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Eurosis For Dummies - A Timely Reminder

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Just over six months ago the following clip provided the most succinct explanation of the European crisis. It seems after this weekend's debacle and today's market wake-up call that a reminder is needed. Perhaps summed up best by the following interchange, this is five minutes well-spent:

Where does the money for the bailouts come from?
All the governments in Europe including Greece, Italy, and Spain.


And who is allowed to receive money from it?
All the governments in Europe including Greece, Italy, and Spain.


How can that possibly work?
It can't, but Europeans like bad ideas that sound nice!

 

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Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:19 | 2515265 hedgeless_horseman
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All bailout money comes miraculously from Saint Gutenburg, the patron saint of bankers.  I believe his cathedral relics are located in Heidelberg.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:20 | 2515296 Roy Bush
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Taxpayers have nothing to do with the issue.  Taxes are never ever going to pay off the debts incurred by these governments. To imply they do is just a ruse to keep people voting and hoping for change that will never happen.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:28 | 2515327 Leopold B. Scotch
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Yea! 99% 'ers.  Keep'n alive the audacity of HOPE, dammit!

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:32 | 2515332 hedgeless_horseman
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Taxpayers have nothing to do with the issue

The Inflation Tax we all pay has everything to do with this issue.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:22 | 2515701 Panafrican Funk...
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I would give you gold stars, but I need that gold to cover my ass because of this.  

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 19:08 | 2516305 Hugh_Jorgan
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The female character has the fundamental misconception that Government services and government jobs drive the economy.

 

Even the Europeans that get it, don't get it.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 17:47 | 2516127 Ghordius
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+1 - still, it's smooth, too smooth. Well crafted propaganda. Well coordinated shorting advice. Lots of preparations...
We'll see, I'm skeptical of this one.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:37 | 2515350 goldfish1
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Next question:

Where do all the governments in the EU get the money for the bailouts?

 

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:46 | 2515368 eclectic syncretist
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Next question:

Where do all the governments in the EU get the money for the bailouts?

Answer - they get it from the imagineering departments at their local central bank

 

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:22 | 2515704 Not Too Important
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As I understand it, when an EU country officially asks for a bailout, they are no longer obligated to contribute to future bailouts. So now, we've got four countries not contributing. Cyprus is probably next, followed by Italy. So the percentages of the remaining contributors are climbing mightily.

Now, even if an EU country didn't need a bailout (if there is such a thing) it would make financial sense to ask for something, and eliminate their percentage of bailout risk entirely. Ask for a few million, nothing much, and the responsibility is gone.

Ireland may want a rewrite, but all the others are looking at eliminating their group risk, vs. keeping their EU standing. A small bailout is all it takes.

And if Germany and/or France pulls out of the EU, who's left to fill the gap? And they're still owed on whatever debt they haven't sold to the ECB. Sell that debt to the Russians and let them collect. Brutal.

Russia and China (and all the rest of the non-western countries) are running away from Those Who Rule Canary Wharf as fast as they can. But they will buy the debt for pennies on the dollar and send in their "collectors". There won't be anything left if the western debtors want any energy.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 17:25 | 2516081 kraschenbern
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But paying off the debt is not the issue.  Debt service is.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:54 | 2515394 Gully Foyle
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hedgeless_horseman

this whole discussion is based on an illusion that you are pointing at.

Nothing is real it is all digital.

Ones and zeros on a server somehwere.

In a sense it is miraculously created, like Aphrodite from Zeus head it springs full grown. A thought turned "real".

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:15 | 2515272 fourchan
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systematic problems can not be fixed piecemeal.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 16:38 | 2515947 OldPossum
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...don't you mean "systemic"? ;-)

but then, of course, you are right. The first systemic problem is capitalism, a system depending on perpetual annual growth on a planet with finite and nearly exhausted resources. And the second are interests, leading fo exponential growth of debts. 

Btw: Occupy's David Graeber wrote "DEBT - The First 5000 Years" --  a good read. Looks like "debts" are the third systemic problem..!

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:15 | 2515273 Temporalist
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Another reminder from Clarke and Dawes:

Clarke and Dawes ask the million dollar questions ABC News Australian Broadcasting Corporation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thSTpGnWEAs

 

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:20 | 2515297 mayhem_korner
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Priceless.  I like the "you're wasting a lot of valuable time here, Roger..."

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:15 | 2515276 icanhasbailout
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the money comes from you, at gunpoint

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:16 | 2515277 txsilverbug
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baffle em with bullshit.. that seems to be what has been working lately..

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:31 | 2515335 Dr. Richard Head
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The cirlce argument of bailing out countries is often blamed on the social progams of said country, yet the bailout money goes to the banks and the people of those countries get higher taxes.  I wish more would see the banks are the pivot man in this game of limp biscuit.

I guess there are still millions in this world that are fooled by "Look over there!" act of distraction.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:36 | 2515348 NotApplicable
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Nah, it's all connected. If not for all of that social program spending (of all stripes), they wouldn't have had to borrow all of that "money" from the banksters.

Which isn't to say I consider any "citizen" liable for these debts incurred. But there's a connection, all right, as it is the core problem.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:40 | 2515356 Dr. Richard Head
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Yet the banks lend out this money, knowing full well said countries will default or have to restructure (i.e. bailout) and the banks make out again.  The intermediary money changers are what allows for these hollow promises for social welfare to even be uttered and propped up.  In the end, the resources going to the banks FAR outweigh any social safety net outflows, no?

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:47 | 2515374 Spastica Rex
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YOU'RE NOT LOOKING OVER THERE!

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:49 | 2515378 Dr. Richard Head
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Is that a cookie?  I swear that looks like a cookie.  I'm gonna go check it out.  What were we talking about again?  Damn, this is one good cookie.  Did you guys try this cookie over here?

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 17:26 | 2516083 kraschenbern
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Nothing to see here; move along.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:44 | 2515364 goldfish1
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B U L L S H I T. Core problem your ass. Social programs are the fraction that keeps the rubes in line while the whole is stolen out from under their noses. Wake up, rube.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:51 | 2515386 Dr. Richard Head
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That is the way I tend to look at it.  Chances are I will continue to view it this way until someone can provide me truth otherwise. 

In the end, I am tired of being collateral for some bankers who end up extracting taxes from me because of some arbitrary national boundries that came as a result of someone else's fight.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 17:11 | 2516058 Umh
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I'm not even going to say that bankers are innocent, but they did'nt want to buy all that sovereign debt. If they did want to buy massive quantities of sovereign debt they would at least diversify and buy other countries debt. It's like the old saying that you don't want your retirement account invested in your employers stocks or bonds.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:16 | 2515279 mayhem_korner
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Is it wrong if my eyeglasses fetish extends to computer-animated office workers?

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:22 | 2515306 cdude
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Nothing wrong with it as long as it's "consensual". 

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:16 | 2515281 Snakeeyes
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Great!

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:20 | 2515301 Boilermaker
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Right.

Just as they equities markets gets rammed back to parity.  Direct intervention at 12:30 and constant bid up since in a straight line.

Why don't you create an animation about that.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:22 | 2515304 ArrestBobRubin
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And what did the "governments" do with it?

Handed the "money" right back to their true paymasters, the very same global bankster trash who brought their once-great nations into a state of financial, societal and cultural ruin. For fun and profit.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:25 | 2515312 slaughterer
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I want to take that British office woman with glasses home with me.  

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:27 | 2515320 francis_sawyer
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so ~ you're a jogger are you?

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:30 | 2515336 Temporalist
Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:34 | 2515343 francis_sawyer
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A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat...

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:26 | 2515314 francis_sawyer
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H.M.M.M.M.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:26 | 2515316 insanelysane
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It's called working together as in we need to get out of this deep hole buy using shovels and digging some more.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 17:32 | 2516093 Umh
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Could you at least dig on an upward slant:)

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:26 | 2515318 junkyardjack
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In the meantime while everyone is trying to figure it out, BTFD....

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:27 | 2515322 sockratte
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if you sink, you must spread your arms...

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:28 | 2515329 Peter Pan
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The European leadership are about as useful as a plumber on the Titanic.

Just remember, there AIN'T any real money funding these hare brained schemes. Just useless guarantees.

Anyone who says after the collapse that it all happened too fast, will need to be shot. This collapse is about the slowest one could wish for in terms of preparing.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:55 | 2515395 Sweet Chicken
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True dat!

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:28 | 2515330 slaughterer
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BTFD is over, it is now time for STFP

Short The Fucking Pop

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:29 | 2515331 TNTARG
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2nd. statement is wrong.

The money doesn't go to "Italy, Spain", etc., but tu PRIVATE BANKS of those States.

That is to say: The bank's gambling has to be paid by the citizens.

 

Nice "socialism" for the banks!!!

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:36 | 2515346 Dr. Richard Head
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Bingo!  Bank execs decry socialism for the people, while at the same time taking socialism for the banks.  Yet people buy this load of bullshit and start arguing that it is the fault of people on welfare.  I don't agree with any form of socialism, as it relies on enforcement of said socialism through violenc, yet the masses fall for it hook, line, and stinker.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:33 | 2515337 rwe2late
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 The video is a dummy's explanation for other dummies.

Instead:

Who pays for the bailouts?: The citizens of every country

Who gets the bailouts?: The financial syndicate of no country.

How can that work?: The swindle works by misdirection and lies, primarily through the mainstream media. But often with the help of uncritical dupes (or dopes?) who, after subtle and not-so-subtle appeals to their prejudices, parrot the MSM narrative.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:36 | 2515345 THE DORK OF CORK
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What a load of Horseshit.

 

Lets look at real resourse usage.

 Spain - 8.6% decline in oil consumption YoY (March)

Italy can take more Leeches as it is much less Leveraged then Spain but a decline of 12.2% YoY is quite something.

But Nobody is asking where this blood / oil / credit is going ?

If America reduced its oil consumption 12.2 % in one year many thousands would die walking to the Supermarket.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:45 | 2515367 insanelysane
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Let's focus on resource usage. The Libs tell us that we use more than our fair share of the natural resources of the world.  But notice they also say that the US debt means nothing.

Let's look at it this way, if the US wasn't borrowing $1 trillion per year to "fund" the government, investors would be able to lend that money to all of the "poorer" countries around the world.  The US Government is consuming most of the available credit available in the world and no one says a thing.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:04 | 2515421 erheault
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The us government is buying over 63% of the treasuries it is selling, The dollars are coming from big bens printing factories, In other words we are buying our own debt with fiat dollars,  How long this can go on is the only question left, Zero will try to hold it together untill reelection time on Hope and Change wishful thinking but the only change we will get will be very painful to our wellbeing.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:36 | 2515347 Eric L. Prentis
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Malinvestment, malinvestment and more malinvestment—the economic consequences of additional bank bailout insanity, throwing good money after bad, is devastating, long-term.

 

The 1% banksters continue to win, screwing the 99%. One-hundred thousand psychopathic banksters should be in prison for five years and barred from the financial industry for another ten years. This is the only way to get the fraudsters out of the political process, so we can implement real economic change.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:40 | 2515357 mayhem_korner
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The 1% banksters continue to win, screwing the 99%.

 

As long as you insist on keeping the 99% label sewn to your undies, you can never and will never win. 

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:44 | 2515361 NotApplicable
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Ummm... it's the "political process" that engenders ALL of the fraud in the first place. Clear the rats out as many times as you please, but you may notice that you're merely creating the vacancy for the next generation.

As long as people insist upon being enslaved other unders who they believe they empower, nothing will improve.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:41 | 2515359 slaughterer
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Eurosis for Super Dummiers:

EU Bailout = Mother of All Malinvestment

(Cartoon over)

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:44 | 2515363 Grand Supercycle
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Rally Warning from last week:

'Daily chart now gives bullish warning and significant
SPX rally & USDX retracement should commence in a week or so'

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-24/market-analysis

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:47 | 2515375 blindman
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Want A Collapse Trigger? Here It Is
http://market-ticker.org/post=207145
.
beer run / bank run, while your out
do both; and buy some silver or gold.
Beer Run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyCPhIjmk-s
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J-ldJ9Iy9g
songs of languid liquidity. it seems there
are forces of nature involved here that will
not be denied?
contrary to media propagated opinion, federalism
is not for everyone and the truth is that no one
can afford it once it takes hold. we will see, anyway,
enjoy the bank/beer runs.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 13:57 | 2515401 Poetic injustice
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Doctor, I am developinga case of Stockholm syndrome! And everybody I know has it, it's epidemic!

Ah, so you must be from Europe? Everybody there has a Stockholm syndrome.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:07 | 2515428 russwinter
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This could be big and suggest that Bruce Krasting’s theory is correct. Finland’s PM quoted in Bloomberg. The question is do they write off the bad debt and keep gente going along as debt slaves?

Bloomberg:

Finland doesn’t want any of Spain’s bailout to prop up unhealthy lenders and expects some troubled banks to be split up as the northernmost euro member outlines the conditions it understands are attached to the rescue deal agreed on June 9.

“The unhealthy banks should be brought down or some banks should be possible to chop up” so that the healthy parts continue and the rest ends in a so-called bad bank, Finnish Prime MinisterJyrki Katainensaid in an interview in Norway today. “There must be a possibility to restructure the banking sector because it doesn’t make sense to recapitalize banks which are not capable of running.”

 

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:09 | 2515449 orangegeek
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defaults and deflation - the future of this planet is going to suck

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:13 | 2515462 knowshitsurelock
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Let me see if I understand what you're saying.  The banks loan money to these countries, collect fees, charge interest, incumber collateral...and then these countries turn right around a give that money right back to the banks?

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:24 | 2515508 Barking Spaniel
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I am so sick and tired of all this negativity.  Who wants to join me in a campfire singalong of "Kum Ba Yah?" 

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 22:35 | 2516788 my puppy for prez
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Only if we can sing "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing" after that!  :  )

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:34 | 2515554 vh070
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Like bailing the boat by emptying the bucket into the bilge.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:48 | 2515585 Shizzmoney
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"Aw Geez, Not This Shit Again!"

http://www.navlog.org/aw_jeez.jpg

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 14:54 | 2515601 Dog Daze
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Where does the money for the bailouts come from?
All the governments in Europe including Greece, Italy, and Spain.

No, it comes from the TAXPAYERS of said countries

And who is allowed to receive money from it?
All the governments in Europe including Greece, Italy, and Spain.

No, the BANKERS in said countries will get the money

How can that possibly work?
It can't, but Europeans like bad ideas that sound nice!

It CAN and it WILL work at least until the entire system collapses

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:01 | 2515626 Gromit
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Who guarantees the guarantors?

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:17 | 2515689 dylan
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just wanted to point out the water dispenser is full of milk

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:18 | 2515690 Fix It Again Timmy
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So, Spain needs a loan so it can pay certain bondholders their due except since expenses far outstrip revenues, soverign debt payments may be lacking.  Say there is a country out there somewhere with 100% employment and tons of successful exports that are growing quite nicely.  Everyone is healthy and healthcare costs are next to none, the people, being 100% employed, are conscientious savers who will not need any sort of pension when they retire.  The people are taxed but do not mind this inconvenience since every tax dollar is carefully spent to actually improve the lives of it's citizens.  Collected taxes are so niggardly spent that this country has a huge fiscal surplus that it can be carefully invested and thus grow into an even larger surplus.  Now, if such a country existed, do you think it would loan one cent to Spain to BAIL it out?  Ok, then where in the hell is the money coming from?  How many countries have a huge surplus of capital just looking to be loaned out - NONE, so..........

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 15:19 | 2515696 kekekekekekeke
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requesting a new silver bears video please

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 17:18 | 2516065 Miffed Microbio...
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This whole scenario seem like the South Park episode "Margaritaville", when all the debt is discharged through the "magical credit card" and the " consulting the chart" was just cutting of the chicken's head to determine the next move. Geez, I thought that was just some farcical sick humor....so it really was a documentary?

Miffed:-)

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 20:41 | 2516492 shovelhead
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Here is your bailout.

Now please insert this check into the enclosed addressed envelope and return mail it to The ECB.

Thank you and we appreciate your business.

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