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Europe Launches Ban On All Policy Criticism By Scrapping Use Of Rating Agencies

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Why are we not surprised? The EU has just voted to scrap the use of ratings agencies in the next step on the road to a ban of all policy criticism. Via Bloomberg,

  • EU LAWMAKERS APPROVE AMENDMENT TO END USE OF CREDIT RATINGS

It seems just a few years ago, when these very same ratings agencies were raising ratings and supporting banking systems, mortgage provision, and sovereign-inclusions-into-monetary-unions, that the political elite could not showing off their bronzed statues of AAA/AA-ness.

And in the most bizarre of twists, they would prefer if they were allowed to rate themselves:

  • LAWMAKERS CALL FOR EU TO ISSUE SOVEREIGN CREDIT RATINGS

In other words:

I am Herman van Gollum, and I give Spain AAA+++. I would do business with this customer any time.

We only wish we could put this in haiku format.

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Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:10 | 2539480 fuu
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The farce is strong with this one.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:12 | 2539496 IBelieveInMagic
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In a way it may be a good thing for investors -- they are now forced to get off their fat asses and do their homework.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:14 | 2539513 Ethics Gradient
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Sure, but the ratings will still exist. It'll just mean that greek banks will be able to pledge greek debt to the ECB as collateral for leverage at face value.

This, surely then, is a plan with no draw backs!

I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:15 | 2539525 hedgeless_horseman
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Note to Sean Egan:  Do NOT have unprotected sex in Scandenavia.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:17 | 2539532 Paul Atreides
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Perpetuating the ponzi...more groundhog day bullshit. Like anyone but the algo's gives a damn what these rating agencies think. Anyone still left in this market is only giving it approval, pull the fuck out all ready in protest and lets end this paper pyramid of shit.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:19 | 2539542 idea_hamster
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I don't understand what the big deal is.  When Argentina recently had an inflation problem, outlawing reports of inflation that contradicted the official figures solved everything.

Wait...wut?

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:22 | 2539565 MillionDollarBonus_
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It's about time that EU officials stood up to these rogue rating agencies. For months now, these agencies have been consistently downgrading the credit of perfectly solvent sovereigns and banks  It was only after the rating agencies and the hedge funds (the 1%) launched their assault on unfortunate countries like Spain and Protugual that this crisis escalated. Finally the people are waking up.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:23 | 2539571 Pladizow
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"Money power denounces, as public enemies, all who question it's methods or throw light upon its crimes." - Jennings Bryan
 

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:28 | 2539581 hedgeless_horseman
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Europe is Argentina.

Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is facing accusations her administration is seeking to muzzle independent economists for publishing data that runs counter to the government's version of key statistics on economic performance.

 

...the government filed criminal charges against the managers of M&S Consultores economic consulting firm after several weeks of public arguments over the veracity of competing figures on inflation.

 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2011/07/13/Argentina-accused-of-muzzling-economists/UPI-86431310586815/

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 12:38 | 2539851 Manthong
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How about a new referral site  "Angela's List" dot com? 

for "Ratings You Can Trust"

 

 

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 15:35 | 2540532 THX 1178
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Triple A-ness and Double A-ness... Marvelous achievement or serious medical condition?

Sat, 06/23/2012 - 04:15 | 2553254 BooMushroom
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Nobody did a haiku! You guys are slacking!!

Ostriches in power
Heads buried under fiat
Winter is coming

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:23 | 2539572 Paul Atreides
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"Finally the people are waking up." - There I fixed it for you.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:26 | 2539588 Divided States ...
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Short Moodys (MCO), no need for them anymore in this crooked financial system.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:57 | 2539718 silverserfer
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"Fawnlawlrs them fellers waken out sleepin"  Theres I done fixed it fer ya.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 12:11 | 2539778 The Big Ching-aso
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Someone here please lend me a million.  I'm good 4 it.  Honest.   Family references upon request.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:26 | 2539585 financial apoca...
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read this seriously MDB, but trolling on blogs, especially ZH is a dead art

No1 gives a fuck at your attempts at humor, we are all too busy doing our respective jobs/watching cat videos/ listening to justin bieber whatever the fuck people do

its not worth the effort- Quit

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:41 | 2539612 knukles
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And some of us really work for a living, too.

 

But more to the point....
As mentioned above, the ratings agencies will still exist.
And the issuer (exception being Egan, three cheers!) gets paid by the raters.
Hate the rateings, raters and stop paying...
Dimwitted, unintended consequence, trial by fire, no more bribe money...
The EU just bought non-investment grade ratings, wholesale, big time Charley, go fuck yourselves...
Are you people fucking stupid?
Ya'll gotta play some of the fictitious game, folks.
Everybody already knows....
And in any case, nobody's gonna believe the 'New and Improved" EU ratings, rating the EU rate-ability by the Eu ratings agency, if any.

LOL

Jesus...
They'd already ignored the whole ratings business by letting the buyers carry all the shit (SHIT) at book...
Why inflame the situation and go to war?

Something about holes and digging..
Something about credibility..

Oh yeah, that Credibility Trap

 

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 12:21 | 2539801 The Big Ching-aso
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The foreseen consequence is that banned rating agencies will now have more influence than ever.  Brilliant.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 14:14 | 2540235 knukles
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Exactamundo

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
(Kind of an old lesson once again forgotten.)

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:32 | 2539609 paddy0761
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Sorry MDB, just not credible sarcasm. You are trying too hard; just relax and let the Marxist euphoria wash over you before you post next time. You can do better - I've seen it.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 13:06 | 2539958 Matt
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What do you mean? The truth only affects you if you are aware of the truth. If people stop alerting people to these insolvency problems, they won't become problems. This is all a confidence game, a ponzi scheme. If no one ever panics, the ponzi will not collapse.

If people didn't panic and pull their money out from Bernie Madoff's scheme due to losses outside of that scheme, it would not have collapsed and no one would lose their money.

This is the very reason that starting a bank run is illegal. Causing a panic is the problem, not the fact that there is a reason to panic. Even if panicing is the rational, reasonable thing to do, it is the act of panicing that causes a collapse.

Withdrawing money must soon be restricted, it is the only fair way to ensure that everyone has an equal opportunity to access their money.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 12:18 | 2539803 No Euros please...
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roflmfao, that's the best post yet, and Protgual that's a killer. You're better than Frankie Boyle!

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 12:35 | 2539854 battle axe
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MDB: Where have you been?

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 16:42 | 2540800 Gief Gold Plox
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Good one, MDB. I really liked the "perfectly solvent sovereigns" part. Now say that 5 times really fast.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:20 | 2539552 Element
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Shit is shit ... why quibble?

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:26 | 2539586 strongband
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Element: hello again. Shit is shit. The point is, why should anyone listen to agencies now when they never got it right back in 08. Better to remove the problem first. Hopefully they can work out an impartial way of carrying out ratings.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:46 | 2539662 Element
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Just have the Pope bless them, then wave the flies away, like he does at mass ... doing god's work stuff ... and instant AAA ratings, for GS to go on about doin' God's work.

 

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:52 | 2539693 strongband
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  • ZH GOES FULL RETARD - DOESN'T READ THE ARTICLE, ONLY THE HEADLINE.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 14:51 | 2539773 fuu
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-19/eu-lawmakers-approve-amendment-to-scrap-use-of-credit-ratings.html

"For sovereign debt, the parliament’s amendments would require ratings companies to pick two to three dates a year for issuing assessments, with publication outside these dates subject to approval by the European Securities and Markets Authority.

Such ESMA approval would only be forthcoming in cases of “exceptional and unforeseen circumstances,” according to the text of parliament’s amendments. "

"The lawmakers also sought to bolster the commission’s proposals by calling for a ban on mergers between large ratings companies, and for all references to credit ratings to be repealed from EU financial regulation. "

Wrong again strongband.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 12:30 | 2539842 HoofHearted
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strongband, the best ratings are MARKET-IMPLIED ratings. We figure this shit out long before Moody's or D&B or S&P or Fitch do. Now we have market-implied ratings (more or less) from someone who actually has to be right in order to keep in the market. What's that guy's name again? Oh, yeah, Sean Egan. And who is being investigated by the porn-wacthers SEC? That's right. Why?

Well, "Truth is treason in the empire of lies." All credit to RP on the quote.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 13:14 | 2539988 strongband
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Agree.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 13:29 | 2540060 Ghordius
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disagree. in the "old days", yes. yield did mean something, then, and ZIRP-"forever", manipulated CDSs and other derivative markets were unimaginable or just plain illegal.

but today? no. we are in a phase of economic and monetary war. markets? market-implied? those words have lost their previous meaning

the standard keynesian commentators from UK and the US are simply baffled that some core continental europeans refuse to go the easy way and cheat-in-the-proper-and-approved-way and are, on the other side, completely shocked that they prefer their own brands of cheating. or, my goodness, go without too much cheating and face the possibility of restructurations and/or defaults.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:16 | 2539531 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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What investor in their right mind wouldn't just resort to NOT buying any of them?

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:46 | 2539671 bdc63
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for those of you that weren't paying attention, we just passed over the line of "absurd" and into "surreal".

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 12:25 | 2539824 dicktator
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In soviet-style-comitee-led brusselaucratic dicktatorship the government rates YOU.

 

Stalin used to say "there's a man, there's a problem".

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:19 | 2539547 silver500
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This is censorship is part of the debt slavery process.  Eventually in order for the farce to keep going we need a 100% totalitarian regime, where:

 

·         It’s a criminal offence to comment on the solvency of nations

·         It’s a criminal offence not to purchase sovereign debt each month

·         It’s a criminal offence to keep money outside the banking system

·         There are no elections

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:38 | 2539627 pods
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They will never get rid of elections.  

pods

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 15:59 | 2540644 Harvey Lee Oswald
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Agreed.

"If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal" -Emma goldman

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:24 | 2539574 Mesquite
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'Investors'...? What's that..?

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:39 | 2539631 CPL
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This is the point where gold and silver and oil get reall, really, really expensive btw.

 

No ratings + No value and that means flight from all paper..

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 12:26 | 2539830 scatterbrains
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Or it might also say,  don't test our resolve to prevent you from trying to escape our little fiat ponzi party because if we have to we'll outlaw private ownership of gold too.  Dare us bitchezz!

 

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 13:24 | 2539973 CPL
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Of course they will, but TPTB will have to figure out how to find it without anything mechanical to assist them.

 

With Oil moving out of the commoditiy class into the a full fledged currency, Governments and Armies of the world better understand one thing.  Print all the money you want for soldiers, tax collectors, assessors, "idea" men but it doesn't matter one bit of difference if the currency you are printing is worthless in comparison to the NEW currency of oil.

 

Let them print and assume that the status quo remains, reality is illustrating the unkindness of change of energy and economies. Ask India and Pakistan how the green energy revolution is going.

 

I'll go contrary on that investment to protect my assets and be prepared to fund my own projects and intiatives as required.  In five years five star generals will trade a tank and a platoon for 10,000 barrels of oil.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 13:05 | 2539957 TJ00
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Too much work, just sell everything, quickly!

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 18:35 | 2541061 beaker
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oh sweet Jesus! We're deep in the Twilight Zone now.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:16 | 2539529 bigwavedave
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thats too good! lol

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:26 | 2539583 vast-dom
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perhaps there will never be anything less than a melt up in the markets, forever and ever since the paper rumor idiocy contagion is all that's left.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:27 | 2539592 slaughterer
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Watch Obama do the same in a week or two, with the full blessing of all of Congress.   USA = AAAAAAA overnight

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 11:50 | 2539683 Alpo for Granny
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Ratings agencies are to banks/countries as PM's are to ______________.

A) Spiderman Towels

B) Thingamajigs

C) Fiat Money

D) JC Penny Stock

E) None of the above-All your ratings are belong to us.

Tue, 06/19/2012 - 17:19 | 2540872 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Alpo for Granny said:

Ratings agencies are to banks/countries as PM's are to ______________.

A) Spiderman Towels

B) Thingamajigs

C) Fiat Money

D) JC Penny Stock

E) None of the above-All your ratings are belong to us.

Answer: F) Pimps

because pimps like to own PMs.

BTW, it's summertime, so give Granny some Gaines-Burgers® to throw on the grill.

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