As Expected, Ireland Is First To Demand Debt Relief In Greek Bailout Aftermath

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Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:25 | 1908643 quasimodo
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Reminds me of the book "Me too Iguana" in the Sweet Pickles series books as a younger person.

Iguana always wanted what everyone else had. Ireland sure as hell ain't the last one that will be saying "me too"

Of course "Elephant eats the profits" story can be plugged into about any damn article on this website

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:27 | 1908655 mynhair
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Iguana must have been an OWS drone.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:38 | 1908706 bonderøven-farm ass
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éirigh amach.......bitchezz.......!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:06 | 1908778 TruthInSunshine
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Go Icelandic* (despite the dire warnings of the 'responsible' banksters about how a large comet will wipe out your nation) and break the fractional reserve bankster racketeering Ponzi.

If the debt allegedly owed found its origin in fiat that was printed at zero cost basis by a fractional reserve bank, with said fiat having no inherent wealth & being tied to nothing of inherent value, let the Money Masters stew over their 0% loss as you default with your chin held high (they conjured the 'loan basis' from thin air at no cost to them and have nothing to lose; this is a provable fact).

It's time for a global purge after the 250+ year fractional reserve banking binge to allow the world to get back to an economic system based on common sense and moral financial values (i.e. do not pay interest on phantom & illusory debt shoved upon alleged sovereign nations as a result of treasonous representative legislatures selling their collective souls to the Money Masters).

Die, Money Master parasites, die.

*Compare how Iceland is faring versus how Ireland or Greece is faring at present; can you tell who is thriving and who is dying?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:07 | 1908786 Uber Vandal
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There needs to be a +1000000 button for outstanding comments, but +1 will have to do....

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:46 | 1908869 M.B. Drapier
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It's too late. The money is already paid out to the banks. And to be fair, while a large chunk of it was clearly paid out at gunpoint, under menaces from the ECB, Geithner and friends, other large chunks were paid out pretty willingly as the Irish state tried to keep its precious darlings the banks alive. So all we can do now is demand that other people's taxpayers cover part of the bill for us. Well, at least until and unless further losses at the banks blow through all the money they've been given already. But that could never happen ...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:49 | 1908878 agent default
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The only thing that large comet will wipe out is them. And the horrible things that will happen, will happen to them. Understand this simple fact:  Any country needs four or five banks.  You do not need those four banks.  Ireland does not need Allied Irish  or Bank of Ireland or anything like that.  Let them die and start two new banks in their place with fresh capital that can support the economy.  It will be much cheaper and much more effective.  And the US does not need GS or City or BOA or JPM.  It needs a few healthy banks.  It will be cheaper and more effective to set them up instead of perpetually bailing out those asses.  And we need the FED/ECB like JFK needed a hole in his head.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 22:49 | 1909256 Harlequin001
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But who will invest in the new banks if they've all lost their money in the old, and if the old banks go bust, how will the govt make good on lost deposits if they can't sell the same levels of soon-to-be-defaulted debt to new banks that won't buy it because the last banks that did went bust as a consequence?

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 06:03 | 1910108 jeff montanye
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very confused comment.  deposits (and their insurance) and bank equity/bonds (and their bailouts) are quite different.  also u.s. banks didn't become insolvent because they bought u.s. treasury bonds (yet)

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:08 | 1910286 Harlequin001
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'Yet' is the operative word, and the govt can't fund FDIC without selling bonds to raise the money, or just plain printing it...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:53 | 1908891 Peak Everything
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Fractional reserves make it easier to borrow money (and of course generate more profit for banks). Regardless of how easy it is to borrow money, if you live beyond your means there will be unavoidable negative consequences. Live within your means and you will be secure and the banks will not make excessive profits. Countries with excess debt have no one to blame but themselves.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:24 | 1909052 TruthInSunshine
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I was in the process of writing a lengthy response to your sloppily written statements, whereby you even failed to draw the critical distinction between commercial banks which depend upon the Federal Reserve Bank for capitalization with federal reserve notes (conjured from thin air, backed by nothing of intrinsic value), and then I decided to write a bare minimum of a response, because chances are, I'd be wasting my time.

Here are some buzz words and phrases  that you can utilize to understand why this distinction is critical, though:

Fractional Reserve Banking

Modern Money Mechanics

Gold Standard

Monetary Base

Fiat Currency


Roman Currency (or coins) Post-Marcus Aurelius

Ludwig von Mises

Full Reserve Banking

Rothbard on Fractional Reserve Banking: A Critique

Kaldor-Hicks Efficiency and the Problem of Central Planning

Milton Friedman

Alan Greenspan's Thoughts On Abandonment of a Gold Standard (pre-Federal Reserve Days)


That's enough for now, but give me a more specific reason as to why my thoughts on Iceland are incorrect in your opinion, or whether you honestly think you can support your contention that the present crisis debt-saturated sovereigns have today is the predominant result of individuals comprising society being able to overload their respective nations' balance sheets with unpayable levels of debt, after you make a critical and necessary distinction between "banks" and "fractional reserve banking," if you so choose to do so.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:27 | 1909088 Peak Everything
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Wow you are strange. I stand by my comments. I am not defending the banks. But they would be much less problematic if people borrowed much less money.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:50 | 1909095 TruthInSunshine
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Why am I strange to ask of you, as a baseline minimum, to concede that "banks" or "banking" and "fractional reserve banks" or "fractional reserve banking" are not only not the same thing, as your comments at least implied, but that they're not even in the same ballpark (or universe).

You were responding to my initial comments on Iceland's response to the debt problem it faced, correct, when you failed to make that distinction?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 22:17 | 1909192 UP Forester
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Just drop him.  He probably works for the TSA, and thinks the body scanners won't give him dick cancer.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:15 | 1909311 Harlequin001
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Truth, are you guys even arguing about the same thing? Peak seems to be saying that if people/countries borrowed less then we wouldn't have this problem, which is correct, and you seem to be saying that if the money was not originally loaned from real capital then it should not need to be repaid or honored, which is fair enough. Personally I find it stunning that China can create currency from thin air and use it to buy US or other foreign assets. Do correct me if I'm wrong here. 

What is the point of the argument?

For what it's worth, my view is that Iceland is doing as well as any debtor suddenly relieved of its burden of debt but it only does well for as long as nobody else has defaulted. When they do and the global economy falls apart they will not fair nearly as well and we might then see a different story. In the long run we will all need to live with the consequences of a global default, but we might need a few billion fewer people on the planet before we can be comfortable with it.

Seems to me that we need to go back to gold backing for a generation or two before humanity embarks on the next round of fiat before it again collapses and we go back to gold backing again and so on and so on. It is a cycle, that's all.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 20:42 | 1908973 macholatte
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A parasite lives in a close relationship with another organism, its host, and causes it harm.  The parasite is dependent on its host for its life functions.  For example, viruses & central banksters are common parasites.   The parasite has to be in its host to live, grow, and multiply.   Parasites rarely kill their hosts. A common, well-known type of a parasite is the Goldman Sachs Affiliate or former employee/consultant or Treasury Secretary.  It can attach itself in the lining of the common sense of the politician and cause diseases such as insider trading, Swiss Bank Account and malnutrition as well, as they eat the nutrients and keep them from going to the host.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 22:08 | 1909111 TruthInSunshine
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The most successful parasites bleed their victims to the point of feebleness, weakness and mental opaqueness, but do not kill their hosts, as they benefit from cultivating as long of a parasite-host (also referred to as master-slave) relationship as possible, lest they risk an interim period of no immediate food source while searching for a new host upon which to attach their squid-like sucking mechanism to, and if such a substitute host is not found in time, the parasite that kills its former host risks death itself.


Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:01 | 1909280 Problem Is
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"It's time for a global purge after the 250+ year fractional reserve banking"

An Outright Ban on Fractional Reserve Counterfeiting

Your post is like a ray of sunshine reflecting off of The Bernank's bald noggin...

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:22 | 1909323 covert
Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:24 | 1908648 Mike2756
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Default already!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:08 | 1909035 disabledvet
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not before they're ordered into bankruptcy first! (in other news...a civilization of plankton like creatures were discovered on Mars. Not only do they have oil...THEY ARE OIL! All of Planet Earth is in a mad rush to launch tens of thousands of spacecraft loaded with bankers to "get the green to the green." the world waits with bated breath! back to you at HQ!)

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:27 | 1908658 JPM Hater001
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This just in...
JPM Hater001 demands debt relief deal equal to Greek Haircut. Wife says fuck off... Keeps spending.
They have sooooo much in common.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:29 | 1908664 Rainman
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Better hire more barbers to cover all the lined-up haircut customers . This might be the new fad.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:36 | 1908697 SHEEPFUKKER

Going long clippers, short Rogaine. 

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 16:36 | 1911416 Mesquite
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It's either Guillotines or KY ..

(And just think of all those hungry sharks out there..The 'solution' could serve two purposes..

Even considered a 'Green' project..) 

And with all the 'War Drums' being beaten:

War is an economis event.. But not a good option.. As long as tptb can get all the

folks fighting each other, tptb can make lots more $$ and no one faces the Guillotines..

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:30 | 1908665 BlueStreet
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Moral hazard on a global scale, ah, the screwed up times we live in.  



Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:32 | 1908677 Misean
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What that Irish guy said.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 00:03 | 1909416 azusgm
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Here's another Irish guy. He's a commodities (floor) trader. This is his assessment from two months ago.

The OWS crowd needs this.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:34 | 1908689 Let them eat iPads
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That's a happy looking squid right there.

And hungry too.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:30 | 1908845 Zodiac
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There will definitely have to be a squid pro quo.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:35 | 1908691 SHEEPFUKKER

How about discounts on Guiness then.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:10 | 1909039 disabledvet
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no, you gotta pay for that. here's some Cod juice though!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:35 | 1908693 DramaticExit
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"We have indicated to Europe's authorities that it will be difficult to get the Irish public to pass a referendum on treaty change," he said.

It's a referendum. You don't 'get' them to do anything.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:26 | 1908836 Ferretous
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+1 well said

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:52 | 1908888 agent default
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You haven't been following this EU thing for long right?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:45 | 1909126 Lord Welligton
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They're only short now of appointing a Viceroy.

Democracy be damned.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:36 | 1908698 terryfuckwit
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Ireland hippy nation

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 03:39 | 1909940 terryfuckwit
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ireland hippy as in dont get haircuts... doh

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:37 | 1908702 Silvarouvres
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Never forget how DSK was neutralized when the IMF under his command had to be forcefully corrected by the squid via sock puppet Geithner

"Ireland’s Last Stand began less shambolically than you might expect. The IMF, which believes that lenders should pay for their stupidity before it has to reach into its pocket, presented the Irish with a plan to haircut €30 billion of unguaranteed bonds by two-thirds on average. Lenihan was overjoyed, according to a source who was there, telling the IMF team: “You are Ireland’s salvation.”

The deal was torpedoed from an unexpected direction. At a conference call with the G7 finance ministers, the haircut was vetoed by US treasury secretary Timothy Geithner who, as his payment of $13 billion from government-owned AIG to Goldman Sachs showed, believes that bankers take priority over taxpayers. The only one to speak up for the Irish was UK
chancellor George Osborne, but Geithner, as always, got his way. An instructive, if painful, lesson in the extent of US soft power, and in who our friends really are."

A few weeks later the Sofitel incident took place. Not suggesting DSK is innocent on that. I guess it was quite useful to have a man with such behavioral issues on a position like that, just in case he leaned the wrong way. Which he did

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:51 | 1908883 slewie the pi-rat
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paul harvey?

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 23:03 | 1909286 Problem Is
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Peter Paul... Mounds or Almond Joy??

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:46 | 1908725 schismjism
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tiochadh ar la!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 19:49 | 1908876 kaiserhoff
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Que pasa?  Sorry, I don't speak Klingon.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:25 | 1908938 M.B. Drapier
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"Sieg Heil!" is a good non-literal translation.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:48 | 1908729 chump666
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The Irish should be very concerned when the  ECB do their print job, as the EUR gets killed, oil is hedged and Ireland is is pretty much the whole EZ now. The German bond auction flop!!! F*ck!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:50 | 1908733 midgetrannyporn
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Erin sez go fuck yerself


It's the end of the euro and I feel fein.

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:48 | 1908740 Freddie
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I will believe the fookin Irish when they lynch their mick Goldman stooge traitors and those f**king tax cheats in U2 - Bono, The Edge, Adam and the other one Opie or Seamus or gaytard..  

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 18:57 | 1908751 Major Priapus
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Just who the hell do those damn Irish think they are?!  Iceland?!

Wed, 11/23/2011 - 21:14 | 1909054 disabledvet
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I did actually recommend about a year ago(on a temporary basis of course) that Ireland could actually change its name to "Iceland." That way whenever "the phone rang" they could simply say "no, this is Iceland" and "we're sorry you dialed the wrong number again."

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