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Europe's Largest Insurer Allianz Not Amused That Central Banks Are Involved In Liborgate

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What a difference a revisionist market rally makes. Remember when everyone was involved in Libor manipulation? No? Curious what a few hundred DJIA points will do especially when the corporate revenues and supporting them simply are not there, and one goes all in on multiple expansion. One entity which, however, has not forgotten about Lieborgate is Pimco parent and Europe's largest insurance firm, Allianz. And they are not happy: "Europe's biggest insurer, Allianz, is worried about the role central banks may have played in an interest rate rigging scandal that has enveloped some leading international lenders, the insurer's chief financial officer said on Friday. "We do not find it funny, what has happened, in particular the arising implication that it is not just the banks but central banks being involved in this," Oliver Baete told a conference call with analysts. "That really gives us cause for concern," Baete added." Of course, neither the ECB nor the FED could care much, considering that Allianz would be immediately insolvent if the same central banks who manipulated Libor stopped manipulating interest rates... which is implicitly what Allianz is unhappy about.

From Reuters:

An Allianz spokeswoman said Baete was speaking generally and declined to specify which central banks Baete had in mind.

 

More than a dozen global lenders, including Citigroup, JPMorgan and Deutsche Bank, are under investigation over whether they manipulated a benchmark interest rate called Libor in an attempt to make profits or hide weaknesses.

 

Royal Bank of Scotland on Friday said it had dismissed staff in the scandal, while rival Barclays was fined $453 million by U.S. and UK regulators last month.

 

But banking regulators, too, have come under scrutiny.

 

The Bank of England's deputy governor, Paul Tucker, was ensnared in the scandal when Barclays released notes suggesting Tucker may have condoned the rigging. Tucker has denied the allegations.

Sadly in a world hijacked by central bankers, statements such as this one which reflect the occasional disillusionment with the ubiquitous Stockholm Syndrome will not be allowed and for all intents and purposes will soon disappear, as the central banks make it very clear that those who are benefiting from central planning should not bite the hands that feed them. This certainly includes Bill Gross who has been rather vocal in calling the global capital market a Ponzi scheme for nearly as long as Zero Hedge itself has.

 

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Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:40 | 2676609 Jlmadyson
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Libor, whether anyone wants to believe or not is the biggest scam of them all from the financial crises.

TARP didn't save them in 08. Libor did.

It goes all the way to the top and yes they should question it all.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:31 | 2676781 JustObserving
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"the biggest scam of them all"

That is why NBC and ABC have not spent a minute covering it.  We have the best free press that money can buy.

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2012/08/heist-who-stole-american-dream.html

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:25 | 2677184 AldousHuxley
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Allianz....parent company of Pimco

benefitted from nazi slave labor

 

probably the driver behind WW1 and WW2 for germany to extend their tentacles. Failure resulted in misery for German people.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:45 | 2677211 dark pools of soros
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No failure without America getting dragged into both wars. The same double cross will happen to America when it is time for the rats to jump ship

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 21:07 | 2677319 anonnn
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And don't leave out the Japanese:

 

Timeline, hat-tip to    http://www.japanfocus.org/-Kinue-Tokudome/2714  

 

 Department of What Goes Around, Comes Around ?

May, 1942 Bataan Death March begins, [est. 7,500-12,000 Amer soldiers and 70,000 Philippine Army] set out from Corregidor/Mariveles to Camp O'Donnell, abt 60-80 miles.

mid-1943 US Gov claims first learns of BDM murder/torture [incl beheading, skull crushing, bayonneting, starvation/no water/no medical attentioin, crushing under trucks, water torture, boxcar suffocation, "Hellships" death transports of POWs to slave work areas,]

January, 1944 Knowledge of BDM suppressed in US news media until Jan, 1944

1946-1948 Gen McArthur personally offers BDM-survivor SGT "Abi" Abraham task of exhuming remains of US personnel who died enroute to Camp O'Donnell by retracing the entire route of BDM. Taks Abraham and his Filipino crews over 2 years. [The many death pits at Camp O'Donnell separately exhumed for bural of remains].

1951 US-Japan sign San Francisco Peace Treaty includes waiver of all POW claims due to importance of Japan as US ally in suppressing Communism in Asia.

1999 State of California passes law that any slave labor victim put into forced slavery at Japanese corporations has right to sue those corporations who enslaved them. Lawyers declared that nothing in S F Peace Treaty cancels right to sue for slavery and forced labor.

2001 Three former US ambassadors to Japan argue against Congressional legislation to support POW lawsuits. ["...undermine our relations with Japan, a key ally...national security..."]

2004 The California law found unconstitutional. Thus, the US POWs own government blocked their path to court.

2006  "Hellships Memorial" dedicated at Subic Bay in Philippines.

2007 BDM survivors still alive the resolve to seek only an Official Apology, drop demands for slave-labor compensation. Japan government and their US embassy refuse any meeting with them to receive their request for apology.

2009 The few survivors still alive attempt a last effort to get apology. Japanese government refuses.

March 11, 2012 Nuclear Power Plants at Fukushima Daichi are damaged by earthquake and then hit with tsunami, yielding explosions at Units 1,2,3 and 4 along with severe continuous leaks of radioactive particles into air and Pacific Ocean that will be on-going for likely 100s of years.

 [This was written in response to a personal communication regarding the further exhuming activity, long after WW2,  of US POW bodies at Camp O'Donnell, a former US Army Air Force Base, which activity was kept quiet as a military secret so as not to offend our ally, Japan, by again bringing the subject  to the public view. The remains were reported first-hand as not being properly disposed of, but conveniently dumped.]

 

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 02:13 | 2677575 Fish Gone Bad
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"conveniently dumped" is the new definition of properly buried.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 09:48 | 2677822 CH1
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Thanks for posting.

There's an important truth here: The morality of states is FAR WORSE than that of the average guy.

What's amazing is that otherwise sane people will do anything to avoid seeing it.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 18:03 | 2676980 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Biggest fraud in the history of the world and not a single indictment. If that doesn't tell you something, nothing will.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:44 | 2676621 MrBoompi
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"Who gives a fuck if you're not amused?"

--- The Cartel

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:49 | 2676641 Dr. Engali
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Insurance companies are fucked when it comes to hedging in ths ZIRP soon to be NIRP environment.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:54 | 2676660 ziggy59
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Even Uncle Warren?

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:51 | 2676653 Joshua_D
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It's all fun and games until someone wakes up with concrete around their feet.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:54 | 2676663 The trend is yo...
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I have been broken.  I can't take this shit anymore.  The central banks, banks, politicians are too crooked and are winning and will continue to win.  covering all shorts and calling it quits

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:15 | 2676745 El Oregonian
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Welcome to the Matrix... Red Pill, or Blue?...

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:41 | 2677203 AldousHuxley
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both go up your behind

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:31 | 2676782 sabra1
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when you americans quit watching "Parking Wars" and take to the streets, maybe, just maybe things would change! 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 23:10 | 2677490 Raymond Reason
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But that wouldn't be good for you sabra.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 16:59 | 2678513 MeelionDollerBogus
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There's precious little to cover while still being short if you used various Put options without using any margin. It's a lot safer than actually shorting with margin. Your only serious risk is time (% chance of loss) while the $ total to lose is very small for the same $ gain on target.

In these highly correlated markets it's never been easier.

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Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:56 | 2676668 ciscokid
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Market...!!! What market?????

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:02 | 2676685 SgtShaftoe
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Allianz should demonstrate their displeasure by taking a large and substantial position in the gold and silver market.  A big FUCK YOU! to the CBs and corrupt governments.  A proverbial 10 Megaton position in physical should do the trick, blow it up! DO IT! DO IT!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:59 | 2676686 Jumbotron
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Here's how the elites really think about you and the insurance companies

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxiT30N6ti4&feature=related

 

One of the greatest monologues ever......Bill Shakespeare would even be envious !

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:34 | 2676786 Arnold Ziffel
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Turkey may be on to something -- now allows gold deposit accounts. Here from Reuters:

 

The country's commercial banks are pouring their technical expertise and marketing resources into offering their customers gold deposit accounts. Customers hand their gold to a bank and can make withdrawals from their accounts in gold bars or the lira currency; the accounts offer interest rates that are substantially lower than those on normal time deposits.

 

Gold deposit accounts have been growing around the world, but Turkey's boom has made it a leader in the trend.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/04/turkey-gold-banks-idUSL6E8HP9R...

 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:59 | 2676688 Itch
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Its interesting that they "dont find it funny". Funnily enough, that wouldn’t be the turn of phrase i would somehow use...if, i was actually sincere. I mean WTF? Who ever said it was meant to be funny? Someone tell me this isnt happening. Its not funny? Thats something you would say when someone puts a toy spider in your sock drawer.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:04 | 2676707 Jumbotron
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This is the second best monologue and in some ways better than the first......and from the same movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcpWk2WKhEM&feature=related

 

And just to top it off....here is the late, great George Carlin.......

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcpWk2WKhEM&feature=related

 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:07 | 2676719 Peter Pan
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Shock and horror at the exstence of Liborgate but no shock and horror at ZIRP. Shock and horror at NotHaus making silver coins but not a peep when AIG was given 185 billion of new printed dollars. Shock and horror when some British teller steals 70,000 dollars for a boob job but Corzine is on the loose.

As long as the people do not own their justice system and the politicians who make the appointments, nothing will change.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:16 | 2676746 SheepDog-One
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James Holmes, the Batman Shooters dad was set to spill the beans and testify on Lieborgate....wow isnt that convenient?

Its a small, small world, at the very least.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:29 | 2676778 Dr. Engali
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There is a lot that is too convenient about that shooting. It's too bad the government will kill innocent people to advance their agenda. But hey I'm just a crack pot ,that's never happened before....

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:25 | 2676768 Benjamin Glutton
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Suck it up bitchez!!!

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:27 | 2676769 q99x2
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Well then lets get rid of central bankers. There are enough light poles along Ventura Blvd that would both be sufficient and look esthetically appealing (we would leave them in their mafiaso suits.) Plus the street sweepers could provide an automated form of cleanup as the hot summer days passed by.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 16:50 | 2678501 MeelionDollerBogus
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Just toss down day-old MCD fries from wherever there's seagulls to the light poles, if need be, and they along with vultures will take care of the mess when we're done being entertained.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:28 | 2676774 css1971
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Ooh. this should be interesting. How many trillions are Allianz managing? Last I heard it was an unimaginably large number. €20 Trillion? €30 Trillion? That's a mountain the politicians and central bankers don't want to get up and start moving.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 17:50 | 2676933 SgtShaftoe
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Exactly, if anyone has the capability beyond a soverign to make an impact on the currencies / gold market, it's Allianz.  They need to make a huge buy of metals and blow the market out of the water.  That should wake these fuckers up.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:16 | 2677166 silverserfer
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its a doggy style financial fuckfest and everyones invited. what else is new.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 05:32 | 2677642 El Gordo
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While Liebor may be a big scam, perhaps the largest yet announced, it pales in comparison to the scam the US has pulled on China by getting them to accept all those dollars in exchange for goods and services.  This is even bigger than what the Europeans did to the Native Americans when trading for Manhattan Island.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 16:48 | 2678496 MeelionDollerBogus
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What? Rig the markets? SAY IT AIN'T SO

damn libertarian scare-mongering!

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Sat, 08/04/2012 - 17:01 | 2678514 Anthony Migchels
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Could it really be true that Allianz is 'surprised' by Liebor?

Everybody knew. Allianz has a trillion plus balance sheet. Their traders were not aware??

I'll buy unlimited Mortgage Backed Securities if Allianz was really 'surprised'.

How big is Allianz?
It is number 28 on the list of top Financial Institutions that own each other. 

all the big banks and insurers are one massive cartel. They all own each other. This is just a silly make believe story: don't watch the few idiots behind the curtain.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 11:04 | 2679357 fiddy pence haf...
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I guess the derivatives based on libor were the reason that insurance

was increasing at an above-inflation rate and not sky-rocketing like

it is now.

So we know why insurers are complaining now. They were benefitting

from the shadow banking until the bankers took the insurers down

a dark alley.

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