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European CDS Rerack #1

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:40 | 1768924 IMA5U
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ah  a return to the good ol dayz

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:40 | 1768926 RobotTrader
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Looks like lots of guys are going to start piling right back into VXX, TZA, FAZ, etc.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 09:10 | 1768995 BrocilyBeef
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Any chance the table posted above could be formed as a real table with a td here and a tr there...

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:41 | 1768928 JawsMusic
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Why is greece lower than Germany?

I don't understand this table, the other PIIGS are high, yet Greece, the country EVERYONE expects to default any day now is low???


Can someone explain in plain english what this table shows?



Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:46 | 1768937 Schmuck Raker
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GREECE                     59.5/61.5  -0.5

X100                   =5950/6150  -500 ?

But, I'm not sure - at all.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:50 | 1768938 ZeroPower
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This question on Greece spreads is posted literally every single day.

Because Greece CDS contracts trade in the 2000++ bp range and thus leading to a bid/ask you can drive a truck through, its inefficient to label it in bps anymore, and so we use a recent convention which is points upfront.

If youre inclined to read more, google for 'the big bang MarkIt' which is a convention from '09 that explains new ISDA standards.

Dont worry, Greek CDS trades many many x higher than any other sov.

5yr CDS typically costs less on absolute basis than 10yr, but in times of crisis we see the curve invert and near-dated contracts are pricier than longer term contracts, implying threat of default is greater in the immediate term. Also, because CDS can be tailored to ltierally any specification (curr, time, entity, covenants, etc) you ask, one would be surprised to see the levels which 1yr or 6mo CDS on distressed names trades at.

Finally, 5/10s is the spread between 5yr and 10yr CDS - again, typically should be positive, but the real shitty country's are negative due to curve inversion.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:08 | 1771630 o2sd
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Thanks for the explanation.

Because Greece CDS contracts trade in the 2000++ bp range

Is the market even liquid at this range? I know some like to live life in the fast lane, but doesn't 2000bps imply 100% chance of default in 5Y?

Also, because CDS can be tailored to ltierally any specification (curr, time, entity, covenants, etc) you ask

I wonder if the 30D market is liquid. If you thought Europe could obfuscate, lie, stone wall, prevericate and generally muddle along for another month, there is a lot of yield there for the taking.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:42 | 1768929 RobotTrader
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Put/call ratio closed at 1.49 couple days ago, and 1.29 yesterday.  Watch it open up at 1.50 or something today.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:44 | 1768933 RobotTrader
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Today's "safe havens":  AAPL, TLT, UUP.  Watch the Wildebeest herd pile right into those instruments right at the open.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:52 | 1768940 virgilcaine
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Perfect short entry across the asset spectrum.  In bear mkts we sell/short the rallies such as we had.

I trade 27 of the futures mkts.. you could have entered short on every one via trend .

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 09:09 | 1768943 Minoan
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Everything is under control.The unions in Greece,just turned the 24h general strike on coming Wednesday to a 48h.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:54 | 1768951 virgilcaine
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Its all bogus and its all one market

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 15:15 | 1770623 El Viejo
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Anymore on the rumor of Finland withdrawing from the EU???

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