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Euro Jumps As US Taxpayers Are Latest Source Of European Bailout According To Freshest Set Of Bailout Rumors
FT, Liesman and now the IMF (aka US Taxpayer). Rinse repeat. The program for the spin cycle to keep the EUR afloat, and Europe bailed out on any given day ending in -day is now clear as day. After last night's FT rumor for yet another comprehensive bank bailout program was promptly digested and rejected by the market with the EURUSD recouping all losses, it is now the IMF's duty du jour to protect the doomed currency, naturally with other people's money, in this case America's middle class. And in a flurry of headlines, we find that the person tasked with destroying his credibility, after the market no longer trusts anything Lagarde says, is IMF European Department Director Antonio Borges who according to Reuters, said that Europe needs between 100 billion and 200 billion euros to recapitalize its banks to win back investor confidence and should carry out the plan across the continent, not in a staggered process. He also confirmed that other European bureaucrats lied yesterday when they said no recap plan was being considered after saying that, well, "EU officials are working on a European bank-recapitalization plan." Said otherwise, US taxpayers to the European rescue because the EUcrats can not get their imploding house in order. But, but, whatever happened to China?
Yet surely he is credible, when everyone else isn't. As to his imaginary number of just €200 billion needed to rescue Europe, here is what he had to say: "We are talking about figures of between 100 and 200 billion euros, which in our view is very, very small compared to the size of the European capital markets and compared to the resources of the new, enhanced EFSF," Borges also said the IMF would "definitely participate" in a second bailout package for Greece if the Washington-based lender was happy that the country showed it was willing to solve its debt problems. "If there is a second program for Greece, which is the expectation, I think the IMF will definitely participate on the condition that we remain convinced that Greece is on track and the right policies can be put in place, that debt can become sustainable," he added.
But the scariest news for US taxpayers, who are the primary funders of the IMF, which as we reported recently is planning on expanding its "bailout firepower" to $1.3 trillion, is that the IMF could "if needed" could create an SPV to buy bonds of Spain and Italy in both primary and secondary markets alongside the EFSF. In other words, the US taxpayer would become Europe's Bernanke, to avoid a German revolution protesting precisely such behavior from the ECB. WE can't wait to see what the domestic response is once the "99%" learn about this.
Oddly enough, this bottom scraping rumorflow is enough to send the EURUSD up 70 pips as can be seen below.
The problem with all this is that unless EUrocrats want a public rebellion both in the continent and in the US, they will have no choice but to stick with the only form of TARP available to them: the EFSF. And while EU may be only now thinking of recapitlaizing its banks, Nomura already did it for them and came to the conclusion that unless the EFSF is expanding to many trillions, it just can't be done. So unless Germany has diametrically changes its position in the last 24 hours and we are not aware of this, it is tie to once again fade all this total and utter BS.
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Shit, bailout Europe. There will be blood in the streets
Makes cents: get the 'money' from the country that gives a shit less (USA)
can anyone comment on whether the Fed might stop paying interest on excess reserves? and why this deos not seem to be discussed by anyone? except me?
There is so much else, people can't focus. Our government at the highest levels supplying guns to drug gangs, giving them a free pass to sell as long as they kill the other gangs who don't launder their money at the right bank, etc.
The government is one giant criminal conspiracy. The middle class is the victim.
Bingo
Oh yeh -- one other thing--bring it to justice and-- let the punishment fit the crime
Justice??
Eric "Empty Suit" Holder is Rip Van Fucking Winkle...
Check out Gary North's old columns. He has pointed out that this is almost the only thing (besides lack of willing and able borrowers) keeping those bailout billions from flooding out into the economy.
Another reason is that it's a sneaky form of free money to the banks, aka 'recapitalization'. I lend you a dollar at 0%. You park it with me at, say 1%. Now add a lot of zeros and you have the idea.
New post http://thethoughtfultrader.blogspot.com/
One would think if it takes both the ESFS and the IMF to bailout...again...that perhaps this won't work..again. People of the world to be slaves to the banks....fo eva bitchez!
Remember also it is only a week until the Federal Reserve comes over the horizon with its 3 month US dollar swap lines for European banks as explained below.
http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/shaun-richards/the-us-cavalry-is-only-a-week-away-whilst-uk-gdp-growth-is-a-poor-measure-of-anything/Silver/Gold crashing on that - time to stockpile some more bullions :-D
It's a falling knife, and the high premiums and non-availibility in many shops make it harder, but I am buying what I can when I can.
Just like 2008 - maybe silver goes down to 15USD/oz - I _do not care_ as long as physical sits in my safe. I just wonder how long they can overstretch this Muppet Show and in what currency I'll go for Xmas-shopping.
Remember, they have been bailing out Eurobanks all along. AIG was used as a funnel for billions to Eurobanks, plus the trillions the so called Fed gave them interest free.
It is a continuation of the game, nothing more.
I was talking to a guy in the gas station and he said all will be fine and that it's the media who is blowing thing out of proportion.
I don't know who he was, but it's possible he worked for the IMF or Europarlement because he was in a suit.
He also said that it might start to rain for a few days in Belgium and that the summer is really over now.
That was a tankstelling selling Yahoo unleaded?
At least he seems to be right about the weather..
Yes, this fits my experience in Belgium as well. People won't believe that anything is really wrong until it punches them in the face. The current candidate for that is the Dexia fiasco and the possibility that local government will have to lay off some people (Dexia is the banker for Belgian local governments). When I mention this possibility to people here, they say "Oh no, impossible! The law says...etc."
So far they've been right.
European banks are being saved. Stocks rise, PMs down. No Armageddon. Remember that collateral for Finland, supposed to be a roadblock for the saving of Greece? Though the collateral is completely unattractive, but the Finns agreed to it. Paper tigers. Even the True Finns remain silent, have no influence. Problem solved, euro saved. All obstacles are being cleaned up, so we're heading for Christmas. No troubles anymore, enough money to save many times. No collapse. Boring world we live in.
rumors are all it takes to make markets, obviously.
Headline should read: "Captain Insano and his sidekick Gossip Girl rescues the markets."
Forget everything you have learned.
Greek statistics-a troll synonym
http://english.capital.gr/News.asp?id=1297525
4th year of recession and still standing...
An ancient Chinese proverb comes to mind:
"Never build your home's foundation on bullshit"
I think that applies to base formations in markets also....
Recapitalization = printing presses Yet Silver & Gold are papered down to greet the new rescue. BTFD
Paper gold and paper silver fall. Perhaps they will print more of these products and sell them onto the market to pay for the recapitalization of Europe. Kill two birds with one stone while fucking over those stupid enough to buy paper PM products AND providing smart people with a lower price for physical (assuming they can find any for that price).
Only devastating alien invasion can save Europe.
We do have aliens arriving by the thousands every day. The problem is that 99% of them are poor and unskilled. Plus we already have plenty of poor, unskilled natives. Everyone here wants the welfare state, but without thinking through the logical implications.
" But, but, whatever happened to China? "
They will be bailed out by Nauru.
I don't believe ZeroHedge. Bernanke has said many times that he has a strong dollar policy. hahahaha
To hell with manufacturing/service/resource based economies - the most efficient is obviously a rumor based economy.
Nurtured by auxillary industries such as Press Conferences, Telephone Conferences and Emergency EU Summits over weekends, financed by printing presses. I think we've got the real deal going here. Bless!
ITS OPM-Day..
Other Peoples Money
To quote Charile Brown "Good grief."
The US Taxpayer bail out Europe?
Ha! Thats a good one!
Let's get one thing straight: the US Taxpayer couldn't bail out a shopaholic 7-year-old thats been on a splurge in a Five 'n Dime store - not even if Warren threw in an extra $5 a week! LOL!
The US taxpayer is B-R-O-K-E just like the USA
Besides any IMF Bailout would just be a roundabout way of bailing-out the counter-party US banks - a well-worn road, I'm sure you're familiar with - and keeping this sorry charade going a little while longer
Yanky Frankie, you forgot the printing press can do bonds as well as cash, ie the debt which is monetized.
The Bernank testified only yesterday that US banks had very minimal, manageable exposure to Euro banks, so NO PROBLEM, we have lending power to spare for their borrowing needs.
The real deadline for all this is November 2012, then we get a whole new can to kick around.
As long as the dollar is an idea, we can keep having more of them for free. Everyone wants more of them, except pesky gold bugs who seem to be on to something crazy.
Who is left as a prospective groom after this one fails to show up at the alter?
Mike sang a song to a Rat once.
Ben,
You're always running here and there
You feel you're not wanted anywhere
If you ever look behind and don't like what you find
There's something you should know, you've got a place to go
(That would be hell).
Ben, the printer of last resort, bank on it. Guttenberg would puke in his grave.
STOP GIVING THESE ASSHATS MONEY. LET FAILURE FAIL. LET BAD DECISIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. RESTORE DISCIPLINE-- STOP SPENDING-- ONCE THE BANKRUPTCY IS COMPLETE.
This is not that hard to understand. Not only is the top 1/1000 (worse) being allowed to control all the world's wealth, when they have spent it all, they are being given more. You would not do this with a kid. You would not do this with your crackhead brother.
This is why the once proud pink sheet [the FT] is now known as the pink rag.
Perhaps the owners and editors of the FT should consider moving on up to the high standards of journalistic integrity set by The News Of The World.
And those sorry fucks have the nerve to call Zero Hedge lacking...
MsCreant, you know when the tide is changing by observing that the dissidents become the forces of order while the forces of order become the anarchists.
"you know when the tide is changing by observing that the dissidents become the forces of order while the forces of order become the anarchists"
Really good observation. Hope you are well and the car is fixed.
Politics. Think about it....people can't imagine how the world got into this mess..........Like it fell from the fucking sky or something! The Euro is a totally politcial construct, it was not formed out of economic necessity or urgency. Politics. The Euro and associated problems are no different than govt. pensions/broke states/US govt debt/unprecedentted govt involvement in business.
Politics.
Other than the i-phone from AAPL, one shrewd move in the past 20 yrs has been the by the Union to recruit govt workers. That has been the fastest growing part of the group. Why so shrewd??? Direct govt deposit of money/fees/dues. No payout or other economic decision by the govt HAS ANY REAL ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCE. All the 3 dimensional math models aside and cross/cds/rate swap backflip agreements aside,, its not complicated. Political involvement in economics is a disaster, at our expense.
Bernanke is already feeding those banks trillions in 0% loans that will never be paid back, just like last time.
Said otherwise, US taxpayers to the European rescue because the EUcrats can not get their imploding house in order.
US taxpayers will provide relief only for property rights in Greece,since we are mor broke than they are, we need a place to move to.
To date, I have seen NO ONE coming to our rescue,except the chinese, and Japanese, simply because we are their ECONOMY.
Ready to hand over the reins to the Reseve Currency, as all it means is we get the tab for it all.
And down again. Motion Sickness bitchez
My bad, just ranted about this on the next post. Bend over Borges, I have a baseball bat for you.
The word you are seeking is "swaps"......Uncle Ben won't let the EU breathren drown. He will take shitty "AAA" collateral on the Feds books.
The US Taxpayer? C'mon, Americans don't pay taxes. Everyone knows that!
If the US is going to bail anyone out, then it will have to be with newly printed funny money.
No, Europe will not be bailed out by US taxpayer money. The US taxpayer has no money, only debt.
Europe may be bailed out by freshly printed FED dollars.
Debts will never be repaid.
Unless I have this wrong, it seems Germany has said "no" to the bailouts being an intramural affair, so the US has to fund not only its own profligacy, but that of Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. as well. I guess Japan has to pony up, too, though to a lesser extent. Bond investors get another coat of teflon while we're at it.
Then Bernanke opens up the swap lines, which are "fully collaterized", which means Ben will be taking Greek Sovereign paper and Dexia LT paper to hold on our behalf. Then when the ECB cannot close the swap lines, meaning they refuse to print euros to get the dollars back, Ben will be left with Pap's and some Walloon hooker's phone numbers, and little more. Of course, the IMF might step in to cover the losses, which is to say 40 cents on the dollar will fall on the US taxpayer.
The first political candidate who raises this issue---with the Wall Street protests this would now resonate---gets the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave (plus he assumes the HELOC Obama took out).
oh the incestuous financial world :
ROBERT REICH: Behind Europe's Debt Crisis Lurks Another Giant Bailout of Wall Street
Read more: http://robertreich.org/post/11033625495#ixzz1ZuSlC2Iy
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