Presenting The Latest Eurodebt Exposure Masking Scam Courtesy Of Morgan Stanley: Level 1 To Level 2 Transfers

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For the latest gimmick to mask PIIGS sovereign debt exposure (where we already know that the traditional fallback of "gross being irrelevant and only net being important" crashed and burned today after Jefferies offloaded precisely half of its gross exposure, while raising net, thereby confirming that gross exposure is indeed a risk), we turn yet again to Morgan Stanley. As a reminder, despite our note that the company's gross exposure (which is now a major risk factor, thank you Rich Handler for proving our "bilateral netting is flawed" thesis) to French banks alone is $39 billion, Morgan Stanley downplayed this by saying that only $2.1 billion is the actual net funded exposure to Peripherals Eurozone countries. We'll see if Jack Gorman will have to revisit his defense after today's Jefferies action. Well as it turns out, we now have gimmick number two, one which will surely delight the bearish investors out there looking to find a bank doing all it can to mask not only its gross but net exposure (and wondering why it has to resort to such shenanigans). Presenting the Level 1 to Level 2 switcheroo, courtesy of, who else, Morgan Stanley.

From the just released 10-Q:

"Financial instruments owned—Other sovereign government obligations.    During the quarter ended September 30, 2011, the Company reclassified approximately $1.8 billion of other sovereign government obligations assets and approximately $2.1 billion of other sovereign government obligations liabilities from Level 1 to Level 2. These reclassifications primarily related to European peripheral government bonds as transactions in these securities did not occur with sufficient frequency and volume to constitute an active."

Uhm, are you serious? Transactions in all PIIGS securities were sufficiently active in both frequency and volume. We are delighted to present Morgan Stanley with a CUSIP list of all PIIGS bonds together with price and volume data if they so desire to confirm to them that their excuse is about to get tested substantially by the market as one not of prudent accounting (we jest: Level 2 assets are merely a legal way to get par marks for a security that is realistically trading at 35 cents on the dollar in the case of Greece and 87 in the case of Italy), but one of yet another attempt at blatant obfuscation.

And to confirm that this reasoning behind this reclassification in a quarter in which there was massive volatility in all PIIGS securities, is pure lunacy, we ask: did Morgan Stanley reclassify any PIIGS bonds from Level 1 to Level 2 in Q1 or Q2, when vol was indeed less and when one could make the argument that there is a basis for a Level 1 to Level 2 transition?

Here is the language for the 9 months ended, not just Q3:

Financial instruments owned—Other sovereign government obligations.    During the nine months ended September 30, 2011, the Company reclassified approximately $1.8 billion of other sovereign government obligations assets and approximately $2.1 billion of other sovereign government obligations liabilities from Level 1 to Level 2. These reclassifications primarily related to European peripheral government bonds as transactions in these securities did not occur with sufficient frequency and volume to constitute an active market.

So... the only time Morgan Stanley did the Level 1 to Level 2 shift was in Q3, when everything was trading, was volatile trades occurred in both "frequency" and "volume" yet when Morgan Stanley's back office couldn't find enough marks to justify keeping PIIGS bonds at Level 1? And let's not forget the fact that the Level 1 to Level 2 amount was $2.1 billion or... precisely the amount of the firm's self-professed net funded exposure!

SERIOUSLY, MORGAN STANLEY!?

Just like the DVA fudge, should we now expect every single bank to report a transfer in PIIGS exposure from Level 1 to Level 2 (only for Q3 mind you)? And if so, just how ugly is it about to get for US bank stocks with PIIGS exposure.

As for Morgan Stanley, please keep coming up with more and creative ways to mask the fact that your publicly disclosed net exposure to Europe is totally fabricated and meaningless. The market is just going to love picking off your Sovereign flow book at 1.5% gross losses (just like with Jefferies) as you scramble to offload your gross exposure next to prove, yet again, just how unexposed to Europe you "truly" are.

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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:35 | 1854937 Long-John-Silver
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MF Global is only the first domino to fall.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:45 | 1854963 Rainman
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...and the Squid alumni are playing both cops and robbers. We r fucked

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-07/cftc-s-gensler-confirms-recusal-from-investigation-of-mf-global.html

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:47 | 1854972 redpill
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Maybe this is why they can never really investigate Goldman.  By the time everyone with a conflict of interest recuses themselves, there's no one left to conduct the investigation!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:05 | 1855017 Leopold B. Scotch
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It's a craptastical wonderland we all live in.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:18 | 1855035 i root for that...
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the game being played right now is called "bull riding contest": wanna make some $$? ride the bull at your own risk but it sure will make you some money.

I don't know how many times I said this - it doesn't matter people are disgusted by the "bailouts" or "money priniting", never underestimate the central banks and the power of corrupt politicans. The market will not crash now - maybe next year. But given the EU is determined to win the "battle" despite losing the "war", money will be available for whoever needs it. No matter how weak or riduculous the concept of the new EU bailout package, it will work for a couple of months. Plus year-end retail frenzy is almost here, santa rally is getting started.

For people who buy SH and forget about their account for a year, I would say it is not a bad approach. But for people like me who trade "actively", riding the fake bull might not be a bad idea to get your new iphone5 or a new "sun room".

 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:44 | 1855086 traderjoe
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Whatever. You can play with the Ponzi masters.

Or, I'd also say that gold did quite nicely today thank you very much.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:30 | 1855262 Careless Whisper
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It was announced today that Robert DeNiro is playing ponzi master Bernie Madoff in a new movie. I'm thinking that the next movie, when everything is unravelled, will be about MF Global. Who will be cast to play Jon Corzine? My pick is Larry David.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Mn0eWgumg

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 04:04 | 1855709 Smithovsky
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Tyler(s), let this story sit at the top for a bit - you (ZH) single-handedly have the power to reduce these banks' exposure, as evidenced by Jefferies.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:49 | 1858125 Rick64
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Is it my imagination or did half a dozen comments just disappear?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:00 | 1855299 Michael
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I like to think of it more as rat scat. Follow the droppings.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:11 | 1855026 iDealMeat
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Definitely some interesting characters on the BoD.

 

Donald T. Nicolaisen
Mr. Nicolaisen served as Chief Accountant for the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission from September 2003 to November 2005. Prior to joining the SEC, he was a senior partner at the accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers. Mr. Nicolaisen began his career at the firm's predecessor, Price Waterhouse, in 1967, and held a wide range of management and leadership positions, including serving on the firm's U.S. and global boards and leading Price Waterhouse's national office for accounting and SEC services. Mr. Nicolaisen currently serves on the Board of Directors of MGIC Investment Corporation, Verizon Communications Inc. and Zurich Financial Services.

 

Hutham S. Olayan
Ms. Olayan has been a director since 2006. Ms. Olayan is a senior executive and director of a private multinational enterprise, The Olayan Group, a major investor worldwide as well as a leading diversified business in Saudi Arabia and also serves as president and chief executive officer of Olayan America Corporation, a Group affiliate based in New York. Ms. Olayan holds a bachelor’s degree from the American University of Beirut and an MBA from Indiana University. Ms. Olayan’s outside affiliations include serving as a director at the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics (since 2004), trustee of the American University of Beirut (since 1993) and overseer of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center (since 2008). She is a member of various advisory councils of non-profit organizations, including The Brookings Institution, Carnegie Middle East Center, US-Middle East Project and The Conference Board. Ms. Olayan is also a founding member of the Arab Bankers Association of North America. She served as trustee of the Conference Board (2002-2008) and as a director of Thermo Electron Corporation (1987-2002).

 

James W. Owens
Mr. Owens has been a director since 2011. From 2004 to 2010, he was the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Caterpillar Inc., a manufacturer of construction and mining equipment, diesel and natural gas engines and industrial gas turbines. Mr. Owens served as Vice Chairman of Caterpillar Inc. from December 2003 to February 2004 and as Group President from 1995 to 2003, responsible at various times for 13 of the company’s 25 divisions. Mr. Owens joined Caterpillar Inc. in 1972 and served in numerous management positions until 1993, when he was elected Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Owens is also a director of Alcoa, Inc. and International Business Machines Corporation. He is a board member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Chair of the Executive Committee of the Peterson Institute for International Economics. Mr. Owens is member of The Business Council and a trustee of North Carolina State University. Mr. Owens also serves on the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board. He graduated from North Carolina State University in 1973 with a Ph.D. in economics.
Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:29 | 1855334 earleflorida
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@ iDealMeat

good diggs

thanks

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:44 | 1855087 knukles
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Except thems beholden the Squid that don't recuse themselves.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:38 | 1855191 max2205
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One morning the WSJ headline will be: ALL BANKS AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ARE FILLING CHAPTER 11/7.

How long is the road that the can is being kicked down?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:18 | 1855526 paarsons
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They'll just print a shitload of money like we did in the States.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Fuck it.

http://fucklloydblankfein.blogspot.com

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:11 | 1855141 Grinder74
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Actually, there's always the midgets they keep on staff, that is when they're between filming gigs.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:11 | 1855025 Al Gorerhythm
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If they didn't get preferential treatment, then MFG hid their actions from the CFTC or the CFTC is incompetent or are politically/financially captured. Somebody's gonna get an ass whupin, if the press pursues this.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:53 | 1855294 WonderDawg
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If the press pursues this? Are you kidding? The press has passed on hundreds of opportunities to pursue corruption and incompetence in the financial industry, government, regulatory agencies, you name it. Every once in a while they'll pop a senator or a congressman, or a bishop for the catholic church, but by and large they ignore all the truly juicy shit, as they are told to do so.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 03:59 | 1855741 Al Gorerhythm
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Yeah, I know, I should have emphasized. Its a big IF. Your frustration is EMINENTLY warranted. We are (mostly) all in the same room here.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 07:22 | 1855839 Comay Mierda
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The modern press is sites like ZH. corporate media is slowly losing its foothold. I can't wait for the day CNBC files for bankruptcy and cramer has to find work as a janitor cuz no one will hire his lying ass. Also can't wait to see bank bankruptcy filings to see how much they owe CNBC in spin fees.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:08 | 1855514 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Dude, Bart Chilton admits the CFTC is a piece of shit.  Bart Chilton!

CFTC Commissioner, Bart Chilton:

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2011/11/5_Bart_Chilton.html

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 04:04 | 1855742 Al Gorerhythm
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Bart is their pin-up boy, the relaxed surfy dude. I don't get that guy at all. Must be the overspray from the other shit slingers that sticks to him (Just my opinion but I may be wrong. Politics I suppose).

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:47 | 1854971 spiral_eyes
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The first domino to fall?

For me, it could be Iran. That story overshadows everything coming out of the Euro-circus.

http://azizonomics.com/2011/11/07/israel-iran-war/

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:46 | 1855204 LongBallsShortBrains
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Hmmmm.

Could just the talk of war between Iran and Israel be the tipping point for the "market"?

Talk war

Market falls

Blame Iran.
Instead of blame it on the politicians and the banks and the fed.

After all, nobody could see that coming!!!!!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:02 | 1855009 Reggie Middleton
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Hmmm... Pretty good stuff. I think we should have a tag team bout with the big banks, Tyler. See ZeroHedge Is Good In Uncovering BS, But I Will Not Be Outdone In Busting BS Bank Reporting - I Simply Refuse, Right BNP?

A quick visual excerpt to go along with the Morgan Stanley quip above...

I must admit, that this type of investigative reporting takes
very sharp minds, very witty reporting and a thirst for finding the
truth. It probably can only be accomplished by tall handsome brothers with that sharp sense of humor... Know what I mean??? From the Bank Run Liquidity Candidate Forensic Opinion (A full forensic note for professional and institutional subscribers) released in August:

Click to enlarge...

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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:08 | 1855022 peekcrackers
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right on reg..  The squid Hunter in the house.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:16 | 1855523 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I think we should have a tag team bout with the big banks, Tyler.

Reggie, we do.

And yes, fights will go on as long as they have to.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:29 | 1855172 smlbizman
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this article kicks ass......god damn i love football....

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:35 | 1854938 CPL
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Like watching a game of hot potatoe with nuclear material.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:43 | 1854955 Ethics Gradient
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A Dan Quayle fan, hey?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:54 | 1854995 Yamaha
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+10! Dan Quayle - don't you just long for the days when you could at least identify the idiot in the room? Now it a race for an IQ under 40..... Remind them to breath.......

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:57 | 1855004 CPL
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I am currently manually breathing and aware of the air drafting across my eyelids.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:15 | 1855032 Ethics Gradient
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Sorry. It was a potato joke. It'll be in wikithingopedia, I'm sure.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:59 | 1855302 Yamaha
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Yes it was. Still remember big Dan correcting the student -

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:19 | 1855529 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Big Dan's family is one of the oldest political families in America, along with the Pierce/Buhes, Rodhams, Edwards', McCains, Gores, etc.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 03:39 | 1855721 jeff montanye
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what is it about schools and stupid politicians? i am reminded of w. bush's 9-11 morning reading.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:13 | 1855029 Taint Boil
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Google rocks man - you can find anything.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:49 | 1855208 LongBallsShortBrains
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Priceless!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:28 | 1855171 Grinder74
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Duh! That's how it's spelled in "Austrian".  Jeez.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:51 | 1854981 data_monkey
Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:56 | 1855001 CPL
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Ha!  My extra e remains for trolls everywhere to find.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:01 | 1855116 Hephasteus
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Spelling is just convention. Because theres 2 conventions for tomatoe there's 2 conventions for potato. But oddly they are not equal in their stuggle for dominance despite phonemes.

Colour me surprised.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:10 | 1855139 SwingForce
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There's an extra g in egg, too.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:22 | 1855530 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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While we are on the subject, why did English stop using the "E"?  Instead we use a "Y", a totally benign letter.  Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 05:15 | 1855774 Ethics Gradient
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Well, not being the kind of guy that follows the herd, from now on I'm gonna sdfs fa opigdjf peiornb iodrg oigrjrkjg goijrekgjn.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:53 | 1855216 LongBallsShortBrains
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Give it to yamaha.

He can put it on the end of

Breath

And make

Breathe

And make
Sense.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:53 | 1854993 Ponzi Unit
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You say tomatoe, I say tomato, let's call the whole thing off...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:02 | 1855010 love
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i've been taking a little bit of nuclear material from work and saving it up,

i'm going to put it up for sale on ebay.

the money should come in handy now i've got two mouths to feed. 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:36 | 1854940 SheepDog-One
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Swindle and scam...and someones got to pay the tab soon.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:39 | 1854948 Vlad Tepid
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But total fabricated bullshit is what makes Morgan Stanley Morgan Stanley!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:41 | 1854952 BORT
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Early June, 2008

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:42 | 1854953 DoChenRollingBearing
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Are there any regulations in place that say that the banks have to show what bonds (etc.) they own?  If there is/were such transparency, than MS monkeying around Level 1 -> Level 2 would not matter if we could all see the toxic assets they might own...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:43 | 1854957 NotApplicable
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So, rats fleeing a sinking ship is no longer considered "activity?"

These people are damn lucky that words have no meaning, otherwise, they'd be fucked.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:44 | 1854960 Ned Zeppelin
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These are not the Level I assets you are looking for.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:46 | 1854967 gmrpeabody
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+1

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:04 | 1855014 Leopold B. Scotch
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Lovely!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:24 | 1855539 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Comment of the day.

Ned wins a, "Timmah did my taxes, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!"

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 01:41 | 1855641 Big Slick
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"These are not the Level I assets you are looking for."

Morgan Stanley can go about its business.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:44 | 1854961 Lmo Mutton
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It's all fun and games till somebody needs a bailout.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:45 | 1854965 jmcadg
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Like being caught at school with water bombs. It doesn't take much effort in hiding them in your pockets to make it look like you pissed yourself.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:46 | 1854968 jcaz
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LOL- that's just classic......   Can't wait to see BAC come up with "Level 37".....

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:49 | 1854974 chump666
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Excellent post.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:37 | 1855077 Hansel
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Yes.  Very well done Tyler.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:34 | 1855179 kaiserhoff
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Fine post and series of posts on a complex subject.  A little light does make the cockroaches scurry.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:51 | 1854984 Ponzi Unit
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3-card Monte played on polished mahogany instead of cardboard boxes.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:52 | 1854990 adyaner
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Not panic at all, this is petty cash for uncle Ben who will purchase the exposure at 150% par value, to give some buffer to a friendly FED Shareholder...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:53 | 1854991 Smartie37
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Looks like White Shoe stepped in Dog Dooooooooooo.......................    

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:01 | 1855006 ReallySparky
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Tyler, I sense some frustration in your prose.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:03 | 1855013 apberusdisvet
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When you get to Level 5; does everything miraculously disappear?

Hey boss; we're on Level 4; only one more to go before your 9 zero bonus kicks in.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:31 | 1855063 Unprepared
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"Hey! Show us your Level III exposure"

"There has never been a Level III in this firm."

"But where have you been hiding all that toxic stuff?"

"We recycle them"

"But how can you recycle toxic waste? You can only burry it."

"This firm never had a Level III"

"OK. What about Ground Zero then?"

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:51 | 1855097 knukles
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Same as: "Defcon Oh fuck me...."

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:31 | 1855173 Grinder74
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After level 5..."They just went plaid!"

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:06 | 1855015 mynhair
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Geez, it's only $39 billion.  My human burns that in a week.

Do wish he had hair....

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:38 | 1855190 kaiserhoff
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That muskrat toupee looks quite fetching on Donald Trump.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:15 | 1855030 Better_late_tha...
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Did anyone see Cramer dodge the question about silver on Mad Money? Someone asked what would happen if the cftc "gets their act together" with the position limits. He called chicago the "wild west." ha ha

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:34 | 1855180 Grinder74
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Whorehouse on every corner? Check.

Community Bathhouse (Lake Michigan)? Check.

Rich guy from out East comes to rule the poor settlers? Check.

Every cowpoke has a gun? Oh, wait this is Chicago we're talking about.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:25 | 1855050 Sequitur
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Level 2 and level 3 asset classifications: banker bullshit.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:29 | 1855057 DollarDive
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Level 1, Level 2, Level 3 - Complete and utter bullshit fabrication.

Rules created to conceal.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant

Let the sunshine in.

 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:25 | 1855243 delacroix
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is the tide going out?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:23 | 1855327 topcallingtroll
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Looks like it.

Make sure u have a camera to photo all the skinnydippers.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:31 | 1855062 chump666
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C'mon Berlusconi send a F*ck you to everything that is not Italian...you can do it.  

Europe is decending into chaos....

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:33 | 1855070 DollarDive
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Our bond markets have become a "SHAM". ;  

All the corporate bonds held in mutual funds and ETF's across America are completely overvalued.  Most bonds are priced off of a pricing grid.  The MF's pay 3rd party "price fixers" to tell them the price of their bonds.  Those prices have no bearing on reality.

Yet the funds use those prices from the "fixers" to determine the NAV of the MF's.

Wait until that market starts to cave.

It will implode on itself instantly when that selling starts to happen.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:07 | 1855230 sgt_doom
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No offense intended, DollarDive, but it's been over 3 years since they discontinued mark-to-market.

Old news, guy......

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:27 | 1855331 topcallingtroll
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Thats not what he is talking about.

The appraisers have their "blue book" of bond values to rip off retail and help bond mutual funds look better.

Just like the real bluebook, the true value of some of these thinly traded bonds is a lot less than the published price.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:35 | 1855072 DavidC
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Tyler,
Priceless! And brilliant.

Thank you.

DavidC

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:38 | 1855079 slewie the pi-rat
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can we get a DEFCON reading on this?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:52 | 1855100 knukles
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Defcon: Oh, fuck me...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:38 | 1855080 comfortablynumb
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To clarify....Level 2 gives them the ability not to use the last quoted price as you would with a Level 1.  They've basically had a (convenient) change in fair value accounting policy, I would love to see where they are marked at and what quotes/internal models they are using to value these bad boys.    

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 23:10 | 1855405 Iam_Silverman
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"They've basically had a (convenient) change in fair value accounting policy, I would love to see where they are marked at and what quotes/internal models they are using to value these bad boys.    "

This has to be the most concise and correct interpretation yet.

Thanks for clearing up the difference between Level I and Level II.  Although they are allowed to "Mark to Model", exactly how they model the predicted outcome is the most important theme here.  To model the end result, they need to be able to cherry pick the best return scenario based on a range in time, so changing the level makes sense.

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