Eurobonds Ruled Out; Eurobong Still In Play

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Sun, 08/14/2011 - 18:50 | 1559938 Buck Johnson
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They want Eurobonds because they can stall and put the debt into another vehicle that they won't be responsible for, only Germany and France will.  This is getting to be a massive shell game.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 18:57 | 1559953 magpie
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Maybe some EFSF lite coverage for Spain and Italy; a basic mechanism / sleigh of hand to transfer debt between the fund and the ECB in the meantime. Anything else would be too expensive and would require something parliamentary which everyone seems to wish to avoid these days.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 21:25 | 1560256 spiral_eyes
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Dey schmokin' dat good shit in Europe:

motherfuckin' paper g. schmoke dat motherfuckin'' toxic paper 'til you get emphysema and 'til your fucking lungs collapse.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 23:41 | 1560553 StychoKiller
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George Soros warned on Friday that the euro “could implode” if eurozone leaders failed to accept the principle of mutualising debt.

Translation:  "C'mon, pour a little gasoline on yer head, ALL the cool kids are doing it!"

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 18:51 | 1559941 ISEEIT
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Watch EUR/USD bust 1.43

That's how it works.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 18:55 | 1559952 cossack55
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I have never seen a EuroBong, but, needless to say, I am intrigued.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:04 | 1559975 carbonmutant
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If it's like the American ones it Sucks...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:20 | 1560007 machineh
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The Euro-Bong is charged with salvia divinorum.

You get high for 30 seconds on each fantastical pronouncement.

Then you come down and have a headache. And bond yields are higher than they were before.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:38 | 1560041 fraud-fed
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I tried the Euro-Bong and woke up to find Merkel next to me in bed squeezing my nutsack.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:07 | 1560111 chump666
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hahahahahahahaha...oh f*ck that was funny.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:17 | 1560135 DeadFred
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Next time avoid the mushrooms withs the bright yellow spots...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:15 | 1559955 Reptil
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If they ram that through (like they did about everything this summer) they'll have a hell of a problem.
Typical EU arrogance says they'll try. Knowing our politicians they'll try to sell it, because they're seeing this "no" as a negative on their carreer.

Dutch lost nearly 40% of buying power when the euro was introduced, subsequently the country invested every year in the euro, and now the eurocrats wanted to dictate how to split up ING Bank? That was an eyeopener for some people I guess. Being a trading country the Netherlands profit from fopen borders but this does not mean it reflects positively on citizens themselves in a depression.

Generally dutch don't really care whatever happens (Lisbon Treaty?), until they feel a hand on their wallet. I bet those numbers will go up to 70% once they come back from holliday and figure it out (that 59 billion was just the start). :-S

Time to let the ponzi stop, and let the bankrupt be bankrupt, I'd say. As you can see I'm not calling in the desert. I think the people here have had enough of the whole circus. It'll be pain for a while, but it'll be the only option, save for an even bigger ponzi in the form of a global currency.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 18:58 | 1559956 pesamystik
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Eurobonds will happen. After all, Soros demanded them in an Op-Ed in Reuters. We all know that the ponzi demands it, and the German government will pretend they will not do it, and then, just like that, they will do it.  The DOW will then soar to 30,000.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:01 | 1559965 Reptil
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Ask anyone here who George Soros is. lol

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:08 | 1559986 carbonmutant
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Soros also suggested that Greece, Portugal quit EU

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Soros-suggests-Greece...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 22:48 | 1560435 kito
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@pesa-absolutely right it will happen. all germany is waiting for is total capitulation by the debt laden european countries to agree to fiscal integration. and it will happen because there is no other way for these junkie nations to get their fix. they will sell their souls and germany will get what it has waited for... a REAL opportunity to enforce fiscal responsibility in these spendthrift nations. oh, and the people--HA!! that pathetic "revolution" in greece really deterred the austerity vote so they could get their next fix. and those true finns? yeah, the people sure prevailed there as well. same for spain, portugal, italy, etc. the european govts are hell bent on maintaining the union, and regardless of the spineless european populace, eurobonds ARE coming.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 04:04 | 1560799 newworldorder
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You are correct. What the bankstas want the bankstas get. German and French democracy be damned.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 18:58 | 1559957 JW n FL
Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:02 | 1559969 JW n FL
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here is a thought!

how much money does the FED collect?

while crying broke? while demanding the debt ceiling be raised!

how much in income does the FED see monthly?

anyone want to take a guess?

why does it no drop down as income? becuase it is participated out before the 30 day mark! it never hits the books.. call it a siv or private ___________ whatever it does not matter.. the FED has a fuckign FANTASTIC Cash Flow Position that NO ONE is talking about! LOL why not?

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:07 | 1560110 steve from virginia
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JW, I think the Fed might be up to some kind of funny business as well.

Bernanke can use swap lines and primary dealers as toxic waste dumps and the ECB as a straw purchaser. A private understanding between central bankers would prop up the EU key man ... for a little while longer.

 http://www.economic-undertow.com/2011/08/12/dear-switzerland/

Eurobonds are a good idea and not issuing them is a missed marketing opportunity for the EU. There are willing lenders, not enough quality debt to sell!

The hold up is the need for a Europe- wide taxing authority to guarantee service on euro denominated bonds. As EU taxes are very high already, adding a continental tax would mean reduction in individual sovereign tax collections.

Of course, a Eurobond would gain a large float-footprint and borrowing sums would soon cost less than raising them by means of taxation. EU rates would decline the same way and for the same reason US and Japanese rates have declined.

The EU could easily raise another 4-10 trillion euros and buy itself some time without increasing the overall tax burden.

 

 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 22:13 | 1560340 JW n FL
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you have two different buyers of debt for Europe as a whole or parceled out.. either or.

1. The Powers the Be would buy the debt if they knew things were going to get better. they are not, we have not seen bad yet.

2. The FED would agree to fully fund whatever purchase thru any number of other Agencies, thusly being the end buyer.

 

thats it. there is no buyer at any price for the shit they are selling.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 23:14 | 1560493 tip e. canoe
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what you guys are describing sounds very similar to the Lehman Repo 105 scam, but on a super-sovereign level.  

Benzlebub1 : "And i would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those darn Southern goyboys..."

 

1 still chuckling at that name slewie.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:01 | 1559964 WestVillageIdiot
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It is funny how the pronouncements are coming closer and closer together.  The funds needed to save it all get bigger and bigger.  And the deniers still act as if there is nothing wrong and they can keep this going forever.  Everything feels like 2008 again.  Everything.   

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:03 | 1559971 ISEEIT
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Honestly? I just moved my S/L to 1.44 and have enough in reserve to cover to 1.50. I've never made a dime off of EUR/USD action up off of 1.40. I understand that I could have. Knew that I could have. Crappy speculator I am though. I just won't bet on a dead horse.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:07 | 1559977 chump666
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The EZ leaders have lost the plot - completely.  They are simply losing control.  Let the market clean out the garbage, the longer these brainacs delay the inevitable, the bigger the pain.  The shortselling ban proposed throughout the G7 is desperation gone mad, market is going to read into that  - EZ is a FUBAR trade.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:11 | 1559991 WestVillageIdiot
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It just feels like we are going to have that day where things snap.  We will wake up and the DAX will be down 400.  What then? 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:45 | 1560057 Lazlo Toth
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The next twig will snap.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:06 | 1559980 WorkOutWellForAll
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The one and only solution to these problems is around the revelation that accurate reports of perception and understanding (honesty), facing the highest level problems, will always yield work out well all around solutions.

The only problem is the festering of cliched deceit, manufactured en masse for the past century, and then refined with science.

Unless overt acknowledgement of massive pain and deprivation of those below -- domestically and abroad -- forms the basis of a global figuring out what do to -- then, we are just supporting the current orders with all our minds and hearts.

Unfortunately, the same goes for almost all criticism here -- which lacks any responsibility and urgency to ensure it will work out -- a responsibility that is directly proportionate to your fed belly and your brain at your fingertips.

Regarding the Europeans -- there appears a 60 year old chasm of deference to the power inertia of US corporate military capitalism. Unless the lights of Germany and France think underneath this half-century of accumulated privileges in malfeascent political economy, their thinking is just propaganda, along with all the mere reporters or their thinkings.

You'd have to hold sincerity and principled truth-creation over personal security -- which is foreign to the world today, although wasn't to Eliot's entirely so. Massive world extinguishing wars wipe out the courageous and righteous first and foremost. The unprincipled survivors then lord over the ruins.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:07 | 1559981 Missiondweller
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Germans are running out of time to save their sovereignty. If they don't take to the streets soon they are doomed.

 

And Soros? Hell, you know he is short the Euro even as he cheers for Germany's subjigation to the EU. There's nothing he loves more than to profit from a currency's collapse.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:17 | 1560001 WestVillageIdiot
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Prussia will rise again.  Decentralize all of these monster governments. 

The world's standard of living is going to get much lower.  At least the U.S. standard of living willl be heading down.  That is why all of this is being done.  Nobody wants to jump into that next phase.  They all want to see how it works for somebody else first. 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:57 | 1560092 Missiondweller
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Prussia will rise again.

 

LOL! My mother's side of the family was from Prussia before the came over (to the US).

 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:35 | 1560035 Long-John-Silver
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One day soon They will run Soros through a Guillotine just to make sure it will properly work for all his elite friends and business partners in line behind him.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:11 | 1559990 Everybodys All ...
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Write the debt off and start over with a tier one Eurozone and a tier two Eurozone. Two currencies. A good bank vs. bad bank. France and Germany in tier one or the current currency. The rest in tier two and a new currency. Create rules to which it would take to regain tier one.

Get it over with, reset the banks, stop trying to destroy everything with sovereign debt rescues.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:36 | 1559999 disabledvet
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Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:17 | 1560000 carbonmutant
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The six largest U.S. money market funds have eliminated their lending to Italian and Spanish banks, reduced investments in French banks and are favoring Swiss securities for their $511 billion of assets.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-12/u-s-money-funds-shun-italian-sp...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:18 | 1560003 oogs66
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No way these would get a aaa rating!

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:21 | 1560008 WestVillageIdiot
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Gold is hovering around $1,740.  It is funny how the margin hike seems to have broken its momentum.  Could the buyers really have second thoughts about gold?  With all of the potential currency problems you would think the drop in price would make them buy more. 

Bring gold back to $800.  Oh, please, do it.  Europe is fine.  Japan is fine.  USA is fine.  There is no need to own gold. 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:30 | 1560027 disabledvet
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When economies start imploding the bugaboo of soaring yields foces gold to compete with cash. "Paper covers rock" as they say.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 23:03 | 1560459 tip e. canoe
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yes, but silver scissors cut paper.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:23 | 1560015 AR15AU
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So, eurobonds now immenent... got it...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 22:09 | 1560329 JW n FL
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LOL!

You are Paying attention!

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:23 | 1560016 machineh
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To summarize Europe's fatal error: you cannot fix insolvency with 'more liquidity.'

All else is commentary.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 05:27 | 1560840 falak pema
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Pot calling the kettle  black ! What do you think BB has been doing since Tarp/Qe days?

He does have a decisive advantage over ECB : exorbitant privilege of reserve currency! He can print away as its US money but the World's problem. The ECB can't whence the current eurobond problem. 

Won't save the USD but helps in the race down to foggy bottom as Oligarchs rip-off the riches of EU sovereigns.

 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 19:48 | 1560063 slewie the pi-rat
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fuking soros is always a trip, isn't he?  pretnding he doesn't know abt the benzulbub's new "Bailout All Now" button  while fading his own bullshit abt "mutualizing debt"

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:04 | 1560106 RiverRoad
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Kudos to the European people for repudiating bankster sophistry:  The Emperor HAS NO clothes!

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:04 | 1560108 max2205
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Die, erurobong..... Lol

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:19 | 1560140 Terminus C
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Gold and silver getting beat up atm.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 21:28 | 1560262 caerus
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lol..."eurobong"

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 21:33 | 1560273 PulauHantu29
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Sarkozy is too busy invading other countries so he can grab th enext Nobel Peace Prize for him to be involved much in the Boondoggleization of the EU. The Germans ar ein control and IF they are as smart as they have historically been they will join with other hard working German-speaking peoples of Austria and Exito the EU.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 22:53 | 1560443 gookempucky
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Merry go round the Bonds..... everything on this planet has a bond attached to it period. This has shackled the people of this planet...bond for everything..you name it.

Asset backed securities...convertible...muni..corporate..treasury...tips...extendable... currency...mortgage..junk...zero coupon etc etc etc and now EUROBONDS...so many chains around our necks and so many dont even know why they are drowning... but hey the food in Iowa was awsome.

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