Europe's Ponzi Takes A Twist For The Wacky: Greek Bank Equity To Be Used As Loan Collateral

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Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1616087 hedgeless_horseman
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Desperation, bitchezzz!!!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:30 | 1616178 PaperBugsBurn
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The Tyler on duty is a real censorship beeeeyotch!


Erase this comment too, bitch.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:46 | 1616227 Pool Shark
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"Collateral. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

As for poor Finland:

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:13 | 1616092 oogs66
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Enron bitchez

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:46 | 1616245 nyse
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For real.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:13 | 1616094 Construct
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External Debt:

UK of 386% GDP.

France 208%.

Germany 163%.

Italy 132%.

Spain 170%.

-- Game Over --

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:15 | 1616101 hedgeless_horseman
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The enemy counterparty of my enemy debtor is my friend lender.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:27 | 1616157 Construct
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Some additional information that just say it all. External debt to gdp:

Ireland 1106% of GDP

Protugal 240% of GDP

EU and any Euro project is hopelessy doomed.

Now look at the 'third world':

China 5% of gdp

India 21% of gdp

as a note. USA is not as good as the 'third world' but is in 'okey' condition:

USA 99% of GDP

Source: CIA, Eurostat, World Bank, US Treasury.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:40 | 1616216 myne
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These national debts are missing one key component: creditors!

Why do I get the feeling that it's all owed in one massive hazy debt circlejerk with no actual net creditors?

Seriously. We know China has ~3tn in foreign cash equivalents, yet they owe 5% of their GDP.

Is this all just a giant scam? If all consumers are in debt, and all governments are in debt, and most banks are undercapitalised, WHO's it all owed to?!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:52 | 1616271 Construct
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Bingo. It is all a gigantic circle jerk. Where central banks purchase all the bonds and then 'sterilize' it which is a nice word for hauling all the garbage onto banks balance sheets which in turn after a while go broke.
Tue, 08/30/2011 - 16:03 | 1616331 Azannoth
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It's elementary my dear Watson, the Central Bank Cabal but not through direct money, money as you or I see it but through debt slavery

It's not about the principal it's all about the interest, Central Banks lend to each other the obligations of their citizens, effectively selling taxpayers into slavery of other central banks

It's an extortion mechanism, since the average person and even the governments have no control over what central banks do, they have a card blache

How to rule the world in 5 easy steps

1 - create a debt based monetary system

2 - make sure all central banks are 'independent' as in independent of the people they are supposed to steal from

3 - start lending money to 'other' central banks thus indebting the people without their consent and to be able to charge interest

4 - have the people accept inflation (even at 2%) as good and necessary, as inflation is a liability to the people but an asset to the banks

5 - squash any public or political dissent through black-mail, bribes, entitlements, and if all else fails war


Tue, 08/30/2011 - 16:26 | 1616437 MarketTruth
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And you forgot:

6. Assonate any President or country leader that wants to remove a central bank or their currency/debt scheme.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:48 | 1616250 tekhneek
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Your comment's cool and all until you get to this part:


Source: CIA, Eurostat, World Bank, US Treasury.


Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:57 | 1616285 Construct
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You mean to tell me that you believe CIA Eurostat WB UST would not tell the truth and nothing but the truth?
Anyway it is the only thing I can provide at the moment I am trying to find 'other' sources.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 16:15 | 1616393 Leopold B. Scotch
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There ain't a dollar in circulation today that has not been loaned into existence. 


Don't worry. Those dollars are backed by people paying their interest... in more dollars.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:26 | 1616155 ??
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nice numbers


Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:31 | 1616162 Construct
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Source: CIA, Eurostat, World Bank, US Treasury.


External debt (or foreign debt) is that part of the total debt in a country that is owed to creditors outside the country. The debtors can be the government, corporations or private households. The debt includes money owed to private commercial banks, other governments, or international financial institutions such as the IMF and World Bank.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:15 | 1616096 youngman
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I knew there was some reason for the they call it a brand new bank..all is good...take our they will...that is what is sad....

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:15 | 1616097 Ancona
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Ponzi squared. I like it.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:16 | 1616102 NetDamage
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Collateral gummi bears, bitchauuuz!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:16 | 1616105 snowball777
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Ironically similar to having convertible bonds in the first fucking place.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:16 | 1616107 plocequ1
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In Philadelphia, Its worth fifty bucks

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 16:09 | 1616360 hedgeless_horseman
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Bill: You hocked a Hattori Hanzo Sword?
Budd: Yep.
Bill: It was priceless.
Budd: Well, not in El Paso, it ain't. In El Paso I got me $250 for it.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 16:28 | 1616439 mp2437
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wow, funny to see that. I just watched the dvd the night of 'Irene' to pass some time...great movie!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 16:28 | 1616440 mp2437
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Tue, 08/30/2011 - 16:28 | 1616443 mp2437
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Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:18 | 1616112 Derpin USA
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Well, logically speaking, if you're going to give them bailout money, you're assuming it's going to work. If that's the case, why wouldn't Greek bank collateral be sufficient? Refusal to take that acknowledges a belief that the bailout will fail.

A demand for gold is as good as saying it's not worth doing in thefirst place (which it's not).

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:20 | 1616125 NetDamage
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Not demanding collateral seems to be the most optimistic case...but politically perhaps the Fins can be convinced by this scheme.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:19 | 1616114 gwar5
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The German have gotta be thinking they'd get the same treatment as the Finns if they backstopped Europe and all the PIIGS. This little ditty is their future. Run away! Run away!


Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:19 | 1616116 totem
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Things would be so much easier for the EU if they booted Finland...

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:25 | 1616152 buzzsaw99
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Rename Iceland Niceland

Rename Finland Not Niceland Bitchez.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:21 | 1616118 SeverinSlade
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I try to explain these macro-economic events to people and they still fail to comprehend how disasterous this will wind up being.  So long as they can still get a their 99 cent hamburger everything is just fine and dandy.

All of these bailout packages in Europe are using toxic assets as collateral while the interest rates on the loans makes it mathematically impossible to pay back.  Then toss in the derivatives market which is a black hole of debt.  The coming collapse will be magnificent to watch.  Way better than the final scene of Fight Club.

...And hopefully without a spliced image of a penis.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:43 | 1616230 V in PA
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I'm sorry could you repeat that. I was reading a tweet about Lady GaGa dressing like a boy. Can you imagine?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:20 | 1616119 Sudden Debt
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Greek banks will be partially nationalized

There goes todays bank rally for the Greeks :)

I wonder why they don't let Lehman finish the deal....


Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:20 | 1616124 Nothing To See Here
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Who would want physical gold as collateral when you can have insolvent greek bank shares??? HELLOOOOO?  /sarc

At least Europe will be true to its socialist dreams. Bank nationalizations are just a logical step for this fucked up continent.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:30 | 1616171 MFL8240
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And the US banks are.......... Not nationalized???  Come on! Public liability private profits, the US banks are the most nationalized fraudulent banks on the planet.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:45 | 1616240 NotApplicable
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Well, except for all of the rest.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:31 | 1617196 Nothing To See Here
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That's an half-truth. Most US banks were not nationalized before the 2008 bailouts. But I understand your point.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:20 | 1616126 Vincent Vega
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For those who held on to their shares; rumor is they will also allow Lincoln S&L stock to be put up as collateral.  <sarc>

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:22 | 1616135 Mediocritas
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I find this pretty funny. Offer shares of insolvent banks as collateral, grab the bailout money from all the suckers, then watch the banks fail anyway, and hand over ownership of the lumps of shit to the same suckers who bailed you out so the big black hole becomes THEIR problem. ROFL!

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!!

I have a better idea.

Offer Fins free accommodation (and maybe flights) to take holidays to Greece during the winter as collateral. That's something Fins actually WANT because Helsinki truly sucks in the winter, plus it gives Greece a chance to earn some euros as Fins spend on food, sight-seeing, etc. I wish I was joking but let's face it, such a stupid idea is infinitely better than what's actually being considered right now.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:25 | 1616150 snowball777
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Add one greek slave to take home with them and you've got a deal.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:31 | 1616172 dwdollar
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Modern day Trojan Horse?  Only one thing...  is anyone stupid enough to accept it?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:35 | 1616191 Mediocritas
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Trojan Horse, exactly. And knowing the Greeks, they've probably bought a whole stack of CDS on those banks so they'll get to have their cake and eat it too. Haha, I admire their gall.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:35 | 1616197 Dick Darlington
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Never underestimate the stupidity of politicans.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:49 | 1616263 tekhneek
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I know, I can see it now: "Well... this time they provided us with collateral.... so... yeah. Let's do this."

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 16:13 | 1616381 LMAO
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And even better:

Of the EUR109 billion expected to make up the euro zone's second rescue package for Greece, at least EUR20 billion is earmarked for Greek banks, according to Handelsblatt.

With € 20 billion earmarked for Greek banks, about 20% of collateral offered  is in fact  the 20 billion coming from the of rescue package itself.

Happy donkaments everybody, let's go all-in with 2-7 os preflop

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:25 | 1617943 CompassionateFascist
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There are no tango palaces in Greece. Finns won't go there.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:23 | 1616141 Missiondweller
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My favorite thing about this website is Tyler's acid sarcasm. Brilliant!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:23 | 1616143 Dick Darlington
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Let's see what happens in Finland if the eurofanatics agree to accept the equity of the insolvent banks as collateral. The anti-euro True Finns, who made it big in the recent elections, have been getting even more support after they refused to be a part of the "eurofanatic government". According to every single poll AFTER the decision NOT to join the government because of the irresponsible european politics practised by the National Coalition, True Finns have been the biggest party in Finland. The leader of the party, Timo Soini, is calling Finland to stop the bail out madness and just say no to all bail outs and especially the Greek #2. If the government accepts this my bet is that they won't survive untill christmas.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 15:24 | 1616146 luckylogger
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I sure wish I came up with a solution like that for the bill collectors that keep calling.................... wonder if it would work?

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