Europe Retorts To Geithner With Some Lecturing Of Its Own, Demands The World Promptly Fix Itself

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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:05 | 1685418 Timmay
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When do the missles start flying?? Krugman needs death and destruction to spur economic recovery...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:09 | 1685438 malikai
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Krugman's right, if the missiles hit his house. While he's in it.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:27 | 1685511 SheepDog-One
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And here's the ECB today after feasting on Euro junk bonds. Mr. Creosote Blows Up - YouTube

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:44 | 1685575 ManufacturedOpinion
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Is ANYBODY still listening to the liar idiot tribe member Jeethner ??

Kind of amazing, actually.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:09 | 1685675 franzpick
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Geithner, the ugly american, goes to europe to support the troika bailout:  he came, he saw, he concurred, and hopefully will be thrown out on his ass.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:47 | 1685587 jal
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Missles will reduce the number of consumers therefore reduce growth.

You need more people to get growth.

Soooo ... start enjoying your sex life and procreate.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:05 | 1685421 GeneMarchbanks
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Another sign we've entered de-globalization or is that debt deflation?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:07 | 1685425 Fukushima Sam
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Lol, I would like to call upon the rest of the world to "live in peace and harmony".

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:08 | 1685431 malikai
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So, just what is China supposed to do to "boost consumer demand"? Is that solely the role of their exchange rate? What exactly are they supposed to be suggesting here? Do they expect China to immediately float the Yuan and simultaneously QE5000 in order to bring about this consumeristic utopia in China which will gloriously and magnificently save the world?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:28 | 1685522 SheepDog-One
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China is not printing either, theyre raising rates.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:40 | 1685533 NoClueSneaker
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Floating Yuan is an general idea for almost 10 yrs, but the wonders are needed now ...

China raises the interests, shrinks the M2, fights the RE bubble with property taxes, raises the reserve requirements for the banks - and still suffers 6 % inflation. But, they are trying at least. Bernank makes them poorer every single day. Lot of T-bonds there.

Some wonder must happen tommorrow. Wizzards are working on it - BOOM!!!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:43 | 1685572 Smiddywesson
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So, just what is China supposed to do to "boost consumer demand"?

I'll take a stab at those questions.

The Chinese are encouraging their citizens to buy gold.  In the West, they are discouraging their citizens from buying gold.  When this blows up, and central banks ramp the price of gold, China's standard of living will go up, along with domestic demand.  Unfortunately, ours will go down.  But you can't bake a cake without breaking a few eggs. 

What exactly are they supposed to be suggesting here?

They are expecting you to buy equities with all the other good little lemmings and then after the inevitable collapse, swallow the lies that your "greed" in owning a flat screen TV or an SUV caused all of this.  They expect you to call them Maestro and adore their skills at saving us from all of the events they brought about. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:27 | 1685741 malikai
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I'll buy both parts as the plan. So then what does that make me? I've planted a flag in China, bought a bit of gold and silver, and left the US with my employable skillset. I must not be a "patriot". How long until there are no "patriots" left with either the tools or the desire to support the failed states?

"Any sufficiently advanced incompotence is indistinguishable from malice."

-Grey's Law

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:09 | 1685437 AldousHuxley
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Power is shifting westward:


Asia = land of opportunities

America = old money

Europe = communists

Middle East/Africa = China before industrialization

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:13 | 1685453 GeneMarchbanks
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Australia = the biggest fucking housing bubble on earth


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:24 | 1685487 lolmao500
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China would disagree.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:47 | 1685586 ManufacturedOpinion
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You know ... if you go far enough to the West, you wind up in the East.

Is that what you meant?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:05 | 1685667 TruthInSunshine
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Thomas Friedman said 'The Earth is Flat,' so there.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:18 | 1685468 Robslob
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:19 | 1685479 rajat_bhatia
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india has abundance of rotting food grains, Is greece willing to exchange them for greek GOLD Drachmas?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:47 | 1685590 ManufacturedOpinion
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Let 'em eat (rotten) cake.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:27 | 1685481 lolmao500
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on the United States and Japan to tackle their public deficits."

Right. Won't happen. Not in a million years. Doing so would mean epic deflation. GDP would crash 15% or so if deficit were to be cut to 0. No way the congress critters do that.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:47 | 1685588 Smiddywesson
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Does anyone see the irony of the EU complaining about US public deficits after US tax dollars were used to bail out their banks which they allowed to be leveraged 50 to 1?

This is all show.  These public statements are just a puppet show.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:49 | 1685595 ManufacturedOpinion
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Exactly.  The tribe just keeps using different "reasons" to make the same play over and over and over again.

Giving them our money.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:23 | 1685491 Die Weiße Rose
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fuck off Geitner ! How Goldman Sachs Helped Greece to Mask its True Debt

Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government to mask the true extent of its deficit with the help of a derivatives deal that legally circumvented the EU Maastricht deficit rules. At some point the so-called cross currency swaps will mature, and swell the country's already bloated deficit.,1518,676634,00.html

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:25 | 1685500 SheepDog-One
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Europe telling Geithner 'Fuck off back to your own brokeass nation, and BTW no we are not printing Euros'! The age of print and pump got the brakes put on.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:25 | 1685507 Robslob
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How soon we all forget Lord Lloyd has a defense attorney.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:33 | 1685534 msmith
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The Euro will increasingly fall against the USD in the coming days and weeks.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:35 | 1685542 SheepDog-One
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1 worthless fiat currency may rise or fall against another worthless overprinted worthless fiat currency, till the wheels fall off.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:34 | 1685539 youngandhealthy
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Tyler, as you know the US has been playing this "tune" for a long time...why is it "wrong" when the EU is playing the very same "song"?

Second, while the US is expanding their fiscal balance sheet Europe is consolidating theirs (and remember the aggregated EU fiscal deficit is far smaller than the US)....

Still Tyler is barking like a mad dog at both approaches.

What do you want Tyler?
What is your position?
Is it just to "talk-up" gold?

I'm confused over your thinking.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:36 | 1685544 SheepDog-One
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Piss off, troll.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:37 | 1685547 stateside
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Gold hasn't needed a "talk-up" by anyone over the last 10 years and doesn't need anyone to talk up gold now.  It will do quite nicely on it's own thank you.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:58 | 1685621 Smiddywesson
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Correction:  Gold hasn't needed a "talk-up" in 5000 years.

Average lifespan of a fiat currency: 27 years

Fiat always fails.  Fiat is incompatable with human behavior.  "By 1455, after over 600 years, the Chinese abandoned paper money due to numerous problems of over issuance and hyperinflation." (Wiki) 

The USD is the currency of the largest, richest, and most powerful country in the history of mankind.  That only bought the USD 40 years since we fully left the gold standard before it's come to be pretty much out of gas. 

Gold doesn't need any help.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:52 | 1685615 ManufacturedOpinion
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You're just fucking confused, period.

Look, you stupid fuck - I'll explain it to you.

The "tune" is the same everywhere.  And it's not "the US" or "Europe" or any of that drivel.

It's the Bankers against the Citizens.

Nationalities don't count at all.

They're in power (everywhere) and they're stealing our money and giving it to the tribe.

Clear, stupid fuck?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:50 | 1685838 youngandhealthy
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Comrade ManufacturedOpinion is probably what you listen to. You are talking like Marx and are using the same language.

Bankers against Citizens....

Communist PIG!!!!



Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:20 | 1685556 AdahPrice
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I don't get it.  If you unpeg your currency from the dollar, as Saddam Hussein and Qhadafi did, you get in serious trouble.  But if you peg your currency to the dollar, as China does, you get nagged to "stop doing that".

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:42 | 1685563 jm
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What a bunch of dumbasses.  They make tax-dodger Timmy look with it.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:45 | 1685580 slewie the pi-rat
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just another day in the central bankster-orchestrated dog & pony show

wouldn't it be "funny" & also strangely "coincidental" if benzelbub wraps up the upcoming 2-day FED meeting and sez:

  • QE = operation chubby checker +
  • QE = lowering overnight rates by .25%
  • the US pols must tackle the out-of-control-deficits problem
  • china should allow its currency to rise further, faster, in order to maintain some semblance of healthy ongoing global demand
  • the CBs are working on "consolidation" of debt
  • we've bought the EU three months, but we need to get to work on our problems, NOW, too!


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:49 | 1685596 SheepDog-One
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I laughed yesterday when some politician on the Sunday talking heads show said 'We've cut $1 trillion dollars 10 years from we're good'.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:02 | 1685654 Smiddywesson
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I had a serious face-to-face with Mrs. Smiddy last night and we agreed to cut $60 trillion from the family budget over the next ten years.  So we're coming into money and volunteer to help you guys out in 2021.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:45 | 1685582 PulauHantu29
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EU int rates = Zero for years to come.....


....the entire Globe seems to be in a decade long stagflation cycle, eh?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:06 | 1685666 Smiddywesson
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They are all cooperating in kicking the can, and are going to try a reset, but you can't sustain a system based on debt and growth when populations are aging.  The can forgive some of the debt, and they can ramp the price of their gold, but they can't get mom and pop to start buying in retirement.  Unless they start dying off, you can bet on this lasting for multiple decades.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:48 | 1685592 pcrs
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hilareous to see how all the crooks give each other lessons in morality.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:51 | 1685605 SheepDog-One
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Geithner going to Europe as an economic advisor is like having an end of the line heroin junkie as an Alcoholics Anonymous counselor.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:33 | 1685767 ManufacturedOpinion
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Or maybe a wolf in charge of the henhouse.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:02 | 1685653 Peter K
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How in the world can we return to building Socialism if those damn Septics don't return to take their rightful place as the buyers of last resort?  Pass the bottle of Avian bitte:)

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:19 | 1685693 AdahPrice
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