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Empire Manufacturing Resumes Downward Slide, Misses Consensus, Future Conditions Index At Lowest Since February 2009

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The first August leading indicator starts off with a thud, after the Empire State manufacturing index just confirmed that the recent brief push higher was, well, transitory. Printing at -7.72, on expectations of 0.00, down from -3.76, the first diffusion index of the month just saw a third consecutive contractionary print in a row, setting the stage for much more ugliness in August. The summary was succint: "Business conditions continue to deteriorate: "The general business conditions index fell four points to -7.7. The new orders index also fell, inching down to -7.8; the negative reading—the third in a row—indicated that orders had declined. The shipments index held steady at 3.0, a sign that shipments were slightly higher over the month. The unfilled orders index continued to drift down, falling three points to -15.2. The delivery time index was little changed at 0.0. The inventories index dropped two points to -7.6, suggesting that inventory levels were down slightly." What is surprising is not that the current outlook is deteriorating, but that for the first time, the future index finally cracked as the hopium has finally ran out: "The future general business conditions index fell twenty-four points to 8.7, its lowest level since February 2009. The future new orders and shipments indexes dropped to their lowest levels since September 2001." I.e., hope is no more. And there is nothing to take its place.

Looking at individual indices, the New Orders index dropped to November 2010, Unfilled Orders dropped to December 2010, Inventories dropped to December 2010 levels, Prices Paid down to November 2010 levels, as as Priced Received. Amusingly the Number of Employees increased modestly from 1.11 to 3.26, coupled with an increase in the Average Employee Workweek: and there's your spin.

And in a special supplementary report, the NY Fed indicated that manufacturer still face difficult finding workers with select skills:

In a series of supplementary questions to the August 2011 Empire State Manufacturing Survey, fi rms were asked how much diffi culty, if any, they were experiencing in fi nding workers profi cient in select skill categories; they were also asked to estimate the costs of the training needed to bring new hires up to speed. The table below shows the results of the survey alongside the results from a parallel survey conducted in March 2007.


Despite the current slack job market, manufacturers’ responses in this month’s survey were not substantially different from those recorded in March 2007, when New York State’s unemployment rate was below 4½ percent. As in the earlier survey, workers with advanced computer skills were seen as the hardest to find: On a scale of 0 to 100, this task received a difficulty rating of slightly more than 61 in this month’s survey—almost identical to the rating it received in 2007. (See the table for a detailed explanation of the diffi culty measure.) Finding workers who are punctual and reliable received the second highest difficulty rating, followed by the task of finding workers with good interpersonal skills; these results, too, mirrored those from the earlier survey.

Respondents were also asked to estimate training and related costs for new hires as a percentage of overall compensation. On average, manufacturers indicated that such costs accounted for 6.5 percent of total compensation in the past year, compared with 5.6 percent in a typical year—percentages that closely tracked those cited in the 2007 survey. The median proportion was reported to be 5.0 percent, for both the past year and a typical year.


Finally, in a question not posed previously, manufacturers were asked how much they expected a typical worker’s wage or salary to increase (or decrease) over the next twelve months—not including benefi ts and not including any promotion or change in hours worked. The vast majority of respondents, 79 percent, predicted at least some increase in pay, while 21 percent expected wages to remain unchanged; no respondents anticipated a decline. The average expected pay increase was reported to be 2.4 percent, while the median was 2.8 percent.

Bottom line: it is impossible to find a punctual worker who knows what they are doing in the New York area.

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Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:47 | 1561097 dwdollar
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Rally on!

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:49 | 1561102 Temporalist
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I agree with the sarcasm but the futures are slowly dropping.  We'll see what happens today the propagandists will find something else to Google overpaying for Motorola.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:51 | 1561113 spiral_eyes
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manufacturing, bitchez!

(manufacturing quadruple A credit ratings, that is) 

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:55 | 1561127 Durgesh Sakhardande
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Google has cash and company’s with cash are trying to acquire market share and buy growth. 

There are value companies out there but the sentiments are bad. 

For eg. Micron.. 


Everyone knows the apple story in the tech space


Micron says NAND chip demand buoyed by tablets

10 Aug 2011 - 00:33

* Tablet demand helps Micron weather economic jitters

* Solid-state drives also boost demand

* Company eyes fallout from U.S. debt downgrade


SANTA CLARA, California, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Orders for Micron Technology Inc's <MU.O> NAND memory chips are holding up despite growing economic uncertainty, thanks to strong demand from manufacturers making tablets and solid-state drives, a senior executive at the chipmaker said.

Glen Hawk, vice president of NAND Solutions at the top U.S. maker of memory chips for computers and mobile gadgets, said it was too soon to know whether Standard & Poor's downgrade of U.S. sovereign debt on Friday and increased financial troubles in Europe would hurt demand.

"We haven't seen any effects in a week, but yes, people are going to be conservative about spending money and we're absolutely mindful of that," he told Reuters at an industry event on Tuesday.

Persistently high U.S. unemployment and the danger of a European financial crisis have depressed many electronics manufacturers at a time of year when they are normally busy preparing for the brisk back-to-school season.

Micron also makes DRAM chips used in personal computers, whose sales have been crimped in the United States and Europe by economic worries and the growing popularity of tablets.

Demand for chips used in consumer electronics like TVs, game consoles and cameras is expected to be less than normal this back-to-school season, although purchases of Apple Inc's<AAPL.O> iPad are expected to remain strong.

The red-hot success of the iPad and iPhone have made Apple a top consumer of NAND chips, driving manufacturers to increase their capacity.

Corporate IT managers are also increasingly replacing hard disk drives with NAND chips in the form of solid-state drives (SSDs) to speed up their data centers.

"I wouldn't characterize the NAND side of things as slower than seasonal," Hawk said. "There are two segments offsetting any other economic weakness. That's the tablet explosion and also the adoption of SSDs is absolutely increasing."

(Reporting by Noel Randewich; Editing by Richard Chang)

((; 415-677-2542; Reuters Messaging: Keywords: MICRO

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:58 | 1561139 banksterhater
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ZIRP has caused 90% of the deals that NEVER would have been done in a normal rate environment, they're overpaying in every sector.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:30 | 1561234 spanish inquisition
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Could be the start of getting rid of dollars before they are worthless..

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:50 | 1561106 Ned Zeppelin
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It's all about the USD. If down, DOW up on vapor volume and bots batting the ball back and forth!  Europe's calm will not last long. 

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:10 | 1561172 SheepDog-One
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When the USD is finally worth 1/8th of 1 cent, the DOW will be perched about 15,000 or so, probably by next month. 

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:50 | 1561111 pepperspray
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True blue's face is turning red

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:51 | 1561114 Cassandra Syndrome
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Empire Strikes Back Bitchez... Darth Bernanke to power up the Death Star for attack

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:54 | 1561120 Cognitive Dissonance
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Yeah.......but it's not as bad as 2008........yet.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:59 | 1561145 SheepDog-One
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Well, the problem is these poor companies are trying their hardest to hire many more workers to fill their huge backlogs of product orders, but they cant find anyone with SKILLS! See? Its the american peoples fault once again! 

Somehow we HAD plenty of american workers with skills, up till 2008, but now theyre all gone. 

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:04 | 1561337 adr
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do you know what the average pay at these small manufacturers is? usually less than $10 an hour. You are talking about jobs that require real skill that pay the same as Home Depot. why would anyone take a job with pretty bad working conditions and danger to your personal health when you could make the same money or more at Walmart.

Machine shops near me have all kinds of jobs advertised in the local paper. they all ask for experience yet advertise wages of $8.75. Minimum wage to work in a factory that reaches 120 degrees in the summer. They wonder why they don't get any applicants.

The reason is something I talked about before. Manufacturing is dead in the US becuase there is no money to be made. Mass retailers all want 60% margin or higher and as a manufacturer you can't pay employees a living wage when you can only generate a few cents on a product that sells for $10. 

Look what Home Depot charges you for one bolt. I had to pay $.75 for a single bolt that should have cost $.05. I guarantee Home Depot paid $.05 for that bolt and because there is nowhere else to buy it they just rape you over and over.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:19 | 1561385 SheepDog-One
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Well of course, I was talking about that in the 1990's when the country was abuzz in NAFTA and GATT euphoria and our new economic model 'borrow and consume'...I said it would never work because you cant borrow forever, and you cant compete with people making $2 a day. Nothing new to me, in fact I was one of the few that called it *fail* while everyone else was in market euphoria and flipping houses.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:54 | 1561121 overmedicatedun...
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somehow I knew it was the" workers" if those tax payers would stop being so cheap and cough up more taxes to the masters of the universe the economy would be just fine.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:56 | 1561130 SheepDog-One
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AH yes, another indicator that will allow Bernank to make the case that while all is well and markets are melting up, we need another $2 trillion free money to support the ridiculous 'recovery'.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:56 | 1561132 banksterhater
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CNBS is NOT REPORTING THIS! Instead they're drooling over "Ace" Greenberg like he's God.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:57 | 1561136 Irish66
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I was watching and thought CNBC didn't say a word.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:59 | 1561141 Durgesh Sakhardande
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I was watching bloomberg and all they are talking about is google ... and only google since the numbers have released.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:59 | 1561144 Snidley Whipsnae
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I think that by now you would take for granted that main stream media will ignore any bad news and put any distraction available on the boob tube... Why do you expect any different? Why are you watching CNBS?

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:56 | 1561134 Cdad
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And over at the BlowHorn [CNBC], not a word is spoken of the report.  Instead, we are all waiting on pins and needles to learn the name of the Quickster's new baby.  F'n brilliant!

Credibility at the network continues to follow the chart path of the Empire Manufacturing Index.  Cred valuation expected to hit negative integers by week's end.


Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:03 | 1561147 SheepDog-One
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CNBC left all credibility in the dust long ago, 2008 was the line where the media were told 'go with us, never ask a question again and say exactly what youre told, or youre forever finished in this business'.

Becky Quicks offspring- 'Bezelbub'. Little fukers probly gonna have horns and hooves!

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:04 | 1561156 101 years and c...
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is it Warren Jr.?

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:15 | 1561188 Village Smithy
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That was nasty, but funny.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 14:02 | 1562264 jerry_theking_lawler
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if it comes out with a bad combover and big goofy glasses, it will certainly be warren jr....

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:57 | 1561138 High Plains Drifter
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economic conditions continue to deteriorate but what the hey. let's go on a junket to israhole...

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 08:59 | 1561142 gwar5
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All the good ones are leaving NY taxes behind.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:03 | 1561152 Pay Day Today
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"Dropped to their lowest levels since September 2001"

What, was there something bad going on then? And is it bad that we're back there?

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:04 | 1561155 sbenard
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New orders are at the worst level in a decade? Ouch! That's even worse than the depths of 2009! There is no way to sugar-coat this report. It's UGLY!

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:07 | 1561164 SheepDog-One
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Hey as long as we've got ZIRP, then companies are partying down like Google way over paying for Motorola, and CNBC can be obsessed and fanatic about it like girls at a Beatles concert. Billionaires PLAYIN!

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:05 | 1561157 nmewn
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Let the Fraud Street bleating for QE commence!

I want myyy...I want myyy...I want my QEthreee...

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:16 | 1561179 SheepDog-One
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Funny part is, its not being mentioned anywhere but here, and futures havent even been dinged at all. Panicked bleating? All I hear is crickets chirping. Wheres the fear and panic? I see none at all, Wall St and financial media are partying like its 1929.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:24 | 1561217 nmewn
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As long as the musics playing...Chuck Prince

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:30 | 1561233 Esso
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"Wall St and financial media are partying like its 1929."

Good one. We are so screwed.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:07 | 1561163 overmedicatedun...
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with the lack of skilled people guess we need more B1 visas after all our UE rate is at historic lows er well UE is just so last century.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:09 | 1561167 lizzy36
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No worries.

Obama has a new economic plan: Patent Reform.

Because nothing says job creation like "patent reform".

Bachmann also has a plan. But hers is mostly how to "reprogram" the gays. One wonders if she is going to try that on her husband first.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:14 | 1561187 SheepDog-One
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LOL, Bachmans gay ass husband...and shes now been busted using bribery to win the STUPID straw God we're going down what a ruined nation.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:15 | 1561190 cowdiddly
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AH yes the Corn Dog Queen. That's it. The answwer to our problem. Make all the gays watch the Corny Dog manuevre over and over...............................................

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 14:05 | 1562276 jerry_theking_lawler
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well, at least we know how she got into politics...

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:17 | 1561195 overmedicatedun...
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hey thereLizz , you seem fixated on homosexual issues ..why's that?

 hint: a life style defined by one's sexual lusts is not a great investment in a normal society. self delusion about ones sexual nature as defined at birth is not what supports mental health. .current DSM not withstanding. 

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:28 | 1561226 SheepDog-One
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really...'sexual nature' is defined at birth? So you really liked getting your temperature taken a lot then.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:41 | 1561259 Vergeltung
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well said OverMed

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:44 | 1561265 Temporalist
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I think Lizz is pointing out the hypocrisy in trying to "reprogram" gays as they do when Marcus may be in the closet.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:21 | 1561391 SheepDog-One
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Yea, lets ignore the obvious Bachman hypocrisy and propensity for underhanded skullduggery in something as silly as a state fair straw poll....and turn it into a debate about being born gay. 

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:42 | 1561260 Temporalist
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Here's Marcus...taught Michelle all she knows about corn dogs:

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:22 | 1561395 SheepDog-One
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Why do these people look so out of their element whenever pictured eating a corn dog, or like Kerry biting a theyre never done such a thing before?

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:37 | 1561439 Temporalist
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They are used to drinking the blood of feti through a straw?

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:10 | 1561171 FoieGras
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Wonder what Rosenberg has to say about this. He must be doing victory laps around the Gluskin Shef office.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:14 | 1561184 High Plains Drifter
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cramer is in his 60's now. i have to say, is this guy still snorting blow?  does he drink some major hundred mile coffee or something?  

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:14 | 1561185 MFL8240
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Summer of recovery year 2 is definately living up to its name.  Where is the media to question the clown and vice clown on thier lies?

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:20 | 1561203 SheepDog-One
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Neither CNBC or Bloomberg has even mentioned this, buckle up folks here be monsters.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:21 | 1561205 ben_bernanke
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February 2009. Wasn't that a good time to be long the market? Why the armageddon implications? Pretty much every data point that is "bad" that this blog has pointed out is bullish for the markets

1) Multi-decade consumer sentiment low -- bullish (1980 was a TERRIBLE time to be long, right?)

2) 73% of Americans bearish on the economy -- bullish (since when are Americans expert economists?)

3) Retail put/call ratio at 2003 levels -- bullish

Wake up and learn the markets. Futures up.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:28 | 1561224 sbenard
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Oh Bubbles, I'm sooo glad you're here. Thank you for the perennial Pollyanna Party!

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:36 | 1561232 dwdollar
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Wait a second professor.  The S&P has never recovered from it's 2000 highs (adjusted for inflation) thanks to you and Greedspan's money printing.  Is this trend going to change in the next 10 years?  I doubt it.  We all know you will unleash your 'self-fulfilling prophecy' soon with QE3.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:43 | 1561263 SheepDog-One
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Well Ben, I suppose as long as we can print and pump $27 trillion dollars like we did in 09, then I guess we can have a polyanna replay!

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:53 | 1561293 fuu
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You got some on your beard.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:20 | 1561206 sbenard
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Empire ignored. News is irrelevant in this mirage world!

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:21 | 1561208 Durgesh Sakhardande
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Foreign investors not investing in US Debt highlights the downgrade


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Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:23 | 1561211 buzzsaw99
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Bottom line: it is impossible to find a punctual worker who knows what they are doing in the New York area...


heh heh They don't pay nearly enough for anyone decent to put up with their shit. If they're so smart and talented they should be able to run the damn company all by themselves (with a little help from slave wage third world countries). Rally on.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:26 | 1561221 SheepDog-One
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'We cant find anyone with basic skills anymore'....OH but the country is recovering just fine! As long as youre a multi gajillionaire friend of the super elite with access to the ZIRP window.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:22 | 1561212 Irish66
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I feel like the crows are gonna fall from the sky any second.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:24 | 1561218 SheepDog-One
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Futures spiked way UP on confirmation its all burning to the ground....fasten your seatbelts this ride is about to get real stupid.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:32 | 1561238 Durgesh Sakhardande
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wake up guys 9 out of 10 ipos cancelled do you guys think its worth just one google deal... 

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:35 | 1561247 TradingJoe
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We'll see S&P printing below 1000 this week! The time for Bad news is "good news" isn't here yet! This is Selling into "strength", IMHO!

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:45 | 1561274 SheepDog-One
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Bring it on! I want to see it! No sign of it yet, I guess the plan is 1 day before Jackson hole, S&P tanke 120 points, gives Bernanke excuse for QE3, then its all recovered plus some the next day? 

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:39 | 1561255 Aductor
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Since that was dollar negative, it is rally time. Also, it drowns in the GOOG-Motorola deal.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:44 | 1561270 oogs66
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after last week's carnage, they all seem to be blaming down days on computers and good days on smart investors picking up value :D


Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:44 | 1561272 Coast Watcher
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The Empire INdex is non-news at the NYT, which buried the Reuters story about it way down its website. (Can't be bothered to write its own story about it, I guess.) The Google news is top of the page, though.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:45 | 1561275 Boilermaker
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And, right on cue, the market shoot up for no damn reason whatsoever.  Time to take out those stop loss orders and force a short squeeze.


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  • Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:49 | 1561282 topcallingtroll
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    Goldilocks is back, at least for a short visit. Havent you heard?

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:03 | 1561333 Boilermaker
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    And, just to make it all the more apeshit, REITs and banks are completely retracing the entire loss just as fast as it can be bid up...STRAIGHT up.  Literally, no stop bidding up.

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:46 | 1561277 topcallingtroll
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    I want to buy gold. Therefor we are at an intermediate top.

    I am scared and want to sell my ewz now that i am approximately break even. Therefore I should keep it. But I is scared.

    I still say go long for now boys and girls, but who listens to an anonymous troll anyway?

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:46 | 1561278 espirit
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    Get the DX to print sub 72, and it's "game over" bitchez.

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:48 | 1561280 SheepDog-One
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    WOOT! Yea DOW up near +150! A phone company merged with another....WE'RE SAVED! 

    Still got to have some trouble here for QE3 Jackson Hole though, I guess a little bit of red markets maybe DOW down -10 for a half hour should be reason enough, in this totaly insane world.

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:50 | 1561283 Pinktip
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    Agreed NedZep........Dollar drop, nothing more.  It's 95% of the moves.


    look at the USD vs DOW

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:52 | 1561289 Dick Darlington
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    And surprisingly equities are celebrating the ongoing recession. Celebration bitchez!

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:54 | 1561297 banksterhater
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    SPY options expiration- they're rigging it for max pain, according to yahoo board.

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 09:57 | 1561306 marcusfenix
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    another day...another clear indicator the economy is contracting...another full on retard rally on wall least, for the moment.

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:00 | 1561311 Temporalist
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    More bad news to be ignored:

    Aug. NAHB home builder index stays at 15

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:07 | 1561348 Mrs Kensington
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    At the most they're going to do some kind of mini 'Twist' at Jackson Hole, perhaps MBS purchases.  The 3 anti-Ben dissenters are code for no more QE.  September 30th sees a new arm wrestle between Reps and Dems on the debt ceiling, and to be doing that in the wake of a big profligate QE3 stunt would give the Republicans enormous political advantage.  Also - Wall Street is sensing Republican strength (and more specifically Obama weakness) and moving towards a whole new faustian pact with the austerity regime which looks like its measuring up the curtains for Washington in 2012.



    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:30 | 1561417 overmedicatedun...
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    sheep agree with you 90% of time..I was just pointing out a reality about the human circus. Bachman is not my candidate however she would be a great improvement to our current undocumented alien.

    Her stand on homosexuals seems to cause concern ..when the expanding wars and the Fed are so much more important and get little me that reeks of agenda here.

    If she would cut the fed gov why should i concern myself with this strawman social issue?? why should you?

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:39 | 1561447 SheepDog-One
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    Right, but no way do I agree this Zionist lackey Bachman would cut anything except our own throats in favor of her own allegiances.

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:42 | 1561461 Temporalist
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    She won't cut shit.  She full well knows lying gets you into the White House and there is no commandment by Yahweh about lying.  Do you honestly think after working as an IRS laywer she is going to work out a way to let people keep more of their money instead of give it to the govt?

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:00 | 1561513 overmedicatedun...
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    Do I honestly think any pol is going to cut the fed guv?? sadly can't ..

    the EE or Elite or NWO has captured most.. but one can have hope and change can't one??  a little truth these days is too much for our country to accept.. so more big gov more wars more elite wealth more DHS.

    and the days go by and the water runs deep, this is not my house that is not my wife..

    Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:01 | 1561526 deez nutz
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    Finding workers who are punctual and reliable received the second highest difficulty rating, followed by the task of finding workers with good interpersonal skills; these results, too, mirrored those from the earlier survey.

    take the credit cards away.  please.


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