European Bloodbath Resumes After Figaro Reports Moody's Eyeing France Downgrade

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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:08 | 1897906 BandGap
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C'est dommage!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:20 | 1897917 paarsons
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The solution?

Ammo, beans, and the Blue Oyster Cult.

Fuck it all in the ass.

What's a boy to do?


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:37 | 1897940 Thomas
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Rising rates causes credit downgrades causes rising rates. The death spiral begins.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:11 | 1897908 Non-Zero
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Looks eerily like 2008 now, of course we know it's now 2008 with 152x leverage...


FTSE 2008 vs. FTSE 2011 here:

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:25 | 1897921 The Limerick King
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Has French credit worthiness sunk

Or is Moodys just being a punk

With leverage much higher

The truth is more dire

The whole freakin' planet is junk

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:42 | 1897946 Spooky Polish
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Until somebody does slum-dunk

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:12 | 1897911 Josephine29
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The essential problem is that there are debt problems everywhere in Europe and France has undercapitalised banks. The problems ensuing from this fact are mounting as is explained well below.



I discussed the impending problem for France on the 11th of November and in a nutshell you can sum up it up as her banking sector. The refinancing and nationalisation of Dexia where France assumed a 36.5% share of the bail out has led to worries about Banque Nationale de Paris, Societe Generale and Credit Agricole. Should they need a bail out too then it will be expensive even for an economy the size of France’s. Today the ratings agency Moodys has added to the issue by stating that elevated borrowing costs would threaten France’s credit rating.


Now there are several issues with Moodys stating the obvious some time after it became obvious to others! But such things can impact on markets more than they should. If we compare the French ten-year bond yield on the 11th of November (3.4%) with today’s of 3.6% we can see that France is edging towards a possible debt crisis.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:13 | 1897912 MFL8240
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Another day in the clown show wiith Confetti in the lead.  People are dumping Gold and Silver (real assetts) for junk paper issued by an insolvent country incapable of getting its house in order and we focus on Europe rather than the real problem facing the world.  When this fucking game will end is anyones guess.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:26 | 1897923 qussl3
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Technically paper PMs are confetti too.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:14 | 1897913 Mugatu
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Now its payback time for the French being such assholes to all those tourists!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:16 | 1897914 reload
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Talking head politicians in Europe are a bit bloody quiet this morning. Are they finaly running out of spin?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:36 | 1897939 DeadFred
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It's kinda hard to speak loudly from behind the nailed-down storm shutters.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:22 | 1897918 Tense INDIAN
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Indian rupee is sliding like anything.......nifty down today too...8th day running...worst performing currency in Asia ...and likely o get worse....

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:22 | 1897919 westboundnup
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Just a quick tidbit.  I was at a function on Sat. evening and found myself seated next to a young guy who I discovered worked for Goldman.  Throughout the evening he drank like a sailor and exhibited behavior that was so obnoxious that I literally began to panic that other attendees would think that we were together.  Easily one of the bigest jerks I have encountered at a social outing. As soon as the function ended, I booked it out of there.  The guy was at the lower rungs of Goldman, but you would think that he would have the smarts to behave properly in public. 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:50 | 1897959 writingsonthewall
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He was drinking heavily for a reason.


It's what most condemed men do just before being taken away to the gallows.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:18 | 1898202 mick_richfield
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you would think that he would have the smarts to behave properly in public

Well, I doubt that he was stupid -- at least in the dimensions of intelligence that Goldman is aware of.

But it's hard to know exactly how the Big Boss wants them to behave.

And I don't mean the CEO.. I mean Lucifer, the Light Bearer, Son of the Morning, Lord of the Earth.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:27 | 1897924 Canucklehead
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Things are unfolding as expected.  No one should worry about a drop in debt rating as there are so many secret side deals and changes to current deals (made on the spur of the moment) that "confidence" will not drop any more than it currently is.  That is to say, confidence is at an all time low.  There is no trust or respect shared by the various parties to the European experiment.

Germany's strategy should be to deal for time so that the other members of the European Experiment can get their houses in order.  Do not expect Germany to commit to backstopping Europe in an absolute way.  If Europe unwinds because the peripherals could not get their house in order, Germany will walk away from the mess and look to reflate their banking system.

Do not be fooled.  A smart person has a number in the back of their mind as to what they can afford.  Germany has laid out a public commitment to provide "X" euros to backstop Europe.  They have an internal number flagged to recapitalize their banking system.  They also have a fudge factor to allow for "overshoot".

If Germany plays for time and does not provide other commitments, pressure builds on Europe to get their house in order.  That is a good thing.

Any commitments from Merkel et al without a referendum from the German people is worthless.  How is that for confidence?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:35 | 1897938 AUD
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Or is there a hit job on yet another European leader?

Well, during another serious debt crisis, May 1932, French president Doumer was gunned down at a Rothschild's charity event no less.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:40 | 1897943 DeadFred
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Are there any leading Goldman candidates being primped in the wings?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:40 | 1898052 Dapper Dan
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What few reported were his dying words:
"But what kind of chauffeur was it?"

He was told he was hit by a car.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:37 | 1897941 max2205
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My Senator is buying puts. Fwiw

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:47 | 1897956 MFL8240
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Moody's downgrade is the cause of the downgrade?  Wren't these same assholes the ones who rated US subprime bonds?  This is a joke and I have to wonder when someone is gonna stand up and say enough of this bullshit, these credit agencies have no credibility.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:52 | 1897961 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Been to the cliff before....but we never roll over it.  Is today finally the day?  Tired of waiting for the seemingly inevitable.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:24 | 1897998 a growing concern
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Let's go, cliff!

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:22 | 1898216 BandGap
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We ARE over the cliff, it's just a very long fall. 

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:31 | 1898025 michaelsmith_9
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The debt problems around the world will only get worse as bond yields continue to go higher.  Equities lower, USD higher.  Momentum should continue to increase.  Here is a look at the ES, CL, DX, EURUSD, and AUDUSD.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:54 | 1898096 yogibear
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Congrats France you deserve it, your big on socialism.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:12 | 1898169 Dick Darlington
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In typical French fashion, living in denial is everything.

 Nov. 21 (Bloomberg) -- France’s financing conditions remain
“favorable” in the face of concern about its credit rating,
Finance Minister Francois Baroin said.
     “The rating agency Moody’s has noted in a weekly bond
market report both favorable elements and ones that increase the
risks to France’s stable rating outlook,” Baroin said in an e-
mailed statement. “At current interest rates, financing
conditions remain very favorable,” he said.
     Baroin said that France is accelerating budget cuts and
plans to eliminate the budget defict by 2016.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:00 | 1898645 slewie the pi-rat
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