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The European Bailout-And-Borrow Train Has Run Out Of Track

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The first instinct of any card-carrying Eurocrat is to reach for his wallet, or as clear-thinking MEP Daniel Hannan points out, someone else's wallet. His prophetic words with regard the bailout-and-borrow bandwagon, that Europe remains on, running out of track are so critical that they bear repeating as he remains incredulous that his fellow MEPs still see the one solution to a debt crisis as yet more debt...


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Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:29 | 2241616 bank guy in Brussels
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We are close to the end of Merkelism and this German EU-supervision nonsense. The revolt is already underway; Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the UK Telegraph is describing it pretty well.

We are past 'Peak EU' which was perhaps 2010 or so. With the Spanish revolt and others about to join, including likely France after Hollande wins the upcoming election, Merkelism will soon be finished.

They have temporarily pushed this thing onto the Greeks because the Greeks feel vulnerable in that far corner, so close to all the sh*t going on in the Middle East and Asia.

But it won't work in Western Europe, where the people-in-the-street revolutionary spirit will back rebellious governments. The anti-EU sentiment is building here in the Low Countries too.

The EU will become more as Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan see it - a trade etc. association, not a violation-of-sovereignty machine.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:52 | 2241676 Rip van Wrinkle
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You jest, of course. The vast majority are completely and utterly unaware of what is about to be done to them. They simply don't care. They're stupid. They've been brainwashed. Western Europe is no different from the US.


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:09 | 2241690 DavidPierre
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The world is saved!

Greece is bailed out!

At least for today.

Everyone is so busy running on the gerbel treadmill just to stay afloat that they miss what is most important.

Maybe this is the problem... everyone is so broke, they can't even pay attention.

But the market is already discounting the new bonds that will be issued. Lo and behold! We see an inverted yield curve and interest rates over 20%. So before the ink has even hit the paper, the marketplace is making odds on a second default? This shouldn't really be a shock. We have already seen this with General Motors, AIG, Citi, Bank of America etc. but no one is paying attention.

News has come out of rumblings amongst the German people and Swiss to audit their Gold holdings held both at home and abroad. This thought process should not be a shocker. Certainly logical ... given the global fraud now consistently taken for granted.

Much of their Gold is held at the NY Federal Reserve. It will be interesting to see what an audit produces if/when one is even done. It will also be interesting if/when this sentiment begins to spread to other nations.

We are now 15+ years into a gold supply deficit that has averaged 1,500 tonnes/year. Physical supply 2,500 tonnes/year ... and not growing even with current prices ... while demand has been 4,000 tonnes/year and growing. These demand numbers are probably underestimated as giant Chinese demand is barely accounted for and even surprised the bean counting clerks at GFMS and the World Gold Council.

This supply deficit has now been going on for quite some time. Just do the math!

1,500 tonnes/ year for 15 years equals how much? 22,500 tonnes. The central banks are purported to hold how many tonnes collectively? 32,000 tonnes?

Ask the logical question! Where does this supply deficit come from?

From scrap? Ever wonder how much scrap can be delivered by giddy housewives selling their Gold at their local mall's 'Cash for Gold' rip-offs?

The supply deficit has lasted quite some time. Frank Veneroso's numbers, from early last decade show that we must be somewhere close to the bottom of the gold barrel.

"Quite some time" it has been hasn't it ...don't forget! The CFTC is conducting a vigorous audit of the Silver market ... for 4 fucking long years! 

Some perspective.  Any branch manager for a retail broker is subject to a surprise audit at any time and naturally an annual audit. Everything is looked at; every transaction, every check into and out of the office, communications, advertising etc., everything. There is a paper trail for anything and everything that is done today.

There cannot ever be a situation where money just evaporates like happened at MF Global. It was stolen.

Every single trade on every single exchange for over the last 20 years can be accounted for today. If a regulator wants to see all the trades, for say IBM, that occured on a day 12 years ago ... no problem. You want to see all of the soybean trades from a couple months ago? No problem!

You want to see all of the trades, who did them, in what size, over what time frame, were they limit orders, market orders or whatever? No problem whatsoever! Unless you are talking about MF the Silver market.

The CFTC investigating Silver ... a fucking joke.

All they need to do is go back and pull all the trades from any day ... or consecutive days where waterfall action took place. Who were the big sellers, did they try to maximize their sale price or did they dump millions of paper ounces as sloppily as they could? After you do this, look for another waterfall day ... plentiful as you know. Do the investigative process again. Are the sellers the same? Pick a third day and so on. Easy as pie! But no, we are going on 4 fucking years and what do we have?


The silence is deafening. At least they hope!

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 18:12 | 2243743 BigJim
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Black Eagle Trust?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:00 | 2241692 americanspirit
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Hi Rip VW - I think you'll find that Bank Guy in Brussels is right about Europeans taking to the streets and backing rebel leaders. Western Europe is not the US - they have been through multiple wars in living memory that destroyed their economies and societies, they have seen what dictators can do, and they have had plenty of experience with bringing down bad governments. Western Europeans are completely different from Americans - and from each other too, of course. I have great faith in the ability of Europeans to take back control of their destiny - unlike Americans who are, by and large, brainwashed sheep. Oh and something else - unlike American police and soldiers, European police and military are generally reluctant to shoot citizens who are protesting because they know if they do that the mob will attack and overwhelm them. In the US a few rounds of tear gas and everyone runs boo-hooing off to their mommy.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:33 | 2241916 moneyline
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You underestimate American's taste for violence. The people at the Occupy movements are yuphippies. If things get as bad here in the States as they are in Gypsyland we would have a civil war on our hands that would make the Greece riots look like a game of dodgeball. Of course our military and police would come down hard on the perps, but there will be blood.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 01:48 | 2242626 eatthebanksters
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If social unrest breaks out in the US and gets to the point where it spreads across the country with violence in major cities, the police and the military will pull back until the worst of the fighting is over and things simmer down.  That is the official plan and don't ask me how I know.  They (police and military) understand that in a confrontation which spreads nationally that they are overwhelmingly out manned and out gunned, even with superior firepower.  Just remember what they did during the Rodney King riots in LA...redux, just on a larger scale.  If you live in the cities, either be ready to get out in a hurry or have a group you can huddle with that has food and firepower.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 03:52 | 2242747 Transformer
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Yes, and I do hope this thing with the guns can be worked out peacefully.  I think if the president was to nationally announce the clear need to retrieve all the guns, in a openly stated message that underlines our need for peace and non violence, that Americans would go along with it, willingly.  After all we do not need violence and killing.  Civil war is not the answer.  It's obvious that the politicos have gotten slightly out of hand with some of the bills being passed lately, but our most cherished institution, free and open elections will set that all straight in Novermber.  The democratic process has worked admirably in the past and will keep this country strong and free for many years to come.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 06:47 | 2242820 Nussi34
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So Eurobonds are such a smart idea (=pooling of debt) why don´t we try pooling of means of production? That must worl well too! OOps some have already tried this before!

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 08:18 | 2242874 ilion
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I guess it's all really bullish. Gonna buy stocks with all my money I have left once the markets open on Monday. I'm being ironic.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 16:23 | 2243549 jwoop66
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You either don't have a /sarc key or you don't own any guns.



"from my cold dead hands!"

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 18:14 | 2243746 BigJim
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Hmmm. Is this a new MDB?

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:14 | 2242650 LowProfile
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Of course our military and police would come down hard on the perps

Maybe at first.  But if the perps are their friends and family?  I'll take the under on that, thank you very much.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 12:11 | 2243088 LawsofPhysics
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There you go.  America still has a volunteer military force.  One that is very much awake and standing behind Ron Paul.  They will let the weekend warrior riot police rush in first, but should friends and family get caught in the cross fire, no fucking doubt precisely who the members of the military will fire upon.


Sat, 03/10/2012 - 18:18 | 2243753 BigJim
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The US military will do what soldiers almost always do - obey orders.

I wish it were otherwise, but I very much doubt US soldiers are any more moral than any others throughout history.

By definition, if you join an army that has fought a score of wars in the last 60 years, none of them defensive, you aren't particularly worried about murdering people... if your officers tell you they're really, really bad people and need to die for the collective.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 03:12 | 2242721 FlyoverCountryS...
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Occutards are puzzues...

Outside of the very few hard-core University Marxists, the Mentally ill, and the homeless, it's a bunch of useful idiot kids who think it's "Cool!", because MSNBC told them it was.

When they realized they might actually have to LIVE like this, and daddy cut off the allowance and credit cards, the occutards disappeared as fast as they showed up. I saw several of these demonstrations in person, and I never laughed so hard as I did at the obviously college-kid idiot at "Occupy Fremont Street, with the "DOWN WITH CAPITALISM!" sign, wearing a Diesel shirt, designer jeans, and nikes, posting pics of himself in the demo on his iPhone.

Talk about somebody that doesn't get it!


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:12 | 2242042 moonman
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Don't ever underestimate the will of the American citizens. Plus we are armed to the teeth

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 16:32 | 2243565 jwoop66
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At what point of European history are you referring?   Plenty of revolutions, sure, but when have they ever been replaced with something better? They are all Socialists, and going broke!  You ever read any articles on ZH about Europe?   The continent has been populated since the dawn of civilization and yet today does not have a govt as old as the US.

In the US so far, whenever teargas is used it is against OWS types and rioting racial groups.  Yeah, they scatter.  When Joe Sixpack gets gassed there will be hell to pay. 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:49 | 2241805 RSDallas
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I tend to agree with you RIP.  I keep telling myself that this new digital age is going to be the catalyst that educates the millions of people who lack the knowledge of how we have and are being screwed.  My only fear is that the youth of America say ages 16-30 have been seriously misled to the point that they believe they truly believe that the Government is in fact the only solution to even their basic needs.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:56 | 2241677 MillionDollarBonus_
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I have seen many libertarians naively criticise and disparage the idea of "bailing out" large financial institutions. This is very devious, as on the surface it appears to make sense to many well meaning Americans. However, with a little more thought it is perfectly obvious that tax payers actually benefit from this transfer. To quote Hank Paulson (former US treasury secretary):

"As first responders to an unprecedented crisis that threatened the destruction of the modern financial system, we had little choice but to bail out the banks" 

It is an inconvenient truth to libertarians, doomers and other crackpots that modern interventions (or bailouts) are in fact a necessary and powerful economic tool for maintaining a healthy and stable economy.


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:21 | 2241741 MsCreant
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You must laugh your ass off writing this shit! To tears. Aneurysm even.  

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 23:11 | 2242325 CompassionateFascist
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U have to admit it's beautifully done. Even tho U know its just provocation, U cannot resist hitting that red arrow. There are mock turtles, and mock trolls.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 00:54 | 2242529 mkhs
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Yeah, Pavlov's dog  and Pavlov's monkeys with keyboards.  Every time he posts, you can't help yourself.  He controls the thread for the next 100 comments thanks to Pavlov's monkeys with keyboards.



Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:35 | 2242681 MsCreant
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Lighten up. I figure those who answer or hit a down arrow are working through stuff. That is what this site is for. Tyler could be doing it for all we know, grist for the mill.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 03:34 | 2242735 mkhs
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It just saddens me to see so many free thinkers diverted and manipulated by this Pavlovian trick.  ZH's equivalent of Dancing with the stars.  Carry on, then.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:33 | 2243199 Nobody For President
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I have had that thought as well - it's a Tyler spicing things up - but lately it has become a bit too heavy-handed. The earlier posts were really good; right on the edge of 'is he for real?' But lately he has started putting it on a bit too thick - but still good enough to hook new newbies (I'm getting on to being an old newbie.)

Still could be a Tyler though. Needs to dial it down just a tad...

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 16:08 | 2243517 mkhs
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I prefer to believe it is not Tyler.  What would be the point in posting the articles and then confusing, distracting, and diverting the conversation?  It is more in line with disinformation and spam: hiding anything of value in an avalanche of partisan rebuttal. 

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 18:06 | 2243732 MsCreant
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And of course, if it is a standard troll, we just dished up some good grub with the speculation. 

I think the troll puts good thought into trying to reconstruct what, possibly, could be a pro system stance. It comes close to hanging together as an coherent logic system, but not quite.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:36 | 2242682 MsCreant
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Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:48 | 2241803 Stackers
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No what it is an inconvienent truth to libertarians, doomers and other crackpots that modern interventions are in fact a necessary and powerful economic tool for maintaining a SICK FRAUD OF A FINANCIALIZED ECONOMY BUILT ON NOTHING BUT PAPER DREAMS AND FANASTIES BEING PASSED AROUND AS WEALTH AND PRODUCTIVITY.


Fixed that for you

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:53 | 2241823 imaginalis
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I would love to cook you and Joann Smith a nice half pound pink slime burger medium well

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:56 | 2241829 Reese Bobby
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Exactly.  All my charitable giving goes to JP Morgan.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:58 | 2241835 cosmictrainwreck
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"...libertarians, doomers and other crackpots..." LMAO.... guilty as charged, ass-wipe

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:04 | 2241857 GernB
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Your assertion would seem to be that it is impossible for any scheme whatsoever to protect someone un-involved in doing business with a bank from the actions of that bank and the people it does business with. Or to protect the people without protecting the banks. I'm sorry, but that's just crazy. The inconvient truth is there's a "one world" crowd who doesn't want people to be protected from each other because it weakens the case for larger and more powerful governments and institutions. They are not looking to protect anyone, they want people to be dependent.

They see regulations designed to protect people from irresponsible bank lending as a threat to "affordable housing" initiatives and their ability to bribe taxpayers with promises of an "ownership society" where everyone can own a house. So they take down every regulation, law and barrier that stands in their way until they';ve built a system where massive numbers of bad home loans are being bundled into derivatives and funneled into wall street as if they were triple 'A' rated investments. Those people who saw it comming and warned of it years before were called crackpots and doomsayers just as you are doing now. Then when this government created nightmare all falls appart, the creators of the mess tell us "there was nothing we could do." And have the gall to blame their corruption, incompetence and interference in housing markets on "wall street greed."

They are actively seeking to tear down protections because the allow people to stand on their own feet. It's the only way they can solidify their power and sell the idea that it's not possible to protect one person from another.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 01:54 | 2242632 eatthebanksters
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There is actually some wisdom in your words...what you left out was the part where the systemically (sp?) dangerous institutions need to be broken up (damn the lack of competitiveness on the world stage) and where the crooks that got us into this mess need to face justice in front of a jury of their peers.  Only then will financial security and stability return. While the game is rigged only fools and indentured servants will participate.  My guess is when the shit hits the fan, you'll be one of the assholes getting stomped by your ungrateful and ignorant minions.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:38 | 2242684 CvlDobd
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You need a vacation bro. I used to upvote you all the time because I thought your shit was hilarious. It hasn't grown stale but thin. You need to regroup and come back with the SUPER THICK sarcasm that got the dumbass members here all hot and bothered.


Those were the good old days.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 07:15 | 2242833 MolotovCockhead
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You must be more ignorant than a retarded toad to quote Hank Paulson to convince ZH readers! The same crook who gave himself a waiver from the ethics agreement on the Goldman Sachs shares deal and pocketed $200 million without paying any tax for it.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 14:25 | 2262696 MeelionDollerBogus
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can you inconveniently supply the benefit, quantified in dollars earned, or quantified in jobs, or quantified in savings for the tax-payers?

Taxes didn't go down, costs of living didn't go down, debt did go up, savings did go down, jobs did go down, so where is this benefit?

There is no promise of return of the money much less promise of a gain. There is no consent so the reduction up-front to tax-payers is theft. There's no legal obligation to get a profitable return from the bailout. There's no way to collect on those companies when they go bankrupt.

So just what kind of troll-job do you think you're pulling here? At least try to think through the details if you want to be a pro-troll instead of a noob-troll, mini-B.

So far that I can see the modern financial system gives no benefit even at top-capacity of operations to all the tax-payers and it's certainly operating in WORSE conditions, costing more than normal, returning less than normal, and "normal" returns were a loss due to hidden fees & loan frauds.

Just what kind of game are you playing at?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:27 | 2241757 q99x2
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How's bout going after the few top families that have terrorised the world and stolen its money and save yourself the trouble of a revolution this time.

Anyhow you're going to be gettin a dose of drone soon to put a little peace in your protests. That should keep you quiet if you do decide to go the wrong route.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:22 | 2242663 LowProfile
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Anyhow you're going to be gettin a dose of drone soon

What frequency does that broadcast on, again?

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:31 | 2242679 MsCreant
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Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:45 | 2241797 Stackers
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And "eurocrats" will go down kicking and screaming and pull every punch in the bag to keep that from happening. The Euro project as a whole is and was always just a means to an end for those people. One World Democratic Solicialism. They will not give up on this dream easily. They infest the upper levels of society, government and education. This is going to be a long struggle to denie them of that utopian dream.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 22:05 | 2242162 Gunther
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Bank guy,
even in Germany the current EU gets questioned.Today there was a damning piece about the EU describing it as undemocratic and incompatible with Basic Law in Germany.
The piece was in moderately right daily “Die Welt.”
Link in German:

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 04:02 | 2242755 AnAnonymous
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The revolt is already underway; Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the UK Telegraph is describing it pretty well.


A revolt against what?

US citizen Indo-Europeans support going deeper into debt.

US citizen economics is not sustainable. US citizen economics aim at the depletion of resources.

Debt can not be repaid in a non sustainable environment.

US citizens are consuming the future, knowing the future will not show up as a reset, as a restart.

What is going on is very simple:
US citizens are maxing out the credit cards while they know their mall wont be resupplied.

Useless to think of repaying debt.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 12:04 | 2243077 WTFx10
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Sat, 03/10/2012 - 12:24 | 2243108 rbg81
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How about a European revolt against giving welfare benefits to hordes of Muslim immigrants who are slowly taking over their countries?  The warped notion that these people will become productive, tolerant, democracy-loving citizens should have dispelled long ago.  Of course, Political Correctness forbids the application of observation and common sense to any situation involving anyone other than White males.  Europe had better get its head out of its ass before its too late to stop the its own suicide.  Actually, it probably is too late already.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:19 | 2243175 AnAnonymous
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They are doing it very, very,very slowly, if they do it.

The idea of Indo Europeans revolting against the muslim populations slowly taking over is amusing.

That would be an atypical revolt indeed.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 19:02 | 2243819 rbg81
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When I say revolt, I mean revolt against the Government elite and policies that are ensuring that Muslims will be in the majority.  Once in the majority, Europe will be theirs.  And their will be plenty of Indo-Europeans more than happy to be their bitches and collaborators.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 16:37 | 2243576 jwoop66
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Sat, 03/10/2012 - 16:17 | 2243538 jwoop66
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You can say "shit" here; we're all ZH'ers.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:31 | 2241619 Yellowhoard
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I just got my first Euroboner.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:34 | 2241632 Temporalist
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Was it a "Credit Event"?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:11 | 2242034 AbelCatalyst
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If it doesn't go away in 3 hours call the ECB - they have a special procedure that will suck the life out of it

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 23:34 | 2242381 CH1
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"Crank up two printing presses and call me in the morning"?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:46 | 2241668 Cheesy Bastard
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A boner does not count as personal growth.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:57 | 2241682 XitSam
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But if it was rehypothecated ...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:39 | 2241789 prains
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<golf clap>  Daniel

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:09 | 2241871 Poundsand
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Soon he will crying about deflation!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:31 | 2242074 UP Forester
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And then he'll be crying about hyperinflation!


That's a lot of crying!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 22:50 | 2242274 CrashisOptimistic
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The guy in the vid said if you are an employee of the EU, you're exempt from taxes.  Tax free boner.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:31 | 2241620 ACP
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Employees of EU are exempt from national taxation??? No wonder they want to keep that shit-parade together!

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 11:06 | 2243011 rufusbird
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That also helps to explain why they are always smiling...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:32 | 2241621 SHEEPFUKKER

When the boat starts to list to one side, you either get to the other side of the boat or you fall in and drown.  More and more people are starting to realize they would rather be on the high side. 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:34 | 2241635 Sudden Debt
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Thomas Andrews

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:01 | 2241694 Winston Churchill
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This ship cannot sink.


Captain Smith(RMS Titanic)

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:23 | 2241747 Cheesy Bastard
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N Sync.

Justin Timberlake

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:32 | 2242076 UP Forester
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Das Boot ist voll.

-Some lice-infested Kapitan

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:32 | 2241624 Sudden Debt
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And when the money runs out they turn to the forests, chop them down, turn them into paper and print number on them and call them "more money"

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:33 | 2241626 HD
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"I think I can, I think I can, I think can..."

Excerpt from "The Little Global Ponzi that Could".

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:33 | 2241627 SubjectivObject
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The guy appears to be in an empty room talking to himself.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:45 | 2241666 Sudden Debt
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It's not because they're payed to be there that they want to be there. It's politics.... Complicated... We're to stupid to understand this....

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:33 | 2241684 Goldilocks
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< crickets >
ty, too much great copy today!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:33 | 2241628 navy62802
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The UK is pleasantly surprising me with its politicians ... first, Nigel Farage, and now, Daniel Hannon. Hopefully, common sense is starting to catch on.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:55 | 2241680 Rip van Wrinkle
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The problem is they are hardly ever seen on UK TV or radio. And when they are, they are introduced as total lunatics, fruit bats that hang upside down from the rafters and only come out at night. Right wing nuts, extremists are just two phrases commonly used.


And the rest of the populace. On the whole, moronic is as good as I can get.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:15 | 2241724 navy62802
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It's the same in the US. I don't know why I'd expect anything different in another country. The same people hold power over there as they do here.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:31 | 2241774 reload
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What you say is true & Farage knows it. So he is doing something NO other political party in the UK does - going on tour speaking at open public meetings up and down the country. I saw him last night near Cambridge, he does deserve a bigger audience and I think he will get one. He is on a mission to move UKIP into the minds of the electorate as much more than a single issue party. I like Hannan too, but think Cammeron only tolerates him to placate his party's euroskeptics. Most of the Tory mep's are sock puppets enjoying the gravy.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:31 | 2241913 Hedge Fund of One
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How were Farage and this cat sent to the EP from UK? Were they appointed by the UK PM?

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:52 | 2242700 Sandmann
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Election by List. You vote for the Party and it chooses the Candidates

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:34 | 2241631 Nothing To See Here
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"The problem with socialism is that it eventually runs out of other people's money"

-Margaret Thatcher

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:09 | 2241712 JohnnyBriefcase
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She clearly didn't have an "other people's money" printing press like we do nowadays.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:36 | 2241640 It is a bargin ...
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He's no Nigel is he?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:48 | 2241669 navy62802
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No, but at least he's making sense. And that's a great start. It is a rarity to hear a European politician actually speak some sense.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:26 | 2241752 Herkimer Jerkimer
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Somebody's not being a team player!

I see a trip to the woodshed for him!


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:41 | 2241651 vato poco
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I don't know what's more depressing: a) the fact that everything Hannan says here, and has been saying for years about how the EU is a hugely corrupt oligarchy that thinks nothing of routinely taking a shit on its "constituency" while pissing away their money like drunken sailors or b) the fact they don't even bother to try and shut him up. He's smart as hell, telegenic, makes *terrific* righteously outraged speeches against these evil bonehead dipshits, which *should* worry them, but.....

Nothing. They allow him his devastating commentary, roll their eyes & yawn or crank up their ipods as he speaks, and move on with their agenda as if nothing has happened. Nothing at all. Rather like US politicians and their pet media treat Ron Paul, in fact.

Gotta believe it's a bad sign when they don't even bother to try and hide their agenda, or even bother to silence their critics. At least Putin and Chavez throw their critics in jail. These guys: supreme indifference. Uh-oh.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:01 | 2241693 Kalevi
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HEEYYY, I,m a drunken sailor and I only piss away my own money.

Don't compare us to these euro commies/bankers/GS goons.

I've been following Hannan for a while, can't say he have put a foot wrong so far, wish I could say the same thing about the politicos in my own country.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:58 | 2241687 Long-John-Silver
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The Mayans predicted that 2012 would be a year of apocalypse leading up to the end of the world. It's obvious it starts with the complete destruction of the worlds economy.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:16 | 2241731 Kalevi
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No they did not.


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:36 | 2242087 UP Forester
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Yeah, I thought it was the Olmec's, and it was the end of an "era"....


It'd be pretty kewl to see a giant serpent swallow the earth, though.

Much like a giant vampire squid slurping up all the fiat liquidity.  Do squids have knees?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:11 | 2241715 jmcadg
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It's now official MDB, you are a schill.
Your bullshit corporate rhetoric is much better suited to CNBC, Bloomberg or Fox. Take your pick, hey enjoy them all, but fuck off.

I'm all for serious debate, but getting off rubbing yourself on the leg of Jamie Dimon does nothing for me.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:15 | 2241723 OutLookingIn
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Well said!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:53 | 2241821 Reese Bobby
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Get a room.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:30 | 2241911 r00t61
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MDB is just a troll, out having fun.

He succeeds only when you reply to him.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:57 | 2242001 Reese Bobby
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What's a schill?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:11 | 2241717 OutLookingIn
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The European Economic Union (EU) is a bureaucracy run by economically ignorant technocrats. Whereas it's predecessor the European Economic Community (EC) was a brilliant idea because it only dealt with the free movement of people, goods and services. Across a labrinth of borders and through a spiders web of red tape regulations.

The EU is now a political entity not an economic zone. The euro will not survive. The EU was doomed from day one when it's focus changed from an economic one and became a political entity.  

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:51 | 2241817 reload
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I hope you are right. But as the EU. Commission is now the supreme law maker across the Eurozone it will be IMPOSSIBLE to remove them by democratic Means. Remember they are zealots who have hoodwinked the people and nations of Europe into giving away their sovereignty. They are not going to just give it back. We will have to take it, and most people are too lobotomised by TV and celebrity 'culture' to realise that it needs doing.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:02 | 2241858 EvlTheCat
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Well said!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:13 | 2241721 dumpster
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the mayans predicted squat.. 

they just ran out of room on the stone carving .

this idea that some quant had the ability to see so far into ther future when they had a hard time surviving the next blood thirsty ritual is taking the whole future based prophecy business into the bible thumpers of the south and their drive through religion based saved by the blood //

the bible based thought process is a loose brain dead attempt to explain the ravings of a 1000 different interpretations over the course of 2000 years..

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:51 | 2241815 Reese Bobby
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Non sequitur much?
Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:14 | 2241722 ChrisFromMorningside
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Off-topic but important. Two of the most suppressed news stories of the week, sent down the memory hole.

The partitioning of Libya has begun. This was the imperialist plan from the beginning: break off the eastern part of Libya and turn it into another petro puppet state.

This is the plan in Syria too. Just as in Libya, there are already Western military assets present within the country formenting the fake revolt to justify "intervention" and eventual partition.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:30 | 2241768 vato poco
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Ummmm, since when does Syria have oil? Or are The Evil Ones just gonna do their sinister partioning for practice?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:49 | 2241804 Reese Bobby
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"Don’t, he’s on a roll."

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:00 | 2241841 reload
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Syria has airspace which needs to be sanitised of it's Russian made air defences. Look at the map, isreal needs to overfly Syria to bomb Iran.motive enough for you?

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 17:38 | 2243692 Dingleberry
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Maybe you don't remember how Israel "sanitized" Syria's air defenses a couple of years back.....I don't think they are too concerned.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 22:26 | 2242215 ChrisFromMorningside
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I didn't mean to imply that Syria would be partitioned for oil. I meant that Western powers are covertly inflaming regional tensions and provoking violence. The media is then spinning this Western-provoked domestic violence as a "revolution" that is being crushed, thereby justifying invasion. The methodology is the same as in Libya and bears more than a passing resemblance to the methodology employed during the "Color revolutions." The end goal in Syria is not oil but rather regional geopolitical hegemony. Domination of Syria would knock out one of Iran's key allies and allow Western forces to further complete their encirclement of Iran.


Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:50 | 2242696 Sandmann
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Oxford Business Group, the oil sector accounted for 23% of government revenues, 20% of exports, and 22% of GDP in 2008. Syria exported roughly 150,000 bpd in 2008, and oil accounted for a majority of the country's export income

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:35 | 2241777 bobola
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Nice to see this.

We need more and more of this by public figures.

Just watched several of Nigel Farage's videos.

Great stuff.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:44 | 2241793 Reese Bobby
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Who's the shit-grinning softy at the end of the clip?  Looks like he walked right out of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:51 | 2241816 Global Hunter
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at least I can have some fun watching fascist scum politicians squirm when they're faced with the truth. Thank you Daniel.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:57 | 2241837 Cole Younger
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Nigel Farage throws egg in Eurocrat faces

 What gives you the right to dictate to the Greek and Italian people?  

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:51 | 2241976 non_anon
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all aboard, the crazy train

another brit sings it


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:09 | 2242031 Elvis is Alive
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Clearly, Mr. Daniel Hannen is a terrorist.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:54 | 2242128 CEOoftheSOFA
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Thank God for the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 22:01 | 2242150 Sizzurp
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Hannan is right. This negative value debt money is our undoing.  Some day this truth will be self evident, but for now we have to continue to suffer these central banker fools taking us on an elevator ride straight down to hell.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:54 | 2242702 Travis Bickel
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'Who the Hell You Think You Are?' Nigel Farage Nov. 2010


Sat, 03/10/2012 - 03:56 | 2242748 AnAnonymous
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that Europe remains on, running out of track are so critical that they bear repeating as he remains incredulous that his fellow MEPs still see the one solution to a debt crisis as yet more debt...


Made me laugh. US citizens love to work in duo.

Dramatis personae: US citizen 1, US citizen 2

US citizen 1: We need to go deeper into debt...

US citizen2( jumping from backstage): you cant get out of debt piling on debt.

The story is simple. Going into deeper debt is only perceived through the false intent of solving the debt issue.

It is really funny. Because US citizens seldom speak about what they really do.

So here:

if you take a physical approach, seeing that US citizen economics has abridged the age of abundance is straightforward.

Repaying on debt would mean restarting on the same base. That is what you do when you pay back a debt. You reset afresh a situation.

US citizens have tried to sell the idea that their technological advances would provide a new energy transition that would reset the world, restart on the same base as the beginning of the oil age.

Less and less likely to happen. US citizen economics is not sustainable. US citizen economics strive toward depletion of resources.

Repaying debt is preposterous because the debt cant be repaid in an unsustainable environment.

US citizens are only working at getting sure that they get the most out of the age of abundance.

US citizens are maxing out the credit card before the mall gets empty, with no expectation of resupply.

That story of getting out of debt by taking more debt is just US citizen trick.

It has no ground. Repaying debt is not what US citizens aim at.

US citizens want to consume as much as they can. And taking more debt is a way to achieve it.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 12:01 | 2243073 WTFx10
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Fri, 03/23/2012 - 06:00 | 2242802 Colonial Intent
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Sat, 03/10/2012 - 07:18 | 2242836 Olympia
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Global Debt Crisis

The greatest private fraud of human history.

Who are the great fraudsters who are becoming the murderers of the human kind?

How does the economy "illness" threaten Democracy and the freedom of people?


World War III - the first Private World in History


Authored by Panagiotis TRAIANOU

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 08:50 | 2242892 blueridgeviews
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As long as there are printing presses there is plenty more track, unfortunately.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 11:11 | 2243019 Snakeeyes
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Here are some interesting Greek CDS charts to illustrate their problems!

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 19:57 | 2252349 papaclop
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The man is exactly right.  Very well said, in simple enough terms that even a politician can understand.

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