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European Bank's Response To Margin Calls: Just Break The Law And Make It Up

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While it will hardly come as a surprise to many, the bitter truth that bankers are to blame for much of the inexorable plunge that Europe faces (and for that matter the rest of the Western/Keynesian world) has once again been dragged front-and-center. In an interview on Australian TV, a former Unicredit senior banker, Jonathan Sugarman, discusses (along with no less than everyone's favorite roulette player - Nick Leeson) how rules are broken (not bent) and the 'rotten culture encourages excessive risk taking'. The former head of risk management resigned after being forced to break the law - specifically by dramatically under-reserving (or over-leveraging). These figures were not reported which means that, in Mr. Sugarman's words, he was "100 per cent certain that Unicredit broke the law while he was working there". The rot goes deeper though, as the interview describes, when he turned himself over to the regulators (blood-dripping knife in hand), they simply said "Fine, just don't do it again". Reflecting on the twenty years since Barings, Leeson remarks: “The weakness is in those risk management compliance and control areas. Always has been, still is and probably always will be”. Comforting?

The full interview and transcript from ABC News Foreign Correspondent Emma Alberici.

And the story:

Banks To Blame For Europe's Debt Woes

A former senior executive at Italy's largest bank says the European debt crisis is the result of a rotten culture that encourages excessive risk taking.


In his first interview since leaving the bank, the former head of risk management at the Dublin office of Italy's Unicredit bank, Jonathan Sugarman, told the ABC's Foreign Correspondent program that he was forced to resign after his chief executive consistently asked him to break the law.


In 2007, all the biggest banks in Europe had moved their headquarters to the Irish Financial Services Centre, lured by the lowest corporate tax rates in the English speaking world.


The New York Times dubbed Dublin the wild west of European finance.


Foreign banks found something else attractive about the place; it had developed a reputation for light-touch regulation.


Mr Sugarman was working for a German bank in Dublin when he was head hunted to run risk management at Unicredit's Dublin office.


The Italian bank had a $50 billion operation in Ireland.


Risk managers are required by law to keep assets and cash in reserve equivalent to 90 per cent of the bank's liabilities.


The rules are clear; the bank could, on occasion, drop to 89 per cent, but any lower than that and a report must be filed with the regulator.


But within months of his arrival, Mr Sugarman noticed that Unicredit Dublin was operating with cover of just 70 per cent, 20 times less than allowed.


For six weeks, his chief executive kept telling him not to worry.


But he was worried, so he resigned.


"We were breaking the law and it was my name on the reports day in day out," Mr Sugarman said.


"Under the eyes of the law, I'm the person responsible to make sure that we kept within our speed limit and we went way beyond our speed limit.


"And the law was very clear; I could face five years in prison for doing that and I just didn't want to go to prison."


Mr Sugarman says he was 100 per cent certain that Unicredit broke the law while he was working there.


"That is why I brought in this London-based IT company," he said.


"Whereas the permissible deviation was 1 per cent, they rang me up one evening, soon after they tied in to our systems, linked in to our systems, and said your breach is actually 40 per cent."


Twelve months after Jonathan Sugarman told the regulator that his bank in Dublin was running low on cash, the entire Irish banking system was on its knees begging for a bailout.


Five banks asked for 50 billion euros just to keep their doors open.


Last year, Irish MP David Norris raised the Unicredit matter in Ireland's parliament.


"This is a grossly serious matter and has been reported to the financial regulator," he said.


"A man has lost his job as a result - he honourably resigned - and the degree of breach was 40 times the accepted margin. This is a disaster."


Even after this, the regulator failed to act.


In a letter to the ABC, Ireland's central bank said it was still examining allegations first brought by Mr Sugarman four years ago.


"I left the bank's offices, I walked down to the regulator's office; I wasn't going to leave it to anyone to deliver it but myself, and nothing happens," Mr Sugarman said.


"That is like walking in to a police station with a knife with blood on it and say 'I've just killed someone' and you expect the police to say: 'Well, where's the body? Where's the person? What have you done?'


"And they just say: 'Fine, just don't do it again'. And that left me dumbfounded."
Unicredit posted a record third quarter loss overnight of $15 billion.


The Italian government's debt problems are weighing heavily on the country's biggest bank.


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Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:03 | 1882822 Cognitive Dissonance
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We are entering the warp speed phase of the Ponzi.

Beam me up Scotty. I am more than ready to relocate to Alpha Centauri.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:09 | 1882854 Capitalist10
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Good!  The EU is doomed sooner or later, so let's get it over with.

All the kicking the can down the road is getting boring.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:16 | 1882876 nope-1004
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It's not just the EU... it's ALL western fractionalized ponzi banks.

Greed turned them inside out.  Now we'll see more of them enter politics to funnell taxpayer bailout funds.

Notice that Monti (an ex GS crony) is now naming "himself" as Italy's finance minister?  And the sheeple sleep.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:23 | 1882922 john39
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don't fret, the NWO will save them with a brand new bigger world government and digitized currency... then everything will be just fine.  /s

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:47 | 1883021 B9K9
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It's easier to think in terms of first principles. For example, the very first 'governments' were larger/smarter proto-humans promising 'protection' (intra/extra-tribe/clan) in exchange for pussy & food. The offer was, of course, made with underlying implied/explicit threats, so the weaker/less clever had no position in which to negotiate.

Now, let's turn this kind of analysis to banking. The first fractional loan (ie the very first loan lent against nothing) required two things: 1) collateral value must stay constant/increase ie it can NOT decrease or it renders the lender insolvent; 2) another loan must be issued in order to pay the principle+interest of the first loan. Both #1 & 2 are absolutely imperative, otherwise the gig is up.

When we reduce the problem to bare essentials, it is quite simple to realize that this game must always expand - no ands, ifs or buts. So, rather than complain, criticize, etc, one merely needs to identify the next sector(s) targeted for inflation. Law, morality, all that soft stuff is good for generating outrage & page impressions, but it has no bearing whatsoever on the interests of the fascists. They understand what is at stake (for themselves), therefore, all energies/resources are directed towards continuing the Ponzi.

However, there are those, both insiders trained in a 5,000 yo tradition, and outsiders who happen to be students of history, who realize that the end eventually comes - elementary mathematic principles of exponents makes this an iron-clad law. So, the trick for insiders (aka power hungry thrill seekers) is to not get out too early in order to maximize gains, whereas the task for outsiders is to get out earlier in order to prepare.

But either way, it all eventually comes crashing down. Knowing that should serve to keep one's blood pressure down - nothing is worse than emotion.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:14 | 1883181 macholatte
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"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."

-- Orwell, 1984

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:41 | 1883275 Contra_Man
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Don't forget "Markus Canary", also ex-Golden Slacker, and presently serving as the Centralized Bankster of Canada - also co-incidentally, just recently elected to serve as Head of the FSB (Financial Stability Board).  

This posting was well earned after mandating $300B in over-priced private Cdn. mortgage pools be immediately (2007/8) transferred, at 100 cents on the dollar, from the Big 5 Cdn. Banks (... to free up their balance sheets) and stuffed into the Government's housing agency (CHMC) for a 100% socialized public guarantee on a third of a trillion of mortgage backed securities.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:11 | 1882864 Tsar Pointless
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Not me. I have my sights set on a little lakefront cottage on Betelgeuse.

I hear it's lovely there this time of the year.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:17 | 1882890 Cognitive Dissonance
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You're gonna get an X-factor sunburn when it goes supernova. I suspect it already has and we are just waiting for the speed of light effect to reach us.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:18 | 1882897 Long-John-Silver
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You are falling into a trap! The correct spelling is Beetlejuice and the only thing waiting on you there is this.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:56 | 1883108 Potemkin Villag...
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Day-O! Day-ay-ay-O! The daylight come & we won go home...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:09 | 1882835 GeneMarchbanks
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Sugarman *snicker *snicker

"100 per cent certain that Unicredit broke the law while he was working there".

He's turning himself in then? No?

Fucking Aussies... offspring of criminals.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:15 | 1882883 Harlequin001
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but that's exactly what he did when he went to the Regulators...

But they did nothing...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:21 | 1882916 GeneMarchbanks
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Excuse me but who enforces the law? Regulators?

He should be cuffed faster than Corzine.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:32 | 1882964 Ghordius
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you nailed it +10'000

I have the impression he is bragging

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:39 | 1882998 moncon
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I hope that's not a Hawthorn guernsey he's wearing...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:29 | 1882899 Tuffmug
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Read it again. He did turn himself in! Sugarman not meant to be a banker, not sociopathic enough.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:01 | 1883127 Antipodeus
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Apparently, you didn't even read the article, let alone watch the video, before you simply felt compelled to blobifet nonsense out of your pestilential, putrescent, pustulous arse, MORON!


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:09 | 1882849 Duuude
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Wait...this sounds familiar...


"...It gets worse. Over the last decade, Citi has repeatedly been caught committing a variety of offenses, and time after time the bank has been dragged into court and slapped with injunctions demanding that they refrain from ever engaging the same practices ever again. Over and over again, they’ve completely blown off the injunctions, with no consequences from the state – which does nothing except issue new (soon-to-be-ignored-again) injunctions..."

Read more:
Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:09 | 1882850 CrashJPM
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The banksters must go! They are destroying the economy. I guess they only thing left to do is hedge with commodities and precious metals.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:11 | 1882866 Village Smithy
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I am afraid that they have their fingers in those pies, right up to the elbows, nothing is safe.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:09 | 1882853 SheepDog-One
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Banksters are just lying, cheating, and stealing? No WAY!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:21 | 1882919 MonsterBox
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huh?  it's not just wall street?  someone tell Crowley...


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:10 | 1882855 vegas
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Life in a fucked up world circa 2011: Nick Leeson talking about risk management.

Regulation in a fucked up world circa 2011: Leave us alone, we're busy watching porn. Please, just don't do it again, OK?

Move along, no story here. BTW, Jon Corzine for Treasury Secretary.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:12 | 1883987 Archduke
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hey, at this rate we should promote kerviel for sarkozy's replacement.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:10 | 1882856 disabledvet
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I don't understand. The swap lines are open, US banks have been slopping at the trough for years now. Yet the zero percent financing sits there unused?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:30 | 1882954 Hugh_Jorgan
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The rates are there, but real money is not being offered to anyone. Go ahead and apply for a business loan. Unless you have an "in" with someone in the industry, you will get NOTHING.

I have a friend who is about to lose her husband's business because Wells Fargo is exercising the "payment in full" clauses of nearly all of their lines of credit that carry large balances. No, they never missed a payment.

They are battening down the hatches because they know it is about to get really bumpy for all the banks. Keynesian stimulus only works when an economy is experiencing a recession, but the fundamentals are strong. We are decades away from claiming ANY fundamental economic health.

However, this problem only ends with the Banksters. It began in Washington DC, the fix will need to begins there as well. As long as we continue down the road of entitletments, social engineering and central planning, we will continue to flounder.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:12 | 1882859 falak pema
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hey more euro bashing by the people who invented warped derivative banking; are you seeing your own sad face in the euro banking farce? Who invented this system gone global...the GS disease is now world wide. Thank you very very much Wall Street.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:13 | 1882873 Ghordius
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but euro bashing is cool and makes you lots of friends

it's the "seasonal sell" of our beloved MegaBanks

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:10 | 1882860 BurningFuld
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Un fucking believable. Soon all trust in the Western Financial System will be lost. The Banksters will be all standing around with their dicks in their hand waiting for the next rube to come along........and nobody will come.

If you have any money at all in this "Financial System" you are an idiot. I'm looking at you Robo.

Buy "Stuff" and Gold and hold on.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:29 | 1882947 SheepDog-One
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Thats how I see it all, theres no one left to fool, all the zero interest trillions are just getting churned around banks, no ones playing their game anymore so they can pretend all they like I guess but really theyre just standing there playing with their dicks. So now what?

Yep just buy stuff youll need, forget the bankers and stocks and all this nonsense.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:29 | 1882949 MonsterBox
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Crowley: if this gets out, who will deal with us?

Oh, the word's out alright, all around the world, and it aint just wallstreet.  Our western markets are going ignored/hurting for generations, thanks to these greedy dickheads.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:13 | 1882868 tempo
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Congress exempts themselves from insider trading laws. How corrupt and evil are the USA lawmakers? Focus on the Pan Canadian pipeline...20,000 shovel ready jobs, reduced imports, secure source of crude from oil sands. Obama kills the project so Canada will move oil through existing pipeline to West coast of Canada and Oil will now be sold to China and USA will go begging for more imports from the middle east. Insanity reigns!!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:16 | 1882889 BurningFuld
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Ex-ambassador calls U.S. pipeline delay 'catastrophic'

What? An ex-government official with a brain. Get rid of him STAT!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:12 | 1882871 rdenner
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The anarchist phrase

"We come to the point in time where it is too late to save the system..... AND TOO EARLY TO START HANGING THE BASTARDS!"

Comes to mind..



Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:07 | 1883152 Jim in MN
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My favorite is 'replace the economy, ignore the government'.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:13 | 1882874 lizzy36
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One wonders how much risk JPM and Goldman have taken with this small disclosure:

JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., among the world’s biggest traders of credit derivatives, disclosed to shareholders that they have sold protection on more than $5 trillion of debt globally. Just don’t ask them how much of that was issued by Greece, Italy, Ireland, Portugal and Spain.

I can hardly waith until either or both of those entites start telling us what the "NET" number is. Because as well all know there must not be a material amount of counterparty risk in hedging the sale of $5 Trillion fucking dollars of risk.  

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:23 | 1882924 Harlequin001
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it doesn't matter what size of the problem because the gold market is big enough to absorb all money, and thus even $5 trillion of derivatives losses. What is important is that both these banks have access to gold which they do as Authorised Participants in Street Tracks ETF.

When the shit finally hits the fan they take the gold out by taking the long side of short trades with their clients and then cash in the shares in GLD et voila, everybody else loses everything and these banks remain solvent regardless of the extent of their losses. It all depends on the ultimate settlement value of gold.

Which should be significant...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:26 | 1882935 qussl3
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Nobody will willingly pull the trigger, it WILL take an exogenous event to crash it.

Something like a tsunami into NY from the Azores or some such.

Otherwise this crap can go on forever, as long they dont print large denominations or allow unions to drive wage inflation, at least till oil prices blow everything the hell up.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:32 | 1882967 MonsterBox
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an EMP over NY would be easier, more likely

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:34 | 1882973 SheepDog-One
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Iranian long range missiles presently parked in Venezuella. Just sayin'.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:14 | 1882879 pods
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I just hope that people start to see banking for what it is.

I know, I am an eternal optimist.  You guys will hate me in the FEMA camp.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:16 | 1882888 midgetrannyporn
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Newt tapped Freddie for $1.6M. Let it burn.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:19 | 1882906 Marley
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“If only they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn’t be in this mess.”

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:11 | 1883162 Jim in MN
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Make me one million t-shirts of this, no, make it a billion.  Send the bill to (spins wheel) the Queen of frickin' England.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:24 | 1882927 tony bonn
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so mary schapiro runs the australian sec too

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:23 | 1883222 Antipodeus
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WHY are you rabbiting on about the 'Australia SEC' (no such body)?

And if you meant to say the 'Australian ASIC' (Australian Securities & Investments Commission) ... what has ASIC got to do with the article in question, which is about the IRISH (as in IRELAND) branch of an ITALIAN (as in ITALY) bank?

The only thing 'Australian' is the Foreign Correspondent of the (Australian) ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission)

Another MORON -- they're out in force today, TD.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:25 | 1882931 clawfoot tub
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Private banks loaning currency to government is a criminal conspiracy. Start there and work your way out.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:28 | 1882943 SeanJKerrigan
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Saw this at the Starbucks the other day...

"It's the nutcracker!" Uh huh.  Sure it is.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:28 | 1882944 adr
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So is that why the market jumped 75 points in a couple minutes? Confirmation of complete disregard for the law means everyone is free to break the rules.

Really what happenned at 10:45 to give the market a nice boost?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:32 | 1882963 SheepDog-One
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Daily equity stick save in a market which should be 30% lower by any measure...hey the money to is free what do they care? Must keep up appearances, and keep the dumb sheeple from catching a whiff of smoke and stampeding.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:30 | 1882953 Bill Bogus
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Sugar man, won't you hurry
'Cos I'm tired of these scenes
For a blue coin won't you bring back
All those colours to my dreams

Silver magic ships you carry
Jumpers, coke, sweet Mary Jane

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:39 | 1882999 haskelslocal
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Why have I never heard of this guy? Hidden gem I suppose...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:33 | 1882956 baby_BLYTHE
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these guys WILL NOT QUIT until every attainable piece of the ponzi pie is looted and crushing austerity is placed on the populations of the world to pay for their sins

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:33 | 1882969 Doubleguns
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How much rope do we need for ALL the bankers. I am in for 1000 feet, anyone else.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:41 | 1883015 SheepDog-One
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Oh Ive got shitloads of rope stored. I live in COlorado and have a bunch of climber buddies and when their ropes get a scuff or go past age limits and can no longer be used for climbing I give them $20 for $200 worth of rope.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:48 | 1883053 Doubleguns
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We may have found a market for that rope.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:07 | 1883148 Potemkin Villag...
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Now all you need is a little SOAP to go with it...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:52 | 1883323 Tsunami Wave
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I thought you said you lived in New Zealand?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:52 | 1883324 Tsunami Wave
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Duplicate Post.. my bad

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:35 | 1882981 Lord Peter Pipsqueak
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Why all the fuss about losses?THose can be transferrd to taxpayers by the politicos, no problem,get back to the TV sheeple,and watch the nominations for the next bankster puppet to be installed in the Whitehouse.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:37 | 1882990 haskelslocal
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Bankers and investment firms are cheating?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:42 | 1883018 SheepDog-One
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Say it aint so!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:47 | 1882996 M.B. Drapier
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Mr. Sugarman has his own blog. It's been running for a good while - he used to go by the pseudonym WhistleblowerIRL. (I (and others) have been mentioning it here since at least last January.) There was also a long article in Ireland's /Village/ magazine.

Definitely read that article if the story interests you. There's lots of extra dirt in it: much of it specifically related to Ireland, but not all. For example, how does a European bank respond to being caught breaking the law and making it up in response to margin calls?

Interestingly, UniCredit in Milan has emphatically denied, to the Süddeutsche Zeitung and more recently the Sunday Business Post, that it is the bank to which Norris was referring in the [Republic of Ireland Senate]. Perhaps it simply didn’t know.

It seems the answer may be 'keep making it up'.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:41 | 1883011 dracos_ghost
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I can feel the pain that this guy felt. A couple of years ago, working as a compliance consultant for the retirement services industry, one of the clients was, well to put it nicely, flat out stealing from their participants and in a big way. There were new laws on the books that forbade them from doing the "practices" that they were following. I wrote reports flagging the activity to the client and said they would have to address them quickly or face serious fines and mark their plans as non-conforming which meant no tax-free benefits, back payments of deferred taxes,etc. They tried to bully me and sign off as a third party validating their processes and procedures. I told them to scratch and resigned as a matter of principal.

So much for trying to do the right thing. The industry got together, since all of them are doing the same thing, and whined to the government that it would affect their businessess and blah,blah,blah. The rules have been delayed every six months and are in the process of being watered down to protect these pricks. And in the meantime, everyone with their 401ks with "matching contributions" get their quarterly reports and all is well in their private heavens.

Moral of the story, there ain't no real regulations or protections -- caveat emptor. Regulations are a fluffy blanket thrown out to the masses to make them feel good that government has their back. Except the blankets are diseased.

That's why these PTB will win. They will change the rules to change the perception. It's all relative.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:05 | 1883142 DCon
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Mr Sugarman has been ignored by the Irish government (with the exception of Senator Norris who operates in a talking shop)


So much for doing the right thing



Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:43 | 1883024 Calmyourself
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I have been trying to make this simple: no law, CDS, derivitive, or contract will bring down this ponzi.  Hunger only hunger,  position accordingly.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:52 | 1883078 SHEEPFUKKER

Laws? What laws? We live in a lawless society. At least, the 1% does.  You can make all the freakin laws you want but if they are not being enforced, then what difference does it make.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:54 | 1883098 the 300000000th...
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"Western Keyensian world"? I dont think even Keyens would ride on this full retard short bus.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:55 | 1883099 vato poco
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A couple of quick questions for all the "It's perfectly safe to keep my goodies and PM's in my safe-deposit box because *there are rules* that protect me" crowd:

1) if they're pulling this 'rules are for suckers' shit in euroland, do you honestly think it ain't happening here? 2) how many crooked bankers have gone to prison in the last 5 years because of vigorous SEC activity? that would be "zero", right? 3) so after the last few years of stories about how the SEC declined to even *look at* Madoff when Markopoulos handed his head to them on a platter (3 times!) because they were too busy surfing porn...and their boss just said firing their worthless asses wouldn't help because of "morale", or some such bullshit...and no member of the elite banksters club is looking at anything more than a token fine...4) you still trust the US regulatory system anyway? 5) MF Global didn't just go broke. No, first they robbed their clients - taking the *clients* money and using it to pay the bills, bonuses, etc etc and then stashing the rest in hideyholes all over the world, catching even a well-known, experienced, and sophisticated trader such as Gerald Celente unprepared. Think there'll be any hardcore, hard time SEC/CME repurcussions over this? 6) Think MF head crook & former democrat US Senator (and more importantly, heavy-duty Goldman alum) Jon Corzine will ever see the inside of a jail cell for this? for even a day?

7) If your anser is 'yes', WHY?!?

8) If they'll steal *your own money* from *your own account* -  and MF Global did just that - what makes you think they won't raid your safe deposit box? Hell, it's sitting on *their* property....under *their* control....all they've got to do is lock the doors (By Executive Order: "Bank Holiday". 'National Emergency, National Security, blah blah blah....' Sorry!) and whip out the drills. What then, Skippy? There ain't no do-overs in real life, and it's not like you can say you didn't see it coming. What then??

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:19 | 1883204 Dr. Gonzo
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Patriot Act states citizens are not to store gold/silver in their safe deposit box and if you are storing gold here you are already in violation. They don't have to change any law or break any rules to take it from you NOW. It's perfectly legal for them to open your safe deposit box NOW and take your PM's. They will all be harvested at once during the next U.S. bank Holiday. Last time they did this was in 1933. History rhymes and repeats. 99% of people who store their gold in safe deposit boxes have no idea of this clause in the Patriot Act.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:59 | 1883122 AldoHux_IV
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Lest we forget that banks and their crony central banking crooks alongside with their paid politicians are also to blame for the destruction of democracy and anything resembling a coherent economic thought.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:06 | 1883147 Segestan
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16 November 2011

The European Trade Union Confederation (ETUC) welcomes the European Commission’s new initiative concerning the regulation of rating agencies.


This regulation is necessary, all the more so since rating agencies have recently shown that they abuse their power, particularly in the error they made about France.  We think that this proposal for a regulation must go even further.

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EFFR Declaration:

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:18 | 1883203 vato poco
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Odd. I *read* "Regulation of rating agencies", but I SEE "League of Nations Outlaws all War from 1928 till forever". Note to self: need more hopium.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:13 | 1883173 Jim in MN
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Abracadabra, hocus pocus

Here's a little somethin' that'll make your eyes focus

--MC Lyte

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:17 | 1883199 yogibear
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When it becomes serious, you have to lie.” – Luxembourg PM Jean-Claude Juncker

Mark to fantasy has worked well so far. When the fantasy blows up then you worry.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:53 | 1883333 Fix It Again Timmy
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There are no safeguards or fuses on human nature concerning greed, that is why we have laws and regulations; bankers and financiers now laugh at laws and regulations which, today, are just 1's and 0's whirling around on some hard disk.  Add to this the computational speed of elaborate and complex financial software programs and, indeed, the final outcome will be a wonder to behold.....

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:46 | 1883858 Bansters-in-my-...
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Laws are not for bankers...You can Bank on it.

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