Eurozone To Avoid Any Popular Vote In Treaty Change

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Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:24 | 1951671 Ahmeexnal
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Fascism.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:25 | 1951680 GeneMarchbanks
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Really? See below.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:36 | 1951757 MillionDollarBonus_
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Referendums are in reality a failed policy. Just look at what happened to Greek bond yields following the referendum on the rescue package. This is stark indication of the chaos that would ensue if European politicians start giving into populism and forgo vital economic reforms. Europe is suffering from a crisis of LEADERSHIP, and I hardly see how this is solved by wasting more time on tedious and wearisome referendums.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:45 | 1951804 Ahmeexnal
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Euro collapse already being priced in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS2q0Etepic

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:58 | 1951860 redpill
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Gotta make sure all the bankers, er I mean bondholders stay whole.  Ration toilet paper to Spanish children if you have to, but for gods sake save the bankers!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:20 | 1951983 JustObserving
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Just stop feeding them - no need for toilet paper. No austerity is enough to save the banksters.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:43 | 1952108 redpill
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Now that is the type of creative solution Europe needs more of these days.  All these people hung up on, you know, MATH and such, it's just unhelpful.  We need solutions!  Onward, Europa!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:23 | 1952002 WonderDawg
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TPTB will do what they want to do, regardless of laws, treaties, contractual agreements, etc. It is crucial to understand this. You might not like it, but at least you'll understand the motives if not the mechanics of the levers being pulled.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:38 | 1952084 The Big Ching-aso
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"Silence, peasants!"

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 17:17 | 1952658 OttoMBMP
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If there are no votes, there will be violence on the streets.
I wonder what the excuse of the German constitutional court will be this time. Its president has said recently, more integration would need a vote, as the constitution has been stretched to its limits.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:52 | 1951819 knukles
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I once saw a magician place a very nice young lady in box and proceed to saw it/her in half.  As the years went by, his deteriorating mental faculties contributed to his self imposed descent into an alcoholic hell.  Of late, he has failed miserably at the trick and sawn two young ladies completely in half much to the shragrin and revulsion of his audience.  He is now looking for a new assistant.  In all good faith, I have forwarded your name.
Regards,
Knukles

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:57 | 1951854 Hugh_Jorgan
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As if a popular vote means anything. The unelected jackals at the helm of the EU have simply ignored any results they didn't like in the past, anyway.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:39 | 1952094 oogs66
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funny the guys who aren't elected have figured out ways to make changes without votes...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:08 | 1951935 karzai_luver
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Mdb

 

You would be correct , why allow a bunch of deadbeats and members of the various FSA groups worldwide to vote when we all know that only the owners and those with money should make the rules.

 

Hell. it's how the good ol UsofA was founded and it seems to have ran off the rails since the vote was extended to the idiot masses.

 

Get on with it.

 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:57 | 1952170 El Viejo
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The UK can and probably will single-handily torpedo the treaty changes proposed by Merkel and Sarkozy.
From here:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/12/12-of-26-economists-in-financial-times.html

 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:16 | 1952298 Hober Mallow
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People have the right to go fuck themselves and their children. Its called natural selection. Don't mess up with that process.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:34 | 1952428 Cadavre
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Flash - the EZ is "CONSIDERING" double upping on the proposed bail. Every time that big bag of CDS crap looks likes it gonna be called - something happens and allows the "catastrophic" ruse to game the muggles out of more of their disposable harvest!

Wonder why the congress did not follow through on it's drama time rage threats to examine the cradit rating agencies when the mortgage fraud was exposed? Remember the indignant posing when some sub committee asked "How did you guys miss this?"?

The Credit raters didn't miss anything. Maybe Agencies didn't scour the prospectuses - who does? - but they did read the executive summaries the bond factories  with the rating requests. Easy to guess that the reason congress did not follow through on it's "War On The Rating Agencies" shtick: Congress knew that the agencies would produce evidence that the Bond Factories (a major source of many a congress twits disposable and recreational cash) had lied on their executive representations of the underlying prospectuses - bribers in jail no bribes to buy play time at the kiddie brothel for the Honorable Mr. Findthequarter from the great state of Childlovers.

Why did one of the biggest debt branders around, Lehman Brothers, spread out across the heartland to set up retail mortgage kiosks? Awfully convenient when we take a look back.

The story is a onetime MD in California, with people problems, actually read the prospectuses underlying them toxic bonds was the first to spot a market and write the CDS. The story continues that Goldman's, who did the structuring for the CA MD, was really curious about what the ex-doc was doing. Was it new - or was Goldman wondering if the ex-doc smelled the sour fish in the Golman cash registes? Fortunately, Lehman's went belly up bankrupt - and was allowed to do nothing more that apologize.

Then MF Global runs the same shtick, again, just in time to make those on the other side of the invisible swap counter rich.

Almost like it was planned - PNAC - Repeal of Glass Stegal - box cutter bandits and crash fireballs into buildings - war - war - war - very foggy war - all going on while Lehman's kiosks are selling 1 million dollar mortgages to nail salon technicians in Sonoma.

Looks like everybody is working for Goldman deze daze! Very important to allow EUR/USD short squeeze more play time - err right up to the expiration date on the contracts held by GS and JPM - followed by a nest of IPO scams for instant water or ethereal dream weaver organ extender products to help muggles avoid the guilt associated with tugging to images of Hilary's not too inconspicuous and very substantial panty hose busters struggling to board the Arc to Never Never Land.

The problem - the really big problem - if we look with open eyes - is the fact that almost all public political employees seem to have left their survival skills in the lost and found at one of them new age dominion heresy institutions (Harvard, Cambridge, MIT, etc etc) they all attend before boarding the Diebold directed bribery gravy train. It's unnatural for prey not to run away when the gutting blade is flashed. Takes all the fun out of it.

A claim of exceptional-ism never kept the chicken out any body's pot i know. The poor zero brained twits we hire to manage the fiduciary oversight of our authorization for expenditures can't even remove their hand from a hot flame without an advisor suggesting they do it. Don't even want to imagine what they got caked up in their underwear.

Breaking: Look for Lindsey Graham to play "butch" and David Drierer to do the reach around, Long K&Y and street poppers!  I smell hot tuna cooking in the future of these two amigas!

Got a call from the district's congress boob today. It was a conference call pretending to be a town hall. Pressed Star 3 to ask a question and a staffer busts in and asks me what I am going to ask. Advice: When calling in to CSPAN or one of these make believe telephonic town hall conjurations and a gate keeper wants to review your question: LIE. Give them some BS talking point question, like about wanting to know what they are doing about border security, etc. Don't ask the real question until you get the pulpit.

American CEO to rank and file pay ratio 475:1 - in France it's 12:1. Guessing American CEO's are very exceptional. Up em to 1000:1 and we be "leveraged" back to the stone age!

 

 

 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:28 | 1951701 kito
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yep, but effective ;)

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:50 | 1951745 Ahmeexnal
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Indeed, specially when TPTB have already emasculated the sheeple.

We've seen this happen before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRSrSml1Hvw&feature=relmfu

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:34 | 1951741 EscapeKey
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Fascism is the new democracy.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:41 | 1951775 john39
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those tinfoil hat wearing NWO conspiracy theorists are a bunch of idiots... there is no shadow government slowly and systematically removing sovereignty and rights across the world in order to create a fascist world dictatorship.  for example, the EU has a legally binding treaty that will protect the people's rights and viewpoints....  /s

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:00 | 1951871 redpill
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Actually it's a good point.  There is no shadow organization secretly eroding liberty.  These assholes are doing it right out in the open.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:13 | 1951961 macholatte
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Fascism ( /?fæ??z?m/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2]

Fascists seek to rejuvenate their nation based on commitment to the national community as an organic entity, in which individuals are bound together in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood.[3] To achieve this, fascists purge forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[3] Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, discipline and family policy (such as eugenics).[4][5] That state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions.[6] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

  

"But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire.  They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies.  If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning.  Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it?  And yet -----!" 

--- Orwell  1984

 

"All past oligarchies have fallen from power either because they ossified or because they grew soft.  Either they became stupid and arrogant, failed to adjust themselves to changing circumstances, and were overthrown; or they became liberal and cowardly, made concessions when they should have used force, and once again were overthrown. ... It is in the ranks of the Party, and above all the Inner Party, that the true war enthusiasm is found. ... If human equality is to be for ever averted -- if the High, as we have called them, are to keep their places permanently -- then the prevailing mental condition must be controlled insanity."

--- Orwell  1984

 

 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:25 | 1952017 EscapeKey
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:47 | 1952124 CH1
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Your definition is the real one.

The others are built upon the imperative that "we may not be defined as fascist."

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:09 | 1952253 falak pema
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I'll drink to that in montrachet, vosne, st emilion or champy. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:37 | 1952453 Ghordius
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The Italian version has roots in the Free Cities of the Holy Roman Empire.

Often they were run by Corporations, one Corp, one vote. Saves money on election campaigns.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:14 | 1951865 Popo
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What remains to be seen is what will replace the voting booth.   I have a feeling it will be a combination of sniper rifles and molotov cocktails.   Both of which are very effective at conveying voter sentiment.

Judging from the Italian protest videos... I'll wager things get ugly there first...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:26 | 1952025 EscapeKey
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Ah don't worry, we'll still have elections. And isn't it grand that 99.87% of the voting public are in agreement?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:14 | 1951965 SheepDog-One
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For the rest of my life I will LAUGH in anyones face who starts in with a lecture on 'democracy'...what a damn farce.

OH sure, this 'democracy' is a fine system when they can control the outcome of the vote....when they cant, then the veil is lifted to show it was total fascism there the whole time!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:41 | 1951778 AbelCatalyst
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I would like to propose a new 3-party system:

1. Democrats

2. Republicans

3. Math

I'm not sure the first two understand the third, and I'm not sure there is a difference in the first two.  

So, I guess we're back to a 2-party system:

1. Republocrat

2. Math  

You choose!!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:45 | 1951805 EscapeKey
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Hegelian dialectics.

Democrats = thesis

Republican = antithesis

Fascist dictatorship = synthesis.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:15 | 1951827 hedgeless_horseman
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Lombardi dialectics.

Democrats = Blue Team

Republican = Red Team

Fascist dictators = NFL Owners

 

Vote (buy your damn jersey) and cheer. 

 

We have been conditioned to self-divide, and so, we have been conquered.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:20 | 1951989 GeneMarchbanks
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Yeah, but at least you 'participate' willingly in being conquered.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:44 | 1952114 Chupacabra-322
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·         The Fatherland- Socialist/Nazi Germany

The Motherland - Communist Russia

The Homeland? – An Unspeakable Bastard crossbreed of the two above!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:58 | 1951847 kaiten
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I cant see any protests in the streets. Europeans use to protest for much less important issues, so clearly it doesnt bother them. (As much as it bothers you).

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:17 | 1951979 macholatte
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I cant see any protests in the streets.

 

There are no unions to instigate and stampede the herds of sheeple.  Perhaps the union bosses have been bought off.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:57 | 1951856 economics1996
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Let them (Euro) burn for awhile so they can contemplate the consequences of socialism and their decades march towards fascism.  Burn baby burn.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:36 | 1952077 Chupacabra-322
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Posted this yesterday.  Still don't believe we live in a Corporate Fascist Global Banking Dictatorship.  Watch this.

UNITED STATES is a Corporation - There are Two Constitutions - Sovereignty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:36 | 1952080 papaswamp
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I was thinking more like an Oligarchy. Fascism seems more nationalistic....which clearly isn't the case. This is a small group running the whole show....now openly excluding the people. Interestingly (so far) the people are letting them even though the average person continues to loose wealth with this arrangement. People still buying the 'things will get better in the near future' mantra.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:40 | 1952098 Chupacabra-322
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From Wiki

On 29 April 1945, the bodies of Mussolini, Petacci, and the other executed Fascists were loaded into a moving van and trucked south to Milan. There, at 3:00 am, they were dumped on the ground in the old Piazzale Loreto. The piazza had been renamed "Piazza Quindici Martiri" in honor of 15 anti-Fascists recently executed there.[122]

After being shot, kicked, and spat upon, the bodies were hung upside down on meathooks from the roof of an Esso gas station. The bodies were then stoned by civilians from below. This was done both to discourage any Fascists from continuing the fight and as an act of revenge for the hanging of many partisans in the same place by Axis authorities. The corpse of the deposed leader became subject to ridicule and abuse. Fascist loyalist Achille Starace was captured and sentenced to death and then taken to the Piazzale Loreto and shown the body of Mussolini. Starace, who once said of Mussolini "He is a god,"[123] saluted what was left of his leader just before he was shot. The body of Starace was subsequently strung up next to the body of Mussolini.

 

Little do they (Government) know that there're next. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 18:14 | 1952865 Reptil
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"Fascism" is correct. The Lisbon Treaty is the gift that keeps on giving. All 6000 pages of it.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:24 | 1951672 GeneMarchbanks
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Democracy bitchez!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:30 | 1952046 junkyardjack
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The people don't know what's good for them.  Its better for the banks to tell them what's best

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:27 | 1951679 Gauthijm
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Squid alert !

man these guys are everywhere

This would be incredible, if they pass this without a vote; not completely surprising, but essentially these countries are not democracies, if they ever were...

Rule by technocrat, I hope the US escpaes this fate

 

But I am not hopeful

 

Jean

 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:32 | 1951726 Lucius Corneliu...
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Rule by technocrat, I hope the US escpaes this fate

Too late.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:00 | 1951868 economics1996
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Red neck nation is ready to set up the barricades and the blinds.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtiBdBc2uMU

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:16 | 1951974 Ragnar24
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I'll back Red Neck Nation all damn day over the scumbags trying to manipulate their way into "totalitarian democracy". We've just got make sure all rednecks understand that the liberty they love is also being eroded by their globalist GOP favorites (Perry most notably -- he's a Bilderberger)! 

And I thought I wanted to go on a boar hunt (with knife), but I think that video changed my mind! brutal.

Ron Paul 2012.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:26 | 1952022 economics1996
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The proper way is to put the hog on its side and stab right into the heart from the belly into the heart.  The guy was a novice.  Hunting most definitely separates the talkers from the walkers.


The assholes in DC will end up like the communist inn the USSR, begging for a paycheck and starving to death pretending they have some power.  We got their number.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:38 | 1952086 SheepDog-One
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I'd rather be with 'red necks' fighting the pencil-neck psychopath dictators.

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