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Fannie CEO Michael Williams To Quit After 2 Years, Pockets Millions After Receiving $60 Billion In Bail Out Cash

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A few months ago we learned that outgoing Freddie CEO Ed Haldeman quit Freddie after just two years of work, pocketing over $4 million primarily to collect over $21 billion in bailout funds from the US government. Now, it is the turn of the other broke GSE: according to a just filed 8K, Fannie Mae CEO Michael Williams is also stepping down without a replacement, so obviously the decision was made in haste and is an indication that nobody at the helm of the two largest mortgageholders want to do anything with what Obama and the Chairsatan have in store for the two behemoths holdings over $6 trillion in mortgages in their books. Incidentally, according to Forbes, Williams made $4.84 million in comp last year. His claim to fame: receiving a total of $60 billion in Treasury bailout cash (net of $17.2 billion in dividend payments) - hard job that one.

From Fannie:

From the 8-K

On January 6, 2012, Michael J. Williams, President and Chief Executive Officer of Fannie Mae (formally, the Federal National Mortgage Association), notified the company that he will step down from his position and the company’s Board of Directors when a new President and Chief Executive Officer is appointed.

 

Mr. Williams has been President and Chief Executive Officer of Fannie Mae since April 2009. He previously served as Fannie Mae’s Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer from November 2005 to April 2009. Mr. Williams also served as Fannie Mae’s Executive Vice President for Regulatory Agreements and Restatement from February 2005 to November 2005, as President—Fannie Mae eBusiness from July 2000 to February 2005 and as Senior Vice President—e?commerce from July 1999 to July 2000. Prior to this, Mr. Williams served in various roles in the Single?Family and Corporate Information Systems divisions of Fannie Mae. Mr. Williams joined Fannie Mae in 1991. Mr. Williams has been a Fannie Mae director since April 2009.

And some more on outgoing Mr. Williams compensation, including his thoughts on whether he deserves to be paid more than Obama (no debate there).

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were seized by the Bush administration in late 2008 amid mounting losses from mortgages gone sour and are controlled by a government conservator, the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA).

 

Edward DeMarco, the acting director of FHFA, in 2009 approved compensation packages allowing the top executives at each firm to receive as much as $6 million each in annual compensation.

 

"What is going on over at Freddie and Fannie and what is the conservator doing to make sure the taxpayers are represented?" Neugebauer asked.

 

The Texas Republican said business as usual is not acceptable for the so-called government sponsored enterprises because "their business got taxpayers on the hook for a lot of money."

 

The pair have received more than $130 billion in direct taxpayer aid since being taken over by then Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. The Obama administration on Monday said that tally could climb to $169 billion next year before slowing shrinking as losses are paid back to Treasury coffers.

 

"So what we want to make sure is that they understand, and hopefully we will fire a shot here, of whose interests that they need to be most concerned about. It's not the employees or the executives over at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, it's the American taxpayers," Neugebauer said.

 

Asked after the hearing why he deserved to paid more than U.S. President Barack Obama, who earns about $400,000 annually, Williams told Reuters his salary is determined by the government.

 

"My compensation is determined by the board of directors of FHFA and they determine what the appropriate compensation is for the executives of the company," Williams said.

 

Lawmakers debated with Williams and DeMarco over whether it was "reasonable" for taxpayers to foot more than $24 million in legal bills for former chief executive Franklin Raines and two other former Fannie executives accused of accounting misdeeds.

 

Asked by Reuters if his own compensation was "reasonable," Williams replied: "I leave it to them (FHFA) to determine what is appropriate compensation."

 

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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:14 | 2051941 Ahmeexnal
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HOPE AND CHANGE!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:26 | 2051979 Kick_the_Kan
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More looting before the eventual fall of the empire....

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:47 | 2052046 MillionDollarBonus_
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Fannie Mae is doing critical work by boosting aggregate demand which fuels the real estate market and improves the economy for all Americans. Maybe if the Zerohedge community were more economically literate, there would be more praise for this essential service rather than envious whining about the CEO’s compensation (which is comparable to that of any other CEO).

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:54 | 2052067 Evil Bugeyes
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Sorry MDB, but I think you missed a perfect trolling opportunity here!

You should have argued that Fannie/Freddie CEO's are underpaid and commended their self-sacrifice.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:12 | 2052350 James-Morrison
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We've had real change under Obama.

We changed from the toilet to the dumpster.

After four more years of Obama/Romney, we hope to change from the dumpster to the recycle bin.

Progress indeed.

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:11 | 2052559 Jammo
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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:13 | 2052113 Sudden Debt
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I'm reading this book "from good to great" from jim collins right now. One of the companies described is fannie... That company is so dishonest to itself, always been and has done just enough to give enough reasons to send the entire board on the electric chair.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:04 | 2052311 kito
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@mdb---thankfully for my sanity, i dont really believe you believe what you say you believe...................

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:08 | 2053925 StychoKiller
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"I leave it to them (FHFA) to determine what is appropriate compensation."

In other wordz:  "I didn't point the gun, I just stood there while the real crooks stuffed my pockets with FRNs!"

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:18 | 2052371 STP
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Fueling what real estate market?  The one that is flopping on the floor right now?  Maybe we should just pump some more of that Subprime juice back into it?  I'm sure that there must be some eager buyers of MBS's that are rated AAA by trusting credit agencies?  Right?

Then we could start doing Second's and even Third mortgages again and fuel the cheap goods we buy from China!

Nah, no need for Manufacturing anymore.  Who needs to make products anymore?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 01:15 | 2053490 prains
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MDB _Tyler has yet to step in and smack you on the pp so you are obviously his plaything

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:48 | 2052699 rawsienna
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The losses at the GSE's were the result of terrible business decisions during the 2003-7 bubble in housing (which was a result of the idiocy of Greenspan policy along with congressional mandates that started with Bill Clinton).  Michael Williams took a job at a company with no future.  The losses were not his fault. Very tough to say what is or is not the correct pay for that job.  

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 00:15 | 2053309 sun tzu
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The GSE's are basically goverment bureaucracies now. Since when does a bureaucrat make $4M per year?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:43 | 2052038 Chupacabra-322
Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:16 | 2052119 Don Birnam
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CNBC ran a quick piece by Diana Ole-lick -- replete with wailing and gnashing of teeth for the poor fellow...it was such a difficult job ! No one appreciates how hard this "public servant" toiled to right the listing Fannie ship.

Ole-lick and the crony capitalist apologists paraded on CNBC -- is there a more effective emetic ?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:17 | 2051953 lightning_fast_draw
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I would have been happy to do the job for $2million.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:45 | 2052042 MachoMan
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I'd do it for free...  they might get what they pay for, but I couldn't do a worse job than my predecessors.  I probably have all the credentials to do it... 

Of course, the day following my induction there would be a lawsuit filed against every shitbird financial institution from BFE to NYC...  seeking to putback every damn piece of toxic garbage ever put into that pig.

Alternatively, there would be millions of unhappy homeowners getting notices of foreclosure...  and a whole bunch of shit getting marked to market.  We "might" have a bad quarter.  I would then have to respectfully decline any advance or "line of credit" with any financial institution...  and proceed to liquidation, with the hope of individual parcels being sold to individual investors and not "blocks" as planned, given the wealth gap.  The remainder of staff will be dedicated to providing information to all parties that request it regarding former employees' communications with the administration, congressmen, and the general financial community.

Resume available on request.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:05 | 2052093 chunga
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Macho - what say you about this Jan. 5, 2012 Fed. Court Order? It's only a few pages long.

The Playing Field Has Been Leveled

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:09 | 2052335 MachoMan
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Doesn't appear to be much to me...  I'd take a "wait and see" approach...  the situation is so fucked that I fail to see, practically speaking, anyone making any proper resolution...  because it necessarily means tracking down the entire chain of assignment for EVERY mortgage before the court...  as well as ALL the documents associated therewith...  it's simply a logistical nightmare [but I'd sure as fuck do it for $300/hr...  nice if you can get it]

The problem with the whole "prove you already haven't been made whole" meme is that you're trying to prove a negative...  I don't know enough about the situation to know where to find the docs, but it seems inherently like a losing proposition when the other side has all the evidence...  it seems like it would require looking at all the financial institution's source documents/ledgers...  presuming you even get the "real" set of books (dealing with this issue in a present case, albeit without "derivatives"...  just good ol' cash).  Just out of experience, it would seem these types of cases would only work with a whistleblower/inside man giving information/documentation.  I doubt we would have even taken our case if we didnt have a few...  but in these mortgage cases?  Good luck with that shit.  If you'll lie to the court about standing, you'll lie to the court about anything.

If courts/legislatures were really serious about getting down to business, they'd throw their damn hands in the air and say for every mortgagee that attempts to foreclose and can't prove its standing from inception of the original mortgage, then it has to file a quiet title action (or, alternatively, a declaratory action) to determine the real holder...  publication costs, etc. are on the moving party...  then, the court publishes a warning order for all interested parties and if they don't appear, then their interests are toast.  [this should probably happen for all MERS mortgages anyway as part of a global attempt at resolution].  Once the holder is determined, the holder moves on to foreclosure...

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:36 | 2052422 chunga
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The way I read it is that the big card removed from the deck is the Motion for Protective Order.

If the "Special Master" allows Protective Orders to stand then it IS another parlor trick and timely objections will be filed by plaintiffs' counsel.

Otherwise Corp Rep Depos will be flying fast and furious. From what I understand - settlement offers are coming in by the dozens.

The LAST thing they want is a Trial by Jury. Banker men love leverage...but HATE being leveraged...lol.

This Assignment of Mortgage is a great example of Leverage.

It's criminal and I think it will be on an FBI desk tomorrow.

If so, I'll be providing details as soon as I get them. Thanks for looking.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:02 | 2054318 MachoMan
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The elimination of the usual protective order (knee jerk reaction by judge often times or, alternatively, willingly agreed to by the opposing side just to get the documents) would be a game changer...  once there is a high profile case without a protective order, then everyone and their brother will have all the discovered documents and pleadings in a short time...  essentially it's groundhog day for them as each and every shitbird BFE town lawyer uses the same defenses...  [but each case is likely dissimilar enough to not be classified as a "class", despite commonality of facts]

I'm not sure about the criminality...  but I'd say it definitely doesn't pass civil muster in a myriad of ways.

However, again, practically speaking, I can't see how one would assert the other side has no standing to bring suit AND then settle with that party...  either the other party has some chip in the game or they don't...  and one party can't speak for another unless having the legal authority to do so (wouldn't count on those documents actually existing either).  Until the other party is definitively decided to be the holder, then any promise they make is contingent at best...

But, once the holder is determined, the homeowner has no more leverage...  it's game over.  [and on to the next bank to do it again with].  Of course, practically speaking, the homeowner has to presume the person/entity making the most ruckus is the likely holder...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:17 | 2051954 alphabrew
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I think John Corzine is available to fill the spot.  Rehypothecation, bitchez!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:21 | 2051966 lizzy36
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Fuck that.

I am forwarding them my resume. I can beg Treasury for funds while invoking MAD as well as the next kleptocrat. And i am a Canadian chick. Score 2 for diversity ;).

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:17 | 2051955 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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I can't take any more, it's just embarrassing!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:19 | 2051959 Theta_Burn
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Seems to be alot of these dildoes leaving in haste

Cream of the crop at the helm, what is everyone worried about?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:20 | 2051960 Irish66
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How mant CEO's resigned in the last week?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:23 | 2051972 Dr. Engali
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Sure looks like they are signaling to get out of Dodge.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:27 | 2051981 Irish66
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Doc, I'm sane but we got some patterns developing.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:28 | 2051989 Bumblebee Tuna
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Cut and run!

Maybe if they all resign now, everyone will forget who they were by the time all their corruption and book-cooking comes to light.  

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:34 | 2052005 Irish66
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Urban Outfitters quit tonight

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:40 | 2052021 CvlDobd
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I'm seeing urban outfitters, webmd, Pugh, citizens propert ins, and brooks tone recently.

There was a huge wave of CEO departures in early 2010 too.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:40 | 2052030 Xanadu_doo
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golden parachutes, bitchez.

before the whole friggin plane crashes...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:21 | 2051967 NotApplicable
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I shudder to think where we'd be without these valuable men at the helm. Well, other than recovering, that is.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:15 | 2053937 StychoKiller
Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:23 | 2051971 Conrad Murray
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I wonder if the Occucommies or the Teaocrats will arrange a protest at this scumbag's house?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:27 | 2051984 Snakeeyes
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Look. Fannie, Freddie and FHFA are under extreme pressure to do something stupid -- mass loan modifications that will lose billions (meaning taxpayers will lose billions). Look at these charts on housing and follow the gov'ts pushing of homeownership, mostly through Fannie and Freddie. Then look where we ended up.

 

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/ezra-kleins-on-mortgage-modifications-and-the-perils-of-centrally-planned-housing-and-mortgage-markets/

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:27 | 2051985 Ineverslice
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Capitalism....Jump ship, as the rest of us take it in the Fannie.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:30 | 2051994 willien1derland
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I thought that in a capitalistic society that rewards should be consummate with results? His 'compensation' (that would infer he WORKED for that $$$) was determined by a Board of Directors from FHFA? -What a damn TRAVESTY?! Now that no one is at the helm of either of the two largest mortgageholders - SCAMMIE MAE & FREELOADER MAC will probably be sold to George Soros so he can foreclose on the entire US in one go...Williams will probably wind up at some other 'viable' mortgage conveyer like Citibankster...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:31 | 2051997 Oh regional Indian
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Well now that is one big fat fannie, mae.

West. Ward. hoe.

OTish, one of my favourite web-reads, via me, via LaRouch PAC publications and a couple of vids..

more@ows/

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:32 | 2051999 Rainman
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Just when you think these gubmint fuckerz can't get more brazen, they pay a quadmillon to some insider asshole to administrate Cat 1 failure. Damn they clever.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:36 | 2052010 chunga
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Ha Ha Ha!

Sorry for doubling up. The link below is running on another ZH thread. I love it!

Where you going dopey?

Freshman RI Senator levels serious allegations at Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac - Jan. 10, 2012

You're all a bunch of swindlers out to fatten yourselves up and DESTROY the country. Fuck you!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:36 | 2052011 pakled
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oFF tOPIC

 

Pop quiz for star trek fans: There is an ad that shows up routinely here often entitled "unthinkable poisewd to happen", with a sad faced man. What an expression on his face. He is an actor that did a guest shot on Star trek NG. Can you name the episode?

 

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 23:00 | 2052993 r00t61
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He looks like the character "Kevin Uxbridge" from the episode "The Survivors."

But that actor, John Anderson, died in 1992.  So who can really say...

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:18 | 2053941 StychoKiller
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"Mission accomplished, beam away team back to the ship..."

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:37 | 2052016 MrBinkeyWhat
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Whoa! Got a 404 the first time.

So...how does one get one of these "jobs". Wink1

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:40 | 2052028 Caviar Emptor
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Off topic but we have been talking about totalitarianism in USA: 

It's spreading to the school system. Freedom of expression? Lol. (Insert jackboot into mouth) Glad I missed all this crap: 

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools?cat=world...

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:42 | 2052035 Seasmoke
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we need to stop calling them leaders or elite and calling them scumabgs and criminals

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:43 | 2052039 lizzy36
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Mafia.

They are just legal mafia without the honor of the real thing.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:43 | 2052037 Xanadu_doo
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fuck these crooked theiving bastards.

FUCK THEM ALL!!!!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:05 | 2052091 non_anon
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only way to do that is stop supporting them with your tax dollars

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:48 | 2052050 Uber Vandal
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I believe that we are seeing multiple cases of "Gilligan's Syndrome" in every business and government in the world.

What is "Gilligan's Syndrome" you might ask?

It is where incompetence, stupidity, malfeasance, and negligence is rewarded, while people who know what is going on, or do the right things, are ostracized or worse.

For example, Gilligan can screw up anything, thwarting the rescue of the cast aways, and he gets rewarded with a pie, or sympathy.

The Professor builds a radio out of coconuts, and when Gilligan ruins it, the Professor is the one who gets blamed for its failure.

A real life example, CEO X can run a company into the ground, get rewarded with untold millions of dollars, while the employees who did the actual work are blamed for the failure.

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:09 | 2052104 quacker
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It's way worse than that. He had Ginger prancing around and never even copped a single squeeze on them titties.

A worse crime than anything Angelo Mozilo ever did.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:16 | 2052120 Calmyourself
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Seriously?   Ginger wtf?  Mary Ann all the way, I'd do Mrs. Howell before Ginger..

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:19 | 2053946 StychoKiller
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Guess you're into M.I.L.F.s, then.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:51 | 2052055 AUD
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the two behemoths holdings over $6 trillion in mortgages in their books

Plus the trillion or so on the books of the Fed, all guaranteed by the US government, which the Fed is providing a ready market for its bonds anyhow. Yet last I looked gold was still USD300 or so off of its high from 2011.

I'm starting to think the Treasury are alchemists. Either that or there is a large empty bag somewhere, maybe Iran.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:52 | 2052062 s2man
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deja vu all over again

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:04 | 2052089 non_anon
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remember Raines

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:01 | 2052083 Georgesblog
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Usually, this means a scandal brewing. Yhe taxpayers? We on't hear the taxpayers mentioned until just before a scandal breaks. They wouldn't do any funny business with all of that bailout money, would they?

http://georgesblogforum.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-daily-climb-2/

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:08 | 2052100 chump666
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I look forward to the OWS riots kick into gear in 2012.  Wow every reason on Earth for OWS to lose it in 2012...cause the people have been played and will contiue to get played. Obama needs a wake up call.  Which means.  HE IS THE WORST F*CKING PRESIDENT EVER!  You are spending the US into oblivion while feeding the banksters.  Your 5min credit meltup spending boom ends Jan 2012...you f*ck nut.

Inflation pain head...nice, oil boom goes to 110 company profits get sucked out and real interest sucks peoples credit to nothing.

 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:17 | 2052124 Caviar Emptor
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OWS v1.0 had its day. The noose got tightened and the 'authorities' shut it down. They would need bigger critical-mass to have successful demonstrations this time. Not sure they can succeed at this point 

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:26 | 2052150 chump666
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Maybe v2.0 will be bigger.  But they got frozen out.  They will be back. I respect them, I have heard them talk, damn they even know about markets from what I heard.  Talking about stocks/gold etc.  But Obama got his Jan meltup on credit expansion from last yr till Jan.  Won't last and reality will set in very quickly

This might sound corny, but people are power.  Once people realize they have been gamed.  They bite back hard,  history dictates. So if anything should add to the volatlity on the markets.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:18 | 2052128 navy62802
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At some point, this will all end. Corruption is like a terminal cancer upon our nation. While the cancer can grow and spread for a time, it eventually kills its victim and thereby kills itself.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:30 | 2052164 ghostfaceinvestah
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"His claim to fame: receiving a total of $60 billion in Treasury bailout cash (net of $17.2 billion in dividend payments) - hard job that one."

TD, the FAR bigger bailout of Fannie and Freddie was from, of course, Bernanke, buying all their MBS and debt (illegally I might add) at prices no one else would pay.  Bernanke single handedly kept Fannie and Freddie in business - without his bid for their MBS, they would have been totally uncompetitive with the FHA and new originations of Fannie/Freddie loans would have dried up.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:42 | 2052218 beachdude
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Mandatory Seppuku... or is that a contradiction in terms? Did anyone hear the Ann Barnhart interview on the Peter Schiff show a couple of weeks ago where she recommended capital punishment for Corzine?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:12 | 2052562 you enjoy myself
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these departures, along with the December nomination of a former social-engineering HUD official to head the FHA, does indeed mean some major nonsense with mortgage refinancing is about to go down.  Obama is clearing the runways for an election year giveaway - Congress can't do anything to stop it, but halfway responsible Fannie & Freddie execs could.  Bernanke's white paper will be policy by April.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:29 | 2052616 Dr. Gonzo
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I'm too fucking numb to post a snarky comment.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 21:36 | 2052651 Tsar Pointless
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Hey - it's just another fine example of government being run by business.

I'm sorry - did I get that wrong? Was it supposed to be "just another fine example of government being run like a business"?

Perhaps I'm right on both counts.

Oh BTW - here, in Pittsburgh, the local paper today referred to the Steel City as a "City in Pain". Mostly because, the beloved NFL football franchise (we're mostly not from) Pittsburgh Steelers lost a playoff game this past weekend.

Now don't get me wrong - I don't think Amerikkkans have lost their minds and the ability to keep things in perspective. I know they have.

Unemployment rulez bitchez!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 00:09 | 2053283 Village Idiot
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An old acronym with a new twist... BSNB... Pump, squirt and bail.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 00:09 | 2053284 Village Idiot
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An old acronym with a new twist... BSNB... Pump, squirt and bail.

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