Europe: We've Done All We Can, Now It's America's Turn To Help
Cue the fireworks in 3...2...1...
- FRIEDEN EUROPEANS CAN'T DO MUCH FOR GREECE BEYOND AGREEMENT - BBG
- FRIEDEN: GREECE NEEDS STRUCTURAL REFORMS, SHORT-TERM FINANCING - BBG
- FRIEDEN: GREECE HAS HISTORY OF PROBLEMS IMPLEMENTING DECISIONS - BBG
- FRIEDEN: GREECE SHOULDN'T BE IN EURO-ZONE IF CONDITIONS NOT MET - BBG
And... drumroll please:
- FRIEDEN SAYS HE WISHES U.S. MORE INVOLVED IN STRENGTHENING IMF - BBG
Translation: Hey America, we've done all we can, now it's your turn to sustain the Ponzi. Because if we go, you go.
The upside: think of just how much faster the latest and gratest $16.4 trillion debt target will be breached if America simply issues Greek bonds with a US guarantee. Like it did in that other foreign policy success story - Egypt.
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YES WE CAN YES WE CAN.
Roses are red
violets are blue
America is full of pussies
And they need to grow some balls too.
Dear Ben, I would like a Batman costume, a watergun
And a Trillion of your delicious $ugar...
Hurry up and get Ron Paul elected so this nonsense won't even be entertained!
http://ronpaul2012blog.blogspot.com/
My attitude has become one of a defeatist on Ron Paul. It's obvious both sides of the aisle wish Ron to shut the fuck up. Don't get me wrong, my car will still be decorated with Ron Paul garb, I will donate, and campaign for him, but the politcal cards are completely stacked against moving the status quo toward liberty. There are still a majority that live in the Red/blue team mentality and can't get out of their idealogical box even if the evidence is overwhelming. My heart aches, mind boggles, and liver goes into overdrive to accomodate the actions of the zombies around me.
Next stop full blown withdrawal of consent, paying federal taxes, and prepare for assholes with guns to tell me otherwise.
Roses are cars
Violets are buckets
This poem makes no sense
Boobies
They want you to be defeated. Perfect, plan is working. Instead of defeat why not get to work.
RP positions should attract older voters, most olders are more suspicious of the government, they didn’t grow up sharing their life on social media. We tell them that RP protects our privacy, give examples. Explain about new government laws to spy on us. The best thing over all for the big blocks of votes is senior citizen homes. Seniors are starved for attention , they look forward for visitors who come to talk about their candidate, better to take voter registration forms before the deadline, then you go back on election day with a big bus to take them to the precinct it’s almost a guarantee block of votes. For senior homes talking about Paul’s foreign policy, his past vote to support Israel’s bombing of Iran’s nuclear site, his suspicion of large government would win votes.
We have the greatest military and veteran support, why not use this support to guard the polling sites for RP’s strongest precincts. Of course we can’t guard every one, but should be able to guard the best ones. Veterans could pass out information at the polling booth and talk to people of why they support RP.
RP needs the big names now, Peter Thiel, Jim Rogers, Gereld Celente, Vince Vaughn, to quote their support so he gets in the fucked up news before we have our own fair media. Also alternative venues for Ron Paul to speak, anyone know of people in TV shows who will give him airtime, to attract many viewers like from Jay Leno night.
They control the vote count, the media and most things in between. It is not about being defeated, it is about being brutally honest of what is going on around you. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Power in numbers. Vets can take pictures of tally at end of night to stop electronic voting machine fraud. We can swamp the status quo, if we get to work, but maybe it's easier for you to give up.
RP positions should attract older voters...
No way. As soon as word gets out he'd want to cut Medicare/SocSec, you'd be kissing any potential senior support GOODBYE.
This is why there's absolutely no hope of a political solution. The older folks who are claiming to be upset about the deficit are drawing the greatest benefit from it.
Bullshit, you must be Santorum's man.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/ron-paul-i-will-preserve-me...
I'm my own man, moron. Ron Paul can't win the presidency because his party won't nominate him.
Letting people "opt out" of Medicare *is* cutting it unless he's going to suddenly change his mind about deficit spending and agree that it's all just fine.
Take a look at the budget and tell me what you think he's going to cut that's going to pay for about a $2T annual Medicare/SocSec hole.
You're fucking strawman. Go back to frothy boy. Anyone paying attention knows what it is asshole.
Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid: Paul says he wouldn't scrap Social Security and Medicare. His plan "honors our promise to our seniors and veterans," meaning that those currently in the programs could stay in them. But he would like to allow younger workers to opt out of the Social Security system and the payroll taxes it imposes--although the details of how he would accomplish this are unclear.
"Dr. Paul is committed to fully funding Social Security and Medicare while we work a transition to allow young workers the freedom to save for their own retirement," Jesse Benton, the national chairman of Paul's presidential campaign, told Yahoo News.
Benton implied that the Social Security and Medicare payments for current retirees--paid for by payroll taxes on younger workers under the current system--would be provided by radically reducing the American military footprint around the globe, along with other cuts. "It will require cuts elsewhere, but we can save hundreds of billions of dollars a year by bringing troops home, ending foreign welfare and overseas nation building and providing a stronger national defense here at home," Benton said. "If we cut and work hard, we can take care of our seniors who rely on their Medicare and Social Security."
We left Europe.....and fought a war to be left alone.
We're not going back to help.
As a member of the "older voters" I support RP and yes his desire to cut Medicare/SS. Admittedly there are few of us, but we do exist...and we talk with our peers. There may be no political solution and perhaps the time has long passed to attempt it, but this will resolve itself in spite of us.
I don't believe that any of us set out to exploit our children. I'm reminded of the old saw...we get too soon old and to late smart.
"U.S. Representative from Texas and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul took a step away from Republican Party orthodoxy on Friday, as he stood apart with only three other Republican members of Congress voting against the attack on Medicare.
The vote was on the 2012 budget, proposed by Representative Paul Ryan. The budget included a plan to completely destroy Medicare.
Ron Paul voted no. So did Walter Jones, David McKinley, and Dennis Rehberg."
He voted no because he wanted more spending cuts but other sources give you his point of view to give people a choice, to transition into cuts, or cuts not necessary if cut spending in other places.
The solution will resolve itself in spite of us indeed. I have not given up by any means. Five years of my life have been dedicated to the effort of liberty (I am but 33), along with the fruits of my labor, and the ear of all who I come in contact with. Parades, TV apperances, published letters in local rags, visits to Congressmen, all sorts of shit that took away from my days of putting in chipping greens, pools, and tiki huts to my back yard slice of paradise. I am reserving myself to the outcome of currency crisis and perhaps those around me will remeber the verbal footprints to my past statements of liberty - just like the good man Dr. Paul set out to do in his congressional history.
Has anyone told these fukwads we're broke too?
I like your passion whistle blower. The debate here seems to be either mutiny or let the ship sink and drown the captains. I haven't given up on the ship yet. Does anyone know of the actual delegates awarded so far to the GOP field? I can't find it anywhere.
I have tried to relay the Ron Paul Campaign strategy and I have tried to explain how it's about getting DELEGATES and not winning the states. Well... we finally got a little bit of sunshine in the mainstream media as Rachel Madow has finally broken the story that RON PAUL IS LEADING IN THE DELEGATE COUNT! Here's the broadcast: http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=17722 Amazing story isn't it?! And it fits in perfectly with the Road to Roota analysis: SPECIAL REPORT: The "Good Guys" Election Strategy http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/795.cfm
So hang in there all you Ron Paul faithful. WE ARE WINNING AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IT! May the Road you choose be the Right Road.
Bix Weir www.RoadtoRoota.com
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Awww . . . Sarge sez shut the fuck up, you dumb bastards. Pretty soon we'll all be in the army, eating soylent green and fighting WWIII against the whole rest of the fucking world and you know what? We'll kick their ass--russkies, chinese, commies, afrikans, europeans, south americans, all of 'em. Bring 'em on, this is our big star turn in history, the moment we get to have a big planet-wide cathartic bloodbath so we can all forget that it was only over some fucking piles of play money that some banksters stole or printed, I forget which.
Dear Dick: We have an eye doctor here named Richard Ripper, just thought you would get a kick out of that. But, I have sadly come to the same conclusion re RP. Even with his second place and pretty strong finish the other day, I do not see any future in his campaign unless he runs third party.
And I am as depressed and upset about it as anyone here, but the fact is the GOP is not going to nominate him. Half the GOP seems to want ANYBODY that can be considered electable against Barry O. and the other half are sticking to their cult convictions with the likes of Santorum (GOOGLE: santorum (san-TOR-um) n.
1. The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter
that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.
Part of the reason I am so depressed about it all is that it simply will not matter which party elects the next president, both sides are worse than the other and will preside over the total ruin of America. RP was the last shot at fixing the deeply sick nation, and that hope is now gone. One need not buy guns and ammo, nor fear the consequences of not paying the taxman, just leave, go to a warmer better place, Costa Rica, Panama. I am at an age where it is a bit early to start the long decline into the infirmity of old age and eventually the dirt nap, but I may head out early for it because staying here is so damned hard to watch as the nation implodes all around us.
@Silver Bug
It will take a hell of a lot more than electing one man to solve the situation that our country finds itself in. Even if Ron Paul were to win the Republican nomination, he wouldn't be able to single handedly get rid of all the rot. And we all know that he won't win the nomination. If he did, it would mean we have a real Democracy instead of the Banana Republic that we know we are living in with the corporate media covering the 'election' that the monopolists want and the sheeple following the media's lead on what to think and who to vote for.
The best thing would be for everyone that is unhappy with the corruption of our Democracy to vote for Ron Paul as a vote against the system, writing him him and getting as many votes as possible. This would serve to show that it would be possible to get a third party elected, some day in the future.
For this to happen, people need to wake up and stop being afraid that the other party may win.
Unfortunately, for now, people still believe that there is a huge difference between the parties and until the propaganda stops working on them, or they stop drinking the Kool Aid by turning off the mainstream media, this will remain the case and we will remain on the current destructive path to serfdom.
I hate to be such a doomer but this will be the last election that matters. All others from here on out will be token elections. The NWO is on the verge. They will spring into total control after the war. Count on it.
Quite Right - the numbers are irrefutable - look at the debt when Bush took office and the debt today - and then watch the Chris Martenson videos on exponetial numbers.
It's not Deceptocrats or RepubliCONs, it's the men behind the curtain. And Maybe this election will make a difference but most likely not because all the Congress Critters want is another term in office at any cost.
Greece is our future, by design. We can try (with votes, calling Congress, etc) but more effort has to be expended on preparing ourselves rather than on trying to change a government hell-bent on self-destruction.
If I were a Greek and 3 years ago had estimated the current now, I would have bought gold with every paycheck - if the country goes from the Euro back to the Drachma, I would have a convertable/intermediate currency (that, by the way, would have appreciated by 30+% over those 3 years).
Look at where we've come in the last 3 years and project out another 3 years. Math is simple, clean, and it's hard to hide basic truths without smoke and mirrors and eventually (like in Greece), the smoke and mirrors fail those that say the Emperor has beautiful Robes.
Semper Paratus, The Navigator
You heard 'em fellas. Fiat-tipped tomahawk cruise missiles should do the trick.
Pardon my ignorance, who/what is Frieden?
Luxembourg's Minister of Finance Luc Frieden
thx
I've been confused, too, as 'Frieden' means 'peace' in German.
Peace :D
@Ghordius - You forgot the Skittle-shitting unicorn! Or maybe that was understood...
YES WE CAN KICK THIS CAN.
There, I Fixed It for You.
"YES WE CAN KICK THIS CAN". It becomes to late for doing so. No, we are reaching an endgame.
It became perfectly clear: Greece will promise everything and do, as always, nothing. Its socialist state was too good for the people. They are used to get a lot for doing close to nothing.
In April, Greece will have a general election. Do not be surprise to see that an overwhelming majority of today politicians will be reelected. Banksters intended to enslave Greek people. I don't think it is possible short of military occupying Greece.
It appears that Obama and the FED have a problem. After all, it is an election year in America.
Pink Floyd - Money
Money
Well, get back
I'm all right Jack
Keep your hands off of my stack
Pass this bill!!!!
Bring it to my desk, I'll sign it Right away!!!!
HAHAhahaha... I thought they knew that all the news about America's "recovery" was propaganda.
Jcia, an American Rose is still red but, they even screw'd up that, the roses they sell have long ago lost their smell. To get a red Rose that smells like a rose you have to find it from a home garden now.
If I recall the same thing has happened to the Red Apple. They used billions of tax dollars to make the "Red Apple'' more red and ended up killing the taste. Then they spent billions more tax dollars trying to get the taste back.
Unbelievable... The only thing these screwballs can grow is ...the black hole.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDildwFFFWU&feature=channel_video_title
jcia,what does Europe begging the US to throw good money after bad have to do with pussies? The IMF doesn't have a remit to bail out a region or currency union, only a country. That isn't the problem here. We don't frankly want our nation's pussies to grow balls. Peripheral europe tried the other version, balls to pussies, and that didn't work either. Europe is, decade after decade, full of problems they want or need some other region or nation to fix. That's over. Defend yourselves. Not our problem. They're your Germans. Deal with it, punk.
They want the US to contribute big time to stop this, if not they will throw their hands up.
We all know it's coming eventually.
Hoses are sprayed
Violence, it grew
Uhmurkins are asleep
In a debt crisis stew
America is full of pussies?
Personally I think it takes nerves of steel, iron balls, and the brains of Yosimite Sam to do what were doing when it's blatantly obvious it's Custar's last stand. You should be more grateful to our sacrifice :D
Suck it, Europe.
We're busy with our own quagmire.
unfortunately there is no true decoupling in this quagmire -- everything now is inextricably linked and it's just a matter of time and how clever the offloading is of the Great Unwind.
But, but, OUR global bankers? They need us...
Our digital wizards...
Yes, without them, life as we know it....
the euro problems ARE the US's created quagmire
Come on. It was *somewhat* consensual.
Of course you are right. I forgot how we held a gun to Europe's head and forced them to create an economic union.
But when England calls and says, "hey, come on over here and do your deals! We don't have regulations, much less regulators. We don't have supervision, no supervisors, and don't worry about the law, there isn't any!
Can't be too many other reasons why UK can be 1000% in debt to GDP and not be Greeced.
I'm talking about the housing bubble that set it all of, but yes it was consensual, but dont come whining that the IMF has to bail europe out with american dollars, you and your banksters owe it to europe, that said its all so interlinked everything will come down no matter which continent goes first.
The housing bubble didn't set it all off. Housing was a symptom, not the cause.
Housing bubble was a means to an end.
Giggity Giggity Goo
I have a wish list too.
No more bailouts!
Charles Ponzi would be proud
GO BEN GO! PRINTING TIMEEEEEEEEEE
We need to get to that dow 15,000 or dow 17,000 just like the cover story of Barron's said today!! I almost died laughing when I saw the cover of the paper when I was leaving the supermarket today:
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB500014240527487044446045772072236171...
Dear ECB,
Go fuck yourself.
Sincerely,
Uncle Sam
Dear ECB,
You provide the ink, we'll supply the paper.
Sincerely,
Rudy von Bernankenstein
@cossack55
I think Gordon has a funnier line, but you got the answer right, unfortunately for the US and its' tax paying units - I'd love to recover the Hank Paulson interview where he called us sheeple/taxpayers "tax paying units".
If Uncle Sam didn't have a dick he'd be 'Aunt Sam'...
Dear Uncle Sam, give back the gold, I'm waiting since 1971.
The ECB, On behalf of France
Dear Europe,
We understand your desire to have become a continent of book burning, Jew hating, German speakers, then Russian speakers. Perhaps we can reinstall that Continental Soviet app, if you are dissatisfied with the current outcome? You are also welcome for the free medical innovation your social democracies used to buy votes through your "universal" sick care.
We are reluctant to remind France that the Nixon Shock came after it had fucked up Vietnam.
Till then STFU,
Sincerely,
Uncle Who's Yo Daddy
P.S. I normally don't play the 'Merican Exceptionalism tripe, but this post was too hard to resist.
You better start learning Russian, Nanny. If you want to survive in the next world.
Fuck Putin and the KGB asshats he rode in on...rhetorically of course, I like my drinks cold, not my megalomaniacal presumed masters.
Dear Uncle Who's Yo Daddy
you get a +1 from me for being aware of Nixon's Shock and Vietnam. ;-)
P.S. I normally also don't play this game, but the "fuck ECB" post was too hard to resist, too...
P.S.S. we try hard not to burn books or to hate Jews since quite a while now - honest!
What gold? We sold the gold... we're long GLD now. Kramer said it's a buy, buy, buy!!!
Dear Uncle Sam, give back the gold, I'm waiting since 1971.
The ECB, On behalf of France
How 'bout you take back the Statue of Liberty, we aren't using it anymore anyway.
We can't buy Greek bonds, we are too busy buying AAPL. Go away, so that our stock pickign dog can tell us what to buy.
Yes, that was quite a segment on CNBC. For those that missed it, by setting up some food and feeding a dog in front of screens that listed "dogs of the dow", CNBC told us what stock was about to break out.
I think the companies were JPM, BAC, AA and HP.
Then they spent the rest of the day hyping Dow 15k becuase, "multiples are cheap".
So are $50 whores. You get what you pay for.
50 bucks??? try a tall boy and a pack of smokes...two blocks from here...she'd scare a dog off a gut wagon but can suck the nuts off a passing bus
Lemme guess... no teeth... all rotted out.
Lassie is competing for Jim Cramer's spot? Damn outsourcing!
maybe santa will bring greece, oh wait it's february, too early for santa. bitchez
Or too late.
fuck no
Adios Mo Fo! Europe, you're on your own now!
LMAO extend and pretend. the bagholders deserve what they are about to get!
I can't read your avatar. Does it say "Biggest Ponzi Ever?"
Was there ever any doubt? This is how globalism works, great for the Mishpucka.
Que the Bennie Bucks! The can must be kicked at all costs!!!!
Greek po po is fed up with years of riots. Won't turn on their brothers, sisters nor grandma and grandpa.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/13/us-greece-violence-idUSTRE81C1OK20120213
fyi, Frieden is the Luxemborg Finance Minister
Now, can the Fed give money to the IMF or can that only come from the Treasury. Treasury is blocked since they would probably need Congressional approval to hand out more fake money. The Fed is a different story.
Translation Translation: America, you run the mother of all Ponzis.
More true than most appreciate. The EU wants moar moneez.
The sad fact is, when Greece starts the house of cards crashing down, it will eventually
trigger our crash too. What the hell, lets get it over with. The sooner we start over, the
sooner the recovery.