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Escalation: Syria Says Turkish Jet Shot Down Was Over Syrian Territorial Waters
The "Syrianna" story from this afternoon, which many were quick to label as merely a lot of diplomatic hot air and rhetoric, just turned uglier, after Syria not only did not officially apologize as Turkey PM Erdogan implied had happened previously for the shot down Turkish F-4 fighter jet, but instead turned the tables on Turkey, and gave itself an out for what is now a definitive military action. From Reuters:
The Syrian military said it shot down a Turkish military aircraft "over Syrian territorial waters" on Friday.
"Our air defences confronted a target that penetrated our air space over our territorial waters pre-afternoon on Friday and shot it down. It turned out to be a Turkish military plane," a statement by the military circulated on state media said.
The only question remains whether Syria's act was offensive or defensive. Naturally, its version is one of self-defense. Turkey obviously will claim it was in its right to be wherever the plane may be, and will say this was an act of provocation. Then NATO, read Hillary Clinton, will promptly step in, and make this a case in which Turkey was in its right and that Syria committed an act of aggression. From there, things will just escalate, and can potentially deteriorate to a far more troubling scale, because as we reminded earlier, Syria has recently become a major symbol for NATO vs the Russia-China axis:
Here is the rub: Turkey is a NATO member, and by definition the alliance will have to come to Turkey's aid if requested. Syria, however is not just any country as has been made quite clear over the past several months of UN impotence: it is a critical staging ground for both Russia (which has a very critical regional naval base in the city of Tartus) and China, and according to the Jerusalem Post, the three countries are in preparation to conduct the "largest ever" war game. As such Syria, already gripped by fierce local fighting, where just like in Egypt and Libya the presence of US-based flipflop on the ground can be smelt from across the Atlantic, is merely a symbol. The real implication is how far can little escalations push until finally the showdown begins, with NATO on one side and Russia and China on the other?
Ultimately, the key catalyst here may be something as simple as whether the pilot of the Turkish plane are alive or dead. BBC explains:
Given the breakdown in relations between the two countries over the Syrian conflict, this incident has the potential to provoke a serious crisis. When gunfire from Syrian forces crossed the Turkish border earlier this year, Ankara threatened a military response.
Much will depend on whether or not the Turkish pilots have survived. If not, public anger might push the government into some kind of punitive action against Syria.
Syria's response will also influence Turkey's reaction. A clear apology, and a statement that the shooting was unintentional, might be enough to assuage Turkish anger.
But then again, we do not know yet whether the aircraft were clearly in Turkish airspace or not. Initial Turkish reports that they came down eight miles from Syrian territorial waters suggests that they were, but Syria may claim otherwise.
At this point it is clear no apology will be forthcoming as Syria's official story is that Turkey had effectively committed an act of aggression against it. So it is up to the viability of the pilots. If dead, anyone who may have been shorting Brent into the weekend may have a nasty surprise come start of trading Monday.
Where the crash supposedly happened:
courtesy of @Thalion_1
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I think someone commented on previous Syria / Turkey post that NATO defence won't apply if the plane was shot down over a foreign country (Since they entered Syrian airspace without authorization)?
Not sure how that applies, will need to look it up.
The Bankster/Military Industrial Complex make their own rules
Don't bother with the research of treaties and international law. It makes no difference and has already been determined in any case.
You think a little thing like the truth of the location is going to spoil a good false flag?
Quite, but even if the action is justified and no direct action cannot begin this event has been added to the mind of the public that SYRIA was the first to make a move by shooting down a foreign plane. It is all part of the puzzle that will ease the public's mind some days in the future into accepting "Yes, maybe these are the real aggressors who deserve an ... 'intervention'".
7pm Lead story on Faux News is the perv from Penn st.............
NPR's lead story was the Philadelphia conviction of a Roman Catholic official for "endangering a child"
Somebody left Deep Throat in our VCR so I'd not seen the news tonight.
Betamax?
Maybe it's time for a carrier update.
I tried to look it up earlier on Stratfor ... but you now have to give them an email address and they'll mail it to you! The amount of useful information on the internet is getting smaller and smaller.....
Just in time for the weekend!!! What's weird... past news was saying the pilots are ok.
This Reuters article suggests Turkey + Syria are working together to find them.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/22/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE85D0IS20120622
"But Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's initial comments and subsequent statement on the downing of the F-4 jet were measured in tone. He said Turkish and Syrian forces were working together to search for the two missing crew of the aircraft.
"As a result of information obtained from the evaluation of our concerned institutions and from within the joint search and rescue operations with Syria, it is understood that our plane was brought down by Syria," Erdogan's office said in a statement."
FALSE FLAG
If the Syrians are publicly apologizing for it, how can it be a false flag?
Do you think the plane was a drone sent to get blown up, which is more like "suicide by cop" then false flag?
Or maybe the Syrians are confused, and admitted to blowing up the plane, even though they didn't fire on it?
Not confused. They have learned from Sadam Husseins mistake. Can you imagine what the world would be like today if sadaam said
The tourism industry in Iraq would be better than Vegas. Snark aside. The western media actually ran footage of the Iraq "super gun" for weeks after 9-11 and throughout the war.
I'm sure the peace prized one will not resort to violence to settle this. [/sarcasm]
Fish On Bitches!!!!
Not Hillary. She's been dying to start a war with someone, anyone, even before her negotiations to buy the opium from Myramar. That woman would rather fight than eat. I voted for her to be President because if anyone could bring about the collapse, that we have been so long waiting for, it would have been her. The question now is will we get the collapse before WWIII or after (if there is an after.)
Cant be Hitlery is PMsing.She should be well past that.
Bull fucking shit. The pilots bailed out halfway there after setting the plane on auto-pilot. The US needed to know where that piece of shit equipment was before it began sending in drones. Dumbass Syria shoots down a jet to nowhere because it could. What is with all these sand monkies over there?
no way--they needed dead bodies -poison gas was released to kill the pilots before they realized they were on a suicide mission -auto pilot took over for the short time that was left. Nato operation -the Turkish government was probabbly not informed until after the hit
Can any of you financial dudes write some derivatives on this? Here is the bet I want to take:
"The pilot of the Turkish F-4 was a female. The Syrians specifically targeted her, as her career in the military is forbidden by syrian custom. It is time for the west to unite and defend the rights of females to fly piloted military aircraft, because in less than 10 years there will not be any non-drone aircraft and women will have missed out on these opportunities because of a backwards nation like Syria. We are all Female Turkeys now!"
I am thinking 1.9823 E 12 leverage. And yes I will pay everyones back taxes with the proceeds.
Fuck you, capitalist pig. This deal is discriminatory against transgendered midget Turkish pilots.
Throw in a few state subsidized booster seats, fully charged hookah's and I think it could still work.
Why would you want to endanger perfectly good prostitutes? War is hell.
Can we summize that Putin & Bamster's meeting did not go well earlier in the week ...
Putin issues a big FU !
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene I, ca 1608
lol F-4 Phantoms and MiG-21's. Middle east arsenals remind me of the 70's. Im waiting to watch the T-55's and M60 pattons duel it out
Avia Me 109G against Spitfire XIV
In an unexpected development, France has just surrendered to Syria.
Thats some funny shit. I snortled my drink when I read it.
Hahaha!! Too funny! Best one yet.
ROLF
The second treaty is an application for aid from Syria.
The only response is too bomb the sight. That is exactly what turkey is going to do. Mark this post. I doubt it escalates past that point. Syrian air force is only a handful of MiG-29's and has no meaningful way of retaliating without bringing NATO in.
Let's be real, the pilots are dead. I mean, they've been in the water for over 11 hres...
And did you know that when Turkey penetrates Syria from behind, apparently they do not use Greece? Very interesting, I know.
http://www.rt.com/news/turkish-plane-erdogan-statement-543/
- The jet was unlikely to be carrying out a simple reconnaissance mission, but was probably a provocative probe to test the Syrian security initiative and ability to protect its borders, believes author and academic Colin S. Cavell. Being a NATO member, Turkey can count on the alliance's support if it comes under attack, he says.
https://twitter.com/#!/MahirZeynalov
- Turkey's ruling party deputy says if the Turkish fighter jet was downed by Syria, it is clearly a "declaration of war."
https://twitter.com/#!/barbarastarrcnn
- 3 Russian warship file paperwork to transit into Med next week maybe on their way to #Syria (source Pentagon)
Bullish... for WW3...
Turkish intelligence has always been very close with the Mossad and Shin Bet.
This could all go wrong of course and maybe Israel will do something foolish:
Israel Deploys Nuclear Weapons on German Submarines - SPIEGEL ONLINE
06/03/2012
Least shocking news story of the day...been known for years. And it does make certain that Israel will be around for quite a while...as long as at least one of those subs are at sea, there will be no nuclear attack on Israel.
http://www.wrmea.org/archives/373-washington-report-archives-2011-2015/n...
The third " engineered " oil shock is on the way
~~~<MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, BiCheZ>~~~
we are just pawns on the chess board of life
So after reviewing the course of events we may conclude that Turkey has exactly zero currency reserves at this moment.
The Turkish Armed Forces will cross over into Syria late next week. Assad will plead with the Russians to back him up. Could be a bang-up Fourth of July coming up.
Oh well, Assad had it coming. Every tinpot dictator and every wannabe dictator in the world has it coming. Are any of the current world leaders safe? he he he
It will be worth dying for to see more than a few of them bite the dust.
Had it coming? The guy is a fucking Dentist -totally harmless-thrust into power due to family obligations - A US/NATO?Zionist sponsored revolution carried on by the Al Quada division of the CIA- and he killls a couple thousand people suppressing a foreign sponsored rebellion? You really have a problem with that?
What did we do when the Brits encouraged the South to secede from the Union because the evil Rothschild dominated mercantilist Brits saw us as an economic threat? --We suppressed the rebellion by killing several hundred thousand southernors, looting, pillaging and raping as we did a scorched earth campaign that culminated in the burning of Atlanta-then enslaved the South, disenfranchising all whites, as the slaves took over all government -thus ensuring Jim Crow and other anti-black policies. Give me a break -go back and learn real history.
Savy?,
You totally missed my point you dunderhead of an ideologue.
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I reread your post. I believe I understand your point. Would you care to restate your point? Were Saddam and Ghadaffi rthe type of tin pot dictators you think we should overthrow? How about Iran? How about the crooked oligarchy that gives us worthless, powerless , corrupt puppets like Clinton, Bush and Obama?
You are on the right track, keep going. The list is long, there are no heroes. Think "Unforgiven".
We are culpable as well, for letting it get this far with the lines blurring between tinpot tyrants and elected officials.
I don't have to tell you what is coming in such a situation. (Or rather I did in my original post).
quit beating around the bush -get to the point and explain yourself - or aplologize for calling me a dunderhead of an ideologue.
Hopefully you will be one of the ones doing the dying, as per your original post
Poledancing like an unforgiven antihero, wow! Thirty million poledancers!
"Harmless dentist", huh? The guys father was a sonofabitch and so is he. The bastard targeted and killed my cousin over there a couple of months ago. He is a piece of shit that the civilized world will not miss.
I'm sorry about your cousin, but if he was a recruit for the Al Quada division of the CIA- he should have known of the risk. Al Quada is one of the most underpaid Divisions in the CIA. They really need to form a union to enforce their collective bargaining rights. The CIA really needs to share more of their Afgahi opium profits with their employees -too much of the profits are going to their Skull N' Bones management Ivy league sponsors and the JPM/ Goldman Sachs crowd.
My cousin was as Irish American as I am. Also, Yale educated (scholarship, not family connections). And, she was a reporter for the Sunday Times of London, not a combatant. She was one of the last reporters left in Homs,Syria and Assads people knew the building she was in. They hit it numerous times, not one random shot. So before you flippantly spout crap, know what the hell you are talking about. Google "Marie Colvin" and learn about someone who actually did something, not just pop off on a blog.
gnomon
listen fuckwit..
look at the what depleted uranium does to babies.
even your rotten fucking dna has been and will be changed hopefully in your case for the better.
for the people of fallujah the damage is forever.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&pq=duplicity&cp=16&gs_id=1fn&xhr=t...
tony,
Are you savy's sidekick, going off into the bushes to pee on the dog and think that you have stayed on topic?
Depleted Uranium? Babies?!? Time to put yourself out to pasture, hopefully nowhere near Fukushima. You have too much radiation on the mind already, more than you can handle.
What the hell does peeing on a dog have to do with aything we have been discussing? I understand Tony's point-a well thought out, serious point - but I have no clue what point you are trying to make.
Are you speaking in some kind of secret code? Let' s not be trite here. Make and defend your points with reason, logic and with some degree of informed knowledge.
.......Nice shot....!
See practice pays off.
Tonkin Gulf incident? Works for me.
"Our air defences confronted a target that penetrated our air space
over our territorial waters pre-afternoon on Friday and shot it down."
pre-afternoon!
here in america, that's called "morning"
Something doesn't jive, I bet the Russians shot down the plane off the coast of Latakia which is about 50 miles north of Tartus. Erdogan would have flipped if it was the Syrians who shot it down, that's why he had a "measured" response. 20,000 Russian marines should arrive in Syria within few days, the lines in the sand are being drawn...
If they bomb those lovely Latakia tobacco fields then it's on.
I'll declare war on Turkey.
They will rue the day for eternity.
NWO F4-2012 Phantom, now that is a tall tail number of the beast. LMAO http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-06-21/war-douche-bags#comment-2549851
holeDivestmentVote up! 0
Vote down! 0
The Phantom, known as a ''flying rock'', at the ''barstool'', http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zgsIdMa8qA
...she's a real quiet gal, lol. (sings like a prophetic Opera Singer) That turnKEY TurKEY is a real dumb bird, probably flew right into the mouth of the Syrian beast thinking she was UNlocking the code door to the Tartus deck party house at Tarsus. LMAO. The whore gets lost easy. Blaa haa haa haaa, ewe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnYzQsZXIRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OvcP1bjd34
ALL IS DISINFORMATION.
Meanwhile, from the home front, the American/Israeli CIA continues to operate as a fascist loose cannon, untethered to accountability or human rights...
Poles Shocked as Facts of CIA Torture Site Continue to Emerge: CIA Sought Local Contractor to 'Build a Cage' for Detainees
by Jason Ditz, June 22, 2012 | antiwar.com
It has been more or less an established fact that the CIA operated a “black site” for detention and torture in Poland for several years, but as more and more data continues to emerge, the details are shocking local rights activists and have the current government scrambling to save face and distance themselves from the past administration’s crimes.
Polish prosecutors say that the investigation has turned up a number of new documents, including a signed agreement for the establishment of the torture site, signed by former Polish spymaster Zbigniew Siemiatowski. Ironically, the document did not include any signatures from the US side, “because they do not want to sign documents inconsistent with their own Constitution and international law.”
It has also emerged that the CIA hired a local contractor to “build a cage” for the black site. Sen. Jozef Pinior, who confirmed the existence of a work order for the cage, said it would have been “non-standard equipment” for a prison, but not for one in which torture was being carried out…
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/06/22/poles-shocked-as-facts-of-cia-torture-site-continue-to-emerge/
Disney wants to build a ME theme park...
http://laughingsquid.com/holy-land-experience-a-faith-based-theme-park-i...
Jesus Fucking Christ...
I hate this job.
http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/DSC_0098_800x600.jpg
You have a highly developed sense of the absurd, but these guys got you beat by a mile.
LOL. This goes in my WTF? file.
Ron Paul: Hands Off Syria
Before the US House of Representatives: Statement Introducing HR 5993, The Syria Non-Intervention Act of 2012 (17 hours ago)
Mr. Speaker: The Administration is marching toward another war in the Middle East, this time against Syria. As with the president's war against Libya, Congress has been frozen out of the process. The Constitution, which grants Congress and only Congress the authority to declare war, is once again being completely ignored.
The push for a US attack on Syria makes no sense, is not in our interest, and will likely make matters worse. Yet the Administration, after transferring equipment to the Syrian rebels and facilitating the shipment of weapons from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, has indicated that its plans for an actual invasion are complete.
This week there are even press reports that the Central Intelligence Agency is distributing assault rifles, anti-tank rocket launchers, and other ammunition to the Syrian opposition. These are acts of war by the United States government. But where is the authority for the president to commit acts of war against Syria? There is no authority. The president is acting on his own.
Today we are introducing legislation to prevent the administration from accelerating its plan to overthrow the Syrian government by assisting rebel forces that even the administration admits include violent Islamic extremists.
The bill is simple. It states that absent a Congressional declaration of war on Syria:
"No funds available to the Department of Defense or an element of the intelligence community may be obligated or expended for the purpose or which would have the effect of supporting, directly or indirectly, military or paramilitary operations in Syria by any nation, group, organization, movement, or individual."
This legislation is modeled after the famous Boland Amendments of the early 1980s that were designed to limit the president's assistance to the Contras in their attempt to overthrow the government of Nicaragua. Congress has an obligation to exercise oversight of the president's foreign policy actions and to protect its constitutional prerogatives. This legislation will achieve both important functions.
http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul811.html
uk and usa are determined to push turkey into a war with syria.
Operation "Turkey Shoot" -
Who woulda thought WW3 could be usered in by such a hackneyed, cliche'd, pre-fabricated, B-Grade movie drama such as this?
Hmmmm.... well anyone, I guess, who has paid the slightest bit of attention to the history of phoney & fabricated US causi belli: Sinking of the Maine, sinking of the Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Dominoes (no - not the pizza chain)falling in Vietnam, WMD in Iraq, krazies in Kabul, trrrrists in Triopoli, and (judging by the whipped-up anti-Iran frenzy) mad mullahs under the mattress....Zzzzz.......zzzzz....
You get the picture: THEY Want Their Cartoon War and They Will Have It. YOU - as dumb cattle - get to play a starring-role with a meat-grinder. Heil Hillary!
The map is from Stratfor? Hmm...
Deescalation?:
"Turkish President Abdullah Gul says the jet fighter shot down by the Syrian army might have violated Syria's airspace."
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/23/247552/jet-violating-syrian-airs...
Food for thought...
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/greek-fm-turkish-pms-friend.aspx?pageID...
If Nato decides that shooting down a Turkish military jet not in Syrian airspace was an act of war and opts for regime change in Syria, Russia and China will not lift a finger. You will not hear a peep from either of them.
Has Turkey apologized yet for entering Syria air space with a fighter jet, threatening a neighboring nation?
This is the question journalists should be asking.
First off.......Syria doesn't owe anyone an apology. You think the US wouldn't do the same?
Secondly.....given the chart of the USO in long term double bottom territory you'd be an idiot to be short over the weekend regardless.
Awaiting the Gulf of fucking Tonkin, redux, resolution.
All of you USA haters will be sorry when Pax Americana is gone. Wait until China or a China/Russia/Iran Axis is running the show with Syria and North Korea as their willing proxies, (as they already are).
There is bad. And then there is worse, much worse. We have no good choices. Grow up! (And choose the side that you could possibly reform instead of being immediately killed or incarcerated).
Our enemies are counting on Fifth Columns like you represent to finally bring us down. There is only one slim chance to restore the Republic and to save the world, and it resides within the United States, (thirty million or so of us).
who r u referring to? Fifth column? Like who?
Thirty million ways to leave your lover, your cover, your republic without lover or cover?
Undercover the lover of coverup of sixth columnist tap dancer discovering fifth column lap dancer, turned naked supermarket dancer for all columnists who can come to the mall to film them in the german super bahn.
Its a barn door wide open and its called pseudo patriotism on the run. Where's that horse of mine?
Joining the discussion late, but I have it as Turkey +1.
Remember, just a few days ago, a Syrian pilot defected with a Mig-21 (23?) to Turkey. So now Turkey has an enemy aircraft to evaluate and play with to determine capabilities and weak spots, and Syria has a bunch of old iron on the bottom to the sea offshore some disagreed distance - but got even (more or less) for the loss of one of their aircraft.
Just too bad there does not seem to be any adults in that sandbox at the moment...