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Is The End Nigh: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

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You know its bad when... two of the largest and best-known 'familia' in Europe and the US come together. As the FT reports, The Rockefellers and The Rothschilds are uniting under a common group as Rothschild Investment Trust and Rockefeller Financial Services become one. The patriarchs (David Rockefeller 96, and Lord Rothschild 76) have been 'connected' for five decades. Between the Rothschild's 'sprawling' multi-century banking empire across Europe and the Rockefeller's roots in 1882 Oil-money, we can only imagine the Illuminati, Freemasons, Templars, and Central Bankers of the world are quaking in their boots at this new global force for change - The Rothsellers or is it The Rockchilds. What next? It seems only Soros is left to complete the holy trinity...

 


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Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Oh swell... more gay marriages...

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment SheepRevolution
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Easier to target one than two..

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Pinto Currency
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The twin towers are replaced by a single tower.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Add Soros and you've got your third 6!

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Pinto Currency
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Soros is merely a messenger boy.

After JP Morgan died he was found to have been a front for Rothschild money with little personal wealth. Soros, who is rapidly morphing into a raisin, will likely be found to have been the same.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Like everything else, now it all starts to come out in the open. nice. At least we know that the NWO shit-storm is round the corner now.

Can we do something about it. Heck yeah!!!

Do we want to? Heck yeah!

Will we?

Un-likely. The Rottweiler Olympics will be full of adoring sheep, massive doese of sub-liminal programming will happen and come that fascinating date of August 15th (when so many important things have happened in history).....

We'll see. But....wow!

Game on....

ori

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Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Colombian Gringo
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Soros is the butt boy, the product of their unholy union.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Badabing
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The Rockefellers and The Rothschilds are uniting under a common group.

Actually this is a good thing for the one world economy. The bigger the better, the Rose Shield/red shield/Rothschilds have been assisting economies around the world for centuries and have helped many governments in the last two world wars there benevolent overlooking  will be reinforced with the help of the Rockefellers bravo, brilliant my hat tip to you sirs.   

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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Nice, the Venetian Black, builderburg group now have a tax ID

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment BigJim
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 we can only imagine the Illuminati, Freemasons, Templars, and Central Bankers of the world are quaking in their boots at this new global force for change

What? I thought the Rockchilds were the Illuminati, Freemasons, Templars, and Central Bankers.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Badabing
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LOL, in the style of MDB I zing thee.

sorry forgot the sarc for my 10:32 post

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment mkhs
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My only complaint is "holy trinity."  Shouldn't it be "un?"

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Bravo. You might want to lock down the handle Trillion Dollar Bonus before the unholy trinity has their way.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Tax ID?  See that b*tch Christine LeGarde at the IMF or whatever her name is.  No taxes on he salary that adds up to over $500K a year.   She was at U of Chicago and is an Obama pal. 

Rockefellers as in the JP Morgan CHASE (Manhattan) Rockefelers.

David is 96 and Rothchild is 76.  Hopefully they will meet their maker soon - aka Satan.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Yohimbo
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may your ass be plundered and enslaved by this unholy union

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:44 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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I yen 4 when we start living in really uninteresting times like when Jerry Ford pretended 2B in office.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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CONCLUSION

Society has been colonized by an alien financial cartel that subscribes to a satanic dogma.

Most of our political, cultural and economic leaders are colonial administrators, i.e. opportunists, dupes and traitors.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment john39
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so simple, and so obvious... but most too asleep to see what is right in front of their faces.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 17:50 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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Of course, and this is by design. There is this saying that the illuminati believe strutting in front of the uninitiated, spreading their symbols in full view of the masses, bring more power to these symbols and themselves.

There has been a clear agenda of corrupting modern culture with their occult meanings, and it can be seen everywhere. In movies, ads, videoclips, ceremonies from music awards to the olympics. If you haven't noticed it, don't worry, nor think that this is bullshit; as I said, the masses undergo a continual process of conditionning to become desensitized to their symbols.

As an antidote, you can study occult and esoteric iconography on your own. so that you become aware of its existence, its meanings and the way it is used. Then you can start tracking the occult in modern culture, reading the symbology as a book telling you where the illuminati are trying to bring us, and slowly develop an immunity to their unconscious manipulation.

If you want to get jumpstarted, I'd really recommend a site like Vigilant Citizen as a good starting point, as it will show you how to detect the occult memetic trojans hidden in our culture (but, as I said, do study the iconography by yourself and not from a single source).

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 18:05 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Yes, and as always in occultism, there are many layers of meanings and reasons why they do this:

  • Subconscious conditioning.
  • Degradation of the culture.
  • Psyops (i.e. gold closing at 666 so many times back in the day, to scare off Christian gold bugs.  Easy when the Rothschilds control the gold fix.)
  • Secret communication with other occultists to get the agenda to the lower levels without someone leaking a widely distributed policy statement.  If you want to track their plans for the upcoming epic alien hoax, watch Prometheus.
  • In some traditions, Satan (and vampires) can't enter your house unless you let them in.  The symbolism functions as the fine print which screws you. 
  • They believe that energy flows where attention goes.
  • They believe that the symbols themselves are living, like viruses in the collective unconsciousness.  Jungian archetypes with wills of their own and power to give.

It probably goes even deeper.  I think the highest ranking Illuminati know that they are part of a worldwide emergent hive-mind called Lucifer, whose neurotransmitters are money, bullets, ritual pedophilia, legal documents, smoky backroom deals, etc.  Whenever one evil deed inspires another, this is one of Lucifer's synapses firing.  Nothing truly supernatural about it.  However, the Illuminati can still use the occult symbolism to communicate directly with Lucifer, discern his will, and gain power.  Works best if the symbolism is put out into the world, where it can interact with the collective unconscious which Lucifer has secretly assimilated into his own parasitic overmind.  Call it LuciferCitizenism.  Everyone must believe that evil is good and good is evil.  Carefully cultivated planetwide ignorance and Stockholm Syndrome will be eternal.  What do you think?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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I love the way you express it. I couldn't have put it so eloquently, but it resonates with what I understand of it.

As we say in French, "Concise speech comes readily to he who conceives clearly".

I'll do my best to integrate the locution LuciferianCitizenism in my everyday vocabulary. It's definitely a more useful concept than that american/chinese citizenism one which akak and ananonymous constantly fight about.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Thanks.  And thanks for spreading awareness of the occult agenda.  It is so monstrous that the mind shuts down in response.  This is what they want.  See Blotto below.

Another way to understand the Luciferian meta-mind is through the occult principle of "As above, so below". 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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And the more rarely voiced yet more important second part of that same principle, "As below, so above".

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 22:55 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Aye. You grok it!

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Ten Top Aims:

1. A One World Government-New World Order with a unified church and monetary system under their direction. Not many people are aware that the One World Government began setting up its "church" in the 1920's/ 1930's, for they realized the need for a religious belief inherent in mankind to have an outlet and, therefore, set up a "church" body to channel that belief in the direction they desired.

2. The utter destruction of all national identity and national pride.

3. The destruction of religion and more especially the Christian religion, with the one exception, their own creation mentioned above.

4. Control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Brzezinski call "technotronics" which would create human-like robots and a system of terror beside which Felix Dzerzinski's Red Terror will look like children at play.

5. An end to all industrialization and the production of nuclear generated electric power in what they call "the post-industrial zero-growth society." Exempted are the computer and service industries. United States industries that remain will be exported to countries such as Mexico where abundant slave labour is available. Unemployables in the wake of industrial destruction will either become opium-heroin and or cocaine addicts, or become statistics in the elimination process we know today as Global 2000.

6. Legalization of drugs and pornography.

7. Depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. It is interesting to note that Pol Pot's genocidal plans were drawn up here in the United States by one of the Club of Rome's research foundations. It is also interesting that the Committee is presently seeking to reinstate the Pol Pot butchers in Cambodia.

8. Suppression of all scientific development except for those deemed beneficial by the Committee. Especially targeted is nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Particularly hated are the fusion experiments presently being scorned and ridiculed by the Committee and its jackals of the press. Development of the fusion torch would blow the Committee's conception of "limited natural resources" right out of the window. A fusion torch properly used could create unlimited untapped natural resources from the most ordinary substances. Fusion torch uses are legion and would benefit mankind in a manner which is as yet not even remotely comprehended by the public.

9. Cause by means of limited wars in the advanced countries, and by means of starvation and diseases in Third World countries, the death of 3 billion people by the year 2000, people they call "useless eaters." The Committee of 300 commissioned Cyrus Vance to write a paper on this subject of how best to bring about such genocide. The paper was produced under the title the "Global 2000 Report" and was accepted and approved for action by President Carter, for and on behalf of the U.S. Government, and accepted by Edwin Muskie, then Secretary of State. Under the terms of the Global 2000 Report, the population of the United States is to be reduced by 100 million by the year 2050.

10. To weaken the moral fibre of the nation and to demoralize workers in the labour class by creating mass unemployment. As jobs dwindle due to the post industrial zero growth policies introduced by the Club of Rome, demoralized and discouraged workers will resort to alcohol and drugs. The youth of the land will be encouraged by means of rock music and drugs to rebel against the status quo, thus undermining and eventually destroying the family unit. In this regard The Committee of 300 commissioned Tavistock Institute to prepare a blueprint as to how this could be achieved. Tavistock directed Stanford Research to undertake the work under the direction of Professor Willis Harmon. This work later became known as "The Aquarian Conspiracy."

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment SonOfSoros
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Pretty sure they had a term for these people. It starts with the letter H. Hippies?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 19:38 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Note to noobs:  The psyops trolls are out in full force on this thread.  For example, SonOfSoros here is trying to distract the discussion onto hippies, because everyone knows they have been wrong about absolutely everything and therefore they are way more dangerous than the Satanic cabal that secretly rules the world <\sarc>.  Death and Gravity distracted most of the rest of this page going after Truthers, because in times of universal deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.  Consider these the extra efforts of these trolls as indicators that this whole thread makes them very uncomfortable.  Scroll past them and learn about the inner workings of the Cabal.

Let me tell you something about hippies (not to be confused with the PC-left useful idiots who Soros is so fond of).  Satan has been scared shitless of hippies ever since one of them monkeywrenched his evil plans a couple thousand years ago.  The government is scared shitless of them.  Learn why.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment SonOfSoros
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This world is full of retards who don't want to work and just think of crap to justify their laziness. Your parents must be proud.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 19:05 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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dup.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment goldcoastgirl
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Blotto,

This is all been happening by design.  What is the name of the religious organization they have founded....or have they taken over an existing church?

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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GCG...

'Blotto,

This is all been happening by design.  What is the name of the religious organization they have founded....or have they taken over an existing church?'

In one word - 'satanism'. They are luciferian sun worshippers... as above so below.

Satanism has no start date - it was here way before any of the big 3.

Every institution, church, etc..has been infiltrated. This is a MASSIVE juggernaut of a force we are dealing with.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment goldcoastgirl
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The kids understand the luciferian message.  It is ALL OVER hip hop music--evil is showing its face everywhere.  Satanism has come out of the closet.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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There is a difference between luciferianism and satanism, Luciferianism is the one where corruption of doctrine and inversion of values is done treacherously, using subtle errors in reasoning and rhethoric to present Lucifer as the true light; satanism is is the one where you know that you're actually worshiping Satan, corruptor of all things.

I believe that what you mention in hip hop music is not directly satanism per say, but rather simply corrupted by it - it is nihilism/atheism losing track of all values and ending up with the worship of material existence as a substitute for god. Those "values" are very symbiotic with reckless capitalism.

For those who have a spiritual slant, there will be the one-world religion to control them. That is because spirituality can not be left to its own devices, as ascension is fundamentally healing and, as such, diametrically opposes the corruption of satan. Then the one-world religion will be luciferianism, in order to corrupt those with an authentic intent to follow light, with only few at the top and a some that studied it enough knowing that at the root of it lies satanism. One good exemple of such hidden satanism might be B'nai Brith, which many often suggest will be used as the memetic attack vector.

That is because it has unifying doctrine of recognizing all prophets, with apparently well-meaning messages of love and non-violence. However, it also has distorted values, such as its prohibition of weapons. as if a sovereign entity, like a human being, did not have a legitimate right to defensive measures. The worst of its corruption is the fact that after recognizing all prophets (as Krishnamurti said, "You yourself are the teacher and the pupil; you are the Master; you are the guru; you are the leader; you are everything.") it is headed by an official master who is an absolute interpret and spokesperson of god, feudally naming its successor, so far only from its own bloodline, but with the obvious potential of simply selecting from the insider gang at the top of the pyramid.

So there you have it; a nicely designed twin control system for atheists and theists, resting in nihilistic materialism and luciferianism. Satanism itself will probably stay in the closet.

However, when you see how the exposition of Luciferianism has been intensifying over the last few years (with Lady Gaga as the Queen of spokespersons, the Whore of Babylon), you know that we are getting close. She has nearly exposed the entire luciferian manifesto already and many have heard that 2012/2013 was planned to be the year where satanists would expose the so-called True Doctrine of Lucifer (who nobody yet knows what it is exactly, although some guesswork can point in the general direction).

I expect we'll be seeing what it is sooner than anyone would like.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Ludwig Van
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re. *Future History* by Ken Powers --

The book explores every remaining unfulfilled Bible prophecy in an evidentiary order. The writer is hardly dogmatic, but talented and faithful to the intent. Nine hundred pages: A most thorough treatment. Fascinating read. I couldn't put it down -- twice.

 

http://www.futuretruth.net/

 

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Wed, 05/30/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Makes sense relative to this article about hip-op labels that were taken over by shadowy suits who owned private prisons and wanted to keep them full, while keeping the middle class supporting the police state.  This is how hip-hop turned into Gangsta Rap.

"The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation"
Posted at http://www.hiphopisread.com/

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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Sounds like they're building a world so phucked-up they deserve it.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment tamboo
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Do they pass around a big orthodox hat or is it just a yammulke?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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If you can find an out of print book: "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow", Constance Cumby Harvest House. Read it! It is an expose on the New Age Movement. The back one third is bibliography. She did her work well! Inside she parallels New Age Thinking and published remarks along side pre war nazi published thought.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12974560/Hidden-Dangers-of-the-RainbowConstance-Cumby

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment lemonobrien
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christians are sun worshippers, that is why they take sunday off; jews worship saturn, and take saturday off; islamist take friday off and worship jupiter.

 

i'm a daoist and think most western religions are full of shit.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:36 | Link to Comment deus x machina
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bravo Blotto, your essay is crystal clear.  The truth is very ugly...how can these people fool 8 billion people of the world?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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bravo Blotto, your essay is crystal clear.  The truth is very ugly...how can these people fool 8 billion people of the world?

Deus...

I think because it is so UNFATHOMABLE - so unreal - is what gives it its disguise.

The story is so make-believe - its easy to dupe a whole WORLD of people... thats what makes it so brilliant on 'their' part.

 

 

 

Marshall McLuhan - the Medium is the Message

"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity."

 

 

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Thanks Blotto, keep up the good fight.  Once enough people know the truth, there will be a "hundredth monkey threshhold" and the sheeple will get a serious reality twist.  Then, hopefully, they will break out the torches and pitchforks.  In the meantime, it's like playing Call of Cthulhu and losing sanity points just by getting closer to the truth.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Robot Traders Mom
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I'm cool with porn and drugs-I'm a human being and can make my own choices.

 

I don't know what you mean about depopulation of large cities??? The elites are trying to move everyone into larger cities, because they are easier to control.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment EndTheMedia
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Judging from your profile picture and affinity for porn and drugs I am assuming you are the guy whos face was eaten off in florida.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Freddie
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I am as libertarian as anyone but porn exploits women and children.  It is not a good thing.  Just like women and children sold into sex slavery is incredibly evil.

Drugs end up not being a good thing either because ruthless people get very rich in the business.  Many of them founded "great" institutions in the US and UK dealing opium to the Chinese.  Not that creating a huge police state bureaucracy to fight the ''war on drugs" is much better. 

Ideally - I would almost like to see drugs and porn so cheap that there was no money in it.  I think people who want to take drugs should be able to take as many as possible as quickly as possible.  I mean they should be able to shoot up vats of heroin in one day.  Maybe the thought dying on that day might change their minds.  I can see why people want to escape the prison planet reality.  We are all just slightly better than North Korea anymore.  The same propaganda is spewed by all the TV networks and Hollywood to control the sheep.

As long as I don't have to pay for it.   

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:07 | Link to Comment aerojet
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Such utter nonsense.  If any of this were even remotely true, then the one-worlders would be further from their goals than ever before in history!  I just can't figure what basement dwellers cook up this utter crap day in and day out. 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:16 | Link to Comment SonOfSoros
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Hippies my friend, hippies. The bane of modern society.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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See my post above 2475956

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 19:07 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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I agree.   This  "I've studied history and have connected the dots to a unified theory of all that's wrong with the world today" BS here is getting over the top with another ie., 'what happened during Hitler set the stage 4 what's happening today', blah, blah, blah, delusions.   Gimme a phuckin' break already with this arm chair 20-20 hindsight bullshit being applied to today's situation.   What's happening today is a direct result of wealthier human beings as always being assholes towards other less fortunate human beings, period.   That's all.   That's it.   There's nothing else 2 know.   Proceed accordingly knowing as such.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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If history is a series of accidents, then why is it all pretty much consistent with the plan laid out by Albert Pike in 1871? 

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pike.htm

The whole world is a stage.  We are currently being herded towards the third world war he described- a war which will be so traumatic that it will result in "the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer".  But Armageddon will not happen during this window.  That can is being kicked, trust me.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment 10mm
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Satan and his minions are always on the prowl.This NWO will be addressed by none other than Satan himself.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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So lemme get this straight.  They're trying 2 destroy the earth so they get richer?  I don't know man.  It doesn't make cents.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment HK
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Right on Blotto.  For years, I'd read various articles about Bilderberg, NWO, etc., but for the most part, I chalked it up to conspiracy theories.  Last night, I stumbled upon this article and the section I highlighted below, post WWI Germany, made me realize that we're living through this same scenario, right now.  Same play, different time.  The dot com bubble, the real estate bubble, the Obamanation, all started to make sense.  We're all muppets on the stage of life for someone else's entertainment.  I also understand now why ZH readers who have taken the red pill may have to follow it up with heavy alcohol consumption.

http://explosivereports.com/

 

He then cites Hitler’s call for a “New Economic Order” and places it into the context of the Old Order of German nobility in conjunction with the battle-hardened Teutonic Knights:

“This “New Order” is in its entirety the old Prussian scheme (…), which ninety years before Hitler’s reign provided the blueprint for the creation of European economic unity under domination of a Prussian Germany. It also provided for subsequent expansion of this Prusso-Teutonic Europe through invasion of the markets of other continents, and establishment of “protectorates” throughout the world.”

The way this Prusso-Teutonic group went about its planned penetration of international markets, Winkler, with a keen sense of understatement, calls “A Most Unorthodox Financial Plan.” This plan had already been put into action by this band of robber-barons in the 1920’s, thus facilitating the Nazis in their rise to power. “For that group”, Winkler states, “the job in mind had to be done in five stages. (…):

1. The purpose of the first period, inflation, was to permit the looting of the entire German middle class. This was accomplished to the advantage of the Junker class which was able to make money by the tremendous rise in prices, due to scarcity of agricultural products; and also to the advantage of bankers and big industrialists speculating directly on inflation, like Stinnes, Thyssen, and Krupp. These men succeeded, during this period, in buying up tremendous quantities of industrial properties with borrowed money which they were able to repay easily after the currency was devaluated.

2. After October 11, 1924, the next step was to encourage the inflow of foreign money under the guise of long and short term credits. Without these fresh funds there would indeed have been nothing left to pick from German pockets. It was (…) essential, above all, to inspire confidence throughout the world regarding the mark, so that foreign credits would begin flowing in heavily.

3. During the years 1929-1930 the direction of this operation was reversed. (…) German financial and governmental circles, painting the country’s situation in darker and darker colors, artificially created a panic. This produced, in German and foreign financial circles, a “flight from the mark”(…) Finally, on July 13, 1931, under Bruening’s administration, the financial authorities of Germany took advantage of the climax of the panic they themselves had provoked, to have the government declare a moratorium on internal and external debt payments, and they instituted “control of exchange” on a permanent basis. This control of exchange (…) took Germany off the gold standard.

4. The introduction of control of exchange (…) represented complete seizure by the state – and by groups hiding behind the state- of all export and import business. (…) Heavy industry grew increasingly prosperous. Private business suffered and prices of commodities doubled. (…) This promoted psychological conditions favorable for the rearmament program, and prepared the way for the foreign conquest long anticipated by the Prusso-Teutonics.

5. Properly speaking, conquest- and the attempt at economic domination of world markets which it implies- may me considered the fifth phase of the same program.

One has to wear blinders the size of grapefruits not to see the same agenda unfolding before our very eyes today.

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 19:03 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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I hate 2 break it to you people but none of U are smart enough to figure not even a 1/16th of this out so I wouldn't rely on your limited brains 2 get U through it.     If U think about all this Satan and Luciferian stuff and if U believe a grand wizard of evil exists, do U honestly think you're gonna outsmart this SOB because U 'figured out' some supposed grand conspiracy?     You're deluding yourselves if U think so just like you're deluded you know 'what he and his minions next move is gonna be'. 

But I understand that's not the popcorn movie U all believe you're watching.   The self-congratulatory 'By jove, you've really got it all figured out' BS going back and forth here is quite honestly getting 2 nauseating 4 this cat to swallow.   It's just getting a touch 2 tin-foil and comic-conish 4 my tastes.   Anyway, nuff of this rant.   I'm off 2 telling bad jokes & as it were, reality.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 23:02 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Here's a simple strategy that doesn't require intelligence to work:

Starve the Beast.

This means don't use his financial system, run on his hamster wheel, fight his wars, support centralized power, play into his divisions, or lash out because of your own trauma.  Be excellent to each other.  Remember that we are all part of the One- this is the biggest secret they ever squashed.  Create a moral ecosystem which he can't draw energy from.  These things are difficult put possible, and they stop the propagation of the contagious evil which becomes Lucifer's mind.

Another strategy is to burn down the entire paper system.  There is a core of super-connected companies and institutions which are the framework of Lucifer's frontal lobe:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capital...

The Devil is not supernatural.  He can be lobotomized!  Like a cancer, he will regenerate from a single cell- he survived the collapse of Rome- but a thorough lobotomy should slow him down long enough for a few of us to get off this rock.  It will take Divine Chemotherapy to get rid of him permanently.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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I remember in the mid-90s, the Princeton fusion group announced a major breakthrough and shortly thereafter they were slapped down with a major funding cut.  The same group has just announced another major breakthough.  How can smart people be so stupid?  Better to keep quiet until they achieve breakeven, then sell the plans to the Chinese.  America will never benefit from this tech as long as the Cabal is in power.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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double post.

Sorry, im baked.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:19 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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I'm so fried I'm trying to read this blog and watch, "Up in Smoke" too.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment knukles
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Another Conspiracy "Theory" Bites the Dust

 

Well, actually 3 more:

1. Tom Cruise is Gay
2. John Travilta is Gayer than Tom Cruise
3. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers, etc.

Your Hat Trick of Zen for the Day.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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all we need now is an alien handing out ameros at roswell and the tale is complete....

 

only one question remains..when is the IPO ?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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If reptilians R running the world now before them it must've been just a bunch of mammalian assholes.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Mergers are almost never “mergers” they are most always takeovers.

Rothschild is just reabsorbing an old spin-off.

“The Rothschild House, through their Warburg-Schiff connection, financed Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Empire, Edward Harriman (railroads) and Andrew Carnegie (steel). These American business magnates would buy and control politicians. To facilitate the progress of “their American operations,” and the re-establishment of a central bank the Rothschilds sent one of their top agents, Paul Moritz Warburg, to New York in 1902 to take charge of their assault. Along with Jacob Schiff, the Rothschild-owned head of Kuhn, Loeb and Company, Warburg managed to create the banking crisis which led to the great cash-coup – the privately-owned Federal Reserve System, the ultimate American slave master”

http://www.spingola.com/before_rockefeller.htm

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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It's only the Oppenheimers that you've left out from naming all the owners of "The Square Mile"...

 

If you're into loooong movies, here's one at least as much interesting as LOTR:

"Ring Of Power" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwnWni9HLEY

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:45 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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There's a pattern developing here of the rich getting richer and the poor getting soroser.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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True. He was found to be barely worth 10Mil$; the assumption at the times was he was a billionaire, but Red Shield actually owned his operation.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment yudd
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Wasnt that Bernard Baruch

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:31 | Link to Comment oddjob
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Soros is soulless, a lapdog, a mutt stooge and Yes man.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Soros got his start as a sticky-fingered teenager who narced out his fellow Jews to the Nazis and helped to confiscate their shit as they were hauled off to the gas chambers.  He said he felt "somehow above them" and as for the fate of his victims, he said he felt "nothing... only feelings of power".  The Rothschilds knew Soros was someone they could trust.

From http://www.kyleanneshiver.com/2011/02/18/george-soros-nazi-obsessed/:

Yet, even knowing all these gruesome details after the war, George Soros still described that year of the Hungarian Holocaust, during which his own hands had delivered “deportation” notices and confiscated Jewish properties, as “the most exciting time of my life.” Soros also told his biographer that for his family, the worst suffering had been their inability to obtain their preferred Titleist tennis balls. Concealing his Jewishness from the Nazis with forged identity papers? Why, that was “exciting,” a year of facing “danger, yet “getting the better of it,” of “being in command of the situation,” “maneuvering successfully” and feeling “inviolate.” As George added, “what more could you ask for” at age fourteen?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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I gotta go with the Sauds for the 3rd 6. Then you will have representation of all the 3 "faiths".

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment john39
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the house of saud are cryptos.  every once in awhile a saudi journalists dares to point this out, and is promptly beheaded.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment peekcrackers
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 You are a den of vipers and thieves ..!

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Soro's is partnering with Paul McCartney on a new album...I dont think he has the time.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,

One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment yudd
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that one ring is the sphincter

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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yudd, I wonder if you know how close you are to the truth of all things with that statement...

ori

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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One bank to rule them all, One bank to find them,

One bank to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

 

 

there, fixed it for you

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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I say we take off and nuke it from orbit.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment geoffb
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"It's the only way to be sure."  I +1'd you for the old Aliens reference.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:46 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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Got your map to Mount Doom?

I'm ready if you are.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment A_MacLaren
Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Milestones
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Where are the Rag Heads and their box cutters when ya need them??         Milestones

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Milestones
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Where are the Rag Heads and their box cutters when ya need them??         Milestones

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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Target, with what? The assorted ranting nutters of the internet can do nothign more than spew abuse (as seen in this thread), and peddle their silly anachronistic conspiracy fantasies. Lots of yapping, and nothing else.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment SonOfSoros
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That is what happens when people are poor, lazy and unwilling to work. They dream.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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Martin Luther had a dream

 

We seem to have more of a nightmare

 

They would prefer we accept their illusion

 

I'd rather face reality and act accordingly

 

Death to the New World Order!

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment SonOfSoros
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I didn't know illusions existed in reality. Maybe it is just you.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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My reality is no longer your illusion - we know who you are and where you live and we are going to come and get you and fuck you up, big time.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment SonOfSoros
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Does Medicare not cover mental illnesses? 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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Well we are making progress.  Now that you've decided to check yourself in I'm affraid the answer is 'No' - it doesn't cover anything.  Rejection at the point of need.  The finest healthcare system on the planet.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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Likewise in line with expectations and experience - the conspiracy theorists are emotionally unstable, and quick to threaten violence.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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And trolls are drawn to mock and deride.  You are being paid to come here and post.  You are a propagandist.  Fuck off back to whatever dark hole you came from.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"Fuck off back to whatever dark hole you came from."

Says the guttermouth conspiracy aficionado hit-n-runner.

Sorry, but no.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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Then stay in the light and shrivel.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Pinto Currency
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v

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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Rotchilds and Rockefuckers= Rottenfuckers

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment CClarity
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Chockwilds

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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Cocksucker + Cocksucker = Cocksuckers

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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This union makes sense. You can't after all have TWO world gvernments running the show.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Actually, they merged many, many years ago --- you've perhaps once heard of all those marriages cementing the biz relationships between the Morgans and Rothschilds and Rockefellers, no doubt?

Also, there was that formation of an oil giant known as BP, some time back:  partly owned by the British gov't and partly owned by the Rockefeller family, the Rothschild family and the Mellon family.

Or did that slip your mind. . . .

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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Sandbags, dammit! Incoming conspiracy nutter deluge!

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment Paul Atreides
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This coming from someone willing to defend the governments official story of 911 with over 40 comments on a single thread...you are quite transparent D&G.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:39 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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You're still lamenting that someone dares go opposite the flock of sheep?

 

What are you so scared about? Is is that thinking for oneself isn't really what the 'truthers' want, but just more members for their  backpatter brigade?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment BlueCollaredOne
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So now being a "truther" is considered normal and is sheeplike?

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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Look into the spheres of so-called 'truthers', and you will see a high degree of groupthink and herd behavior.

This, interestingly goes well with the typical cult behavior of projecting internal weaknesses and shortcomings on percieved enemies - it's not "us" that's doing the hivemind act, it's all the others, theyre sheep, dumb, brainwahsed, etc.

Cases in points are the Cults of $cientology (LR Hubbard Cult) and The Zeitgeist Project (Peter Joseph cult).

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment macfly
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Anyone who continues to use the term 'truther' as a negative, and insult against people who are looking for the truth sounds very like an employee of some Orwellian agency, especially when all you seem do is sit here and make negative comments about them. It appears that this must be your job.

Spend some time here, and if you are a free thinker, not a paid stooge, your mind will be changed. http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"Spend some time here, and if you are a free thinker, not a paid stooge, your mind will be changed. http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/"

Perfecctly proves my point. Spoken like a true zealot, perfectly echoing a cultist or born-again Christian who wants the rest of the world to convert, and where only the Agents of Satan would speak against the cause.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment easypoints
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People who agree on fundamentals, whether they are true or not, tend to flock together. Is that your point? If you disagree with a group's views, either leave it at that or post relevent information debunking their fundamentals. I find Scientology bat-shit-insane, but I don't go to their forums and stir the pot, because I haven't researched Scientology to the point where I can hold my own in any agument they present.

Being a contrarian to the contrarians requires superb evidence and a deep understanding of both sides of the argument. Your posts are wordy pot-stirring, at best, because I don't think you can hack it.

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"People who agree on fundamentals, whether they are true or not, tend to flock together. Is that your point?"

No, as a "flock" isn't a cult. Scientists tend to agree on the fundamentals of their respective disciplines, but their doesn't make them a cult.

What makes a cult is typically a high degree of percieved distance from the outside/"others", a high degree of hostility a/o skepticism towards outsiders and their methods or beliefs (or lack of same), and a typically high degree of delusion and/or use of grouthink a/o wishful thinking.

"Your posts are wordy pot-stirring, at best, because I don't think you can hack it."

Whatever. It seems to take very very little to stir the pot of the supposed truthers. Ask a question or express doubt (which most people would try to answer and counter honestly), but in truther circles, you are a paid stooge (or whatever) from the get-go.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment BigJim
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 No, as a "flock" isn't a cult. Scientists tend to agree on the fundamentals of their respective disciplines, but their doesn't make them a cult.

What makes a cult is typically a high degree of percieved distance from the outside/"others", a high degree of hostility a/o skepticism towards outsiders and their methods or beliefs (or lack of same), and a typically high degree of delusion and/or use of grouthink a/o wishful thinking.

Hmm. Sounds like AGW scientists to me.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment RallyRoundTheFamily
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+1 Beat me to the punch

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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Oh right, funny overlap there. Turthers don't believe climate science, either.

 

It's like, you know, the whole scientific world is conspiring against you guys! First, to make it look like the steel in the WTC couldn't take the load (because every fucking truther is naturally a structural engineer or equivalent from reading a few lines of yapping on some truther site or endlessly regurgitated trother posting), and next, that climate change is a communist NWO conspiracy!

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment RallyRoundTheFamily
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The overlap is the govt lies

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment geoffb
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I'm not sure that the closeness to the "others" is the essential aspect of cultists. I think true cultists tend to believe IN something real or imagined. My limited experience with truthers is that they simply DON'T believe the official story. Skeptics may carry similar emotional baggage, as do we all, but cultish behavior is clearly separate from say an actual cult like scientology because of the lack of belief.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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The problem (amongst others) with the 'truthers' is that they are making a lot of arm-waving about WHATS BEING HIDDEN and how many things that were wrong with the official story (again, second problem being that, as shown in this thread, and any other where some non-truther heretic such as myself DARE quyestion their message, how emotional and agressive they get), but when it comes to actually, squarely and concisely explaining what it WAS that happened that day, or how involved "the conspiracy" was (how was it done? how many were involved? why no whistleblowers?), and to what ends (new pearl harbour? mossad plot / the j00s diddit? SIlverstein collecting the insurance for the WTC? destruction of Wall street insider investgation files present in the WTC? etc. This is NEVER made clear.), there is not much commonality between the truthers, because the poorly-elaborated suspicions/fantasies are just that - wild and with no substantiation.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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Clearly what you're looing for is a sworn witness statement given under oath admisable in a court of law with corroborating evidence and witnesses prepared to come farward and testify.

Well, good news!  When we've rounded you all up, we're shipping you off to Guamtanamo for a bit of water sports - all of you.  I believe the current record is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed with 180 visits to The Board in one month period - I make that once every 4hrs for a month - nice.

You'll all be getting the same treatment and then after a few years in solitary, some, probably quite a lot actually, of random brutality, you'll be polished up, fed, given a hair cut, some false finger nails and teeth, and then allowed to make a confession and allowed to name as many co-conspirators as you like.

Thats when the show trials will begin.......

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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What do you believe? Or do you just lob shells at those you consider intellectually inferior. There's been no enlightenment here.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment BlueCollaredOne
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Allow me to retort. 

You can look into any group of people who share the same beliefs and observe "groupthink" and "herd" behavior.  It's chicken or the egg here.  Are the "truthers" all just regurgitating something that  a leader is telling them, and then following? Id say no, considering that their really is no leader among truthers.  I think that we are merely a group of people with common beliefs. 

I understand your idea or how a cult is used to place one's internal faults on another group.  Couldn't it then be argued that both the Democratic and Republican parties are cults?  Every 8 years its the other teams fault?  "The reason why I pay high taxes and cant make money is because of the Democrats" yells the right.  "The reason I can't make any money is because of the corporations." yells the left.  99% of the population believes in blaming the other group.  The "truther" group mostly sees through the false left right paradigm, placing them ahead of the curve IMO with regards to political understanding. 

Cults are groups that are tightly knit, and require the members to give all power to the leaders.  The truth movement is the complete opposite.  It is a group of people from all walks of life, urging everyone else to be leaders within their own communities.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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" understand your idea or how a cult is used to place one's internal faults on another group. Couldn't it then be argued that both the Democratic and Republican parties are cults?"

Indeed it could.

"The truth movement is the complete opposite. It is a group of people from all walks of life, urging everyone else to be leaders within their own communities."

Of all the 'truthers' I've come into contact with over the past decade, no-one are of leadership material. Most seem to be afflicted with various paranoid mental illnesses, however.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:31 | Link to Comment BlueCollaredOne
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"Of all the 'truthers' I've come into contact with over the past decade, no-one are of leadership material. Most seem to be afflicted with various paranoid mental illnesses, however."

How did you come into contact with these people?  Was it someone yelling on a corner with a cardboard sign saying that "the end is nigh"?  If so, well then of course you are going to judge everyone the same.  What about the scientists and engineers who speak out and say that it is not physically possible for the official story to be true? Ever listened to one of them?

You seem like a pretty smart guy, seeing as most people nowadays can't form sentences and all. Therefore so you should be able to understand that you can't always paint with such broad strokes.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:46 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"How did you come into contact with these people? Was it someone yelling on a corner with a cardboard sign saying that "the end is nigh"?"

 

On internet forums, of course.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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Truther

Birther

Conspiracy Theorist

Finely crafted sound bites that deride, minimise and trivialise - these are fingerprints.

How about

Tyrant

Traitor

Treason

There's a qualitative difference isn't there? One set goes straight to the point the other set steers you away from it.

Face the damned issues and stop trivialising these genuine concerns. All it does is highlight your ignorance or your involvement. 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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Of all the 'truthers' I've come into contact with over the past decade, no-one are of leadership material. Most seem to be afflicted with various paranoid mental illnesses, however

 

where do you hang out that everyone has mental illnesses, that apparently only you are capable of detecting?

 

spoken to a couple phd's in physics who seemed to me to be of sound mind

energy defecit was their angle

simply not enuf energy in the fuel of two planes to implode three buildings

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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simply not enuf energy in the fuel of two planes to implode three buildings

 

simply not enuf energy in the fuel of two planes to implode three buildings

 

simply not enuf energy in the fuel of two planes to implode three buildings

 

 

three buildings

two planes

c'mon

and you dont question the official story?at all?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"and you dont question the official story?at all?"

I did actually. I was quite suspicious of the official story from the time the more 'coherent' inquiry and skepticism started appearing on the 'net a few months after 9/11. Was also quite impressed with the various videos and multimedia presentations etc. about the supposed inconsistencies of the 'official story'.

After a few years, however, when I dug (occasionally) into the various, specific claims by the truthers, and counter explanations offered by "the stooges" (thats somethign that was simmering for a while, too before I realized it - how hostile the 'truthers' were to people who didn't go with their storytelling), there were however more and more pieces of the 'truther puzzle' that just dropped out, and turned out to be either inconsistent, or plain false; made up.

It didn't take many occurrences of cases where 'supposed truthers were caught red-handed making up 'facts', distorting events ot fit the store, and selectively cut and edit video footage and photographic evidence, before i called bullshit. And I still call bullshit.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment WorkingClassHero
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look up videos of verniage demolition and take note of the floor they remove to inititate collapse.  Middle floor every single time.  You can't collapse an entire building by removing a floor that is 80% of the way up the tower, and especiually not twice in the same day.  This would violate the law of conservation of momentum which is a concrete physical law that has been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.  I won't even address the collapse of building 7 because if you can't watch that footage and immediate know its a controlled demo then you are just plain stupid and there is no point in wasting time talking to you.  

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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" I won't even address the collapse of building 7 because if you can't watch that footage and immediate know its a controlled demo"

Revealed knowledge, right? As opposed to reasoned argument from people with experience in the matter....

Again, which footage? The full footage, or the 'truther' altered version where the five seconds showing a progressive collapse of the South end of the bulding (which was halfway caved in due to the thousands of tonnes of rubble from the WTC1+2?
 
"then you are just plain stupid and there is no point in wasting time talking to you."

Translated: I'm scared to have my truther-induced memes challenged and will bail from the debate at any chance I can get.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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While you're on a roll, asshole... Tell us how that "plane" crashed into the Pentagon.

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"While you're on a roll, asshole..."

People of sub-par intellect tend to have problems with emotional outbursts during discussions such as these.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment WorkingClassHero
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I would love to have my truther memes challenged buddy. Hasn't happened yet unfortunately.  Did you watch videos of Verinage Demolitions?  Did you notice they always remove the middle floor of the building? The reason is because any other floor would result in an incomplete collapse.  The fact that floors 75%-85% of the way up were "removed" yet resulted in complete structural collapses violates the law of conservation of momentum absent an additional source of energy (incendiaries, explosives etc).  Its really that simple. I have a mechanical engineering degree but you dont need one to understand what happened. If you personally dont understand, it just means you have average or below average intelligence.  Not a big deal, I'm sure there are other things you're good at.  Like spamming internet message boards that challenge official government explanations of events.  You're great at that. 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"I would love to have my truther memes challenged buddy. Hasn't happened yet unfortunately."

No, memes tend to act in ways such that they don't allow themselves to be overridden.

"yet resulted in complete structural collapses violates the law of conservation of momentum"

Oh, I thought you weren't gonna spend time debating us dummies about that.

Have you read up on why the jabber about "violating the laws of physics" that truthers occasionally make are complete bunk?

"I have a mechanical engineering degree but you dont need one to understand what happened."

Then why keep bringing it up?

" If you personally dont understand, it just means you have average or below average intelligence."

Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of something.

"Not a big deal, I'm sure there are other things you're good at. Like spamming internet message boards that challenge official government explanations of events. You're great at that."

Grow some chest hairs sonny, and start debating like a man. This preschool bluster is so boring.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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You're on the mark, D&G. While I don't believe the "official story" of 9/11, I find "truthers" to be a real turn-off. What set me against them was their insistence four years ago that Ron Paul was a secret "truther" even though he denied it on several occasions. In those encounters I discovered that "truthers" are people who have developed a set of opinions independent of any demonstrable facts who claim that anyone who disagrees with them on any point whatsoever is an agent of the Mossad.

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment WorkingClassHero
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The proof of controlled demo has nothing to do with the amount of jet fuel present.  It's the fact that all 3 collapses violated the law of conservation of momentum.  I have a mechanical engineering degree but I'm not going to waste time explaining the physics of it all to random dummies on a message board.  Just trust someone who is very knowledgable on this that it's the law of conservation of momentum that proves the official story is a complete fabrication.  The amount of jet fuel present is totally inconsequential. 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"It's the fact that all 3 collapses violated the law of conservation of momentum. I have a mechanical engineering degree but I'm not going to waste time explaining the physics of it all to random dummies on a message board."

If you won't debate, then do everyone a favor by going away.

"The amount of jet fuel present is totally inconsequential."

Entertaining. Someone else mentioned that "my side" seems to change the story whenever it suits "us", and yet, what have we here. At one point, the amount of jet fuel, and the temperature at which it burns, matters. Later, it's doesn't.

Oh, and note how none of the truthers here manage to confront the argument presented (the blast furnace effect, plus the fact that steel progressively weakens with its temperature)? HOW ODD!

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment WorkingClassHero
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I'm not a "truther."  I'm an individual who seeks truth in all aspects of life.  I don't care what some conspiracy nutters on the internet are claiming happend that day, I'm just telling you that based on everything I learned in engineering school, those 3 collpases violate the law of conservation of momentum.  They also violate the law of common sense in regards to building 7, because all the edges of the roofline collapse in unison, meaning every single perimeter column failed at excatly the same time. But hey, maybe Issac Newton was wrong and you're right.  Werider shit has happened.  

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Killtruck
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You're completely correct on the Laws. You might also check out ae911truth.org (if you haven't already), as other engineers tend to agree with you and Sir Newton. 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"I'm just telling you that based on everything I learned in engineering school, those 3 collpases violate the law of conservation of momentum."

Nonsense.
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They also violate the law of common sense in regards to building 7, because all the edges of the roofline collapse in unison,"

No. You have been fooled by a 'truther' video specifically edited so that the south side of the buildign collapsing away before the rest of the building isn't shown.

I wouldn't allow myself to be exploited such.

Elaboration here (3 min video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI

"meaning every single perimeter column failed at excatly the same time. But hey, maybe Issac Newton was wrong and you're right. Werider shit has happened."  

You really shouldn't use such bluster when you're very clearly wrong.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment WorkingClassHero
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Just wasted 3 minutes of my life watching a WTC7 debunking video that doesn't even show the collapse.  Pathetic.  Why are you so reluctant to talk about Verinage demolition?  Do you understand why its ALWAYS the middle floor that is removed? 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Killtruck
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I confronted the argument. You never responded. Which has put me in quite a dither.

An object in motion will remain in motion until acted upon by an outside force. This is like 8th grade physics we're talking about. The point being that when one floor collapsed onto another floor, the transfer of energy takes both TIME and ENERGY, slowing the rate of collapse before it that floor can collapse onto another floor. You'll note that in none of the three collapses on 9/11 did a building fall at less than free-fall speed - meaning, for those science-challenged - that it was as if the building was falling without any floors or structural supprt underneath it.

...and they're right. Jet fuel burns off very quickly, making this "jet fuel melted the beams!" argument inconsequential. If you'd like, you can try melting a steel beam with a can of gasoline or kerosene. You'll see what they mean. I doubt you will though. Some beliefs just won't stand up to fact.

Where is your evidence for this mythical blast furnace effect that you keep blathering on about? For someone who is so adamant about facts, you have presented shockingly few.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 16:22 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"Where is your evidence for this mythical blast furnace effect that you keep blathering on about?"

What specific evidence would you need?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment RallyRoundTheFamily
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Still dont get it eh?

This is the most "popular" debunking point.

Fact - Steel weakens with high temperatures, OK but here is why it doesn't matter.

(Damn the engineer beat me to it) It is IMPROBABLE but POSSIBLE that every single perimeter column failed at exactly the same time.

In 2 different types of structures?  3 times ?  In the same day?  ok OK it is possible, but highly unlikely.

Even if this is how these buildings collapsed, there is enough "evidence" to convince me something "else" was going on this day.

This was the shittiest murder investigation ever.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"where do you hang out that everyone has mental illnesses, that apparently only you are capable of detecting?"

 

Read what I wrote and counter it honestly instead of these idiotic strawmen, and I might spend more than 10 seconds responding to you.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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Well you've lead a very sheltered life.

Almost everyone here is active against this tyranny and its going to come to a head at some point when the government which I'd rather call the Force of Occupation (FoO) decides its time to collapse the economy and turn their men and machines and technology and all their spite and anger and twisted evil on We The People.

We know whats going on, We know the score and We are either prepared or preparing for it.

Death to the New World Order!

 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"We know whats going on, We know the score and We are either prepared or preparing for it."

So, what exactly is going on? And whats the score, half-time?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment RallyRoundTheFamily
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Afghanistan $533,000,000,000 

Iraq    $804,000,000,000    

Libya  (boy that 1 makes me proud)

Syria

Yemen

Pakistan

Iran

I'm not sure I think its the 4th quarter.

How many countries do we have to bomb before a world war is declared?   

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Killtruck
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How do you eat an elepant? One bite at a time.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment narnia
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Do you really believe KSM is a security threat to the US? Anyone with any level of critical thinking understands the government does not want its story subject to cross examination.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Killtruck
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You're right, I should think for myself and not join the "backpatter brigade", so here's what I now believe. So let's just consider the New York incident for a moment...

19 cave-dwellers boarded commercial airliners with box cutters and in mid-air assaulted the cabins, taking control of all of the aircraft away from former military pilots trained to resist - without a single one of them even being quick eneough to trip the hijack transponder button.

Said hijackers then piloted these large aircraft into the sides of two buildings which were specifically designed to withstand the impacts of multiple aircraft when they were built. A fireball of exploding jet fuel resulted.

Jet fuel (or really any fluorocarbon fuel) burns under "ideal conditions" at around 1700-1800*F. Observing the large amounts of black smoke pouring from the sides of both buildings (denoting a lack of oxygen on the flame), these were not ideal conditions. Industrial grade steel used in skyscrapers begins to weaken at 2200-2300*F. The only possible explanation for the steel weakening under the temperature difference (as long as we're still using the popular folk-lore myth/story) is magic.

Magic again came into effect when the hijackers collapsed both buildings (minutes apart from one another) into their own footprints in a top-down collapse known as the "Pancake Theory" which is possible the worst science ever foisted upon the Laws of Physics. The buildings fell at the speed of gravity, encountering no resistance - which is in stark contradiction to everything else we know about the universe. When you're in a car accident, you don't plow straight through the other car while it vanishes into dust. When you drop an apple from a tree, it doesn't plow staight through the earth until it goes out the other side...it encounters resistance. Thus, the only explanation for this feat is - you guessed it - magic.

Later in the day, Building 7 collapsed into its own footprint at free-fall speed after falling victim to a few small office fires, making it the first steel-framed building in the world EVER to collapse solely from fire, as it was not struck by an aircraft. And this wasn't just any fire - this was fire burning bright with the power of copy paper and fire-proofed office furniture and ceiling tiles. It's a wonder that anyone steps foot in any buildings these days, as the risk is so great of this happening again. Magic probably keeps them safe though.

Let's also not forget that NONE of the blackboxes (painted blaze orange) from those aircraft were ever recovered, even though the boxes were designed to easily withstand the forces involved (and have been found under miles of ocean by transponder signal). Lucky for us, the paper and plastic passport of one of the hijackers survived the detritus and was found a block from the crash site. *whew!* Good thing we have magic, otherwise we never would have known whodunnit, or ever found that magic bullet that killed Kennedy on that stretcher!

This is just a quick synopsis (there's far more sinister magic at work in the details), but as you can see the real culprit here is magic, and it needs to be outlawed. Clearly the backpatter brigade needs to think about this situation logically, and if they do that, then they will see the fact that magic and magicians are the real terrorists here.

Thank you for bringing my lack of individual thought to the forefront. I feel better.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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"Jet fuel (or really any fluorocarbon fuel) burns under "ideal conditions" at around 1700-1800*F. Observing the large amounts of black smoke pouring from the sides of both buildings (denoting a lack of oxygen on the flame), these were not ideal conditions. Industrial grade steel used in skyscrapers begins to weaken at 2200-2300*F. The only possible explanation for the steel weakening under the temperature difference (as long as we're still using the popular folk-lore myth/story) is magic."

Briefly responding to a single point, which has been debunked very very many times before.

Structural steel doesnt need to be taken to its melting point to weaken - most of its tensile strength is gone by teh time its heated to 1500 C (not Fahrenheit).

Second, skyscraper w/ elevator shafts + plenty of fuel = Blast furnace effect, more than sufficient to weaken the buildings core.

 Third, black smoke can be produced from more than oxygen starvation. For example, the large amounts of office furniture etc. that you expect to find in an office tower.

 

Yes - it is magic - but only if you wish to not see the facts.

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