(the one he uses for the sword swallowing schtick when called upon to enterain his higherups in the NED\ICG hierarchy) at them...

It's all farce. State Department[MadDOgClinton]directs, telaviv produces, and usual, Merikan taxpayer picks up the tab....

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/08/west-celebrates-as-dark-age-de... \Brother Tony C nails this sucker -

Mohamed Morsi - hardly a "hardline extremists" himself, he is the embodiment of the absolute fraud that is the Muslim Brotherhood - a leadership of Western-educated, Western-servingtechnocrats posing as "pious Muslims" attempting to cultivate a base of fanatical extremists prepared to intimidate through violence the Brotherhood's opposition

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 23:39 | 2722678 Bringin It
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Joyful - why is Morsi, aka 'the absolute fraud' according to you, going to Iran?

Maybe everyone knows the Zino-West is soon to collapse financially? 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:08 | 2720889 RichardP
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slewie - can you help clarify?  The link you gave says education was at South California University.  There is no such University in California.  But there are these.  The only one at Northridge is California State University at Northridge (CSUN)  Another possibility is Southern California University (renamed California Southern University in 2007).  But that is a correspondence school and offers no degrees in Engineering that I can see.  And USC is south and west of downtown Los Angeles, while Northridge is north and west.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSUN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Southern_University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_South_Bay_University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Southern_California

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:20 | 2720933 slewie the pi-rat
Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:53 | 2721062 RichardP
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Thanks.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:08 | 2721127 slewie the pi-rat
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he seems to have been in the school @ calN'ridge during the CARTER admin from about 75 or 6 - 1978 campDavidAccordspic

and carter's administration ended with the US embassy held hostage by iran and ronnie the fab [R] actor knocked off jimmie the fab [D] (nuclear) engineer for the wH in '80 and took office 1/'81

if mursi was a graduate civil (?) engineering stu around these times, doya think he knows anybody from...  bechtel? 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 23:56 | 2722716 Bringin It
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slewie - what part of the Egyptian elite from the last 4 decades did not study in the Homeland?

I think many outside the Homeland can detect the sea change and are placing bets accordingly.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2721162 slewie the pi-rat
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posting again: 

that said, can you guess why slewie considers this the most important news of this day (the day after the 'Eid' action) :> 

Blast on Sudan Plane Kills 31

A blast aboard a plane carrying an "official delegation" to Sudan's war-torn South Kordofan state for the Muslim Eid holiday on Sunday killed all 31 on board, an aviation official said in the Suanese capital, Khartoum.

i put up a map of this part of eAfrica last week-end just before this "happened" trying to tell the BiCheZ here that the carriers off iran were also off eAFRICA too for pete's sake! 

the magician has TWO hands...   remember...? the constant propwash abt "iran" may simply be a smokescreen

and this guy (re-post from yest) is from where...?  we have a winner in the henryTheK look-alike contest, BiCheZ!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:19 | 2720736 FRBNYrCROOKS
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The Saudis are crapping their panties. They, probably, sharted when they read the article.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:22 | 2720562 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Sisi was sworn in as commander-in-chief of the army and defense minister on Sunday, becoming the nation's first defense minister not to hold the field marshal army rank, coming instead from the country's military intelligence unit, according to Ahram Online."

 

Kind of tells you a lot right there. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:32 | 2720600 Dr. Engali
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I see somebody from"intelligence" junked you.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:40 | 2720627 Cognitive Dissonance
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<sigh>

I <heart> intelligence! It's so Orwellian.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:03 | 2720688 falak pema
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I thought Sisi was as austrian princess. Who got stabbed to death in Geneva by an anarchist. She must have had an Egyptian lover. Those Mamelukes had good looks and lots of mames, I mean dames.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 23:46 | 2722699 Bringin It
Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:42 | 2720801 malikai
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My thoughts as well.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2720651 john39
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the nerve of those egyptians thinking that they should be allowed to defend their own air space... 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:25 | 2720947 RichardP
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In the Camp David Accords signed by Israel and Egypt, Egypt agreed that it would not militarize the Siani Penninsula.  President Morsi wishes to change that agreement and this is probably a first step.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/158903

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159043

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:23 | 2720569 Dr. Engali
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Maybe we should start funding the militants so we can start an uprising to counter the uprising.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:27 | 2720579 Ghordius
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a very novel idea indeed - revolutionary

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:31 | 2720594 Dr. Engali
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Why not? We funded the uprsing to begin with which started because we exported our inflation to them. It seems that world chaos is our goal anyway.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2720615 johnQpublic
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careful what you say or someone might bring you some freedom and democracy

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2720629 Ghordius
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and consumer goodies

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:58 | 2720676 falak pema
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that's the motto of the skull n boners : constructive chaos. WHat began in Irak now continues on a larger scale. GBW; a true boner. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:34 | 2720610 johnQpublic
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war is peace

ignorance is strength

all your base is belong to U.S.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 16:18 | 2721527 MillionDollarBoner_
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freedom is slavery

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 17:00 | 2721688 papaya
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Freedom is just another word for "nothing left to lose".

 

Janis Joplin 1971

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 20:16 | 2722187 Henry Hub
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Actually those words were from "Kris" Kristofferson. I just love to pick at nits

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:37 | 2720613 LMAOLORI
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"Dr. Engali Maybe we should start funding the militants so we can start an uprising to counter the uprising."

 

U.S. Groups Helped Nurture Arab Uprisings and look how that is turning out

 

 

ARAB SPRING RUN AMOK: 'BROTHERHOOD' STARTS CRUCIFIXIONS

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:46 | 2720636 Cognitive Dissonance
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The American foreign policy MO is to inflame and disrupt using puppet strongmen or stawman revolutionary "democracy" movements. The Egyptian "power to the people" movement is moving in exactly the direction the psychopaths want it to.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:56 | 2720670 magpie
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I guess we will be hearing a lot about the Egyptian nuclear program next...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:44 | 2720806 malikai
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Nah, Egypt is too far down Hubbert's curve. But Israel could use the space..

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 16:19 | 2721533 MillionDollarBoner_
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they prubly got them dubya-em-dees too

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:55 | 2720668 falak pema
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It happened in Tahrir square and Mubarak's camel brigade. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:00 | 2720678 Uncle Remus
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Sounds bullish. Democracy rehypothicated.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:23 | 2720570 Getting Old Sucks
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Isreal egged us on to invade Iraq.  Trying to egg us on to attack Iran.  Now they egg Egypt on.  They certainly know how to start wars.  Then they pass out the popcorn and watch them. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:23 | 2720571 Xibalba
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War is good business....

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:29 | 2720587 firstdivision
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Egypt has aircraft carriers?!?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:37 | 2720621 i-dog
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Yes. Their names are Abdul and Hamid. They'll carry the aircraft to the Sinai. (They're quite strong fellas...from the weight-lifting team, I believe).

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:54 | 2720665 falak pema
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it takes two to tango charlie. Their aircraft are reduced models. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:02 | 2720685 Uncle Remus
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Reduced to scrap, if history is any indicator.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:05 | 2720692 falak pema
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they're good at recycling plastics. 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:29 | 2720589 Jim in MN
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Weeeeeeel now, little terrorist buddies, how kind of you to give us the pretext to move heavy weapons and air assets back into the Sinai after all these years.

Here's a handshake and a little kick in the ass for good measure. 

But, make sure there's always a few rats around to, you know, make sure the tanks and planes can stay.  Odd logic, but that's the best we can do.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:22 | 2720892 slewie the pi-rat
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yup!

this is part of the "war on terror" which maybe the ZeroHead bother&cistern-hood can celebrate as now having one decade of action and gore into the film archives at thePoint

intel wars;  currency wars;  digits upon digits;  babel to the moon, alice;  engineering gone wild;  spooks and babyBlackHummingbirds everywhere

did they "arrest" that activist ex-marine b/c he was a combatEngineer gone wild? 

rats?  Hahaha!  nothing is as it appears to be and it is our fault?  well tyvm, jim!   and of course, you are right, again!  nice tail, too, btw...

this isn't really about terrorism which is only male-female confusion regarding asymmertic cock sizes imo based on cascading projections of gender envy and struggles to dominate home economics

possibly political differences in different groups of religious fun-fundraising fundies of the semitic monotheisms over ...

...evolution?   are you shitting moi?   the "evolution of voting patterns since dieBold" mebbe  L0L!!!

these are the days of intel - YouTube

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:31 | 2720976 Jim in MN
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Reading 'Where the Air is Clear' by Carlos Fuentes, a super-sized dose of reality slap in the face. Nothing new my dear pi-rat (and did you notice the US population standing at an estimated pi last week?  Of course you did).

Also just read this gem in a 1978 paper by a later Nobel Prize winning economist:

"An extreme example is that of British egg prices in the early sixties.  The eggs were produced almost entirely by battery hens, who had no idea of the seasons as they existed in a closely controlled, stable environment, and, thus, production could be made steady throughout the year.  The egg prices were fixed by the Egg Marketing Board who, on being asked why the prices contained a strong seasonal element, replied that 'the housewives expect it.'  The seasonal in egg prices vanished soon after the enquiry was made."

 

Who is more controlled?  The hens?  The housewives?  The Egg Marketing Board?  Or the PhD economist?  How many licks DOES it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:47 | 2721206 slewie the pi-rat
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L0L!!!    thx!  {...i wondered wtf tyler was up to answering me on that demographics string yestersday...}

i think i get yer p'int:  now they just control the climate & weatherclosing prices at 7, right? 

you a_re on fraking fire today, jim!

fuk_u & bong-ho too!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:32 | 2720592 Arnold Ziffel
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Ecuadorian warships are steaming toward the Cliffs of Dover to protect their soverigenty embassy status.....but they only have 2 ships::((

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:06 | 2721124 ParkAveFlasher
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Unfortunately, one of them is a tug boat, it pushes the other.

If Ecuador is suing Assange to give up some informational goodies, he likely has done it already in manner that does not require his physical body from vacating its current premises. 

My spidersense is tinkling in the Ecuador-power-bases tell me he's done this already.  Wealthy individuals in NYC, themselves expats to protect their wealth from Ecuadorian regimes while and laundering it as a bonus, for example, are making low-visibility plans to return. 

Ecuador initiating a two-craft naval blockade of England - I imagine those craft would "capsize in a storm at sea" if that is their intent.

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 17:11 | 2721720 papaya
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"Unfortunately, one of them is a tug boat, it pushes the other."

In that case, it would be a push boat.  

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:33 | 2720604 CatoRenasci
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Double plus ungood

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:40 | 2720620 magpie
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So ex-Mubarak/US State department cronies kicked out, retired and suicided, Saudi Arabian intelligence cronies
back in.

And to think Egypt was a notorious grain exporter in antiquity.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:03 | 2720687 francis_sawyer
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Their sense of beats ~ I compute

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nz6MEJwqvc

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:40 | 2720626 Monedas
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US and Israel play the towel heads like puppets !   Good theatre of the absurd !   

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:53 | 2720662 Monedas
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My mama tends her modest rutabega patch in southern New Jersey .... the boots are for stomping varmits !

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 20:23 | 2722201 Henry Hub
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Actually, Israel plays the US like a puppet!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:45 | 2720637 Monedas
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Sinai belongs to Israel .... since Moses claimed it !

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2720656 john39
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exactly.  this smells like a set up...  to justify another Israeli land grab...  in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and who knows where else...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:05 | 2720691 Uncle Remus
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QUIET!  No talking on the set.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:15 | 2720726 Cognitive Dissonance
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And.........rollem!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:26 | 2720759 Uncle Remus
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Uh, I think it's "action". Oh, you meant the tanks.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:52 | 2721269 slewie the pi-rat
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shhh... water water everywhere and not a drop to drink...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:57 | 2720667 Monedas
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If Israel "annexed" the Sinai .... it would preserve it's geographical shape .... that of an asses jawbone smiting Muslim infidels !  Israel has a legitimate claim to Suez canal revenue .... reparations owed by Vichy France !

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:12 | 2720711 Ima anal sphincter
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It's SOOOO nice when I can read a new POS's crap thoughts on ZH. Typical jew boy "chosen one." I'm (we're) special. Chosen by God you-know. Fuck everybody else, you're just animals anyway.

Well guess what? YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL! I truly believe you're the work of the devil. So much damn evil wrapped up in one country and one people.

Some day soon....I hope you get EXACTLY what is coming to you.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:28 | 2720764 Uncle Remus
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If you look close at his avatar you'll see the tongue-in-cheek.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:34 | 2720781 Gashole
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"We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."

 

Whatsa matter? Upset that Jews are more likely to be rockstars and movie gods and millionaires?  Burns your ass doesn't it?

 Hate is like drinking poison hoping that someone else will die.

Enjoy a double dose.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:50 | 2720827 Ima anal sphincter
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Hate is like drinking poison hoping that someone else will die.

Just the right ones.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:58 | 2720857 JR
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Hate? I don't know to what others aspire, but rockstar, moviestar, millionaire-via-porno-dealer in my pursuit of happiness are surpassed by my desire to be free, to be at liberty. And as for hate, methinks you doth protest too much.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:17 | 2721150 Ima anal sphincter
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You are correct JR.

Unfortunately, there have been WAY to many deaths caused by by so few. It would be simpler to just get rid of the few. I think the rest of us would get along just fine. My slam was not directed at ALL Jews. The honest folks in that group have also been used and lied to. Now Zionists....that's a whole different game. Same way with Muslim extremists or (so called) Christians who advocate all these wars. Anyone who forces their will on others needs to be put in their place.

Our time on this earth is so short. Why does it have to be lived in pain and worry? Why does it have to end early?

Get rid of the evil and make sure it NEVER rears it's ugly head again.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:48 | 2721254 JR
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To the philosophy of why don’t we all just get along, Winston Churchill’s frank appraisal seems to fit here.

“And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.”   Winston Churchill, Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People, Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920, page 5.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 20:32 | 2722217 Henry Hub
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The goyim should eat their collective hearts out

"Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel."
-Rabbi Ovadia Yosef

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:08 | 2720697 JR
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The tightrope that Mohamed Mursi begins to walk in the Sinai puts the Egyptian people in focus for their desire for freedom versus a U.S.-led propaganda campaign on Israel’s behalf. So far, Mursi is exhibiting strength of character in the face of his opposition.

This plays out on the world stage where America’s former freedom shining for all to see by the light from the city on the hill has been extinguished and replaced by her newfound freedom wrought by War... on Terror.

The newspeak for freedom was initially introduced by America’s new 21st Century Founding Father of freedom by war, Ehud Barak, a major designer of America’s War on Terror.

Barak, Israeli politician and military leader, was in the London studio of the BBC and within minutes of the explosive demolitions of the Twin Towers on 911 and  before any evidence was available immediately called for a “War on Terror” and US military intervention in Afghanistan.

Carl Cameron’s four-part FOX news story regarding Israel’s involvement in America’s newfound 911 freedom (since removed by FOX with the notation “This story no longer exists) supports Founder Barak’s patriotic false-flag efforts with confirmation from the FBI and other US agencies that the Israelis were involved in 911 but that the information is “classified.”

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wrh_9-11_index.php

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:35 | 2720783 tawse57
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The Yanks have been busy selling state of the art kit including fighters and tanks to the Egyptians . I don't think there was any thought given to an Islamic fundamentalise government being elected to power and what would then happen with all that US military hardware on the border of Israel.

If Israel attacks Iran what will the new Egyptian President do or order? What would the Egyptian military do?

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:51 | 2720831 linrom
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Russia sold Alaska to US, why doesn't Egypt sell Sinai to Israel?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:01 | 2720869 JR
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For the same reason Egypt does not give Israel the keys to the Suez.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:13 | 2720907 Uncle Remus
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The US taxpayer is on the hook for enough bad real estate already, don't you think?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 18:08 | 2721887 falak pema
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they're scared the tribes would move back across the Red Sea and occupy the Nile valley. Reverse exodus, like reverse osmosis!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 20:13 | 2722179 i-dog
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Too late ... the Zionists took over Egypt in last year's coup.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 00:25 | 2722752 Bringin It
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Sorry i-dog, but you're getting ahead of yourself there.

Give it a bit and see what happens.

Check out JR's synopsis

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/egypt-prepares-use-aircraft-and-tanks-sina...

The financial disease should be obvious to all.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:46 | 2721033 Totentänzerlied
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Exactly what type of militants are these that justify a military response within said military's own borders? And what has the miltiary been doing up until now? Aircraft and tanks and rocket launchers? Sounds more like they're preparing for an invasion than for some terrorists, against whom, of what exact use is such heavy weaponry in an urban setting (what kind of terrorists operate anywhere else)?

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 22:29 | 2722476 RichardP
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Exactly what type of militants are these that justify a military response within said military's own borders?

President Morsi is undoubtedly taking advantage of the situation - which makes me wonder if he didn't cause the situation to happen so that he could take advantage of it.  Here's a repeat of my comment above.

In the Camp David Accords signed by Israel and Egypt, Egypt agreed that it would not militarize the Siani Penninsula.  President Morsi wishes to change that agreement and this is probably a first step.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/158903

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159043

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:16 | 2721340 Arthur Borges
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See http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH21Ak02.html for M.K. Bhadrakumar's take on the new Egyptian president's policy moves.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 19:40 | 2722097 JR
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We don’t get this kind of perspective in the U.S.

As commenters said regarding

Egypt thumbs the nose at US: Excellent article and excellent news! Let us hope Egypt remains an independent power free from the interference of America & Israel!  · Thumbs up for your brilliant analysis & inside information that are unknown to the public.

And what a lead by Ambassador Bhadrakumar:

The gloom in Washington must be deepening. Egypt is careering away from the alliance with the United States - and the bitter truth cannot be hidden or obfuscated anymore.

This is not how Washington expected the "right side of history" to play out. The Arab Spring has borne a strange fruit in Egypt - a pure breed, unlike the hybrids in Tunisia, Libya or Yemen.

Consider the following….

It's also noteworthy that Ambassador Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service; assignments including the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey.

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 22:32 | 2722486 RichardP
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Egypt is careering away from the alliance with the United States

Egypt won't be careening too wildly.  The U.S. supplies them with a lot of money for their military.  They won't jeapordize the funds.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 00:19 | 2722774 Bringin It
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RichardP, here you expose your blind spot.  The "lot of money" is your funny-money FRNs.  It's a confidence game that's losing confidence at an increasing rate.  Maybe Morsi and the Bros', among others have figured this out?  China's got more forex FRN's than anybody else and they're doing all they can to get something tangible for them while they can. 

When are you going to fugure it out?

Good luck.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 17:13 | 2721726 lolmao500
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And Egypt deployed anti-air missiles in the Sinai... so... why again do they need anti-air missiles against terrorists armed with AK-47??

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/08/19/egypt-reportedly-sets-up-anti-aircr...

Egypt Reportedly Sets up Anti-Aircraft Missiles in Sinai Desert
Mon, 08/20/2012 - 19:29 | 2722071 Super B
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The Sinai is supposed to be demilitarized per the cease fire agreement with Israel.  Introducing Egyptian tanks and planes is actually an act of war.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 19:52 | 2722130 JR
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Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar replies in his analysis of the situtation in the Asia Times today (see Arthur Borges above):

… “It is useful to remember that the Brotherhood (and Hamas) pointedly accused Israel's Mossad of being responsible for the terrorist strike in Sinai on August 5.

“What made the Brothers come to this conclusion is unclear, but Sinai has been a lawless land for decades and it is inconceivable that Israeli intelligence paid no attention to the Islamist militant groups present there. In fact, what really happened on August 5 remains anybody's guess and it needs a willing suspension of disbelief to accept that the Bedouins could mount such a highly professional operation.

“Besides, something else was jarring. The terrorist strike in Sinai followed Morsi's meetings with the Hamas leadership in Cairo and his decision to partially ease the restrictions at the Rafah crossing (which of course made a mockery of Israel's ‘blockade’ of Gaza.

“Be that as it may, the attack in Sinai came even as the US was piling pressure on Morsi to optimally resuscitate the Mubarak-era security and military tie-ups between Cairo, Washington and Tel Aviv. Both Clinton and Panetta tried hard to persuade Morsi to recapture the spirit of the tripartite US-Egypt-Israel security cooperation over Sinai.

“But the Brothers would see that any such reversion to Mubarak-era policies towards Israel would be deeply resented by the Egyptian public - Islamists and "secularists alike - and in turn discredit the Brotherhood and erode the credibility of Morsi's presidency - in sum, it will be suicidal politically. The Brothers would also know that any configuration of Egypt's regional strategies with the locus resting on terrorism would preclude all possibilities of any creative policy rethink on Gaza.” …

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 22:40 | 2722505 RichardP
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The Sinai is supposed to be demilitarized per the cease fire agreement with Israel.

a.) President Morsi wishes to change that agreement;

b.) President Morsi notified the Israelis that he was moving this armament into the Sinai until the situation is stabilized.  The Israelis are concerned that "stabilization" could be a long time from now.  We will no doubt hear more about this.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 02:35 | 2722933 Joe A
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That would be a violation of the Camp David peace agreement.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 02:37 | 2722935 boiltherich
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Naw, the new president is putting a stop to armed lawlessness near the Israeli border which if left as is could trigger a legitimate retaliation by Israel.  Mubarak treated such BS harshly, he did not put up with it, and at last the new president is saying to the terrorists they are done with the criminal nonsense.  This is a good thing. 

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