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Europe Doesn't Get It

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Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:41 | 1954403 ghengis86
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I Couldn't care less about European Banksters. - dot in he'll you pieces of shit

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:41 | 1954405 achmachat
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you got autocorrect on?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:45 | 1954411 Chris Jusset
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"Europe Doesn't Get It"


Europe is trying to fool the market ... but that never works for more than a few days.  I can't wait for the Eurozone to advance from the nursery school stage to kindergarten ... because this is really getting tiresome.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:53 | 1954697 Ropingdown
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Europe is trying to fool Germany, really.  The market wants Germany fooled, and quick. "Put your credit in there, baby. C'mon."  Uh, no. Germany wants major treaty visibility and rights,  or no more advances. Simple. Belgium, Lux, Italy et al keep trying...cause their banks are about to bust.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:46 | 1954421 ghengis86
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Yep. Set to DVDA

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:45 | 1954416 ghengis86
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First comment and auto correct Bernanke's me; I can tell this day is going to be great

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:41 | 1954404 Irish66
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Its been over 2 years, why in the hell would you think they would get it now

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:50 | 1954431 gojam
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Personally, I think they do get it.

But how do European countries reconcile their people to the revolutionary and radical policies that will be needed to come out the other side ?

Only by exhaustively attempting to find a solution while increasingly harsh austerity measures are presented to the public.

Only then will the public accept the inevitable.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:51 | 1954440 Irish66
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2 page piece of paper...do this or the world will end

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:57 | 1954465 gojam
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The recent Irish budget looked bloody awful. Not quite the 'end of the world' but I bet the Irish public are starting to wonder whether default might not be better in the end.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:46 | 1954873 oogs66
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But it wouldnt end. Bankers would just be poorer. Instead they making more money again with swap lines

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:42 | 1954406 LawsofPhysics
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The world doesn't get it, Europe is just being forced to be the first to deal with it.  Hedge accordingly.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:42 | 1954408 PontifexMaximus
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watch latest BB news re secs offered and stretching lines to 2 y

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:42 | 1954409 midgetrannyporn
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"The market" that's hilarious. There is no market, there is only the squid.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:45 | 1954412 TruthInSunshine
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National Public Radio's 'Marketplace' (yes, I listened; no, I don't why; yes, I regret it now, as always), which ebbs ever so more closely to cnBSc with each passing day (as their sponsors are all retail brokerage firms now, running ads, to compensate for the black hole of 'giving' that the increasingly poor Amerikan Public isn't making), had a segment on this morning whereby they declared that the fate of the euro now rests squarely in the hands of the UK, which a) never technically went along with the common currency of the Eurozone, and b) has one of the highest debt levels of any nation on earth, let alone in the EU.

I find all of this absolutely fascinating.

The propaganda, that is...


What are the intrade odds on unmitigated, "open ze floodgates, Herr Trichet, and print ze fiat!," anyways?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:47 | 1954423 GMadScientist
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Anyone waiting to be saved by England is well and truly "rogered".

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:48 | 1954429 TruthInSunshine
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I do believe we'll soon discover whether any fight, aspirations of freedom and sovereignty, and vestiges of rationality have been completely snuffed out of Germans and Brits, complete with spinal cord detachment.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:20 | 1955010 Jonathan E
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Just learn some Geography...

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:49 | 1954427 digitlman
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Kai Ryssdal is just as much the market pumper as Cramer.  Just not as loud.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:54 | 1954453 GeneMarchbanks
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Yes there is propaganda. Then, there is also the need to create a narrative for events that i) you never saw coming in the first place and ii) a general calming effect to the frightened masses.

'What are the intrade odds on unmitigated, "open ze floodgates, Herr Trichet, and print ze fiat!," anyways?'

Wrong question. You should be asking what the general psychology of the German population is re: the past generations and their mistakes.

Bass polled the Germans. No go on the 'printing'. I'm seeing no changes so far from that thesis.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:44 | 1954414 Construct
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to hell with europe I am on my way out ASAP.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:44 | 1954415 Fuh Querada
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Why could the market not care less about treaty changes? Because they know damn well that the existing fucking treaties (Maastricht: no bailout, no debt union, deficits under 3% and all the other shit) have been broken and trampled upon since their inception, so why the hell is there any reason to suppose that new treaties will be worth more then the paper they are written on?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:53 | 1954451 Mike2756
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Treaties were always made to be broken, some of the EU countries broke it before it was ratified.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:45 | 1954418 youngman
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It is sad that  is all the markets care about....whether a central bank is going to print fake FRN....sad...

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:52 | 1954439 GOSPLAN HERO
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fake dollars

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:49 | 1954885 oogs66
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Yet the people pretend banks are capitalists and deserve huge bonuses

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:46 | 1954422 Coldfire
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Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:52 | 1954445 Schmuck Raker
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Cue the Kenny Loggins soundtrack.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:48 | 1954424 Nascent_Variable
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If a treaty changes in a forest, but the countries affected by it don't get to vote on it, does the death of democracy make a sound?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:50 | 1954428 tim73
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Market also says go jump into burning lake. Market ueber alles! No wonder USA is fubar, they believe everything The Everpresent "Market" tells them.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:49 | 1954432 Schmuck Raker
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"I have been assuming that the meeting will result in another agreement to agree. That is relatively easy to pull together."

Not for these yawhoos...

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:50 | 1954434 vegas
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They are all political hacks. Don't ever expect them to get it. That's why they're hacks. Nobody in the private sector would ever hire these fucktards for anything.



Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:51 | 1954441 i be julia
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Europe gets it.

America gets it.

China gets it.

The global financial system is out of cash.

And the power-that-be want to keep the Ponzi going.

But the debt's too big.  So we're headed for a deflationary collapse...then war.

Case closed.


Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:53 | 1954446 bbq on whitehou...
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This is how the Euro dies. Cheap money ( US dollars ) drive out expensive money ( Euros ).

Banks need money and lots of it. Since the ECB will not print the banks will find other money for funding.

The US dollar is taking the place of Euros.  By not printing the Euro dies the same as printing Euros.

Germany will have to leave the Euro zone or lose more the just the Euro.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:53 | 1954450 PoorMan429
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I love reading you guys.

1. Why would the Swap line between ECB and FED (whose purpose seems to be creating dollar denominated liquidity to EU banks) Do anything to help this issue. All we are doing is swapping Euro liquidity, for dollar liquidity. Sincve the Euro Banks are leveraged much higher (presumably in Euro Denominated Risk) HOw does this make a damn difference.

2. Since there is no net change in money supply, devaluation of hard assets should not occur. On the contrary, since PM's seems to follow the Euro, and AUD, the possiblity of increasing Euro supply supports a negative PM outlook no? RBA cut 50BP yesterday, furthering support on this position.

Somone take me to school please...

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:04 | 1954481 Spigot
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In brief, the $5 trillion slosh which is the planetary FX/Interbank liquidity ocean has found a new impediment on the part of those holding dollar positions to temporarily trade them for EURO's in the overnight market (interbank liquidity markets). So, the FED is providing swaps to keep the ocean moving.

Possibly dollar traders are becoming dollar holders, and for what reason?? Look at Europe's political actions against the financial markets over the past 6 mos. That will provide a few clues.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:33 | 1954578 LawsofPhysics
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Somewhat of a self full filling prophecy, but I agree.  Dollar traders have become dollar holders or buying physical assets of all kinds waiting for a drop that they will cause in order to get the next "deal" funded.  Like bloody crack whores.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:07 | 1954494 Spigot
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Hard asset markets are dominated by paper trades that have nothing to do with physical assets. Upwards to 100:1. The paper markets are an illusion, but since they determine/dominate the market, those paper trades dominate the pricing structure as well.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:54 | 1954454 John Law Lives
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Printing... rumors of printing... bailouts... rumors of bailouts... stock market kiting on rumors of printing and bailouts...

What a FUBAR economic reality this is.  Let's see some REAL economic news where millions of good new jobs are created whilst nations spend tax money prudently.  I guess those days are gone forever.  It sure seems that way.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:55 | 1954458 falak pema
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Europe as represented by Germany doesn't get it, you are right : Merkel does NOT want the market to dictate the spreads, as this market is a scam; CDS are scams, the regulators are totally corrupt as their treatment of UK market is absurd. In 2008 they saw shit all. Anglosaxon finance sector risks are horrendous, in UK and US sectors. Yet USD bonds have NO SPREADS...as is true for UK which is not reflecting the spreads in Europe. The markets are being herded by the US cabal to run in THE specified direction. They may get Merkel's goat to get the whole world to kick the can towards global  fiat hyperinflation.

If this writer uses a sick market's knee jerk criteria as being the reaction of SANE market behaviour, he is comparing Nero's soldiers who burnt Rome with a natural phenomenun. This is a manipulated market and although the Euro construct is a total shit house it is NOT the only shit house. The market seems to look the other way on this latter issue. SO who is burning Rome? ANd what makes you feel that Nero's palace will not burn?

Europe does not get it? And the US does? and the markets based on naked CDSs, toxic unethical concotions, modern day Papal Indulgences, generated by these crazy PDs, sitting on a shit pile of synthetics, who think they be the Gods of Olympus! Where do you get your priorities from; Hades?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:40 | 1954856 Optimusprime
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+1.  You really nailed this one.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:47 | 1954879 longonSpam
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This is too easy, Nero was a proactive Keynesian..

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:56 | 1954460 Everybodys All ...
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What you need to get Peter Tchir is that the people do get it and they don't want it. The powerful elite aside may want it but the people could care less about those chosen few. People don't want debt servitude to anyonenand when the debt gets this out of hand the better path is bk. Get it.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:59 | 1954468 richard in norway
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people in europe dont get it, they still think that if they cut enough the markets will be happy, they are being decieved that this is about soverign debt and not the banks needing bailouts with printed money. i think the euro leaders has painted themselves into a corner they have been so succussful at distracting attention away from the banks that a program of printed money bailouts have become politicaly impossible


hell most of them think that the rating agency mafia goons are the good guys, its so fucked up

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:08 | 1954502 Spigot
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The markets are already ripping Europe to shreds, but the job is not yet done. Then they will either head to asian or to the USA to do their work. Compacency will kill you in these times.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:11 | 1954514 Dr. No
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Well obviously a treaty change doesnt effect the market.  The Algos only mine articles with "rate cut" or "bail out".  If you can get a headline abotu the treaty to also contain "purchase" the market will react.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:13 | 1954521 eBuddha
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"The market cares about only one thing, that the ECB will announce new, bigger, more aggressive sovereign purchases"

and that is why the govt's method of kicking the can and dilluting paper currencies as their approach is dooming us.

instead of just letting reality hit us all in the face and then everyone dealing with it - our political leaders have been acting like horrible parents needing the doting affection of their children and spoiled them with sweet candies.

good luck to these assholes now trying to solve this because their ponzi-styled solutions have run out and now the problem is 10x and we're all going to be eating saltines for a decade.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:02 | 1954736 Ropingdown
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Why should Germany care that the market wants big printing?  Why should they care that Geitner wants big printing, just so the US can do the same next year without punishment?  The market want Germany on the hook for all the bad paper the market has bought, including about-to-go-bad bank paper.  So?  Screw the market. Treaty guarantees and structure or no money for you!

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:15 | 1954527 NEOSERF
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Completely right...treaty changes, ratifications, more summits...just delay tactics; what the EU will need to do which is declare war which will allow them to ignore rule of law, treaties etc....and then have the ECB print like there is no tomorrow...

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